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Post by kevvoi on Sept 3, 2015 15:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Sept 3, 2015 15:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 3, 2015 16:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 3, 2015 20:11:48 GMT -5
Oh, of course Lari is keeping this from Kalle. Instead of being open, he invited Kalle to move in. Sigh. I'm still frustrated by the way the show treats the "who's the father" question. Now today Sanni acted like it was certain that Lari is the father. I still don't like these kinds of storylines.  Elias has never done anything to Lari. I disagree. Characters can have lots of chemistry and be steamy together (or whatever a given viewer likes to see), and still be bad for each other. I've seen enough couples where the characters brought out the worst in each other, yet still had fans that wanted them to be together. Despite some of them being downright toxic for the other. I don't think Lari and Elias are overly toxic, I just don't think they are a good match. |
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Post by gidi on Sept 4, 2015 6:17:05 GMT -5
Oh, of course Lari is keeping this from Kalle. Instead of being open, he invited Kalle to move in. Sigh. I'm still frustrated by the way the show treats the "who's the father" question. Now today Sanni acted like it was certain that Lari is the father. I still don't like these kinds of storylines. Elias has never done anything to Lari. I disagree. Characters can have lots of chemistry and be steamy together (or whatever a given viewer likes to see), and still be bad for each other. I've seen enough couples where the characters brought out the worst in each other, yet still had fans that wanted them to be together. Despite some of them being downright toxic for the other. I don't think Lari and Elias are overly toxic, I just don't think they are a good match. I think Larias are good match. To know who the father a DBA test need .as I see it Sanni prefer that Lari will be the father.... |
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Post by justinate on Sept 4, 2015 8:23:27 GMT -5
I'm amused that, a day after I said the writers should give us some eye candy if they want us to overlook Lari acting like a jerk, they do just that. - and the spoiler for next week promises more of the same. So thanks? Just don't think it's a substitute for solid characterizations and engaging stories.
Even without the DNA test, who else can be Ilja's father? Sanni only slept with Janne and Lari, right? Or has she had other sex partners we don't know about? Tale was never in the running, she was already pregnant when she first slept with him, and Janne's been ruled out by DNA test - unless it was wrong (almost negligible chance, unless it's been deliberately tampered).
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Post by vesper on Sept 6, 2015 13:21:58 GMT -5
I'm amused that, a day after I said the writers should give us some eye candy if they want us to overlook Lari acting like a jerk, they do just that. - and the spoiler for next week promises more of the same. So thanks? Just don't think it's a substitute for solid characterizations and engaging stories. Even without the DNA test, who else can be Ilja's father? Sanni only slept with Janne and Lari, right? Or has she had other sex partners we don't know about? Tale was never in the running, she was already pregnant when she first slept with him, and Janne's been ruled out by DNA test - unless it was wrong (almost negligible chance, unless it's been deliberately tampered). We didn't know she had slept with Lari until they decided on this storyline, so who knows? I am just tired of this "gay guy sleeps with girl once and becomes a father trope" and think Lari is too young to be a father, so I hope he isn't the father; I haven't been enjoying Lari for a while anyway. |
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Post by gidi on Sept 8, 2015 13:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by daleeryohm on Sept 9, 2015 18:48:35 GMT -5
I really am just absolutely baffled at this gay men sleeping with women when drunk thing. Its nonsense. I mean, presuming Lari prefers to top, is it supposed to be the same for him then to have sex with women? Is that the idea? Just ugh. They should have had him get Ida pregnant then back when he was still in denial. That's plenty of gay mens' story, but never have I heard of gay men drinking and sleeping with women.
I keep both searching for and then bracing myself for news about Elias' return. Please love yourself boy, and leave Lari and Kalle to their mess.
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Post by dalphine on Sept 10, 2015 16:04:26 GMT -5
I was liking this relationship at first, but they're boring to me or maybe I need to wait since they're just getting back from break.
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Post by cheerios on Sept 11, 2015 2:21:57 GMT -5
On Lari sleeping with Sanni, maybe it was just him being lonely and in need of human connection and intimacy? Though honestly if he was that drunk I'm surprised he could perform.
