Skam

[overtherainbow]

I haven't seen the new clip yet but the main theme this season is obviously drugs (and sexuality) . What if Isak and/or Even start using heavier drugs than just weed and one of them overdoses? Most likely Even since he is not a main character?

[overtherainbow]

Just watched the new clip. It's obvious by now that Isak is in love with Even. The slow-mo to that love song said it all, lol. I just wonder if Even feels the same way? Is he even gay? Hmm..

[justinate]

I am so confused by this season. I thought last season they revealed Isak and Eskild were sleeping together, which is how Isak left his distinctive belt behind in the basement of Eskild and Noura's apartment. Is that not the case? Isak is homeless, that's why he was in Eskild's basement, and now living in Noura's former room? (Where is she by the way? And how did Isak end up in her room?)

I strongly suspect Isak will be bisexual or bicurious - same as Even. Given the current trend of identifying as bi as opposed to gay/lesbian, I can't see Skam not pandering to that. Especially considering how quickly they pandered to the manufactured outrage against the promotion of "negative" body images.

On the plus side, I really enjoy the comedy in Sana blackmailing Isak for a tenth of his drugs and joining the cuddle group, LOL!

[lovethetree]

They never revealed That Eskild and Isak was sleeping together just That Isak was the one sleeping in the basement. Noora is in London with William.

I dont think skam will go there with killing one of them, it just doesnt seem like something they would do. We are still just half into episode 2 soooo... alot could happen. I think its way to early to know anything.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 12, 2016 9:51:29 GMT -5 justinate said:

I am so confused by this season. I thought last season they revealed Isak and Eskild were sleeping together, which is how Isak left his distinctive belt behind in the basement of Eskild and Noura's apartment. Is that not the case? Isak is homeless, that's why he was in Eskild's basement, and now living in Noura's former room? (Where is she by the way? And how did Isak end up in her room?)

I strongly suspect Isak will be bisexual or bicurious - same as Even. Given the current trend of identifying as bi as opposed to gay/lesbian, I can't see Skam not pandering to that. Especially considering how quickly they pandered to the manufactured outrage against the promotion of "negative" body images.

On the plus side, I really enjoy the comedy in Sana blackmailing Isak for a tenth of his drugs and joining the cuddle group, LOL!

lovethetree already commented, but yes, apparently he did NOT sleep with Eskild, people assumed that they had slept together because he was "living" with Eskild and Noora in the co-housing. Now it turns out he has issues with his parents and that's why he's living there. The issues might be connected to his sexuality, his mother seemed very conservative Christian.

The whole body issue thing was blown entirely out of proportions. It really wasn't that big of a deal. They had one or two news articles about it, that's it. NRK even defended the promo, so I don't see the point in mentioning it again. Besides.. if they were pandering wouldn't Even be more curvy? He is very skinny, so it doesn't look like they're giving into that body pressure. Isak knows what he likes, he's into fit boys, it's fine.

As for them being bisexual... I could see Even being bisexual (his comment about hot Sarah Palin and Captain America and Putin kissing indicated that), but Isak?! I don't know. I just don't get that feeling at all about him. I think Isak is going to end up gay tbh. It's the whole thing about trying to come across as straight, he overcompensates, he wouldn't have done that if he was bi. And also.. he did get a bj from Emma at that party last week, but it didn't seem like he enjoyed it very much. That leads me towards Isak being gay. Now I'm not saying he won't hook up with Emma or some other girl, he might. It's all part of the coming out process and also a cover so his buddies won't suspect. All of this is obviously pure speculation on my part though. We won't know for sure until it plays out on screen.

[kevvoi]

Sorry I missed this one yesterday:



and a new clip courtesy of Isak&Even Skam:

[overtherainbow]

Isak's got it bad. I just hope Even feels the same way.

[mizuryuu]

I am not liking all the Romeo and Juliet references, since that support the theory that this will all end in tragedy.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 14, 2016 4:44:56 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

I am not liking all the Romeo and Juliet references, since that support the theory that this will all end in tragedy.

I don't either. I'm worried to say the least

There is a new chat on the skam.p3.no website. Emma (or Maria, her friend) says it's cool that they'll be at her party on Friday (today) then she asks if he and his friends are single. He says yes. She is clearly still interested in him. She can't take a hint because it's obvious that Isak is not interested in her. I'm afraid he'll hook up with her at tonight's party because he's closeted and it's what straight people do. He wants Even though, not Emma. I just hope we will soon get some sort of confirmation that Even is gay (or bi) and that he likes Isak too. I really don't want to see him string him along. I want them to get together.

