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Post by dots80 on May 23, 2012 19:53:31 GMT -5
It's homophobia coming from Telemundo. Plain and simple! The audience can't be blamed cuz' well...there was never one to begin with lol  From what I can tell noone made a fuzz about the Alex character. The degaying of the show was all Telemundo's idea. It was them being uncomfortable with the subject matter of their own show. I'm actually very disappointed in Gladd for not making more of an issue with them. I'm not donating my money to HRC so that they can keep wasting it with usueless award ceremonies.  They have like three or four a year!!!!  Anthony, I hope you rip Telemundo a new one in your next column. |
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Post by anthonyl on May 23, 2012 22:31:31 GMT -5
What a waste of Sabastain's character. I really liked him and the show did nothing with him. And now he's gone. I would have liked a final scene with he and Alejandro since they are supposedly best friends. The show also seems to have forgotten Nora's immigration issues. It hasn't been mentioned in weeks.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 24, 2012 6:57:53 GMT -5
Was Sabastain the hot friend of Ale? What happened to make him leave he school?
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Post by anthonyl on May 24, 2012 11:01:26 GMT -5
He decided to move to DC to be with his mom. The show hasn't bothered to tell us why. And it makes no sense since Sabastain is a senior and about to graduate high school. I guess they just need to get rid of him/wrap up his 'story' since the show is ending.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 24, 2012 12:58:33 GMT -5
Is Nora still trying to get him?
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Post by anthonyl on May 24, 2012 13:52:54 GMT -5
No. She's in love with Diego now.
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Post by bigbadboy on May 24, 2012 14:19:53 GMT -5
He decided to move to DC to be with his mom. The show hasn't bothered to tell us why. And it makes no sense since Sabastain is a senior and about to graduate high school. I guess they just need to get rid of him/wrap up his 'story' since the show is ending. LMAO, They got rid of him? The show is just too amazing, I cannot deal! |
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Post by Hawthorne on May 24, 2012 18:29:59 GMT -5
He decided to move to DC to be with his mom. The show hasn't bothered to tell us why. And it makes no sense since Sabastain is a senior and about to graduate high school. I guess they just need to get rid of him/wrap up his 'story' since the show is ending. Hmm... I had assumed that Seb and Nora would end up together, freeing up Diego to choose Ale. With the way they've portrayed Diego's dad as a Nazi homophobe, could Diego really choose Nora? Could Diego's hate-filled dad actually get his way? In this final train wreck ending for the show, I guess he could. What a depressing message that would send! But before he left Seb did tell Nora that Diego was lying to her. Perhaps Nora will make Diego's decision for him. |
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 24, 2012 18:46:05 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous that with all of the hesitation the show has shown to keep the development of Ale and Diego's attraction to each other completely offscreen, because IMO the show has made Ale seem like he's obsessed with Diego. Yet, they're supposed to end up together? Utter rubbish in the most absurd way.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 19:16:25 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous that with all of the hesitation the show has shown to keep the development of Ale and Diego's attraction to each other completely offscreen, because IMO the show has made Ale seem like he's obsessed with Diego. Yet, they're supposed to end up together? Utter rubbish in the most absurd way. The thing is that they could of been doing what they have been doing these last couple of scenes all along and actually showing the development of there relationship and also the kisses and it could of been one of the best story lines on the show. |
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Post by dots80 on May 24, 2012 19:55:05 GMT -5
He decided to move to DC to be with his mom. The show hasn't bothered to tell us why. And it makes no sense since Sabastain is a senior and about to graduate high school. I guess they just need to get rid of him/wrap up his 'story' since the show is ending. I hate them! The actor who plays Sebastian is such a polite young man. He deserved better. though in my twisted sense of humor I'm glad Sebastian didn't end up with Nora. HAHA!! My theory is that he goes to DC, discovers he's gay after all, and becomes an important gay activist. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 22:00:56 GMT -5
This Mauricio Miranda shit is so annoying and it's not believable
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 25, 2012 5:46:52 GMT -5
