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Post by gidi on Oct 26, 2015 10:09:23 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Oct 27, 2015 10:15:38 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Oct 27, 2015 19:56:34 GMT -5
Finally got caught up... Oh, of course Lari eventually accepted the proposal. I fully expected Katariina to interrupt the way she did the first time, which gave Lari room to breathe. Thing is I'm having trouble figuring out if Lari really wants to get married. I kind of doubt it, but he had very little reaction.  Katariina said "you are being unreasonable" to Kalle. No, Kalle is not being unreasonable demanding to know why she hates Lari. She keeps dancing around it. Certainly from Kalle's perspective she looks very bad. I really don't know what she thought she was going to accomplish. Jeez. The sad thing is Kalle is going to be hurt by this when it all comes out. I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy for Lari considering his lies. And, at last Katariina told someone what she thinks she knows. Took her long enough. I still have my doubts that Lari is actually the father, but I guess we'll find out eventually. |
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Post by gidi on Oct 28, 2015 0:50:21 GMT -5
Finally got caught up... Oh, of course Lari eventually accepted the proposal. I fully expected Katariina to interrupt the way she did the first time, which gave Lari room to breathe. Thing is I'm having trouble figuring out if Lari really wants to get married. I kind of doubt it, but he had very little reaction. Katariina said "you are being unreasonable" to Kalle. No, Kalle is not being unreasonable demanding to know why she hates Lari. She keeps dancing around it. Certainly from Kalle's perspective she looks very bad. I really don't know what she thought she was going to accomplish. Jeez. The sad thing is Kalle is going to be hurt by this when it all comes out. I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy for Lari considering his lies. And, at last Katariina told someone what she thinks she knows. Took her long enough. I still have my doubts that Lari is actually the father, but I guess we'll find out eventually. I don\t understand were Laries lies are,Saany asked him to shut down so he can't talk,otherwise I think he waould tell Kalle .I still suspect Lari is not the father .When it come out thetre will be dna test. Katariina don't think clearly she was against Lari from first moment otherwise she would have her suspect of herself .After all she could ask her daughter about it telling what she heard and how she can be sure Larry is thr father? |
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 28, 2015 6:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Oct 28, 2015 19:34:54 GMT -5
Wait. So Kalle and Lari announcing their engagement wasn't enough to get Katariina to confront Lari. It was only when they picked a date? Jeez. I don\t understand were Laries lies are,Saany asked him to shut down so he can't talk,otherwise I think he waould tell Kalle . It's a lie of omission, I guess. He's keeping a pretty big secret from his boyfriend (now fiancee). Once Kalle learns about it, he won't be happy. I'm not at all convinced that Lari would have told Kalle about Ilja, even if he hadn't talked with Sanni first. |
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Post by vesper on Oct 28, 2015 19:57:14 GMT -5
Honestly, Lari is lying more because of himself than because of Sanni imo. I hope Elias is over Lari. I don't want him to come back just to pine over his ex.
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Post by daleeryohm on Oct 28, 2015 22:17:55 GMT -5
I hope Elias will be over him too, but they seem to be making his return all about Lari from the spoilers, so I doubt they would do that unless thats in fact how itll be.
Apparently the characters and the audience are supposed to forget Lari told Elias pointblank that he doesnt love him. Nevermind that Elias shouldnt ever be the one doing the chasing when it comes to him and Lari, not with their history.