[overtherainbow]

I am crushed. Was it realistic? Yes. Was it heartbreaking? Yes. Is it what I wanted to see? NO. Why can't we have a gay love story?! Why can't we have a romantic story just like Noora and William last season?! This season feels like a PSA and that's what I have a problem with. It's done extremely well, don't get me wrong. I also know this would end in tragedy with all the Romeo + Juliet clips. But I'm still so incredibly disappointed. What I'm getting is not what I wanted. I understand that it's important to tell Isak's story, his coming out. But it's just too depressing for me. I was hoping for a happy ending, but it's clear Isak might not get that. This season will be about Isak coming to terms with who he is, which is fine. I wanted him to find love too though.

[lovethetree]

there is atleast 8 episodes left of the season so im still optimistic.

[kevvoi]

New clip courtesy of Isak&Even Skam:

[overtherainbow]

Oct 14, 2016 12:21:31 GMT -5 lovethetree said:

there is atleast 8 episodes left of the season so im still optimistic.

What if Even is bisexual? Maybe I'm overanalyzing again but I thought he was flirting with Isak too, it wasn't just one sided? What if likes Isak but he still has a girlfriend? So maybe bisexual? Or am I just grasping at straws now? I'm just so disappointed after the last clip so I don't know what to think.

[Zathras]

So I haven't really been watching this one. Was that Even that Isak was hanging out with for most of that last clip? Isak really seems to have a crush on him.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 14, 2016 19:31:28 GMT -5 Zathras said:

So I haven't really been watching this one. Was that Even that Isak was hanging out with for most of that last clip? Isak really seems to have a crush on him.

Yeah that was Even. Isak has a very obvious crush on him. Until now it just hasn't been obvious if he feels the same way for Isak, or if he's even bi or gay. He introduced his gf at the end of the clip. I think we're supposed to assume he's straight, and maybe he is. I stil think there is a small chance he might be bisexual though.

[kevvoi]

New clip courtesy of Isak&Even Skam:

[mizuryuu]

I'm kinda hoping Even would be straight now. At least we will hopefully avoid the whole Romeo+Juliet ending where one or both of them die, the cliche ending for gay storylines. This would just be a story of a gay kid having a one sided crush, which would be pretty novel and unexplored in television. After all, when was the last show that had a gay character crushing on someone who don't end up being gay, bi, or that character-sexual. Probably not as satisfactory for us, but it would be an interesting approach, especially if they end the season off where he actually meet someone who is gay.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 15, 2016 16:22:35 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

I'm kinda hoping Even would be straight now. At least we will hopefully avoid the whole Romeo+Juliet ending where one or both of them die, the cliche ending for gay storylines. This would just be a story of a gay kid having a one sided crush, which would be pretty novel and unexplored in television. After all, when was the last show that had a gay character crushing on someone who don't end up being gay, bi, or that character-sexual. Probably not as satisfactory for us, but it would be an interesting approach, especially if they end the season off where he actually meet someone who is gay.

I completely disagree. If it's just a story about someone having a one sided crush then that's not good enough. They are basically saying that all gay kids are doomed to be forever miserable and alone. We have seen enough coming out stories. We need to see more gay relationships on tv. That's why it was so incredibly important of this show to actually have Isak experiment with other guys, to fall in love, and for it to be mutual. We're not getting that. Instead we get to see a gay kid being alone and sad. How is this a good portrayal?

[justinate]

Oct 15, 2016 16:22:35 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

I'm kinda hoping Even would be straight now. At least we will hopefully avoid the whole Romeo+Juliet ending where one or both of them die, the cliche ending for gay storylines. This would just be a story of a gay kid having a one sided crush, which would be pretty novel and unexplored in television. After all, when was the last show that had a gay character crushing on someone who don't end up being gay, bi, or that character-sexual. Probably not as satisfactory for us, but it would be an interesting approach, especially if they end the season off where he actually meet someone who is gay.

I have to disagree too, but for a different reason. I don't think the one-sided crush of a gay guy on a straight one is even remotely novel and never explored on TV before. (There is a story going on right now, as a matter of fact, on New Zealand's Shortland Street.) If anything these stories are a throwback to yesteryear when the straight protagonist would learn about the gay sidekick's crush on him and be depicted as the picture of benevolence for tolerating the gay guy's continued presence in his life even though he is 100% hetero. I hope they will cobble together something better than an unrequited crush in the remaining episodes, but I can't say I have a lot of confidence after seeing how the show has been negatively impacted by the utterly ridiculous outcry about shirtless guys.

