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Post by mizuryuu on Mar 13, 2019 23:10:02 GMT -5
New clip from Skam Espana's Lucas; from his youtube channel: Please note there are no active moderators for this board right now (Mark occasionally ducks his head in - especially for the Dutch shows, but otherwise it has been about 8 months since Zathras posted) - so no one is going to be kicked out. That said, I think the conversation has gone well off track and it would be better to focus on the specific storylines instead. This is getting me more and more worried that they are going to be completely skipping Espana Lucas' season. At this point, they have already went through half the story threads from Lucas' storyline, I'm not even sure there is enough plot left to fill a season. Of course, they can go on a new tangent, but at that point, I can easily see them use the new plot with a different character instead, since Lucas' character has already been explored. After all, they are already replacing the Noora season with Chris.
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Post by mitarashi on Mar 14, 2019 2:23:46 GMT -5
I’m also worried about Lucas not having his own season, but Skam España made the banners for Cris(girl Chris), Nora(Noora), Lucas(Isak) and Amira(Sana) for their site in that order, so fans are speculating that that’s also the order of the season. They might explore more about Lucas’ relationship with his parents and Spanish Even’s mental illness.
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Post by londondave on Mar 14, 2019 5:42:12 GMT -5
Kellerbrady, meanwhile in New Zealand the trannies have managed to get real lesbians banned from Auckland Pride! If anyone doubts that trannies are both examples of mental illness made material and an expression of naked male power, here is the ultimate example! "The Lesbian Rights Alliance Aotearoa has been banned from Wellington Pride celebrations this weekend. That's right, lesbians banned from Pride 🤣🚫♀️🚫🧙🏼♀️ We've put up a blog post talking about it: lesbian-rights-nz.org/2019/03/14/getting-the-l-out-of-the-park/"We are far from the only lesbian feminists excluded from queer events and politics. Last year, lesbians were excluded from the Dyke March in the name of inclusivity in Canada, Argentinian lesbians put out a communiqué discussing lesbian exclusion from queer politics, and in the UK lesbian feminists continued to be ‘no-platformed’ and vilified for supporting lesbian rights." Hmmm, how long before trannies get gay men banned from Pride? Already Drag Queens are banned from many Prides because trannies find it offensive! Question: What's the difference between a tranny and drag queen? Answer: A drag queen is fully aware he's playing Dress-Up and isn't a woman!
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Post by mizuryuu on Mar 14, 2019 13:53:31 GMT -5
I’m also worried about Lucas not having his own season, but Skam España made the banners for Cris(girl Chris), Nora(Noora), Lucas(Isak) and Amira(Sana) for their site in that order, so fans are speculating that that’s also the order of the season. They might explore more about Lucas’ relationship with his parents and Spanish Even’s mental illness. This is the trailer for Espana Chris' season. It is fairly clear that it is inspired by Isak's teaser video I guess we will see if they give the mental illness storyline to Chris' love interest. If they do, I doubt they will do the same thing for any love interest they may give Lucas. Which would basically mean Chris = Isak, and Lucas = a new gay character who just happen to be friends with Espana Jorge
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 14, 2019 14:17:36 GMT -5
Well, i didn't watched the episodes of this week, i loved the drama but i was dissapointed in the way they solved everything. I know it's more drama to come so i'll give it another try
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Post by justinate on Mar 15, 2019 22:04:14 GMT -5
This is the trailer for Espana Chris' season. It is fairly clear that it is inspired by Isak's teaser video I guess we will see if they give the mental illness storyline to Chris' love interest. If they do, I doubt they will do the same thing for any love interest they may give Lucas. Which would basically mean Chris = Isak, and Lucas = a new gay character who just happen to be friends with Espana Jorge It seems the Spanish remake has gone down the same path as Skam Austin and Druck (and possibly/most likely NL) in diminishing, if not outright erasing, the gay male experience. Relegating Lucas to the sidelines, while quite literally handing a bi girl his storyline, right down to the visuals of the trailer, is an absolute disgrace. The Spaniards should be ashamed of themselves. Don't bother with the Lucas Youtube channel; if we want to watch webcam-style coming-out stories, Youtube has better stuff with actual gay people documenting their coming-out experiences. What a truly ignoble perversion of the Skam franchise's origins. I honestly cannot convey how disheartening and despicable this is. Gay fans need to demand back the time they wasted watching the early seasons of these remakes, only to be cheated when the time comes for the gay boy to get his own story and screentime - and all you get is a very diluted version or nothing at all! Thank God for Skam France, which proves to be the one ray of light in the horror show that the franchise has turned out to be. (And yes, given what just transpired in the Lucas/Eliot story, that's kind of ironic.)