Is it a hundred percent the baby is Lari? He needs to come clean about it all, it will just bite him in the butt later if he keeps quiet. Not just with Kalle and others, but with himself. He needs to face the fact that he has a son, I can't see Lari turning his back on his child. Especially what happen with his own father and the death of his mother.
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Post by daleeryohm on Sept 11, 2015 6:33:00 GMT -5
Its still just too hard to grasp, cheerios. Lari isn't bisexual, and his 'moment' with Sanni wasn't the result of any soul-crushing depression. And then he had to be basically pushed into dating Kalle by Janne. It was just a tasteless bit of devicing, and whats worse, is Lari just has an established pattern as a user now.
And by the process of elimination, according to missfinlandia88, Lari has to be the father, or else Sanni slept with some faceless rando around when she did Lari. I can see it now too, Kalle wont be able to get passed the baby being Lari's with Kalle's sister after he finds out, but Elias will be there all too happy to be the rebound and accept that baby.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 11, 2015 19:22:18 GMT -5
Is it a hundred percent the baby is Lari? From what I've seen, the show is a bit confused about it. In a lot of scenes they behave as if it is confirmed, but in other scenes they've treated it as uncertain. They haven't done a paternity test, so I think there is still doubt. I agree. |
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 14, 2015 17:24:08 GMT -5
Sanni only slept with two boys around the time she go pregnant: Janne & Lari. Janne took a paternity test and he's not the dad so that leaves Lari. The only people who know that Lari & Sanni had sex are the two of them and Sanni is not speaking up for obvious reasons. So for now Sanni & Tale are raising the baby together because they are a couple and Janne is back with IIda.
I'm not sure why Lari having drunk sex 1 time with Sanni is so confusing, he was depressed about Elias and it's not like he hasn't had sex with girls before Sanni (he was still gay when he slept with Iida to prove how straight he was). Plenty of gay men get married and produce children with no sexual desire for their wives at all. I'm sure Lari was thinking of Elias since he had almost had sex with Elias just before he stayed and got drunk with Sanni.
I doubt the sex with Sanni was pleasurable. Lari didn't even remember it happened because he was so drunk. The idea he could be the father never occurred to him until he found out Janne wasn't the dad.
These are teenagers. Teenagers are messy and ridiculous.
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Post by gidi on Sept 15, 2015 9:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 15, 2015 20:16:20 GMT -5
Well, Kalle surprised Lari, too  . I do think Lari should tell Kalle that he thinks he's the father. But I keep getting the feeling that Lari is going to decide he wants to be involved with the kid and not avoid him. I hope that doesn't happen, just because of what that would do to his story prospects. We'll see.  |
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Post by crayran on Sept 15, 2015 20:32:53 GMT -5
I hope Kalle appreciates Lari's effort even if it was Janne's idea.
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Post by gidi on Sept 16, 2015 11:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 16, 2015 13:43:32 GMT -5
The thing is you don't have to have a problem with babies to not want to be around one and you should certainly be asked before someone shows up with a baby to your house. I was raised by my grandmother, in another state from age 4. I never resented the fact that my mother was unable to raise me herself. She made a good choice. She raised my brother but she couldn't manage us both. I think that people are very sentimental about babies and children and think that just because you are the biological parent you have to be the one who raises a child but that isn't always the case.
Also Sanni isn't alone, she has Tale who is the same age at Lari and who wants to be a second parent to the baby. Kalle acts like Sanni is raising the child alone, she isn't. It's nice that Kalle wants to be involved with his nephew but he can't just force the baby on Lari and he shouldn't make Lari feel guilty for not being willing to babysit with no notice.
Kalle frequently thinks he knows what is best for others without consulting them. Sanni is young but she is the baby's mother. She doesn't need a "break" from the baby, she just needs help, when she asks and she didn't ask for help.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 16, 2015 15:37:48 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with the relationship between Kalle and Lari (other than the fact that they are as boring to watch as drying paint or growing grass)is that Kalle constantly treats Lari not as his lover/partner/boyfriend but rather as a child. I can't wait for them to break up.
