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Post by justinate on Sept 22, 2015 10:05:57 GMT -5
It is none of Kalle's business what happens to the baby despite the fact that it involved his sister and boyfriend. Really it's about what Sanni & Lari want. That's it. Everyone can have an opinion but at the end of the day it's not about them. Sanni is a high school student. She doesn't work, she's 16. She lives with her mother and her boyfriend. The baby already has 2 parents, a grandparent plus godfather/possible daddy and uncle. It is not lacking in care or support. It's one small baby. LOL. I agree with you that the baby (and his mother) have enough support even without the baby's father in the picture. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that Ilja's welfare is none of Kalle's business - Ilja is his nephew. I would expect him to have some interest in the child's wellbeing as well as his sister's. I'm not convinced that Sanni's desire to conceal her son's paternity outweighs the importance of the truth, especially when the secret has wreaked havoc on Janne. Do Lari and Sanni intend to keep his fatherhood from Ilja, even when he grows older and starts asking about his dad? It's not exclusively the parents' decision, IMO. And that's before considering the problematic nature of keeping a secret of this scale from your significant other - it's hardly the basis for a healthy relationship. Sacrilege! One cute butt is not the same as another!  |
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 22, 2015 13:59:11 GMT -5
Janne is fine, nothing phases him. He was sad for a couple days. He and Tale had a fight (as they always have and will in the future) now they're fine again. Janne is Mr. happy-go-lucky (something I love about him). That's why Lari needs him in his life. Lari has 3 settings: sexy, angry, pensive. It's only when he's with Janne that he even resembles relaxed and happy (IMO) as of late. There was no havoc wreaked. Janne's in love with IIda and happy to be back with her. He's one of the least dramatic characters I've ever seen.
I'm not saying Lari shouldn't care whether or not the baby is his (I'd still want a DNA test just to be sure) or that he can't be a father to it. I just think it's not like someone's hair is on fire. This "who's the daddy" situation can't go on forever but it's only been about a month in show time so it's not that big of a deal who the father is right now. I think Sanni needs to be in the right frame or mind and she and Lari need to talk about it together, alone (which probably won't happen because it's a soap). For now, the baby is just a baby. It is in no way harmed by not knowing who its father is.
I think Kalle (if he can take a step back) will understand why Sanni wanted to keep it a secret and why she didn't want Lari to tell him. Again, he's 35, they are teenagers. Also Kalle has had his own secrets in the past. I just don't think it has to be as big of a deal as other do. It would be different if Lari had cheated on Kalle with Sanni or if they'd been in a relationship but Lari has absolutely NO feelings for Sanni other than friendship. As for being a father, I know I'm different in my thinking but I would rather Lari make a choice to be a father than be guilted or shamed into it.
Hell, Elias might have been better of never finding out give how much grief, pain and loss Sebastian and Cindy caused him (though then we wouldn't have had this storyline so...)
There is no such thing as a healthy relationship on a soap opera. Healthy relationships die or disappear. There always has to be a cloud of doom on a relationship even when it's happy to keep the tension going. LOL. I'm sure we'll get to see more cute butts in the future.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 24, 2015 6:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Sept 24, 2015 7:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 24, 2015 22:15:46 GMT -5
Oh, you've got to be kidding me. Lari lit her hair on fire?! And then he panics when Ilja might not be well. Interesting... |
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 25, 2015 10:26:01 GMT -5
I know everyone loves to hate Kalle's mom (she does not know tact, bless her heart) but I think if my 35+ head physician son was shacked up with a just-out-of-high-school twunk barista, I'd have some questions, concerns, issues. Kalle is grown but she's still his mother and until a couple weeks ago she was still cooking and cleaning for him cuz he refused to live on his own. Kalle kinda turns into a stroppy toddler when his mother doesn't agree with him. It's like magical thinking on crack. Nothing she's saying about him being with Lari is that outrageous, it's practical (even if he doesn't want to hear it) and it's the kind of thing mothers are supposed to think about.
I know everyone likes to be super romantic and love is love and all that but paternity issues notwithstanding, Kalle & Lari are just not on the same path. I feel like Kalle is so desperate to be loved, to find love after his horrible ex boyfriend and trying to date a woman that he will do anything to be with someone and Lari is just there, open, loving and a warm fit body.
It's interesting that Kalle doesn't seem to have any colleagues or friends his own age or at a similar state of life. I'm not even really convinced Kalle and Lari are in love with each other and at the very least you'd want to feel that was true.
I would probably feel differently if Kalle was more like Lari or vice versa but I feel like even if they were the same age they'd be too different to be together. And someone as insecure as Kalle will never be able to handle his boyfriend and sister having a child together (assuming the baby is actually Lari's)
Lari and Kalle just feel like they are going through the motions of being a couple which doesn't bode well for them being able to weather the stress of Lari possibly being the baby's dad.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 25, 2015 18:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 25, 2015 20:20:52 GMT -5
Oh, of course Lari is feeling the fatherly instinct now. Didn't see that happening eventually. But now Kalle's mom knows that they think Lari is the father. Argh. At least that part of the story hasn't been going on too long. |
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Post by gidi on Sept 26, 2015 3:17:37 GMT -5
Oh, of course Lari is feeling the fatherly instinct now. Didn't see that happening eventually. But now Kalle's mom knows that they think Lari is the father. Argh. At least that part of the story hasn't been going on too long. It is intersting to know what come next... |
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Post by gidi on Sept 30, 2015 3:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by crayran on Oct 2, 2015 22:02:00 GMT -5
If Lari truly loved Kalle he would tell him the truth!!
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Post by cheerios on Oct 3, 2015 0:45:17 GMT -5
If Lari truly loved Kalle he would tell him the truth!! I can see why Lari is keeping things secret. Considering when he finally confess to his father that he was gay, he went a bit nuts, tried to convert his son, and then turned his back on him, kicking him out of his home. I never really saw Lari as wanting to rock the boat, he's always seems big on burying things and putting his head in the sand. |
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Post by vesper on Oct 4, 2015 2:56:00 GMT -5
I know everyone loves to hate Kalle's mom (she does not know tact, bless her heart) but I think if my 35+ head physician son was shacked up with a just-out-of-high-school twunk barista, I'd have some questions, concerns, issues. Kalle is grown but she's still his mother and until a couple weeks ago she was still cooking and cleaning for him cuz he refused to live on his own. Kalle kinda turns into a stroppy toddler when his mother doesn't agree with him. It's like magical thinking on crack. Nothing she's saying about him being with Lari is that outrageous, it's practical (even if he doesn't want to hear it) and it's the kind of thing mothers are supposed to think about. I know everyone likes to be super romantic and love is love and all that but paternity issues notwithstanding, Kalle & Lari are just not on the same path. I feel like Kalle is so desperate to be loved, to find love after his horrible ex boyfriend and trying to date a woman that he will do anything to be with someone and Lari is just there, open, loving and a warm fit body. It's interesting that Kalle doesn't seem to have any colleagues or friends his own age or at a similar state of life. I'm not even really convinced Kalle and Lari are in love with each other and at the very least you'd want to feel that was true. I would probably feel differently if Kalle was more like Lari or vice versa but I feel like even if they were the same age they'd be too different to be together. And someone as insecure as Kalle will never be able to handle his boyfriend and sister having a child together (assuming the baby is actually Lari's) Lari and Kalle just feel like they are going through the motions of being a couple which doesn't bode well for them being able to weather the stress of Lari possibly being the baby's dad. I couldn't agree. I think the situation in which they got together was very shady as well, with Lari living with Kalle and all those feelings of gratitude, and him not having a family and still dealing with breaking up with Elias. It feels almost predatory to me. |
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Post by daleeryohm on Oct 4, 2015 12:12:21 GMT -5
Lari was pushed into dating Kalle in the first place by Janne, and during another one of his drunken depressed pity parties, he kissed and almost slept with some hideous bar random, and then proceeded to go to Elias' house and told him he missed him. Why he couldn't just do that in the first place is beyond me. He created a child via stupid behavior, but it was just luck that he didnt catch an STD in such circumstances.
My biggest problem with Lari is how reckless he is and how much he uses people. Why would anyone think that if he doesnt love Elias, that he can love anyone at all. Of course he doesn't love Kalle.
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Post by gidi on Oct 10, 2015 16:32:12 GMT -5
Lari was pushed into dating Kalle in the first place by Janne, and during another one of his drunken depressed pity parties, he kissed and almost slept with some hideous bar random, and then proceeded to go to Elias' house and told him he missed him. Why he couldn't just do that in the first place is beyond me. He created a child via stupid behavior, but it was just luck that he didnt catch an STD in such circumstances. My biggest problem with Lari is how reckless he is and how much he uses people. Why would anyone think that if he doesnt love Elias, that he can love anyone at all. Of course he doesn't love Kalle. Lari love Elias |
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Post by gidi on Oct 15, 2015 9:24:37 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Oct 15, 2015 20:21:20 GMT -5
Well, they were off screen for 2 weeks without an explanation.  And now that they're back, it's just more of the same. Somehow I doubt Kalle actually heard most of what Kristiina said about Lari. But I kind of hope he did, just so the story can start moving forward. |
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Post by crayran on Oct 15, 2015 21:16:48 GMT -5
How convenient for Kalle to be there to over hear that conversation!
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Post by gidi on Oct 16, 2015 4:26:03 GMT -5
How convenient for Kalle to be there to over hear that conversation! Soon we all will know. |
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 16, 2015 13:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Oct 16, 2015 19:20:30 GMT -5
Wait. Kalle decided to propose marriage to Lari?!  Is he being serious, or is he just trying to force the issue? I doubt Lari would say "yes", but maybe he won't get that chance. Hmm. |
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Post by cybersparky on Oct 17, 2015 13:31:50 GMT -5
yup was not expecting that at all, but then soap land always does crazy things!
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Post by crayran on Oct 17, 2015 14:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 21, 2015 20:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 21, 2015 21:26:39 GMT -5
And a second clip courtesy of MissFinlandia:
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Is he being serious, or is he just trying to force the issue? I doubt Lari would say "yes", but maybe he won't get that chance. Hmm.
