Salatut elämät - General Discussion

[Zathras]

Oh, goody, not only is Lari the biological father but now it looks like he won't want to let it go. Sigh. I was hoping the show wouldn't go in this direction.


I get that Elias wants them to all be friends again. It sucks when friends fall out. But I think he's too impatient about it. Tale just got blindsided by some really big news and Elias thinks he should just let it go. The dust has only just begun to settle.

A small part of me is curious what happened with Kristiina and Ismo after Lari's revelations. I really don't like her and she needs to face the consequences of her behavior. On the other hand, I don't really care what happens with her.

[HQ75]

I'm not a fan of Kristina but I get where she's coming from. She should not have handled things the way she did but Sanni and Lari were lying for a long time before she even found out about Ilja's paternity.

From her view, Lari is an teenager dating her nearly 40 year old son who cheated on him when he didn't get to go to India and also got her teenaged daughter pregnant then lied about it.

All of that was not Lari's doing obviously but from a mom's perspective I can see why she's want Lari away from her children (though it's not her call and if Lari is the baby's dad, that's forever).

At the end of the day all Kristina really did was give Lari a choice to leave or she'd tell Kalle about the baby. But Lari should have just told Kalle himself. He didn't have to leave, he could have chosen to call her bluff and stay and face the music. He chose to leave then come back and blow everything up in public. LOL Cuz soap opera

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[Zathras]

Well ... I did not expect Kalle to sit down with Lari. I'm curious what he has to say.

I'm skeptical that Lari will stay away from Ilja as he promised Tale. But I guess we'll see.

I'm not sure who's behavior is worse: Kristiina's or Lari's. She's never approved of him and to an extent I don't blame her for that. In this case she callously manipulated a weak-willed Lari and clearly didn't care that her actions would break her son's heart. Then she lied to Kalle's face to gain his favor so she could console him. To be fair, at first she seemed to care that keeping silent would avoid breaking Kalle's heart and so she did. But then when the prospect of marriage entered the picture, she changed her mind and had the gall to act like it was her decision who Kalle dates or marries. She didn't just tell Kalle what she learned and let Kalle make the decision, she decided to make it for him.

At the same time Lari is incredibly immature. He not only cheated on Kalle (I think they were dating at that time) but fathered a child with Kalle's sister, lied about it for months, and then petulantly blew up the wedding ceremony just to get back at Kristiina for blackmailing him. He absolutely should have told Kalle the truth as soon as he suspected he might be the father. Or, as you say, come clean rather than leave Kalle in the lurch and send a text message saying effectively "I don't love you".

If I were in Kalle's shoes I'm not sure I'd be able to forgive either of them.

Part of me is still waiting for a paternity test to throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing.

[dalphine]

Yes, because his sister told him that she has slept with more men than he has.

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[Zathras]

So Lari clearly wants to get back together with Kalle. I'm not quite sure where Kalle is at. Maybe he's willing to forgive, or maybe he's not there yet, or maybe he's only willing to be friends. I guess we'll find out. I wonder what was so important he missed his meeting with Lari.

Elias' protestations to Ida are a little weak. I don't think I believe that he's over Lari. Not really a surprise.

I wonder where they're going with this. Are they going to try to set up a triangle? Or a series of misunderstandings maybe? Hmm. As long as Kalle doesn't end up with a broken heart again.

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[daleeryohm]

I'm at an utter loss.

Why are we watching Lari get laid right now? Is that AT ALL what should be happening right now? Is this the Twilight Zone? Are all the criminals just going to get loose and society crashes down right now?

If Elias doesn't meet a nice guy at his new job or something, and moves on, I think I might pop a blood vessel. How can anyone enjoy this?

[anthonyl]

I'm enjoying it. I like Kalle and Lari together. I want to see Kalle happy. He deserves it, poor guy.

For me, this story has been long about Elias refusing to let go of Lari. That's what has been playing out, for the most part, on screen. Lari has not been interested in Elias in a very long time and he has repeatedly said 'no' to any attempt to get back together with him. And there were plenty of chances for it. Even when Lari wasn't with Kalle, he still didn't want Elias. Elias is clearly still mooning over Lari. He was not happy to hear about their reunion. There was another chance for a reunion, but again, Lari wasn't interested. He only wanted Kalle back and he got him. That may change, but knowing this show it will take a long time to get there. They're clearly not going to just throw them together. But it's been two years. Maybe it's time to move on.

[Zathras]

Oh, yeah, it's long past time for Elias to move on. And stop pining over Lari.

So I figured Kalle would forgive Lari sooner or later. This didn't take quite as long as I expected. I'd like to see Kalle happy, too. I'm not convinced Lari can make him happy in the long run, but I'm not opposed to watching them try.