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 29, 2015 8:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Oct 30, 2015 12:17:08 GMT -5
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Post by crayran on Oct 30, 2015 13:32:48 GMT -5
I hope Lari continues to listen to Kalle's father he was so wise. Next step would be to tell Kalle the truth and put this past them
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Post by Zathras on Oct 30, 2015 19:27:09 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure why, but Katariina's attitude really bothers me. I get that she wants Kalle to be happy, and doesn't want him to get hurt. I can't fault her for that. But she's being presumptuous to assume that Lari won't make him happy (even if he knew about Ilja). But she's hiding the secret, too, and is instead hurting her son with her erratic behavior. She's marginally better than Lari in that Lari actually did it. But the arrogant way she thinks she still has the moral high ground bugs me. She demands Lari leave but doesn't really have any leverage other than Lari's guilt; if she wants to stay on her kids' good side, and that means not voluntarily telling them all. Today Lari pointed out her duplicitous behavior and I'm glad he did, despite not having much of a leg to stand on himself. But I could see her blurt it out in a fit of rage or angst. Ugh, neither of them looks good in this situation.  I definitely think Lari should tell Kalle the truth. Now more than ever. |
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Post by gidi on Nov 2, 2015 9:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Nov 2, 2015 21:04:43 GMT -5
Sigh. So Lari was going to leave Kalle without saying a word. So predictable. Yet another mistake for Lari, this time because of Katariina. She's quite a piece of work, and her smug attitude still really bugs me. She needs to be taken down a peg or ten. Kalle will be crushed and it's partially her fault, but of course she won't own up to it.
Anyway, Lari took the easy way out again. He doesn't seem to learn. The problem is that the truth will come out eventually anyway (it always does), and Kalle will be hurt yet again.
Poor Kalle's just caught in the middle. He really does deserve someone good.
Now ... how will Elias fit into this situation...
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Post by gidi on Nov 3, 2015 1:47:06 GMT -5
Sigh. So Lari was going to leave Kalle without saying a word. So predictable. Yet another mistake for Lari, this time because of Katariina. She's quite a piece of work, and her smug attitude still really bugs me. She needs to be taken down a peg or ten. Kalle will be crushed and it's partially her fault, but of course she won't own up to it. Anyway, Lari took the easy way out again. He doesn't seem to learn. The problem is that the truth will come out eventually anyway (it always does), and Kalle will be hurt yet again. Poor Kalle's just caught in the middle. He really does deserve someone good. Now ... how will Elias fit into this situation... Good question. Will Lari tell him what happened . Will Kalle will act against his mom so it will return her as bomerang and so to Sanny ... Both responsible for what hapen. the Big question Can Larias get back now or the pat eill prevent it? |
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Post by anthonyl on Nov 3, 2015 8:34:53 GMT -5
I wish that Lari and Elias would realize they are done and over (because they have been for so long) and move on. I mean Lari is ready to marry someone else without a single thought of Elias. This trope of 'you must be with the first boy you kiss forever' is silly.
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Post by gidi on Nov 3, 2015 9:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Nov 3, 2015 9:27:22 GMT -5
I wish that Lari and Elias would realize they are done and over (because they have been for so long) and move on. I mean Lari is ready to marry someone else without a single thought of Elias. This trope of 'you must be with the first boy you kiss forever' is silly. I don't agree with you/ To want to see them together bis not sily at all. |
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Post by daleeryohm on Nov 3, 2015 9:51:42 GMT -5
Its not silly. Its not the first-boy-you-ever-kissed trope. Its the 'first love' trope. They say you never forget your first love and theyre who youre meant to be with.
But believe me, I'd be more than happy for Lari and Elias to be over. The chemistry will always be there, but while I wouldnt say Lari's grown any in maturity or that we know who Elias is now that he's just returned, there's enough distance now to just keep them apart. They havent even been thinking about each other. Elias wants to be with his family, not Lari. His line about having gone to Brussels to forget the past ("And I did."), was delicious to hear. He's not thinking about Lari anymore.
And maybe Lari should get out of town for awhile himself. It did Elias a world of good, and Ilja will be fine. With what money though, I have no idea. I hope he's at the bus station because he can afford a ticket.
And while I fast forward Kalle scenes, I caught the end, and his campy crying made me chuckle.