I just think it's ridiculous that with all of the hesitation the show has shown to keep the development of Ale and Diego's attraction to each other completely offscreen, because IMO the show has made Ale seem like he's obsessed with Diego. Yet, they're supposed to end up together? Utter rubbish in the most absurd way. The thing is that they could of been doing what they have been doing these last couple of scenes all along and actually showing the development of there relationship and also the kisses and it could of been one of the best story lines on the show. But they have been doing the above, with all the development and kisses happening off screen from the very beginning. From the moment that Sebastian's brother, Nora's first in the closet boyfriend and Ale's "best friend" killed himself. He did something with that other young man while they were on drugs and that also happened off screen. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 6:16:11 GMT -5
The thing is that they could of been doing what they have been doing these last couple of scenes all along and actually showing the development of there relationship and also the kisses and it could of been one of the best story lines on the show. But they have been doing the above, with all the development and kisses happening off screen from the very beginning. From the moment that Sebastian's brother, Nora's first in the closet boyfriend and Ale's "best friend" killed himself. He did something with that other young man while they were on drugs and that also happened off screen. I completely agree |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 7:09:18 GMT -5
They added 10 more episodes so the number of episodes will be 100
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Post by Duskysoda on May 28, 2012 9:09:12 GMT -5
They added 10 more episodes so the number of episodes will be 100 I feel bad for my Television |
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Post by Isabella on May 28, 2012 10:26:21 GMT -5
It's homophobia coming from Telemundo. Plain and simple! The audience can't be blamed cuz' well...there was never one to begin with lol From what I can tell noone made a fuzz about the Alex character. The degaying of the show was all Telemundo's idea. It was them being uncomfortable with the subject matter of their own show. I'm actually very disappointed in Gladd for not making more of an issue with them. I'm not donating my money to HRC so that they can keep wasting it with usueless award ceremonies. They have like three or four a year!!!! Anthony, I hope you rip Telemundo a new one in your next column. Exactly. This storyline and the treatment it was given by the writers was completely homophobic. Do I think the show is trying to preach that being gay is wrong? No, of course not. That doesn't mean it's not homophobic though. The writers clearly believe that nobody wants to see two gay guys kissing or falling in love with each other, since none of this was shown ever throughout the series, despite the pre-premiere descriptions. Remember when Ale and Diego were supposed to "fall madly in love and have a tumultuous affair"? Yeah, that never happened. Ale apparently fearing he will lose Diego to a girl? Nora and Diego were together before they even kissed. This show has been one big, misleading disaster from the beginning. We got to see Nora and Diego sleep together and kiss (or rather, eat each other's faces) plenty of times, and Ale is supposedly the one Diego really has feelings for, yet they've probably had less than 20 scenes between them through the show's entire run. What a ridiculous double standard. |
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Post by justinate on May 28, 2012 11:11:40 GMT -5
Well, I guess the showrunners were utterly incompetent in every way, because there was no way they were wrapping up all their stories in the 90 episodes ... so the network was probably forced to give them an extra ten to wrap it up properly. What a bunch of idiots. For a show with so much promise, derived from a well-loved show like FOQ, the way they trashed its potential beyond repair is mind-boggling. Their stupid reboot merely made the show worse. I think the initial upsurge in viewership after the reboot was announced must be due to people being deceived into tuning in again, expecting the show to be improved. Once they realized the reboot was in fact a torpedo to an already-sinking ship, they abandoned it again. Who decided Las Drogas was the story that was working for the show? I honestly thought it was being wrapped up, with half the criminals being killed off and I assumed Max's father would be caught, precipitating his financial crisis which would lead into his porn storyline, a delightfully-naked Danilo Carrera, and eventually a redemption for Max. But no, instead we get the victim turning into the bully and brutally beating up Max, which causes him to have an instant lightbulb moment that "sooner or later you reap what you sow". Give me a break!
