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Post by anthonyl on May 29, 2012 14:35:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that, but we'll see, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 14:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by dots80 on May 29, 2012 20:08:05 GMT -5
Oh dear.... 10 more episodes? I guess they couldn't tie everything down, so they were forced to extend.lol
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Post by dots80 on May 29, 2012 20:49:03 GMT -5
About one split-second of new flashback was shown in which it was pretty clear Rodrigo had some sort of sexual encounter with one of the guys (I'm not sure if it was Gonzalo or Osvaldo, since the show as usual was very coy in showing any boy-on-boy contact). In one of the first episodes it is implied that Gonzalo dares Osvaldo to give Rodrigo a hickie (from Gonzalo's tone it seems he has already received one himself). Gonzalo goes on to say "Ah I see you like to play little swords" which to me implies that Osvaldo was getting horny(sorry if I was too frank lol) I agree with those who say Sebastian got the short end of the stick. Poor Alex Hernandez, he probably thought he would have a bigger role. Yikes.  |
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Post by anthonyl on May 29, 2012 22:01:22 GMT -5
Well, I've also read that there's going to be 109 episodes so I'm not sure what's accurate and what's not. At any rate, it is ending early.
Strange that the show is saying these are the final episodes if it doesn't end for a few weeks yet.
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Post by justinate on Jun 1, 2012 4:26:17 GMT -5
It seems from episode 91 that Max did not actually delete the video of Gonzalo's drug-fueled orgy with Rodrigo and Osvaldo. After Max and Gonzalo had a falling out over Elizabeth, Max showed the video to Gonzalo and I think he was blackmailing/threatening him? I really don't know, I wish I understood Spanish. This was the original story that actually drew me into the show so I'm keen to see its resolution but I don't think either Anthony or Omar will be uploading these segments with English subtitles seeing as they don't really pertain to Ale or Diego.  By the way, Ale and Diego had some airtime in the subsequent episode (92) but they were definitely like the E storyline after Mau/Miranda/JP, Patty and her mother (why would they introduce a new character at this juncture?), Santiago's evil wife and Ana's evil husband, and Joaquin and Yesenia. |
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 1, 2012 12:00:27 GMT -5
He told Gonzo that if he didn't leave Elizabeth alone he'd show everyone the video. However, Gonzo told Max he'd already confessed to what happened that night, so Max's threats were useless.
As for the next episode, which included a scene between the guys, I had a problem with the subtitling thing so I didn't get the subs and I'm not going to upload the episode without them. No matter, I don't need to understand Spanish to know the scene was just like all the others between the guys! LOL.....
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Post by ferdavid on Jun 1, 2012 13:01:40 GMT -5
but only from seeing...................were there something special between the guys..happened something or was it just a boring normal scene...........^^?
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 1, 2012 13:31:30 GMT -5
Nothing, nothing happened. Just more arguing, from what I could tell.
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Post by ferdavid on Jun 1, 2012 13:48:32 GMT -5
hm.................what a pitty -.- but thaaaaanks a lot for the information and for all the uploadings!!!!!!!!!!!! hope so, they will get togheter to the end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that we see one kiss  |
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Post by justinate on Jun 2, 2012 13:03:50 GMT -5
He told Gonzo that if he didn't leave Elizabeth alone he'd show everyone the video. However, Gonzo told Max he'd already confessed to what happened that night, so Max's threats were useless. Thanks for clearing that up, Anthony. If you don't mind, what exactly happened between Gonzalo, Rodrigo and Osvaldo? I couldn't understand his confession to Rodrigo and Sebas's father, which seemed to include mentions of Alejandro. |
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Post by Ventenne irrequieto on Jun 2, 2012 16:11:48 GMT -5
Im Italian and I've never studied spanish... so if you trust my «ability to understand» spanish here is what he says... and sorry for my poor english.
Detective: I'm not just a detective! I'm a father, too: a father who lost his son. My son would never have committed suicide if he was ok. He did it because of what was put in those pills he took that night.