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Post by mizuryuu on Mar 16, 2019 2:01:49 GMT -5
For Espana, I guess it is possible they give a whole new storyline for Lucas R, but how likely are they going to do two back-to-back LGBT seasons. So if they do a Lucas season, it would probably be S5 at least. But I agree that it is stupid to do his coming out on a youtube channel. Bit too cringy trying to emulate all those coming out videos on youtube. If they really want to go in another direction, they could have started the Espana with him out already.
For Skam Austin, it seems like Tyler is now out now, since he is kissing another guy in the middle of the hallway. So I guess it is pretty clear that Shay is the Isak character then. Still not entirely sure what is the point of Tyler, since if anything, his coming out takes away from Shay's future season.
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Post by justinate on Mar 16, 2019 4:17:19 GMT -5
For Espana, I guess it is possible they give a whole new storyline for Lucas R, but how likely are they going to do two back-to-back LGBT seasons. So if they do a Lucas season, it would probably be S5 at least. But I agree that it is stupid to do his coming out on a youtube channel. Bit too cringy trying to emulate all those coming out videos on youtube. If they really want to go in another direction, they could have started the Espana with him out already. For Skam Austin, it seems like Tyler is now out now, since he is kissing another guy in the middle of the hallway. So I guess it is pretty clear that Shay is the Isak character then. Still not entirely sure what is the point of Tyler, since if anything, his coming out takes away from Shay's future season. I think it's pretty unlikely there will ever be a Lucas-centric season on Skam Espana. They quite literally gave away his storyline to the bi girl and relegated his coming-out to an extremely peripheral and amateurish Youtube vid. Skam Austin is just as bad, lead role given to another bi girl and in this case Tyler doesn't even get a coming-out, not even on some poxy youtube vid. Is this why Julie Andem chose not to translate the show's title into English? Shame by Julie Andem would have been quite prophetic - this remake is literally her shame. At least we can't accuse her of skam-ing (scamming) fans because she was upfront about Isak being replaced by Shay in this version since the beginning of season 1. It let me save time by switching it off once I realized there was no Isak, but in a twisted way that was more honest with the fans than what Spain and Germany are doing - tricking us into watching their shows and misguidedly contributing to their ratings when all we were going to get is some diluted form of the gay male experience.
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Post by overtherainbow on Mar 16, 2019 7:20:34 GMT -5
This is the trailer for Espana Chris' season. It is fairly clear that it is inspired by Isak's teaser video I guess we will see if they give the mental illness storyline to Chris' love interest. If they do, I doubt they will do the same thing for any love interest they may give Lucas. Which would basically mean Chris = Isak, and Lucas = a new gay character who just happen to be friends with Espana Jorge It seems the Spanish remake has gone down the same path as Skam Austin and Druck (and possibly/most likely NL) in diminishing, if not outright erasing, the gay male experience. Relegating Lucas to the sidelines, while quite literally handing a bi girl his storyline, right down to the visuals of the trailer, is an absolute disgrace. The Spaniards should be ashamed of themselves. Don't bother with the Lucas Youtube channel; if we want to watch webcam-style coming-out stories, Youtube has better stuff with actual gay people documenting their coming-out experiences. What a truly ignoble perversion of the Skam franchise's origins. I honestly cannot convey how disheartening and despicable this is. Gay fans need to demand back the time they wasted watching the early seasons of these remakes, only to be cheated when the time comes for the gay boy to get his own story and screentime - and all you get is a very diluted version or nothing at all! Thank God for Skam France, which proves to be the one ray of light in the horror show that the franchise has turned out to be. (And yes, given what just transpired in the Lucas/Eliot story, that's kind of ironic.) PREACH! I completely agree with everything you said. The lesbians have PLENTY of representation already on tv. There is literally a lesbian on all tv shows these days, they all get to kiss and have sex. That is not the case for the gay male characters. They are often sidelined and if they do get a storyline it's often neutered. I'm NOT saying that lesbians don't deserve representation, of course they do. I just want to see the same for gay male characters, which is sorely lacking on tv right now. I want equality, that's it. Skam was one of the few shows that had a good representation of gay male characters. It pisses me off that a gay male character is now replaced with a lesbian. It's offensive. One of the few gay characters on tv right now and he's replaced. How is this in any way ok? Gay men deserve representation too.