And don't even get me started on Sebastian - poor Alex Hernandez. He could easily have been promoted as one of the show's stars to attract more English-speakers to the show, since he spoke pretty good English (not to mention was handsome, charming, and fit). Yet he was barely on the show - as much as we complain about Ale's lack of airtime, Seb got shafted the worst. He had one abruptly terminated romance, didn't get justice for his brother, and didn't even get a goodbye scene with his dad - who is instead too busy making eyes at Mau-mau's mother who was widowed last week, that he can't even make time for his only surviving child. I really hope Kevin, Danilo and Alex get work on some better shows in the near future.
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Post by mycatfox on May 28, 2012 11:14:52 GMT -5
It's homophobia coming from Telemundo. Plain and simple! The audience can't be blamed cuz' well...there was never one to begin with lol From what I can tell noone made a fuzz about the Alex character. The degaying of the show was all Telemundo's idea. It was them being uncomfortable with the subject matter of their own show. I'm actually very disappointed in Gladd for not making more of an issue with them. I'm not donating my money to HRC so that they can keep wasting it with usueless award ceremonies. They have like three or four a year!!!! Anthony, I hope you rip Telemundo a new one in your next column. Exactly. This storyline and the treatment it was given by the writers was completely homophobic. Do I think the show is trying to preach that being gay is wrong? No, of course not. That doesn't mean it's not homophobic though. The writers clearly believe that nobody wants to see two gay guys kissing or falling in love with each other, since none of this was shown ever throughout the series, despite the pre-premiere descriptions. Remember when Ale and Diego were supposed to "fall madly in love and have a tumultuous affair"? Yeah, that never happened. Ale apparently fearing he will lose Diego to a girl? Nora and Diego were together before they even kissed. This show has been one big, misleading disaster from the beginning. We got to see Nora and Diego sleep together and kiss (or rather, eat each other's faces) plenty of times, and Ale is supposedly the one Diego really has feelings for, yet they've probably had less than 20 scenes between them through the show's entire run. What a ridiculous double standard. I have to agree  What is ironic is that even though they de-gayed the story so pathetically, they lost miserably, the novela never succeeded  It's a real pity, because they really lost a great opportunity to present a topic that is still considered too controversial for a very large portion of the Latino viewers, this soap's intended audience Anyway... We will never know what would've happened if those responsible for this soap had had the balls to tell the story honestly, as it should be  Who knows, they might have been successful had they not been so cowardly! |
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Post by Isabella on May 28, 2012 13:53:11 GMT -5
Well, I guess the showrunners were utterly incompetent in every way, because there was no way they were wrapping up all their stories in the 90 episodes ... so the network was probably forced to give them an extra ten to wrap it up properly. What a bunch of idiots. For a show with so much promise, derived from a well-loved show like FOQ, the way they trashed its potential beyond repair is mind-boggling. Their stupid reboot merely made the show worse. I think the initial upsurge in viewership after the reboot was announced must be due to people being deceived into tuning in again, expecting the show to be improved. Once they realized the reboot was in fact a torpedo to an already-sinking ship, they abandoned it again. Who decided Las Drogas was the story that was working for the show? I honestly thought it was being wrapped up, with half the criminals being killed off and I assumed Max's father would be caught, precipitating his financial crisis which would lead into his porn storyline, a delightfully-naked Danilo Carrera, and eventually a redemption for Max. But no, instead we get the victim turning into the bully and brutally beating up Max, which causes him to have an instant lightbulb moment that "sooner or later you reap what you sow". Give me a break! And don't even get me started on Sebastian - poor Alex Hernandez. He could easily have been promoted as one of the show's stars to attract more English-speakers to the show, since he spoke pretty good English (not to mention was handsome, charming, and fit). Yet he was barely on the show - as much as we complain about Ale's lack of airtime, Seb got shafted the worst. He had one abruptly terminated romance, didn't get justice for his brother, and didn't even get a goodbye scene with his dad - who is instead too busy making eyes at Mau-mau's mother who was widowed last week, that he can't even make time for his only surviving child. I really hope Kevin, Danilo and Alex get work on some better shows in the near future. I didn't really follow the rest of the show as much as I watched clips through Anthony's channel, but I definitely agree about Sebastian. He was such a likable character, and his love for Nora was, for whatever reason, entirely genuine. Instead, Nora gets stuck with the overcompensating, self-hating Diego who hasn't shown a trace of a spine throughout the entire series. I would've preferred more Sebas scenes over Mau-Mau/Miranda and even Ale/Diego. At least he was a good person. The lack of resolution on the topic of Rodrigo's death is also very insulting. He was Nora's boyfriend, whom she appeared to get over very quickly, or maybe the writers just forgot about that. He was supposedly Ale's best friend and first crush, but he has not been mentioned by him at all since his death. The inconsistency is ultimately the show's biggest downfall. The acting wasn't the worst I've seen in a show such as this, but the writing and characterization is at the top of the list for sure. |
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Post by techguy on May 28, 2012 16:57:00 GMT -5
Many of the young actors in the show were novice, and you can tell that in the acting of some. However, I do not think of that as a major reason for the show's failure. I personally don't have any complains about the acting skills of either Kevin Aponte or Jonathan Freudman. I think both have done a good job, and it's not their fault that the writer and production have made them and their storyline look pathetic.
