Salatut elämät - General Discussion

[daleeryohm]

Doesn't really matter though. They'll just bring up the fact that it's been considered to be the case that Lari slept with Elias without having made a clean break from Kalle first, and there's the little thing about Lari having impregnated Kalle's sister. So its not like Lari has any moral high ground.

They've thrown problem after problem at these two, and they still always end up reconciling so this show can make a point of humiliating Elias, so what's changed. Nothing. I'm really not expecting this to result in a triangle shift, because worse has happened quite frankly.

I didn't even get my hopes up for a second when I had started reading the spoilers and saw he goes on a blind date. And good thing.

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[Zathras]

So Sanni did lie. I'm almost surprised Kalle told Tale what he did. He feels bad (as he should) but often these things get dragged out.

Who was that woman at the end, though?

Mar 11, 2016 9:00:17 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

Doesn't really matter though. They'll just bring up the fact that it's been considered to be the case that Lari slept with Elias without having made a clean break from Kalle first, and there's the little thing about Lari having impregnated Kalle's sister. So its not like Lari has any moral high ground.

Yep, they will bring up Lari cheating on Kalle, I'm sure. Lari definitely doesn't have any moral "high ground", but that never stops soap characters from trying to claim they do. If it ends up being an impetus to break them up, it would serve its purpose, though.

They've thrown problem after problem at these two, and they still always end up reconciling so this show can make a point of humiliating Elias, so what's changed. Nothing. I'm really not expecting this to result in a triangle shift, because worse has happened quite frankly.

Yep, they have indeed thrown lots of crap at Lari and Kalle. Those events weren't done for the purpose of "humiliating" Elias, though, IMO.

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Mar 11, 2016 20:16:32 GMT -5 Zathras said:

So Sanni did lie. I'm almost surprised Kalle told Tale what he did. He feels bad (as he should) but often these things get dragged out.

Who was that woman at the end, though?

She is Ulla. She is Talle's grandmother. He lives with her.

As fo Sanni, Kalle put her in an impossible position. She promised Kalle she wouldn't tell anyone and he's her brother and she loves him and still feels guilty about keeping Iija's paternity a secret so it is understandable that she wouldn't want to betray Kalle's confidence. She's also very young and I don't think she feels very secure in her relationship with her family.

This is all on Kalle. He had the hookup, he lied about it, he allowed Sanni to lie for him. He did the right thing telling Talle but even though Talle and Lari are not best friends it's still an unfair secret to tell Talle and ask him to keep from Lari. It just brings more people into Kalle's lie.

Lari and Kalle are always keeping secrets from each other and lying to each other and they have since the beginning of their relationship. Kalle doesn't trust Lari (obviously with good reason) but you can't base a relationship on secrets, lies and mistrust.

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Mar 11, 2016 9:00:17 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

Doesn't really matter though. They'll just bring up the fact that it's been considered to be the case that Lari slept with Elias without having made a clean break from Kalle first, and there's the little thing about Lari having impregnated Kalle's sister. So its not like Lari has any moral high ground.

They've thrown problem after problem at these two, and they still always end up reconciling so this show can make a point of humiliating Elias, so what's changed. Nothing. I'm really not expecting this to result in a triangle shift, because worse has happened quite frankly.

I didn't even get my hopes up for a second when I had started reading the spoilers and saw he goes on a blind date. And good thing.

I don't see how Elias has been humiliated. It's not humiliating to have unrequited feelings. There is no shame in that. Elias has conducted himself with respect and kindness towards both Lari and Kalle. He has nothing to feel humiliated about.

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[LadyArmand]

At this point I think Kalle is an alcoholic. He drinks alone, he drinks when he's hurt or depressed and he drinks until he gets blackout drunk. He finds any and every excuse to drink.

[Zathras]

Yeah, I've begun to wonder about Kalle's drinking, too. It's seemed to get progressively worse and worse.

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Mar 14, 2016 22:46:28 GMT -5 Zathras said:

Yeah, I've begun to wonder about Kalle's drinking, too. It's seemed to get progressively worse and worse.

As doctor he should know better. As it is Lari is not good for him. He need older mature guy.

[justinate]

Wait, you mean to tell me Kalle isn't an established alcoholic? I somehow had the impression that he was an alcoholic who'd managed to beat his addiction but had now relapsed. Though this does make sense why Lari and Kalle's family and friends don't pay more attention to his drinking. If they knew he was prone to alcoholism they wouldn't let him drink.

I'm not sure what to make of the Kalle cheating plot. On the one hand, it does highlight how alcoholics can make terrible decisions while in the thrall of their addiction, but on the other it's a far too easy excuse for Lari to break up with Kalle and reunite with Elias. Maybe they will surprise us by having Lari feel guilty about driving Kalle to drink and decide to stick with him anyway?

Also - we might not have gotten to see Lari naked that time when Kalle walked in on him with the baby, but that shot of him in just his briefs almost made up for it. Damn!

[LadyArmand]

I'm sure on some level Lari will feel (or be made to feel) guilty because of Kalle's drinking. However, as someone who grew up with an alcoholic in my immediate family, no one drives you to drink. There are chemical factors in the brain that make some people more susceptible to addiction than others. Although I'm sure the show and thus Kalle ( and his family) will place all the blame on Lari for Kalle's drinking. And because Lari is a big dumb teenager he will take all of that on himself which will them probably open up the way for him and Elias. And that will be because in all likelihood Elias will be the one to point out that Kalle is a grown ass man responsible for his own decisions.

[daleeryohm]

But who wants a reunion based on that, based on guilt, codependence, and the wreckage of another relationship?