Don't get me wrong I don't want Lari with Elias. I know that that's probably going to happen, but I really wish it wouldn't.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 17, 2015 11:04:11 GMT -5
At this point I would be happy to see Lari single, living in his own apartment and enjoying his autonomy hanging out with his friends including Elias, Tale, Sanni, Iida and Janne. That kind of light funny energy is missing from the show and I miss it.
I'm ok with Elias dating other boys and Lari dating other boys and Kalle dating grown men who are accomplished, have their own money and have a strong sense of self so Kalle doesn't try to run their life. Kalle is so much like his mother it is hilarious.
Lari and Elias were never friends, they went from bully and victim to secret lovers to star-crossed lovers to bitter exes in 1.5 years. LOL. It would be nice to see them come back to each other after some separate life experience and because they truly want to, not just cuz it's convenient (as Lari did with Kalle).
I really miss seeing Elias, Sebastian and little Oliver as a family too. I'd love to see more of them again.
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Post by gidi on Sept 17, 2015 13:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by gidi on Sept 17, 2015 13:59:44 GMT -5
At this point I would be happy to see Lari single, living in his own apartment and enjoying his autonomy hanging out with his friends including Elias, Tale, Sanni, Iida and Janne. That kind of light funny energy is missing from the show and I miss it. I'm ok with Elias dating other boys and Lari dating other boys and Kalle dating grown men who are accomplished, have their own money and have a strong sense of self so Kalle doesn't try to run their life. Kalle is so much like his mother it is hilarious. Lari and Elias were never friends, they went from bully and victim to secret lovers to star-crossed lovers to bitter exes in 1.5 years. LOL. It would be nice to see them come back to each other after some separate life experience and because they truly want to, not just cuz it's convenient (as Lari did with Kalle). I really miss seeing Elias, Sebastian and little Oliver as a family too. I'd love to see more of them again. I hope to see Lari and Elias again together it seems they learn something so getting back is the right thing. |
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Post by justinate on Sept 20, 2015 11:50:28 GMT -5
The longer Lari keeps quiet, the worse his secret becomes. When Tale and Janne are willing to step up as a father to baby Ilja, will anyone really demand that Lari be heavily involved as a parent? I guess Kalle and his mother will, since they seem to believe Sanni is an overworked single parent.
Frankly, though, I don't see the situation improving even if Lari gets back together with Elias when this secret's inevitable reveal blows up his relationship with Kalle. I will bet good money that we'll see Lari and Elias foisted with babysitting duties since it's Lari's son and Elias likes looking after little kids (I miss his interactions with his little brother, too, but kept to an acceptable minimum). Hopefully babysitting won't intrude on their personal time like Lari and Kalle's.
Speaking of which, was I the only one who felt cheated by Lari's erotic surprise? I was hoping for some nudity. Shallow, I know, but come on: every other actor - from Elias to his dad to Kalle's old dad - has done it, and I'm pretty sure Ronny has nothing to be shy about. The guy is crazy buff. Maybe it was the baby in the scene ...
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 20, 2015 19:23:21 GMT -5
It is none of Kalle's business what happens to the baby despite the fact that it involved his sister and boyfriend. Really it's about what Sanni & Lari want. That's it. Everyone can have an opinion but at the end of the day it's not about them. Sanni is a high school student. She doesn't work, she's 16. She lives with her mother and her boyfriend. The baby already has 2 parents, a grandparent plus godfather/possible daddy and uncle. It is not lacking in care or support. It's one small baby. LOL.
It's not just about Lari telling or not telling. Sanni also have a say, she is also a parent and right now she does not want Lari to say anything so until Sanni and Lari make a decision, together about what to do, everybody else in their life will just have to stay in the dark. The baby is not going anywhere they have some time to decide what they want to do.
Janne is out of the picture. He was only involved because Sanni thought he might be the dad but once he took the DNA test, it no longer involved him in any way. Janne is now dating IIda again.
It's not like Lari fathered the child while dating Kalle.
As for the nudity, I'm sure he has a very lovely rear but I don't think that was the right scene for it. Also, seen one cute butt, you've kinda seen them all.
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