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Post by grallonsphere on Mar 16, 2019 11:43:30 GMT -5
If we're to believe the SKAM Tumblerinas, there's hardly any bisex female and lesbian representations to be had... In any case, the feminist vermin infesting western media have a long track record of subverting or perverting established characters (usually males) and/or storylines in order to promote their nihilistic ideology. Which consists, essentially, in the eradication, or at least the invalidation, of any male contribution to society; whether it be from heteros or gays. These recent changes to the SKAM original storyline are perfectly in line with that goal. One of those idiot bitches on Reddit actually proclaimed she was fighting to eliminate genders altogether. Can you get any more delusional?
I don't know how much control Andem still has on her own creation, if any, since technically it's the property of NRK, but presumably, all those changes were approved either by her or NRK. And so, we're left with more females and a gay boy emasculated and turned straight overnight. Bahh!
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 16, 2019 16:20:08 GMT -5
Sorry but what an overreaction. I don't know what they are going to do with the show but frankly the spaniard should be ashamed is the most ridiculous thing that i read in a good while, specially given the fact that Spain is no short of gay teen characters on tv shows (in fact in Spain they are way more common than lesbian teen characters)
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 16, 2019 18:28:30 GMT -5
This thread is supposed to be about discussing the TV show SKAM that is all. General political discussions should be taken to the "Off Topic" thread where you can discuss whatever you want to. Its not fair to the folks who just want to talk about what is actually happening on the show(s) to have to wade through pages of political diatribe and aggressive posturing and language. This is not the place for that and you are actively choosing to ruin an experience for folks by not practicing even the most modest modicum of restraint. The WWW is full of politics discussion boards.
This board has always been a place where folks dig deep about the characters, their motivations, the writing, casting, acting, etc. Ii is a board about fictional gay male characters, not a place for folks to come slag off real life humans or drag the viewers of the show.
You have Twitter, Tumbler, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram et al if you want to engage in random acts of insults about whomever, to whomever. Of, as I suggested, you can go to the "Off Topic' thread on this board to flail against the whoever at your heart's content.
The beauty of this board has always been that its mission is very simple: Come to TGODT to talk about male gay/bi characters on TV, web series, streaming shows. Specifically.
Everything else should be discussed somewhere else.
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Post by grallonsphere on Mar 16, 2019 20:21:37 GMT -5
This thread is supposed to be about discussing the TV show SKAM that is all... This board has always been a place where folks dig deep about the characters, their motivations, the writing, casting, acting, etc. Ii is a board about fictional gay male characters, not a place for folks to come slag off real life humans or drag the viewers of the show... The beauty of this board has always been that its mission is very simple: Come to TGODT to talk about male gay/bi characters on TV, web series, streaming shows. Specifically.
What do you think we've been talking about exactly? In the case of Druck specifically (since I don't follow any of the others besides SKAM Fr), I came here *precisely* to discuss the perversion of one long established character into something he isn't. So this was indeed about 'character, motivations, writing, casting and acting'. However, all these changes aren't happening out of the blue and in a vacuum. There's context surrounding and explaining them, which I judged fitting to elaborate upon. That being said, I'll grant you that I may have been a tad too 'empathic' in my description of the situation.
Finally, when it comes to 'talking about male gay/bi characters', and at the rate things are going, there won't be many of those left to discuss in the SKAM remakes.
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Post by ag on Mar 17, 2019 7:51:13 GMT -5
Would it be possible to make SKAM a sub-board so we can have a video-only thread so people can follow along the videos without having to sift through the transphobic garbage here?