Gonzalo: Listen. I took them too. The fact is: that was first Rodrigo's time. I lost memory and judgement, instead. The morning after that party I wasn't able to remember anything. I tried, but I didn't succeed. Look, Rodrigo was looking for drugs. He and Osvaldo put a tail on me until I gave them one that someone just gave me for free. But I promise you I didn't think even for a second that we all could be going to die because of it. Do you remember Oliver Torres? It was him who gave that pills to me. And he had them from Billy. And Billy got them from a laboratory. It was something new they needed to try, some «last generation» pills. Shortly after I found out that noone had still had tried them... but it was too late. I promise you I've never spent any night without thinking of being guilty of Rodrigo's death or that I should have died, too.
Detective: You gave this rubbish to my son? This rubbish that made him mad and throwing himself from the balcony? You killed my son!
Gonzalo: I didn't force him to take it. I didn't even sell them to him. If it wasn't me to give it to him it would have been someone else, you must believe me. I'm not a killer. I didn't make it. I've no idea of what they put in it to make people insane. The only thing I know is that I was going to die, too. I lost my memory and I didn't remember anything of what happened.
Detective: You lost your memory, Gonzalo? But I lost a son.
Gonzalo: I promise you: if I could come back I would never go to that party.
Detective: You're another victim of these murderers who experiment on our sons, without caring at all... only because they want to gain money.
Gonzalo: I needed to throw this outside and clean my conscience.
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Post by justinate on Jun 2, 2012 20:14:17 GMT -5
Im Italian and I've never studied spanish... so if you trust my «ability to understand» spanish here is what he says... and sorry for my poor english. Detective: I'm not just a detective! I'm a father, too: a father who lost his son. My son would never have committed suicide if he was ok. He did it because of what was put in those pills he took that night. Gonzalo: Listen. I took them too. The fact is: that was first Rodrigo's time. I lost memory and judgement, instead. The morning after that party I wasn't able to remember anything. I tried, but I didn't succeed. Look, Rodrigo was looking for drugs. He and Osvaldo put a tail on me until I gave them one that someone just gave me for free. But I promise you I didn't think even for a second that we all could be going to die because of it. Do you remember Oliver Torres? It was him who gave that pills to me. And he had them from Billy. And Billy got them from a laboratory. It was something new they needed to try, some «last generation» pills. Shortly after I found out that noone had still had tried them... but it was too late. I promise you I've never spent any night without thinking of being guilty of Rodrigo's death or that I should have died, too. Detective: You gave this rubbish to my son? This rubbish that made him mad and throwing himself from the balcony? You killed my son! Gonzalo: I didn't force him to take it. I didn't even sell them to him. If it wasn't me to give it to him it would have been someone else, you must believe me. I'm not a killer. I didn't make it. I've no idea of what they put in it to make people insane. The only thing I know is that I was going to die, too. I lost my memory and I didn't remember anything of what happened. Detective: You lost your memory, Gonzalo? But I lost a son. Gonzalo: I promise you: if I could come back I would never go to that party. Detective: You're another victim of these murderers who experiment on our sons, without caring at all... only because they want to gain money. Gonzalo: I needed to throw this outside and clean my conscience. Thanks a lot. So they didn't actually say anything about what the boys did during the night after taking the drugs, and no mention of Ale either. Huh. My understanding of Spanish must be even poorer than I originally thought! |
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Post by Ventenne irrequieto on Jun 3, 2012 0:14:10 GMT -5
Well... I'm 90% sure of what I understood: luckily, Spanish and Italian sometimes can be very similar and in this tv series they speak much more slowly than Spanish people do (sometimes Fisica o chimica was a nigthmare).
Moreover Leonardo Maximo mentioned what happened in the first episode saying that Rodrigo committed suicide because he couldn't stand the idea of himself raping his friend Osvaldo and then «killing» him... so, actually he still can blackmail him if he wants (if he still has a reason to do it, since Elizabeth eventually rejected him) because of what was recorded in the video.