[Zathras]

Jan 19, 2016 17:28:22 GMT -5 daleeryohm said:

I'm at an utter loss.

Why are we watching Lari get laid right now? Is that AT ALL what should be happening right now? Is this the Twilight Zone? Are all the criminals just going to get loose and society crashes down right now?

If Elias doesn't meet a nice guy at his new job or something, and moves on, I think I might pop a blood vessel. How can anyone enjoy this?

As I've said on this board many times, everyone watches these shows with different thoughts, desires, expectations, etc. Just because you're not enjoying it doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it. We get it: you hate Lari. Just don't be surprised that other people (myself included) don't hate him. Which means that we don't hate watching his scenes.

[daleeryohm]

I don't need anyone else to hate Lari. I don't need anyone else to validate my opinion. The show does a splendid enough job themselves of that.

Fact is, both Kalle and Elias should move on. I just don't care about Kalle though. And I dont need to pop in here to keep going on about how they keep making Elias pathetic because its satisfying to me, unlike some people. Its not proving anything about his character at this point other than there's a lot of poor writing happening, thats been happening for a long time.

I'll be more than glad to quit again and to leave anyone here to whatever opinions and feelings they have, if it turns out the show is just going to do more of the same and drag it out and string Elias along the entire time, and its looking that way unfortunately, but there's still a chance right now Elias is being set up for a new love interest and some happiness and that Lari's going to have to work for it, so I'm going to give it another couple rounds of spoilers.

Miska DID pop up right before Elias left last time, and I highly doubt it theyre going to reunite Lari and Elias before Elias has dated anyone at all (and after Lari's had more recent bed scenes with other people), so its coming.

[LadyArmand]

I'm one of those people who never liked Lari. And I'm not overly fond of Kelle either. I think a man going this hard for an underemployed/unemployed selfish, dumb over grown man child is pathetic. That a doctor needs to be with someone like Lari with no prospects and little hope of finding any to me says something about how the show views older gay men.

Personally I want Elias to find a man who treats him with respect and completely takes his mind off Lari. I want him to move so far past Lari that he's merely a speck of dust in his rear view mirror. I want him to grow up and realize that your first love doesn't have to be your last love nor is your first love necessarily your best love. I want him to realize that he is worth more than pining after the likes of Lari. I want him to look back and think "what did I ever see in Lari". And while it would be nice to remain friends with an ex, it's not necessary and sometimes it's rather toxic to do so. Sometimes you just have to cut some people completely out of your life. Some people are emotional vampires, they take and take and give nothing back. That to me is a description of Lari. And those people you simply don't need in your life.

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Jan 20, 2016 7:28:27 GMT -5 LadyArmand said:

I'm one of those people who never liked Lari. And I'm not overly fond of Kelle either. I think a man going this hard for an underemployed/unemployed selfish, dumb over grown man child is pathetic. That a doctor needs to be with someone like Lari with no prospects and little hope of finding any to me says something about how the show views older gay men.

Personally I want Elias to find a man who treats him with respect and completely takes his mind off Lari. I want him to move so far past Lari that he's merely a speck of dust in his rear view mirror. I want him to grow up and realize that your first love doesn't have to be your last love nor is your first love necessarily your best love. I want him to realize that he is worth more than pining after the likes of Lari. I want him to look back and think "what did I ever see in Lari". And while it would be nice to remain friends with an ex, it's not necessary and sometimes it's rather toxic to do so. Sometimes you just have to cut some people completely out of your life. Some people are emotional vampires, they take and take and give nothing back. That to me is a description of Lari. And those people you simply don't need in your life.

Well said.
I am actually quite fond of Lari as an individual but why anyone would date him given his track record of behavior with both Elias and Kalle, is beyond me.

He is 18 so I will give him some leeway for being a teenager who has had little to know guidance or opportunity to become and independent person. I think he does have a kind heart but he had his father bossing him around and then he had Kalle bossing him around and the only time he seemed truly happy was with Elias or when he was single.

I think Lari's desire to be with Kalle is more about his father's overbearing behavior disguised as love and Kalle is exactly the same.

Elias is not perfect but he never tried to dictate Lari's life or make decisions for him or humiliate him or undermine his confidence and agency.

While it is true that the heart wants what it wants and Elias was criticized for trying to move on with Miska while still having feelings for Lari I think it is also true that sometimes the best way to get over someone is to get under or on someone else. I'm just sayin...

Lari spent most of Elias' relationship with Miska trying to get to Elias, trying to get Elias back and completely undermining Miska's confidence with regard to Elias so I I don't know why folks act like it was strange for Elias to finally give in and decide to get back with Lari.

What IS strange is Lari turning Elias down (AFTER having sex with him mind you).