And while homophobia was probably a factor in deciding not going all the way with the Ale/Diego story, and like I have mentioned before, I do really think the story was written primarily for Gabriel Coronado aka Mau-mau. As Telemundo's new "star", he had to shine above everyone else. Of course he needed a female lead, but it was all about him pretty much. That's why I can't stand him and mute almost every scene he's in.
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Post by Isabella on May 28, 2012 17:57:49 GMT -5
Many of the young actors in the show were novice, and you can tell that in the acting of some. However, I do not think of that as a major reason for the show's failure. I personally don't have any complains about the acting skills of either Kevin Aponte or Jonathan Freudman. I think both have done a good job, and it's not their fault that the writer and production have made them and their storyline look pathetic. And while homophobia was probably a factor in deciding not going all the way with the Ale/Diego story, and like I have mentioned before, I do really think the story was written primarily for Gabriel Coronado aka Mau-mau. As Telemundo's new "star", he had to shine above everyone else. Of course he needed a female lead, but it was all about him pretty much. That's why I can't stand him and mute almost every scene he's in. Kevin Aponte was always good even when the material was bad and his character became unlikable. As far as Diego goes, he only seemed to have two facial expressions: goofy grin or blank stare. There was no conviction in the character or the actor, and it's one of the reasons, albeit a minor one compared to the writing, why the storyline failed. In my opinion, of course. |
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Post by justinate on May 29, 2012 9:32:19 GMT -5
I bit the bullet and watched last night's episode (#89) because I saw last week ended with Gonzalo holding Carmen and Sofia (Mauricio's mother and sister) and Orlando Aragon (Sebastian and Rodrigo's father) at knifepoint. Last night's episode continued that scene and Gonzalo was convinced to drop the knife, he then confessed all to Orlando, including being the puveyor of the drugs to Rodrigo the night before he killed himself. About one split-second of new flashback was shown in which it was pretty clear Rodrigo had some sort of sexual encounter with one of the guys (I'm not sure if it was Gonzalo or Osvaldo, since the show as usual was very coy in showing any boy-on-boy contact). In the subsequent conversation Alejandro's name was mentioned a couple of times. Could someone please enlighten us as to what exactly went on, as the video I watched hadn't any English subtitles and I don't understand Spanish? It seemed like there was finally some closure to the events that started the series. It wasn't much, maybe a minute or so at most, before they moved on to their favourite topic, las drogas.
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Post by anthonyl on May 29, 2012 10:13:59 GMT -5
The show ends this week so I guess they are wrapping everything up. It's funny, but all that would have been revealed in the infamous video on the laptop, but the show dropped that whole plot point long ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 14:31:52 GMT -5
The show ends this week so I guess they are wrapping everything up. It's funny, but all that would have been revealed in the infamous video on the laptop, but the show dropped that whole plot point long ago. They actually added 10 more episodes so now it's gonna be exactly 100 episodes |
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From what I can tell noone made a fuzz about the Alex character. The degaying of the show was all Telemundo's idea. It was them being uncomfortable with the subject matter of their own show. 
They have like three or four a year!!!! 