I had been wishing that Elias wouldnt come back pining for his ex, and Im so relieved and excited. But it does make me wonder now how the show's going to force them back together, because they obviously will somehow. Maybe Lari sees how radiant Elias is now and typically thinks the grass is gonna be greener with him since Lari's life is a mess. But all I see in my head is Elias looking like he dodged a bullet when he finds out about the baby and the engagement.
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Post by Zathras on Nov 3, 2015 20:57:19 GMT -5
Well, it is a trope. I don't think it's silly, but it is a predictable path on a show like this. I don't want Lari and Elias to get back together, but, while I do think it's a definite possibility (eventually), I don't think it's a forgone conclusion.
I think it's far too soon to draw any real conclusions about Elias' state of mind. He said he left the past behind but, knowing him, it's probably temporary. He's made similar claims about moving on in the past only to change his mind quickly. I'll wait to see how it plays out to know whether he really means it this time. His brother dating Marianna is really not going to help.
I'm not sure what Lari is going to do. It looks like he's going to leave, but I'm not sure whether that will happen or not. I did hate him sending a text message saying he can't love Kalle; that was brutal. I really wanted the text message to tell Kalle that the reason he left was Katariina (if nothing else).
Which leads me to two-faced Katariina. I hate what she's doing now. Ismo is right to be suspicious, but he's far too trusting.
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Post by crayran on Nov 3, 2015 23:06:03 GMT -5
Its obvious how much Kalle and Lari loved each other. Granted Lari should have told Kalle everything. I feel in the long run he would have forgiven him.
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Post by daleeryohm on Nov 4, 2015 4:29:29 GMT -5
Its not like Elias has even mentioned Lari though. His return conveyed such a carefree attitude. Its not like he stepped off the train and was itching to go catch a man he never got over.
And Ive realized that really all anyone has to go on is how a lot of people have taken a Petteri interview at its word where he said Larias fans would be happy after he returned. It doesnt really mean anything definitive. It just gets annoying whenever on shows something highly anticipated is happening, there's such a crunch on spoilers. I want to know if its headed in a disappointing direction already so I can keep from getting reinvested. Do they drag out the triangle further? Wouldnt we have heard at least a casting if Elias were getting another love interest? Does Kalle end up suicidal or homicidal? Who knows?
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Post by gidi on Nov 4, 2015 12:07:20 GMT -5
MissFinlandia send special clip :This part concentrates on Elias and is kind of random since you haven't been able to follow Margei (Marianna/Sergei) story. Still I thought it should be included. The main story that concentrates on Elias/Lari/Kalle will continue in upcoming days  |
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Post by justinate on Nov 4, 2015 12:23:39 GMT -5
I know people have a low opinion of the supposed paedophile/predator/momma's boy/spineless/geriatric Kalle but the suicide suggestion is truly beyond the pale. Kalle has survived a lot worse than being dumped on his wedding day - being rejected by his only parent, brutally raped by his boyfriend, etc. - so I doubt this is going to be the incident that drives him to suicide.
Although Kalle's mother is ultimately responsible for blackmailing Lari out of town, Lari didn't handle it as well as he could have. Surely the very least he could do was leave a note for Kalle? Didn't his fiance merit that much, rather than a belated text message without any apology and instead making it seem like Kalle was unlovable? I really wish there was a decent man for Kalle on the horizon; he has had such rotten luck between the rapist and Lari, but I guess the show loves torturing him.
Meanwhile I suspect Elias and Lari will get their happy ending together. They might have missed each other at the crossroads, but I doubt they will stay out of each other's paths for long. I would have liked to see Elias move on - he came back from Brussels looking much happier and refreshed, like the Elias I first watched and enjoyed, but throwing him back in the middle of Kalle & Lari is bound to bring a dark storm-cloud. It would have been something different if he were to seek out Lari but only with the intent of reuniting him with Kalle, but I don't see that happening.
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Post by Zathras on Nov 4, 2015 20:43:36 GMT -5
Well, considering how slowly this show develops their stories sometimes, I suspect it will be a while before we see what direction they're going with Kalle, Lari, and Elias.  |
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