It's a pity we don't have Sebastian since he could have given some interesting contribution to this storyline that I think is the only interesting one of the whole soap since other ones are totally meaningless or useless (like Alejandro and Diego's one) even if they were based on some interesting FoQ ideas. As an example, Nora seems to be very stupid, though her character is based on Cova and she was a very interesting and smart girl and in the first two series she really helped Fer with his coming out experiences. Anyway this is just centred on Miranda and Mauricio's history which is very boring.
In one of the last episodes something «happened» between Ale and Diego: Ale appeared while Diego and Nora were talking about her being illegal in USA and then she walked out. When Diego saw Ale he asked him if he minded waiting for him outside staying in the car so that nobody could see him but Diego says he was not interested (of course this is not true, but sometimes his feelings for Diego seem more to be a sort of obsession and I doubt he really fancies him at all... moreover I can't understand why he finds him so interesting to waste so much time on him).
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Post by justinate on Jun 4, 2012 10:14:28 GMT -5
Moreover Leonardo Maximo mentioned what happened in the first episode saying that Rodrigo committed suicide because he couldn't stand the idea of himself raping his friend Osvaldo and then «killing» him... so, actually he still can blackmail him if he wants (if he still has a reason to do it, since Elizabeth eventually rejected him) because of what was recorded in the video. Sorry to keep asking questions, but I am really very curious ... so it was admitted that Osvaldo, Rodrigo and Gonzalo had gay sex together? From the flashback shown, it did not look like rape - I mean, I guess it was to some extent since they were all high on drugs, so the element of consent is iffy - but the flashback showed Rodrigo looking up dreamily at the guy who pounced on HIM, rather being the pouncer? And what was the context for mentioning Alejandro? I wish they would have given storylines like this the proper attention and airtime instead of the constant Mau-mau & Miranda Show. Honestly I never found them appealing together and for two such beautiful people they did not have an ounce of chemistry together. |
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 4, 2012 11:12:29 GMT -5
Someone needs to pull the plug on this soap and put it out of it's misery
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Post by Ventenne irrequieto on Jun 4, 2012 14:21:36 GMT -5
Moreover Leonardo Maximo mentioned what happened in the first episode saying that Rodrigo committed suicide because he couldn't stand the idea of himself raping his friend Osvaldo and then «killing» him... so, actually he still can blackmail him if he wants (if he still has a reason to do it, since Elizabeth eventually rejected him) because of what was recorded in the video. Sorry to keep asking questions, but I am really very curious ... so it was admitted that Osvaldo, Rodrigo and Gonzalo had gay sex together? From the flashback shown, it did not look like rape - I mean, I guess it was to some extent since they were all high on drugs, so the element of consent is iffy - but the flashback showed Rodrigo looking up dreamily at the guy who pounced on HIM, rather being the pouncer? And what was the context for mentioning Alejandro? I wish they would have given storylines like this the proper attention and airtime instead of the constant Mau-mau & Miranda Show. Honestly I never found them appealing together and for two such beautiful people they did not have an ounce of chemistry together. Ok, you're right... maybe «rape» was a bit too strong as a verb to explain what I meant, but I was just referring to the fact that in the first episode I remember something like Osvaldo saying to Rodrigo «Don't touch me! Don't you remember what you did to me last night?»... but maybe I'm wrong and I don't remember his real words. Anyway, Alejandro was not mentioned in that dialogue, but I think I'd rather translate you the whole conversation Max e Gonzalo had. Gonzalo: What are you doing here, traitor? Max: What did you do to Elizabeth in your house? Gonzalo: Why do you care? Max: Ok, enough. Policeman: Easy, now... or I'll take you to the jail. Max: You'd rather listen to me, Gonzalo, and you'd rather calm down, too. Gonzalo... Max: I'll make you an offer. Gonzalo: I'm not going to accept any offer. It's over: we're not friend any more. And as soon as I'll leave this place Elizabeth is going to choose me since no one would like to be engaged with a murderer's son. Max: Elizabeth is my girlfriend, and I'm not going to let you harm a hair of her and my head. Did you get it? Gonzalo: And how are you going to do that? Tell me. Max: Don't force me, Gonzalo... Don't force me to brake my promise. Gonzalo: What? What are you talking about? What promise? Max: I promised you not to let everyone know about a video you made with Rodrigo and Osvaldo. (Max: If you want to remove that video forever you need to press Delete) Gonzalo: No! That's not possible! I deleted that video in front of you. Max: Gonzalo... it seems like you don't know me. You can't remove a video just pressing Delete. Don't force me to use it. Max: Do you remember, now? Do you remember why Rodrigo killed himself? Do you? Gonzalo: You swore, Leo. You swore this video had been deleted and I believed you like an idiot... you're such an ignoble man like your father: you have inherited this from him. Max: I'm not going to defend him, Gonzalo. For me he no longer exists. But you're not such an innocent boy like you want everyone to believe. Otherwise tell me... watch me in the eyes and tell me that you've never killed anyone in your whole life. Tell me. So why do you remain silent? Gonzalo: You took advantage of the fact that i needed to hide myself from police only to steal Elizabeth to me! You were my best friend. Why did you betray me like that? Max: I love Elizabeth so much that you wouldn't ever do in your whole life. I am the only one who's comforting her for your abuses. Gonzalo: Elizabeth will be forever mine. She proved this to me when we met in her home. Max: Gonzalo, you're no longer going to see her. Gonzalo: She made me a very «reach» man when we made love. I knew she loved me. Max: What are you talking about? You raped her. Gonzalo: You can't call it a rape when a woman... (he said something i didn't understand) Max: You're crazy, Gonzalo, because this is the only way you can call a man like you, capable to do obscenities like what you did in this video with Rodrigo and Osvaldo. Gonzalo: Shut up! I was drugged. I wasn't in my mind. Max: Yes, yes... Gonzalo... see this: this is you giving those pills to Rodrigo and Osvaldo: the only proof the detective needs to lock you in jail for the rest of your life because of his son's suicide. And you know what? Forget my offer, Gonzalo. I'll do myself: I'll give this to detective Aragòn so that I can see if you will finally leave me and Elizabeth alone. Gonzalo: Dective Aragòn already knows that I gave Rodrigo these pills. I confessed myself to him and I also said that your father was the coward who made them. I'll help him to make sure that he's never going to get out of the prison. Max: And how can you be sure he's not just using you like you were an idiot? Gonzalo: What do you think it will happen when police finds out your father organised Elizabeth's family's murder? Do you really think she's going to be engaged to the son of the man who made her orphan? I think not, Leo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:08:31 GMT -5
Did anything interesting happen with either Ale or Diego Today
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 22:29:52 GMT -5
No problem
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Post by Zathras on Jun 4, 2012 23:29:17 GMT -5
I laughed at a comment on YouTube for today's clip: A hug...
a HUG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 23:45:59 GMT -5
I laughed at a comment on YouTube for today's clip: A hug...
a HUG!
oh hell no Yeah, that about sums it up . i know i did too but i also take it for what it is and you know he is going to end up with Alejandro in the end anyway |
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 5, 2012 5:58:07 GMT -5
Another hilarious episode....."and the oscar goes to...."
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 5, 2012 8:10:46 GMT -5
I gave up watching this storyline a time ago, but just out of curiosity, I saw the last episode. Considering that it's about to end soon, I really thought the soap would rush the story to give it some closure, but I was stunned to see: That Diego still repeats his father's mantra, that homosexuality is a curable sickness (he even gave Ale a book about it!  ) That Ale is still inexplicably around ( and chasing after) a guy like Diego  And that both keep on doing whatever shit is they're doing - because it was never shown to us- behind Nora's back. In 2012 ( and at 9 PM!), it's amazing that still exists a gay (?) storyline like this one Someone needs to pull the plug on this soap and put it out of it's misery Yes, please! |
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 5, 2012 8:26:27 GMT -5
Well, for all the people who 'hate' this show, they keep watching.
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 5, 2012 10:26:28 GMT -5
Well, for all the people who 'hate' this show, they keep watching. Just like any other train wreck; you know you shouldn't, but you can't help it. |
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