Based on everything but LOVE.

[LadyArmand]

Mar 15, 2016 14:12:34 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

But who wants a reunion based on that, based on guilt, codependence, and the wreckage of another relationship?

Based on everything but LOVE.

I'm not saying I want a reunion like that. Hell, I personally don't want a reunion between Lari and Elias at all. I think Elias can do so much better and deserves so much more than Lari and his shit load of issues. I am simply saying the show could take that route because it is a way to get the two back together. And for some fans of the couple (as I have seen in other fandom s)really don't care how they get back together as long as they get back together.

[daleeryohm]

Oh I know a lot of these fans don't care.

And I wasn't saying that's what you wanted. I know you see things a lot like I do. I was just speaking in general. Or really more like I was talking to these so called fans. How can they say they love a couple when they don't really care about the characters in the relationship and when one of them is reduced to a device for the other character's sake.

[Zathras]

Once again: not everyone watches every show with the same viewpoint. You are certainly free to your viewpoint, but don't presume that viewers that don't see things the way you do "don't care about the characters."

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[LadyArmand]

Raise your hand if you didn't see that coming...

While I wait...

Of course the guy that Elias is going to start dating is the same guy that Kalle in his drunken purple haze had sex with. Of course at some point all of this is going to blow up in Kalle's face (at which time I predict he will get drunk again and do something even dumber), because this is Kalle and the universe is out to screw him over...no lube.

Of course Lari is going to practice his teenage prerogative and be a hypocrite and lash out at Kalle and hell who knows he might even take a shot at blaming Elias, before he starts to lean on him for support because that's what he does, ( being the emotional vampire that he is), giving Elias hope that they can be together again (like the first, second and third time around was so great). That is until once again Lari shoots a hockey puck in Elias' face knocking out all of his teeth. Leaving Elias alone and toothless, gumming after Jesse.

[daleeryohm]

Sounds like a charming romantic comedy, Lady Armand

But poor Elias. He was genuinely excited to meet this guy. He deserves someone great.

[crayran]

Out of all the men that Ellias could meet he goes on a date with Kalle's one night stand

[Zathras]

How very soapy. Yeah, it'll blow up in Kalle's face at some point. Hopefully Jesse and Elias are nice guys for each other. Of course, Miska was nice for Elias, too, and that didn't work out. Meh, I'm not expecting too much development on that front, but the show could still surprise me.

[daleeryohm]

Absolutely not. That ship has sailed.

Jesse's the kind of guy that sleeps with blackout drunk men one night, and goes on blind dates the next. Im still waiting for anyone to have any concern for their health and go get tested.

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[daleeryohm]

I had to pray for strength when Elias put himself beneath Lari as he was at lunch with Ida. This writing literally turns my stomach. Ida is a terrible friend. In my real life, I would be insisting to anyone that I cared about in a similar situation as this, that theyre better off. Its downright disturbing for Elias to be sitting there, acting like he's the dirt under Lari's feet! Does Elias have Battered Wife Syndrome? What the actual f***? He never even cheated on Lari, they were not together when Elias slept with Miska, Lari just guilted him into feeling like he had cheated - and he's still apologizing for it. And when has Lari ever just wanted YOU, to be happy Elias? What sacrifices has he ever made for you?

How the hell can anyone feel like the end justifies the means, when this is how theyre doing it? Setting these 2 to get back together for all the wrong reasons. When is Lari going to ever have to admit how much at fault he is for the way things are? When is Elias ever going to know his worth and stop obsessing? Or at the very least, remember clearly who did what to who.

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Mar 21, 2016 13:31:26 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

I had to pray for strength when Elias put himself beneath Lari as he was at lunch with Ida. This writing literally turns my stomach. Ida is a terrible friend. In my real life, I would be insisting to anyone that I cared about in a similar situation as this, that theyre better off. Its downright disturbing for Elias to be sitting there, acting like he's the dirt under Lari's feet! Does Elias have Battered Wife Syndrome? What the actual f***? He never even cheated on Lari, they were not together when Elias slept with Miska, Lari just guilted him into feeling like he had cheated - and he's still apologizing for it. And when has Lari ever just wanted YOU, to be happy Elias? What sacrifices has he ever made for you?

How the hell can anyone feel like the end justifies the means, when this is how theyre doing it? Setting these 2 to get back together for all the wrong reasons. When is Lari going to ever have to admit how much at fault he is for the way things are? When is Elias ever going to know his worth and stop obsessing? Or at the very least, remember clearly who did what to who.

You are wrong they were not separated when Elias met Miska ,his sleeping with Miska some way of fleeing.

[Zathras]

Oy. Of course Elias and Jesse ended up talking about Lari and Kalle on their date. *rolls eyes*

When Elias later met up with Ida, it bugged me when he said "Who thought this cheating story is apparently nice small talk," as if Jesse shouldn't have told the story. But Elias was the one who asked Jesse to tell him a "juicy" story in the first place.

I don't like seeing Elias apparently hung up on Lari. He was on a date with a (presumably) nice guy. But he didn't focus on that.

Mar 21, 2016 8:04:00 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

Absolutely not. That ship has sailed.

Which part?

Jesse's the kind of guy that sleeps with blackout drunk men one night, and goes on blind dates the next. Im still waiting for anyone to have any concern for their health and go get tested.

Wow. You're acting like Jesse is the worst guy. Except we know almost nothing about him. And, no, a couple of dates tells us very little. I won't jump to conclusions about his motivations, or his personality, or whatever, based on that. It may be a moot point; the way Elias left their date so abruptly I'm not sure Jesse will be back.