General Discussion - Holby City

[jjose712]

The story is interesting and the guy playing Malick is gorgeous.

One of the things that annoys me more about complaints is that in a lot of cases the people who complain didn't watch the show. I'm pretty sure here in spain there are people who complain too, but usually that doesn't make news. Even in the liberal Netherlands were some complaints about Lucas and Edwin sex scene, there are a lot of people ready to feel offended

[Difficult Diva]

Carl - I've got a question to ask of you and it's not about Dan/Malick and Holby City. It's about all the articles being written about the viewer "complaints" over ALL THE GAY that's being aired "pre or post watershed" on UK tv.

When James Sutton was on Hollyoaks as JP McQueen and he was shown having sexual and love relations with the following characters: Spike, Craig, the one night stand and Kieron Hobbs (RIP) were there as many viewer complaints during that time? I only recall the complaints from the JPC segment of the viewers who watched the show. Have those same viewers called in to complain about Brendan and the Ste storyline?

I find this to be absolutely absurd and pathetic that these viewers are just so damn outraged PURELY on seeing fictional gay characters being portrayed on screen. Just turn the damn channel.

[carld2]

Hollyoaks is on a less watched channel and isn't seen as a traditional soap, so people don't seem to notice as much.

[pemberley187]

Jun 17, 2011 8:28:36 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

Carl - I've got a question to ask of you and it's not about Dan/Malick and Holby City. It's about all the articles being written about the viewer "complaints" over ALL THE GAY that's being aired "pre or post watershed" on UK tv.

When James Sutton was on Hollyoaks as JP McQueen and he was shown having sexual and love relations with the following characters: Spike, Craig, the one night stand and Kieron Hobbs (RIP) were there as many viewer complaints during that time? I only recall the complaints from the JPC segment of the viewers who watched the show. Have those same viewers called in to complain about Brendan and the Ste storyline?

I find this to be absolutely absurd and pathetic that these viewers are just so damn outraged PURELY on seeing fictional gay characters being portrayed on screen. Just turn the damn channel.

No people complain alot aboutEastenders as it deals with more 'issues' related storylines back in the 80's it had a long running character who was straight who had HIV that got a lot of negative comments.

Also complaints about violence shown on the show however the storyline over the baby swap this year got the most complaints in the shows history beating all the complaints regarding gay characters.

[Difficult Diva]

Thanks, Carl and Pemberley. I knew there had to be a reason why HOL always seems to not get caught up in the viewer complaints crap and with the baby swap storyline causing that much uproar, I can't even image how US based soaps could survive if they had their networks commenting on negative comments for baby swap stories. EVERY soap based in the US past and present has had numerous baby swap sagas.

[pemberley187]

Jun 17, 2011 12:56:46 GMT -5 Difficult Diva said:

Thanks, Carl and Pemberley. I knew there had to be a reason why HOL always seems to not get caught up in the viewer complaints crap and with the baby swap storyline causing that much uproar, I can't even image how US based soaps could survive if they had their networks commenting on negative comments for baby swap stories. EVERY soap based in the US past and present has had numerous baby swap sagas.

Actually the baby swap storyline hit a nerve we had several women in the UK who were charged with murdering their children the child experts involved and their research was wrong and deeply flawed. One women even committed suicide after being released from prison (she was charged with murdering her two sons) and all this within the last 10 years so that's why there were so many complaints.

Regarding the gay storylines replying to the complaints I don't think it will change the direction of any of the current storylines they are just acknowledging the complaints.

[cheerios]

I find that baby swapping also hits a nerve because most people watching soaps are mothers themselves. From my experience living in America, where baby swapping is used a great deal, but many of the stories are unpopular. I remember the baby swapping that ABC did a few years back as a cross-over between All My Children and One Life to Live. It was planned to run for a few years, but there was such a huge negative reaction for the viewers that it was shorten quickly and dropped.

I find it sad that it is 2011 and we still have people complaining about a same sex kiss. I hope the storyline continues with the same direction it had planned at the beginning. I think that gay storylines and gay characters need to be seen and heard to have people become used to it like it was any other character or couple on a soap.

