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Post by kevvoi on Apr 2, 2019 16:29:04 GMT -5
My grasp of Portuguese is pretty limited, so I am having trouble finding information on him - Giovanni is 23 years old right?
Also Sofia updated English subtitles for part 65 and uploaded part 66 (currently without subtitles):
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Post by justinate on Apr 2, 2019 20:55:31 GMT -5
Someone has been working out I don't think he's just started working out - he's had those abs for a while now, if you scroll further down his Instagram feed. But yes he is very yummy. Too bad he is rarely shirtless on Malhacao (to say nothing of the good old days when Malhacao used to even have nudity). |
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Post by JOJO on Apr 3, 2019 8:24:27 GMT -5
Someone has been working out I don't think he's just started working out - he's had those abs for a while now, if you scroll further down his Instagram feed. But yes he is very yummy. Too bad he is rarely shirtless on Malhacao (to say nothing of the good old days when Malhacao used to even have nudity). I know, I was just trying to be funny lol And yep, the days of over-sexualized Malhação are definitely over... the show shifted their focus from just love relationships and now are more focused on social discussion and social issues. The show was SUPER controversial when it premiered in the 90s. I was a kid, but I remember being "in love" with the lead actor at the time (I even bought the show's soundtrack just to look at his face at the cover art lol) Are you familiar with the old-days Malhação? Where are you from? |
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Post by JOJO on Apr 3, 2019 8:26:01 GMT -5
My grasp of Portuguese is pretty limited, so I am having trouble finding information on him - Giovanni is 23 years old right? Also Sofia updated English subtitles for part 65 and uploaded part 66 (currently without subtitles): Yep, Giovanni is 23 and Pedro (who plays Michael) is 19 |
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 5, 2019 17:05:29 GMT -5
Sofia uploaded a new part and added subtitles to part 66:
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Apr 7, 2019 15:02:54 GMT -5
The whole sequence with Pérola, Jade and Santiago at the "secret date" was so funny! LOL
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Post by JOJO on Apr 8, 2019 9:49:26 GMT -5
The whole sequence with Pérola, Jade and Santiago at the "secret date" was so funny! LOL I loved those scenes too  |
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Post by justinate on Apr 8, 2019 10:22:20 GMT -5
I know, I was just trying to be funny lol And yep, the days of over-sexualized Malhação are definitely over... the show shifted their focus from just love relationships and now are more focused on social discussion and social issues. The show was SUPER controversial when it premiered in the 90s. I was a kid, but I remember being "in love" with the lead actor at the time (I even bought the show's soundtrack just to look at his face at the cover art lol) Are you familiar with the old-days Malhação? Where are you from? I'm from the UK. I learned of Malhacao because there were these screencaps of a SUPER hot actor from a few seasons ago floating around on the internet. I've noticed that the sexual/nudity content has been toned down over the years (much to my disappointment). I assumed Brazilian society was becoming more conservative/puritanical and the local equivalent of One Million Moms had complained about nudity being shown in a teen soap. It didn't occur to me that they had toned it down because they wanted to be taken seriously as a show that explores social issues. But I suppose it makes sense because over here Hollyoaks is doing the same thing too. It used to be a great soap for eye candy but these days you're lucky if there's even one shirtless scene a month LOL. I don't understand why they think social issues and eye candy can't both co-exist on the same soap. |
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Post by JOJO on Apr 8, 2019 12:26:00 GMT -5
I know, I was just trying to be funny lol And yep, the days of over-sexualized Malhação are definitely over... the show shifted their focus from just love relationships and now are more focused on social discussion and social issues. The show was SUPER controversial when it premiered in the 90s. I was a kid, but I remember being "in love" with the lead actor at the time (I even bought the show's soundtrack just to look at his face at the cover art lol) Are you familiar with the old-days Malhação? Where are you from? I'm from the UK. I learned of Malhacao because there were these screencaps of a SUPER hot actor from a few seasons ago floating around on the internet. I've noticed that the sexual/nudity content has been toned down over the years (much to my disappointment). I assumed Brazilian society was becoming more conservative/puritanical and the local equivalent of One Million Moms had complained about nudity being shown in a teen soap. It didn't occur to me that they had toned it down because they wanted to be taken seriously as a show that explores social issues. But I suppose it makes sense because over here Hollyoaks is doing the same thing too. It used to be a great soap for eye candy but these days you're lucky if there's even one shirtless scene a month LOL. I don't understand why they think social issues and eye candy can't both co-exist on the same soap. That's a good question. I defintiely think that they want the show to be taken seriously (which was NOT the case at all in the past). For a long time, Malhação was written and produced by the same people and featured more sex and (partial) nudity. Then, they decided that each season would have a different creative team, and that's when they shifted from all the sexy stuff and started taking a more serious approach, tackling more socially conscious storylines. Of course that they still do all the soapy drama, but I feel like they went to a more "didactic" path (especially since the show started attracting a much younger audience). No wonder they only now started adding LGBTQ storylines/characters as well as more cast members of color (which is great for representation). I mean, last season got a International Emmy nomination, so I guess it's working for them in the "credibility" department LOL |
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 9, 2019 17:17:25 GMT -5
Part 67 now has English subtitles and Sofia uploaded part 68 (currently without subtitles):
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 15, 2019 17:40:26 GMT -5
Sophia uploaded English subtitles for part 68 and a new clip (without subtitles):
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Apr 16, 2019 8:21:30 GMT -5
Santi looks great on those white pants... wish he could wear them more often LOL
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Post by justinate on Apr 16, 2019 11:12:20 GMT -5
Santi looks great on those white pants... wish he could wear them more often LOL I don't know, it covers too much of him - why didn't he get a scene on the beach with the other teens in nothing but Speedos?  |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on Apr 16, 2019 11:56:29 GMT -5
Santi looks great on those white pants... wish he could wear them more often LOL I don't know, it covers too much of him - why didn't he get a scene on the beach with the other teens in nothing but Speedos?  |
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 18, 2019 18:26:23 GMT -5
Part 69 now has English subtitles and Sophia uploaded part 70 (without subtitles):
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 23, 2019 6:19:11 GMT -5
Part 70 has English subtitles. Sophia also uploaded a new part (without subtitles):
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 29, 2019 17:35:14 GMT -5
Part 71 now has English subtitles and Sophia uploaded part 72 (without subs):
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Post by boz-ruh on May 7, 2019 14:47:47 GMT -5
Is the show gonna end soon? I really like them. I hope we can watch more of this love story.
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on May 7, 2019 18:58:54 GMT -5
Is the show gonna end soon? I really like them. I hope we can watch more of this love story. This season has already finished on TV. I think there’s still a couple of videos for Sophia BP to upload |
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Post by HQ75 on May 8, 2019 22:53:06 GMT -5
Why do they never kiss or hold hands or act like the other couples who are always all over each other physically? I've never seen such repressed gay teenaged boys. The each hug and kiss the girls in their life more than they do each other.
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Post by justinate on May 9, 2019 11:20:24 GMT -5
Why do they never kiss or hold hands or act like the other couples who are always all over each other physically? I've never seen such repressed gay teenaged boys. The each hug and kiss the girls in their life more than they do each other. Yes it seems like there was exactly ONE kiss in the whole storyline - and even that was brief and partially obscured. There was a cute scene where Santi was seated and leaning into Michael that I found quite intimate, but apart from that - nothing. It doesn't really fill one with hope for the new season where a gay character is supposed to be one of the principal protagonists. I know Brazil is in the grip of a very homophobic administration - maybe that has something to do with it? |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on May 9, 2019 15:21:55 GMT -5
Why do they never kiss or hold hands or act like the other couples who are always all over each other physically? I've never seen such repressed gay teenaged boys. The each hug and kiss the girls in their life more than they do each other. Yes it seems like there was exactly ONE kiss in the whole storyline - and even that was brief and partially obscured. There was a cute scene where Santi was seated and leaning into Michael that I found quite intimate, but apart from that - nothing. It doesn't really fill one with hope for the new season where a gay character is supposed to be one of the principal protagonists. I know Brazil is in the grip of a very homophobic administration - maybe that has something to do with it? I feel like showing "physical contact" is the last barrier in LGBTQ representation on Brazilian TV (specially on a show that skews so young like Malhação). It seems like the general (conservative) public are getting more and more comfortable with gay characters on their telenovelas, but scenes with more physical contact still divide A LOT of Brazilians and I feel like TV networks are taking their time with this. Having said that, I was actually very surprised they showed a kiss at all (even more surprised that we didn't have to wait until the end of the season to see it). Even though they are not really all over each other, I actually think they had a lot of little scenes where a subtle kiss on the face or hug helped pushing the limits on this matter. This storyline/season has broken so many taboos for Malhação and Brazilian teen shows in general, that I'm actually very confident about the future... This new season is starting with two great gay characters (one of them being heavily featured) and, even though I'm unsure about how they'll handle intimacy between them, we're definitely heading in the right direction. |