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Post by londondave on Mar 17, 2019 7:54:47 GMT -5
Would it be possible to make SKAM a sub-board so we can have a video-only thread so people can follow along the videos without having to sift through the transphobic garbage here? Ooooo AG, you aren't VIRTUE SIGNALLING ARE YOU? Point of information: I don't fear trannies ('transphobia') I just don't think trannies are real, it's just a fashion whipped up by the internet . Most trannies are straight blokes with mental health issues, so it's odd that gays support them! (If you doubt me, do a google search) You cannot change sex, it's not possible And I would remind you that this board is called THE GAYS OF DAYTIME- and not the trannies of daytime tv. Most trannies are straight blokes with mental health issues,
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Post by justinate on Mar 17, 2019 8:25:32 GMT -5
Sorry but what an overreaction. I don't know what they are going to do with the show but frankly the spaniard should be ashamed is the most ridiculous thing that i read in a good while, specially given the fact that Spain is no short of gay teen characters on tv shows (in fact in Spain they are way more common than lesbian teen characters) My comment was specific to the producers of Skam Espana - which I stand by and don't think was an overreaction in the slightest. They should be ashamed because what they've done in the remake is deeply offensive and deceitful to gay fans of the Skam franchise. Taking the gay boy's story and quite literally handing it to a bi girl - down to the images in the trailer - is deeply offensive because it's treating different segments of the queer community as interchangeable and ultimately negligible. And it's deceitful because gay fans had a reasonable expectation that Lucas would have his own season to tell his story of the gay male experience - if anything, their expectations were raised by the remake having him broach his homosexuality sooner, in season 1 - and promotional materials like the banner on the Skam Espana site still falsely indicate Lucas is a main character on par with the others who are getting their own season, when in fact they intended to relegate him to a lame side-story with a low-budget Youtube channel as the medium. They obviously think it'll keep gay fans happy that Lucas still has some visibility, but it's like throwing scraps to stray dogs. Basically that's how little they think of gay fans. I hope people aren't so starved for gay representation (I don't blame them if they are, because that's how bad the situation is getting with gay male characters and their stories being rapidly erased left, right and center) that they will give this low-quality shtick any views. The general representation of gay teens on Spanish TV is a separate topic and one you are probably better placed to comment on, since I can only go on what is publicized on this board. My assumption is that, if there is notable/meaningful gay representation on Spanish TV, someone would have started a thread for it here. Of those, I can count on one hand the instances where Spanish TV has had gay teens - and it's been no more than one show at any one time. El Cor de la Ciutat was ground-breaking more than a decade ago, then we had Fisica o Quimica (which was excellent until it ended on a sour note with the Bury Your Gays trope), followed by Merli (which side-stepped the gay story until the finale), and now we have Elite (which is on Netflix and not as widely accessible as mainstream broadcast TV).
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Post by justinate on Mar 17, 2019 8:31:56 GMT -5
I don't know how much control Andem still has on her own creation, if any, since technically it's the property of NRK, but presumably, all those changes were approved either by her or NRK. My understanding is that she is directly involved only in Skam Austin and I suspect her decision to erase the gay boy and replace him with a bi girl in Austin is probably what assured the other European remakes that it was okay to diminish/erase the gay character. While what she did was very disheartening, at least she was upfront with the changes - it was apparent within the first few episodes of Austin season 1 that Isak was replaced by Shay, and I could switch off. Whereas what the others are doing is more insidious and deceitful - Espana obviously wanted gay fans to give them the views during season 1 to justify a second season that - surprise, surprise - is not about Lucas but a bi girl! That's why I say shame on them.
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 17, 2019 11:01:14 GMT -5
Would it be possible to make SKAM a sub-board so we can have a video-only thread so people can follow along the videos without having to sift through the transphobic garbage here? Unfortunately building a sub-board is one of the tasks that only a Global Moderator can do.
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 17, 2019 13:37:35 GMT -5
Sorry but what an overreaction. I don't know what they are going to do with the show but frankly the spaniard should be ashamed is the most ridiculous thing that i read in a good while, specially given the fact that Spain is no short of gay teen characters on tv shows (in fact in Spain they are way more common than lesbian teen characters) My comment was specific to the producers of Skam Espana - which I stand by and don't think was an overreaction in the slightest. They should be ashamed because what they've done in the remake is deeply offensive and deceitful to gay fans of the Skam franchise. Taking the gay boy's story and quite literally handing it to a bi girl - down to the images in the trailer - is deeply offensive because it's treating different segments of the queer community as interchangeable and ultimately negligible. And it's deceitful because gay fans had a reasonable expectation that Lucas would have his own season to tell his story of the gay male experience - if anything, their expectations were raised by the remake having him broach his homosexuality sooner, in season 1 - and promotional materials like the banner on the Skam Espana site still falsely indicate Lucas is a main character on par with the others who are getting their own season, when in fact they intended to relegate him to a lame side-story with a low-budget Youtube channel as the medium. They obviously think it'll keep gay