[pemberley187]

Jun 18, 2011 2:05:18 GMT -5 cheerios said:

I find that baby swapping also hits a nerve because most people watching soaps are mothers themselves. From my experience living in America, where baby swapping is used a great deal, but many of the stories are unpopular. I remember the baby swapping that ABC did a few years back as a cross-over between All My Children and One Life to Live. It was planned to run for a few years, but there was such a huge negative reaction for the viewers that it was shorten quickly and dropped.

I find it sad that it is 2011 and we still have people complaining about a same sex kiss. I hope the storyline continues with the same direction it had planned at the beginning. I think that gay storylines and gay characters need to be seen and heard to have people become used to it like it was any other character or couple on a soap.

Yeah I agree baby swapping idea should have been left on the ideas meeting floor but they have finished it now.

Digital Spy pointed out that there 125 complaints about Christian and Syed and 77 positive comments and you have to remember Eastenders regularly gets over 7 million viewers. Not sure about the viewing figures for Holby City but again its in the millions so I don't think the complaints will affect either storyline greatly.

[cjworrell88]

having one of those days can't be bothered to write the appriopate part

www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s19/holby-city/interviews/a325661/myar-craig-brown-holby-city-series-producer.html

[Difficult Diva]

Jun 19, 2011 13:29:05 GMT -5 cjworrell88 said:

having one of those days can't be bothered to write the appriopate part

Thanks for posting the link. I do hope that the show has something (or someone) ready in the future, to focus on Malick's life as a strong, confident and intelligent gay man.

[HQ75]

List of Holby City Episodes featuring our beautiful, out, gay bad boy Antoine Malick

You can watch Eps on "TheAmeey" channel on YT, just search the episode title (usually in 4 parts)

(I love the full episodes and I'm madly in love with Olga!!)

1 Running the Gauntlet (4 January 2011) - Antoine Malick
2 China in Your Hands (11 January 2011) - Antoine Malick
3 My Hero (18 January 2011) - Antoine Malick
4 Love Thy Neighbour (1 February 2011) - Antoine Malick
5 Anger Management (8 February 2011) - Antoine Malick
6 Blue Valentine (15 February 2011) - Antoine Malick
7 No Credit, No Blame (1 March 2011) - Antoine Malick
8 What You Mean by Home (8 March 2011) - Antoine Malick
9 Too Much Monkey Business (15 March 2011) - Antoine Malick
10 Coming Second (5 April 2011) - Antoine Malick
11 Boy Valentine, Girl Valentine (12 April 2011) - Antoine Malick
12 Rebound (19 April 2011) - Antoine Malick
13 Crossing the Line (26 April 2011) - Antoine Malick
14 Tunnel Vision (3 May 2011) - Antoine Malick
15 My Bad (10 May 2011) - Antoine Malick
16 Step on Up (17 May 2011) - Antoine Malick
17 A Greater Good (24 May 2011) - Antoine Malick
18 Damage Control (31 May 2011) - Antoine Malick
19 All About Me (14 June 2011) - Antoine Malick
20 In Between Days (21 June 2011) - Antoine Malick

;D ;D ;D

[talula]

how nice to see this show on front page, woot! woot!
Malick is such a great character, love him

[HQ75]

YEAH BABY!
FRONT PAGE HOLLER!! ;D ;D ;D

I'm watching every episode he's appeared in. He's kind of awesomely ferocious but also such a sweetie with patients.

Frieda and Malick are officially my favorite characters! With Eddie being a close third.

[cheerios]

I love the fact that Malick, Dan, and Chrissie are all strong characters played by strong actors. Oh I'm so excited about this story, especially now that it gets front page.

[jjose712]

I agree. In fact i really love that Chrissie is such likeable character, that makes the love triangle more interesting.
I like the fact that we don't know the Dan and Malick's feeling for each other, we know that Dan is atracted for Malick (and he hates that fact) but nothing more, so the storyline is really open

[HQ75]

I don't think the story is really going to be about Dan having feelings for Malick highlight to read --> (at least not according to the producer of the show) so hopefully there won't be some long drawn out coming out story for Dan.
But we'll have to wait and see.

I HIGHLY recommend folks going back and watching all the episodes with Malick before Dan appears because it gives you so much more insight into him as a man and his relationship to other characters.

From what I've seen, Chrissie and Malick were friends first (before Dan came along) and they actually are a lot alike, lol so their friendship makes sense.

[cheerios]

I hope the writers concentrate first and foremost on making this a good strong story that shows everyone talents. I really hope it's not the same cliche story we have seen a thousands times before. But I have hope that it's going to go well, I really like all the characters on the show that I have seen so far.

[kevvoi]

Episode 4 courtesy of Anthony:

Part 1:



Part 2:

[HQ75]

Dan is such a selfish jerk. It was one kiss and he's freaking out like he killed someone. Malick doesn't want him. Dan needs an ass-whipping and Chrissie needs to get her head in the game if she wants that promotion and tell Dan to keep it in his pants. She's not my favorite of the nurses (she can be just as much of hot head as Dan and Malick and she doesn't treat Frieda with the respect she deserves) but she is TOO GOOD for Dan.
I don't care whether Dan is or isn't gay, he's definitely not a good man. He is constantly putting his personal feelings above the care of his patients.

[eleatic]

Urgh Dan is just awful, so selfish and having just read more detailed spoilers for next week (which i've put in the spoiler thread) he is only going to get worse. Malick can do soooo much better and Chrissie for that matter, poor girl.

[cheerios]

I really hope the writers make Dan redeemable in some way, he's been behaving so horribly not only with Chrissie and Malick, but with his patients. Dan needs to get over himself, yes he kissed another man and seems to be attracted to him as well. But he's not a child throwing a tantrum, he's a grown man who needs to stand up and take responsibility. I understand it's hard for him, since he's clings so heavily to one way of thinking about his life. But his behavior has started hurting people and puts his patients in danger then he's in the wrong.

[pemberley187]

Jun 29, 2011 22:22:05 GMT -5 cheerios said:

I really hope the writers make Dan redeemable in some way, he's been behaving so horribly not only with Chrissie and Malick, but with his patients. Dan needs to get over himself, yes he kissed another man and seems to be attracted to him as well. But he's not a child throwing a tantrum, he's a grown man who needs to stand up and take responsibility. I understand it's hard for him, since he's clings so heavily to one way of thinking about his life. But his behavior has started hurting people and puts his patients in danger then he's in the wrong.

Dan is deeply in denial about his sexuality and his attraction to Malik as far as Dan can see is everything he hates about himself and sadly when people are in that kind of head space they go into self destruct mode and if they are careful when they come out of it they have completely wreaked not only there careers but also there relationships.

It makes for interesting drama and I am very interested in seeing how it plays out at the moment I hope he changes by degrees nothing too sudden but I really like the idea of him imploding.

I also like the pairing with Malik because he is someone who won't let Dan get away with things and will stand up to him with Dan in self destruct mode its what he needs someone who see through him isn't in awe of him or afraid of him it makes for an interesting story and great drama. With really strong characters love it.

[Difficult Diva]

Malick doesn't WANT Dan. So, all of this "keeping him apart from Chrissie" is just Dan's paranoia. Chrissie can definitely do better and I hope she's slowly realizing that Dan's going to screw up her chances at doing better in her job at the hospital.

[pemberley187]

DD one of the shows producers who has been on the show for in different roles behind the camera has said that this is not a coming out story so it will be interesting to see what they have planned. I do wonder what Malick feels for Dan apart from contempt.

[Difficult Diva]

At this point, I feel that's all that Dan deserves. He's making mistakes left and right and causing problems for Chrissie, all because of his paranoia. Malick's not out to destroy him, he just wants him to do the right thing by Chrissie.

Also, I would really hate to see a confident, smart and hot man like Malick wasting his valuable time, by pursuing Dan.