Just consider: The opening episode last season had Eskild receiving a blowjob from another guy and he was shown naked from behind. This season also opened with a blowjob but Isak remained fully clothed (Emma even kissed his body over his clothes). And subsequent scenes showed Isak fully clothed in bed. I can't see the show depicting him with another boy in a sexual situation (like they did with season 1 and 2's protagonists), since that would inevitably require the boys' shirts to come off. They have already set it up by showing Isak's dismay when the guys on Grindr started hitting him up for sex - I suspect he is going to be another old stereotype: the asexual gay teen. If he gets a boyfriend they will hold hands and kiss and promise to wait till they're 30 to have sex.

[overtherainbow]

Oct 16, 2016 9:42:56 GMT -5 justinate said:

Oct 15, 2016 16:22:35 GMT -5 mizuryuu said:

I'm kinda hoping Even would be straight now. At least we will hopefully avoid the whole Romeo+Juliet ending where one or both of them die, the cliche ending for gay storylines. This would just be a story of a gay kid having a one sided crush, which would be pretty novel and unexplored in television. After all, when was the last show that had a gay character crushing on someone who don't end up being gay, bi, or that character-sexual. Probably not as satisfactory for us, but it would be an interesting approach, especially if they end the season off where he actually meet someone who is gay.

I have to disagree too, but for a different reason. I don't think the one-sided crush of a gay guy on a straight one is even remotely novel and never explored on TV before. (There is a story going on right now, as a matter of fact, on New Zealand's Shortland Street.) If anything these stories are a throwback to yesteryear when the straight protagonist would learn about the gay sidekick's crush on him and be depicted as the picture of benevolence for tolerating the gay guy's continued presence in his life even though he is 100% hetero. I hope they will cobble together something better than an unrequited crush in the remaining episodes, but I can't say I have a lot of confidence after seeing how the show has been negatively impacted by the utterly ridiculous outcry about shirtless guys.

Just consider: The opening episode last season had Eskild receiving a blowjob from another guy and he was shown naked from behind. This season also opened with a blowjob but Isak remained fully clothed (Emma even kissed his body over his clothes). And subsequent scenes showed Isak fully clothed in bed. I can't see the show depicting him with another boy in a sexual situation (like they did with season 1 and 2's protagonists), since that would inevitably require the boys' shirts to come off. They have already set it up by showing Isak's dismay when the guys on Grindr started hitting him up for sex - I suspect he is going to be another old stereotype: the asexual gay teen. If he gets a boyfriend they will hold hands and kiss and promise to wait till they're 30 to have sex.

Sadly I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. I really expected more from this show, because like you said, Eskild was getting a bj last season while being naked. It does seem a lot tamer this season, for some unexplicable reason. I too am afraid they will have the stereotypical asexual gay teen with a crush on a straight guy that won't lead anywhere, but I hope I'm wrong.

[overtherainbow]

I actually wonder if Even was meant to be Isak's bf but they changed it last minute? Because that's how it feels like to me.

[mizuryuu]

Well, it look like we have a scene with Isak in bed without his shirt

[justinate]

In terms of skin, this is at least a step forward - or rather, bringing us back to where we were originally, since the first 2 episodes of this season had regressed. I am still of the opinion that the writers toned down those episodes out of deference to the activists because, although the network had defended the trailer, my suspicion is that they quietly instructed the writers not to give the activists any more reason to whine. The continued de-sexualisation of Isak points in that direction. Can anyone honestly say that this season bears any resemblance to the story hints of the trailer?

That leads us to the unfortunate turn of events in this latest scene, which is a regression in terms of depicting homosexuality on TV. Despite Isak living on his own, away from his bigoted mother and together with an openly gay friend, he still feels the need to pretend he is straight and try it on with a girl. We will probably waste several episodes of Isak dating Emma until he cannot take it anymore. Then Emma - whom the show seems to be setting up as a bunny boiler - will be angry with him for lying to her (probably so will Isak's friends) and another few episodes will focus on her. And by the end Isak will acknowledge his homosexuality but not have a boyfriend, and we will end with Emma as the principal character of season 4, where she will receive the season 1 & 2 treatment of falling in love and having sex with her boyfriend.

[kevvoi]

Isak&Even Skam also posted a bonus clip that shows Emma and Isak meeting:

[kevvoi]

And another new clip courtesy of Isak&Even Skam: