Salatut elämät - General Discussion

[dalphine]

I'm not saying that Lari doesn't love Kalle but I think Lari might be afraid to work so close alone side Elias himself because there are still feelings there between Lari and Elias even though Lari might be trying to deny them.

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Feb 13, 2016 17:42:46 GMT -5 crayran said:

We all have insecurities in relationships. I feel Kalle represents a lot more of us then most people are willing to except. Kalle has been hurt and betrayed in the past of coarse he is insecure. But the choice the bottle over pursuing his man is really sad.

There is not reason for Kalle to have taken Lari back. It just makes no sense. They can't just pretend Lari doesn't have a child with Sanni now that everyone knows.

Insecure or not, there are plenty of men in the world who aren't the father of his sister's child and also who haven't hurt him, cheated on him, etc. Kalle doesn't trust Lari and you can't have a relationship with someone you don't truth. It isn't good for Lari to feel like he has to walk on eggshells either.

The whole thing is a hot mess.

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[Zathras]

Cool

[dalphine]

Just a question when does the story continue?

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To answer your question, Dalphine, here is the next clip courtesy of MissFinlandia:

[dalphine]

I wanted Lari and Kalle together when Elias was dating that other guy, but it's not working for me so I want Lari and Elias back together and I'm glad they're working their way back together slowly. Thanks for the video.

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New clip courtesy of MissFinlandia:

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[anthonyl]

Feb 13, 2016 17:42:46 GMT -5 crayran said:

We all have insecurities in relationships. I feel Kalle represents a lot more of us then most people are willing to except. Kalle has been hurt and betrayed in the past of coarse he is insecure. But the choice the bottle over pursuing his man is really sad.

I just think it's funny that folks think Kalle should have no reaction his boyfriend spending time with the guy he cheated with. Anybody would be jealous. It's human. But somehow it makes Kalle a horrible person. Hell, Elias has been walking around jealous of Lari and Kalle for well over a year now. It's kinda sad that Elias continues to moon over a guy who has made it clear over and over in word and deed that he is done. Of course nobody cuts Kalle any slack. LOL..

[LadyArmand]

No I don't cut Kalle any slack. And I'm not going to cut him any slack. If he's that jealous of his lying, cheating, cowardly, boy friend, guess what then maybe he shouldn't have a boy friend. Maybe he should go out and get a man his own age. Maybe he should stop acting like an idiot over a teenage boy who has proven over and over again that he is untrustworthy.

I don't apologize it's my opinion if no one else shares it that's fine. We all have opinions that people are going to disagree with. It's not like I committed a capital offense because I think both Kalle and Elias are stupid for pining over someone who has proven that he thinks about himself first and foremost all the time and that he is an unmitigated coward who will take the easy way out every single chance he gets.

So, anthonyl thanks for the shade, the sun was getting in my eyes.

And speaking from my place in the shade. I still think that Kalle and Elias come off as pathetic becasue they are both tied in knots over a person whose main goal in life is to someday become bar manager.

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff...

[anthonyl]

Dunno why you are taking this personally. Wasn't even referring to your post TBH.

[LadyArmand]

anthonyl you may not have been thinking of my post specifically, however, you were throwing general shade the direction of those of us who don't give any slack to Kalle for his pathetic behavior when it comes to Lari.

I don't take it personally, but I know when shade is being thrown in my general direction and I just want it to be known I don't mind shade.

[daleeryohm]

I think Lari's main goal in life is to be someone's kept man. Because it explains why he's got all that muscle for no damn reason and lives the life of a slacker.

Unfortunately though, there'll always be those desperate enough to give him everything.

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Feb 28, 2016 23:41:08 GMT -5 LadyArmand said:

"So, anthonyl thanks for the shade, the sun was getting in my eyes."

This made me spittake. Y'all are giving me life up in this thread.

I guess I feel similarly about Kalle. I think any character is allowed to feel however they feel but how they behave is a different issue.
You can't control how you feel. You CAN control what you do about it.

Kalle should never have taken Lari back (for various and sundry reasons) but to make the decision to take Lari back then pout and brood and carry on like a tween is just not cute, to me.

Kalle has to much life experience to not understand that Lari is not the end all be all of dating. Kalle knows better. That is the crux for me. I don't expect teenagers to necessarily have all the tools they need to have yet because they are still learning how to be adults and how to have relationships and how to treat people and how they should be treated.

I expect more from someone in their mid to late 30s who holds a very high level professional position. I expect them to have more control over their emotions, more perspective, more perspicacity, more insight, more self awareness. I don't think it's wrong to have different expectations of Kalle than I would of Janne, for instance.