fans happy that Lucas still has some visibility, but it's like throwing scraps to stray dogs. Basically that's how little they think of gay fans. I hope people aren't so starved for gay representation (I don't blame them if they are, because that's how bad the situation is getting with gay male characters and their stories being rapidly erased left, right and center) that they will give this low-quality shtick any views. The general representation of gay teens on Spanish TV is a separate topic and one you are probably better placed to comment on, since I can only go on what is publicized on this board. My assumption is that, if there is notable/meaningful gay representation on Spanish TV, someone would have started a thread for it here. Of those, I can count on one hand the instances where Spanish TV has had gay teens - and it's been no more than one show at any one time. El Cor de la Ciutat was ground-breaking more than a decade ago, then we had Fisica o Quimica (which was excellent until it ended on a sour note with the Bury Your Gays trope), followed by Merli (which side-stepped the gay story until the finale), and now we have Elite (which is on Netflix and not as widely accessible as mainstream broadcast TV). Sorry but it's indeed an overreaction because you have no idea what they are going to do next season. One thing is being critic of Skam Austin or Druck because they indeed change the gay storyline and make a different thing but till now there's no reason to think Skam Spain will do the same. The storyline will be different because they changed things from the very beginning, but frankly there's no reason to repeat the same storylines again and again. They can make a season about Lucas anyway. There are a lot more things to deal being gay than a coming out storyline Right now they are in season two, so we don't know what they'll do in the future or even if there will be more seasons
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Post by justinate on Mar 18, 2019 1:08:42 GMT -5
Sorry but it's indeed an overreaction because you have no idea what they are going to do next season. One thing is being critic of Skam Austin or Druck because they indeed change the gay storyline and make a different thing but till now there's no reason to think Skam Spain will do the same. The storyline will be different because they changed things from the very beginning, but frankly there's no reason to repeat the same storylines again and again. They can make a season about Lucas anyway. There are a lot more things to deal being gay than a coming out storyline Right now they are in season two, so we don't know what they'll do in the future or even if there will be more seasons You are entitled to your overly optimistic opinion and, if there was only one indicator to the contrary, I might be inclined to give it credence, but the combination of the following facts give me little confidence in Skam Espana: 1. They have taken the visual imagery of Isak's season and handed it to a bi girl. Substitution doesn't get more blatant than that. 2. This season is focused on one LGBT character, which reduces the chances that season 3 will be about another LGBT character. 3. Lucas has been given a subsidiary Youtube channel where his story is already playing out in a very diluted, less affecting format, which eliminates the need for a separate season focused on him. If you don't care about gay representation, then I can understand why changing up the Skam formula to this extent would appeal to you. You were very critical of Skam France which is doing a FANTASTIC job with its gay-centric season - they didn't make big changes to the story but what they did make has, by and large, improved the story beyond even the Norwegian original. The quality of gay male representation is top-notch and frankly, not likely to be beaten by any other remake, certainly not the disgraceful rubbish Spain is churning out. To me, the quality of gay representation is paramount and I won't accept anything less, nor should any other gay man/ally as far as I'm concerned. Being told gay males are "lesser" is not okay, it's offensive and moreover the way Skam Espana chose to do it is dishonest.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:42:29 GMT -5
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Post by crissy on Mar 18, 2019 14:42:29 GMT -5
Would it be possible to make SKAM a sub-board so we can have a video-only thread so people can follow along the videos without having to sift through the transphobic garbage here? Unfortunately building a sub-board is one of the tasks that only a Global Moderator can do. I assume there are no moderators on TGODT any more..
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Post by londondave on Mar 18, 2019 16:45:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately building a sub-board is one of the tasks that only a Global Moderator can do. I assume there are no moderators on TGODT any more.. See this is the technique these trans and their fans use - abuse you for debating -refuse to engage - refuse to argue - refuse to even read it’s pathetic and I think you’re vacuous silly airheads
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Post by kellerbrady on Mar 18, 2019 17:41:29 GMT -5
r/The_Donald is calling you. You should go there.
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Post by kellerbrady on Mar 18, 2019 17:44:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately building a sub-board is one of the tasks that only a Global Moderator can do. I assume there are no moderators on TGODT any more.. Can't someone make another proboard like the people from the "Boris and Tobias" thread has done? I feel there's a lot of people who want to join the forum and post content but can't because there's no moderator to approve. But this time doing for every gay tv show/soaps.
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Post by londondave on Mar 18, 2019 17:48:17 GMT -5
r/The_Donald is calling you. You should go there. Yes! you’re so Stupid that you don’t realise you’ve proved me right ! Point of information: the opposition to trans male privilege In the uk is by the left wingers like me who oppose men bullying (real) women and Lesbians the tranny project is led by homophobic straight trannies leading useful idiots like you who think you’re being progressive Fucking idiot
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