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Post by justinate on May 10, 2019 8:08:34 GMT -5
I feel like showing "physical contact" is the last barrier in LGBTQ representation on Brazilian TV (specially on a show that skews so young like Malhação). It seems like the general (conservative) public are getting more and more comfortable with gay characters on their telenovelas, but scenes with more physical contact still divide A LOT of Brazilians and I feel like TV networks are taking their time with this. Having said that, I was actually very surprised they showed a kiss at all (even more surprised that we didn't have to wait until the end of the season to see it). Even though they are not really all over each other, I actually think they had a lot of little scenes where a subtle kiss on the face or hug helped pushing the limits on this matter. This storyline/season has broken so many taboos for Malhação and Brazilian teen shows in general, that I'm actually very confident about the future... This new season is starting with two great gay characters (one of them being heavily featured) and, even though I'm unsure about how they'll handle intimacy between them, we're definitely heading in the right direction. Let's hope you're right and we'll see some progression on the new season; there's been too much disappointment - and quite frankly, in many cases, regression - when it comes to gay male representation on TV. I'm curious about what you said about gay characters on Brazilian telenovelas - I haven't see any threads started for them? I was under the impression they were all in Spanish-speaking Latin America. |
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Post by TheGuyFromBrazil on May 10, 2019 11:26:45 GMT -5
I feel like showing "physical contact" is the last barrier in LGBTQ representation on Brazilian TV (specially on a show that skews so young like Malhação). It seems like the general (conservative) public are getting more and more comfortable with gay characters on their telenovelas, but scenes with more physical contact still divide A LOT of Brazilians and I feel like TV networks are taking their time with this. Having said that, I was actually very surprised they showed a kiss at all (even more surprised that we didn't have to wait until the end of the season to see it). Even though they are not really all over each other, I actually think they had a lot of little scenes where a subtle kiss on the face or hug helped pushing the limits on this matter. This storyline/season has broken so many taboos for Malhação and Brazilian teen shows in general, that I'm actually very confident about the future... This new season is starting with two great gay characters (one of them being heavily featured) and, even though I'm unsure about how they'll handle intimacy between them, we're definitely heading in the right direction. Let's hope you're right and we'll see some progression on the new season; there's been too much disappointment - and quite frankly, in many cases, regression - when it comes to gay male representation on TV. I'm curious about what you said about gay characters on Brazilian telenovelas - I haven't see any threads started for them? I was under the impression they were all in Spanish-speaking Latin America. The biggest problem about starting threads on Brazilian novelas here is that Rede Globo (the top network here, which produces all the big telenovelas) has a EXTREMELY strict stance on copyright. They have their own streaming service and it's really hard to find their shows anywhere else on the internet cause they block everything. I posted about Malhação because I found someone posting on Vimeo, otherwise I would not have posted. There's a new telenovela that's starting soon called "A Dona do Pedaço" that will feature a gay couple with actors Caio Castro and Malvino Salvador.
Answering your question, Brazil has had many gay characters/storylines over the years. I found this article from 2015 (a bit out of date, but still interesting) that points out that in 43 years (1970-2013) of producing telenovelas, Rede Globo has had 62 telenovelas featuring LGBT characters: Gays - 76 characters
Lesbians - 24 characters
Bissexuals - 16 characters (13 of them being men)
Transgenderl - 9 characters With no specific sexuality - 1 character
1970s - 6 telenovelas
1980s - 11 telenovelas
1990s - 13 telenovelas
2000s - 22 telenovelas
2010 to 2013 - 9 telenovelas
From my experience, the first gay storyline I remember was in the 90s, when they had a interracial couple in "A Próxima Vitima" ("The Next Victim"). That telenovela was extremely popular and the storyline caused a lot of commotion... I was a young kid back them. On the 2000s we had a lot of gay characters that were prominent but sort of "asexual", which was quite frustrating. Still, we still had some couples like in "Paraiso Tropical" (2008), "Páginas da Vida" (2006), "Mulheres Apaixonadas" (2003) and "As Filhas da Mãe" (2001). The big gay storyline of that decade was Junior & Zeca in "America" (2005)... that was a major storyline and the first time they got the public rooting for a gay couple. As a teen, it had a HUGE impact on me.