There is not one single shred of evidence that Lari loves Kalle. Love is not a decision, it's involuntary. So I know eventually (for good or ill) Lari will be back in Elias' orbit.

I just hope that THIS time when Elias attempts to move on (as he did in the past before Miska) he actually succeeds and let Lari sweat it out for a couple years while he goes back to thinking for himself and not letting his life be run by Kalle and his crazy family.

Lari will always be tied to Sanni because of the baby but he doesn't have to take them all on.

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[daleeryohm]

Hear hear, Lady Armand. "Emotional vampire" is rather spot on.

I dont understand what the fixation is, honestly. Miska was an attractive, standup guy who treated Elias well. And they made him dump him for a guy who is still sleeping with someone else several months later. Its assinine.

Lari's got so much to prove, I honestly dont know how theyre going to manage it. This being a soap, my only guess is they might have Lari take a bullet for Elias now for things to balance out, but Lari's still at the first step, even "realizing" that he "still" has feelings for Elias, and thats not happening anytime soon. They wouldn't have him still sleeping with Kalle, just to have him wake up next week wanting Elias again. No, we're still looking at months and months of this. And when Kalle dumps him again for wanting to be Ilja's father, there's going to be a period of him having to prove that Elias isnt just his 2nd choice.

And perhaps im getting my hopes up that Elias will meet a great new guy, because logic tells me that of course there'll be an expiration date for it and likely some kind of sabotage will be a ticking time bomb on it, and he cant be too perfect or sexy, otherwise Lari will be outmatched (not too hard to do).

I dont understand how it got to this point though. Why destroy such a popular couple by writing it all into such a corner. Anyone still shipping Larias, it cant be because it makes sense anymore, because it doesnt.

[daleeryohm]

Now THIS is the kind of stuff I actually care to see. Elias didnt mention or think about Lari once this clip. He won himself a job by doing something heroic, and he's even qualified for said job. He's miles and miles beyond Lari. He spent time with his father and brother, and his personal story has progressed. I enjoyed this a lot.

Not sure if this boss guy could be interested in him romantically, but maybe. It would cause conflict with his Sebastian, as he and Aki(?) have some bad blood it seems, so maybe they'll go there. I'd prefer he met someone he had more in common with, and he might still later on, but maybe they'll want him dating someone older now like how Lari and Kalle are.

[crayran]

Who is the man with the crutches and why does Ellias father hate him so much?

[anthonyl]

After reading the latest comments it is true that people are seeing what they want to see/are seeing something completely different than other folks. It makes you wonder if we're all watching the same show at times. LOL... Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. It's all very interesting.

[daleeryohm]

Jan 20, 2016 15:03:03 GMT -5 crayran said:

Who is the man with the crutches and why does Ellias father hate him so much?

According to MissFinlandia, Aki is straight with a current love interest, is on crutches from being shot, and has a long history with Elias' family after he was married to Elias' grandmother.

So we can rule him out as the next boyfriend

Still plenty of time for Elias' next boo thang to pop out of somewhere. Maybe he'll have a partner at work or something. I doubt he and Lari will be reuniting this season, so.

[lexmoon]

Jan 20, 2016 15:03:03 GMT -5 crayran said:

Who is the man with the crutches and why does Ellias father hate him so much?

he is Aki and he  was married to Elias Grandmother. She shot him when she found out that he only married her for her money. Then she ran away. that's  why  Elias father hates him.

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Jan 19, 2016 19:57:52 GMT -5 anthonyl said:

I'm enjoying it. I like Kalle and Lari together. I want to see Kalle happy. He deserves it, poor guy.

For me, this story has been long about Elias refusing to let go of Lari. That's what has been playing out, for the most part, on screen. Lari has not been interested in Elias in a very long time and he has repeatedly said 'no' to any attempt to get back together with him. And there were plenty of chances for it. Even when Lari wasn't with Kalle, he still didn't want Elias. Elias is clearly still mooning over Lari. He was not happy to hear about their reunion. There was another chance for a reunion, but again, Lari wasn't interested. He only wanted Kalle back and he got him. That may change, but knowing this show it will take a long time to get there. They're clearly not going to just throw them together. But it's been two years. Maybe it's time to move on.

When I think about it, I have coincidentally tended not to be much fond of couples with significant age differences (for various reasons), and in this show, even if I detect less real evilness in characters than a lot of hurtful mistakes, one part of the pairing from what I've seen could do so much better. Yet surprisingly, Kalle and Lari are the ones I like as a pairing, despite odds being obviously stacked against them from the inside and outside, as it appears to me that it's not in the cards to make it actually durable. I also find a bit to enjoy in the acting from the guy who plays Kalle, a character who seems born to endure from all sides, even when he should know better, lol.

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