My questions to Kalle would be, "Why are you with Lari if you don't trust him and the only way you can tolerate the fact that he is your nephew's father is to pretend it's not true"?

It would be one thing if Lari reassuring Kalle that he has not interest in Elias actually comforted Kalle or quieted his fears, insecurities, jealousies, but it doesn't. It can't because Lari has not demonstrated that he can be trusted. It is reasonable for Kalle to not trust Lari and therefore it is reasonable to wonder why Kalle continues to date Lari

Elias may have a bucketload of feelings about Lari but he is not acting on them, he is not making them an issue in their working relationship, he is showing self restraint. He is TRYING. Again. Elias can't control how he feels. He has always been in love with Lari and he may be for some time to come until he is not. But he CAN control how he deals with it and since he has been back I've seen him working really hard to be professional and friendly. I don't know what more you could ask of him.

I adore Lari but if I was Kalle or any man really, I would not want to date him until he resolved his paternity issues and could show that he can be trusted.

On another note, very much believe that one of the reasons Kalle is so worried about Elias and Lari is that he lived with them when they were a couple, he experienced their first love, passionate romeo juliet relationship from the ice skating rink accident through to its end and various stops and starts, Kalle had an up close and person view of what Lari and Elias were like as a couple (the good and the bad) and he can't unknow that and part of him feels like he can't compete with that.

That's just my take.

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Feb 29, 2016 12:07:10 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

I think Lari's main goal in life is to be someone's kept man. Because it explains why he's got all that muscle for no damn reason and lives the life of a slacker.

Unfortunately though, there'll always be those desperate enough to give him everything.

Lari's main goal was to be a professional hockey player and homophobic bullies on his team took that away from him, then he was about to start training under Sebastian as a fitness instructor and his homophobic father took that away from him then he was homeless because he was too proud to take help from his friends or let them know he needed help until he worked out a deal with Miska. Then he nearly died which is the only reason he eventually got a place to live. He has been working at Moose since he moved in with Kalle's family and now he's working their and getting more responsibility. He pays his own way.

For most of the time he lived with Kalle and his family Lari was still underage so he couldn't legally live on his own. Now he is 19 plus and works and pays for his living expenses.

Lari had his own apartment and Kalle basically just decided to move in and then TOOK the apartment away from Lari because he was mad that Lari left him.

Lari and Elias are teenagers. Neither of them are slackers. A job is a job. All these teens work (unlike on other shows).

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I give Kalle a little lean way considering how his father turned against him for being gay when he was a teen. So he had things very difficult at a young age like Lari. And what happen to him with his ex, that really traumatized him and set him back a good deal. But I agree he's an older man who should know better by now. Lari is a young man whose still unaware of a lot of things. He's come very far, but he still has a lot to learn. But Kalle shouldn't have restarted things with Lari if he's going to second guess and question everything Lari does. That is not a real relationship and it definitively isn't healthy. Lari and Elias were very important to each other and they still are in a different way now. They were each others first loves and that leaves a strong impact on a person, even if they don't stay with that person romantically in the long run. Lari doesn't have many people in his life and things flow well with Elias. So I can see why he would enjoy spending so much time with Elias, even if he doesn't mean anything by it. And I would hope that Lair would learn by now to be honest with everyone if things with Elias changed from friends to something more.

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[LadyArmand]

I can see what's going to happen right now. How much does anyone want to bet that this guy that Kalle just slept with ends up being someone at some point (after Kalle has lied of course to cover up what happened) ends up being someone Elias is interested in as he tries to put Lari behind him for good.

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Mar 7, 2016 17:18:59 GMT -5 LadyArmand said:

I can see what's going to happen right now. How much does anyone want to bet that this guy that Kalle just slept with ends up being someone at some point (after Kalle has lied of course to cover up what happened) ends up being someone Elias is interested in as he tries to put Lari behind him for good.

That would definitely make it more like my IRL experience in the gay/les community.

[daleeryohm]

That would be par for the course with this writing, and how gross. Why is this guy sleeping with blackout drunk men one night and then going on blind dates the next? He sounds diseased.
And would Elias continue to date someone he finds out is involved in that mess across the hall? Hmm.

Not that it matters. I know its always Murphy's Law with this show, but I still have to shake my head.

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[crayran]

Poor Kalle is his own worse enemy sometimes !!!!

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[Zathras]

So, is she going to lie to Tale in order to save Kalle's ass? I don't think she should, but I wouldn't bet on it.

So Kalle had a drunken ONS with Jesse because he doesn't trust Lari. And now he's hiding it, desperate to stay with Lari. Somehow I'm not surprised. Their relationship seems to be on increasingly shaky ground. It's just a matter of time before Lari learns the truth about Jesse.