The 2010s saw a HUGE increase in LGBT charaters and couples on telenovelas. It was also only this decade that gay couples on telenovelas started getting more "intimate" scenes like kisses or sex. Some of the most successful gay couples include:
Thales and Julinho (so cute!) in "Ti-Ti-Ti" (2010) Hugo and Eduardo in "Insensato Coração" (2011)
Felix-Niko-Erom (a gay triangle lol) in "Amor à Vida" (2013) Claudio and Leo in "Imperio" (2014)
Ivan and Sergio in "Babilonia" (2015) André and Tolentino in "Liberdade Liberdade" (2016) Otavio and Luccino in "Orgulho e Paixão" (2018) Malhação was the last taboo for gay characters on Brazilian telenovelas. As the big 'outcry' over LGBT representation from conservatives in Brazil have always been that "telenovelas are turning kids gay", Globo was always very reticent in adding gay characters on the show that had a huge tween, teen and even kids following. They did some little experiences with small characters over the years, but only last year with more prominent regular characters. |
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Post by justinate on May 12, 2019 11:25:13 GMT -5
The biggest problem about starting threads on Brazilian novelas here is that Rede Globo (the top network here, which produces all the big telenovelas) has a EXTREMELY strict stance on copyright. They have their own streaming service and it's really hard to find their shows anywhere else on the internet cause they block everything. I posted about Malhação because I found someone posting on Vimeo, otherwise I would not have posted. There's a new telenovela that's starting soon called "A Dona do Pedaço" that will feature a gay couple with actors Caio Castro and Malvino Salvador. Malhação was the last taboo for gay characters on Brazilian telenovelas. As the big 'outcry' over LGBT representation from conservatives in Brazil have always been that "telenovelas are turning kids gay", Globo was always very reticent in adding gay characters on the show that had a huge tween, teen and even kids following. They did some little experiences with small characters over the years, but only last year with more prominent regular characters. Thanks for the recap, I hadn't realized there were so many LGBT characters in Brazilian telenovelas over the years. Of the ones you listed, I immediately recognized the Junior/Zeca storyline - and that only for the wrong reason, the international outcry it generated when they censored the couple's only kiss which IIRC came at the culmination of their storyline. I don't think Globo was so strict with their copyright back then, because I remember following the storyline on YT and being massively disappointed when their kiss was cut. (I also fell in love with Bruno Gagliasso, who I found breathtakingly beautiful.) I seem to have missed other stories over the intervening years. I think Globo must have started clamping down on copyright around the time Imperio was on air. I remember a character played by Romulo Arantes Neto trying to seduce Claudio on Imperio with a striptease outside his window but it was clear Romulo's character was playing him, which pissed me off, and then I never found another Imperio clip on YT. I certainly did not know Claudio eventually found love with Klebber Toledo, a more than adequate substitute! (Klebber's current storyline on Verão 90 as a male stripper is a role he was born for!) Insensato Coração was also on my radar but for Jonatas Faro who spent a lot of time in Speedos or briefs - I thought he was the bee's knees. (He pinged my gaydar so hard.) The gay storyline seems to have not merited any clips on YT. Now that you mention the remaining titles, they do ring a bell (especially the last two) but I assumed, in the absence of clips, that they were insubstantial storylines and/or offensive portrayals which is why they never found international traction. Viewers outside Brazil can view some clips of the novelas on the official Globo site (that's how I'm following the stripper storyline on Verão 90) but not the full episodes. Hopefully the upcoming gay storyline with Caio Castro will feature to some extent on there. I find it ironic that Malhação steered clear of gay characters/storylines back when they used to be more sexually-forward and incorporate nudity, but are now becoming gay-inclusive at a time when, across the board, Brazilian novelas are becoming a lot less sexually explicit. Conservatives would consider a fully-clothed gay couple holding hands explicit but not a male stripper who actually strips naked - yet today it's the former that makes it into the novelas while the strippers (oh so frustratingly) retain their modesty. I mean, I definitely remember Amor a vida, not for the gays but for Caio Castro's nude scenes but Klebber is never shown naked on Verão despite playing a stripper, LOL! |
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