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Post by 0ldsouls on Apr 3, 2018 21:46:21 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Adrienne's idea for Will's first story for The Spectator somehow involves Sonny.... I would bet money on that being the case. The story will involve Sonny because they need a way to place Will back into Sonny's orbit. Currently, they're both seemingly moving on with their lives, but since this is going to be a love triangle with Will as the centre they need to establish the other half. The past few months were about building Will and Paul and I'm sure now we're going to be in for Will/Paul growing a lot closer with a dash of Will and Sonny becoming really good friends and perhaps Will second guessing himself? I can see the writers having them almost kiss and Will trying to distance himself, etc. Things soaps usually do in triangles to build angst. I think Will is going to stay with Paul for now; but we're definitely in for a revisit of WilSon. The relationship needs closure imo. Things will definitely get further complicated down the line when Will regains his memories (I'm guessing that it will either happen in the fall or next year). |
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Post by janey50 on Apr 4, 2018 17:53:37 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Adrienne's idea for Will's first story for The Spectator somehow involves Sonny.... I would bet money on that being the case. The story will involve Sonny because they need a way to place Will back into Sonny's orbit. Currently, they're both seemingly moving on with their lives, but since this is going to be a love triangle with Will as the centre they need to establish the other half. The past few months were about building Will and Paul and I'm sure now we're going to be in for Will/Paul growing a lot closer with a dash of Will and Sonny becoming really good friends and perhaps Will second guessing himself? I can see the writers having them almost kiss and Will trying to distance himself, etc. Things soaps usually do in triangles to build angst. I think Will is going to stay with Paul for now; but we're definitely in for a revisit of WilSon. The relationship needs closure imo. Things will definitely get further complicated down the line when Will regains his memories (I'm guessing that it will either happen in the fall or next year). I heard he gets his memory back next month. Not sure how true that is. I wish they were on more than once a week. This storyline is soooo slow...🤔 |
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Post by elliot on Apr 5, 2018 3:59:27 GMT -5
Sonny actually has a SL that involves more than one room, one other person and repetitive dialogue which is why he's started popping up more in the spoilers.
My feeling is that now Will has been put back in to Sonny's orbit, they will be sharing more scenes, which will hopefully allow them to start connecting as friends. Which is exactly what happened back in the day.
As for Will getting his memory back soon, nothing has been confirmed but it is hard to believe that this situation, where he hasn't had as much as a flashback since October last year, could be dragged on past May sweeps or, heaven forbid, past summer sweeps in July/August.
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Post by 0ldsouls on Apr 5, 2018 5:04:44 GMT -5
Sonny actually has a SL that involves more than one room, one other person and repetitive dialogue which is why he's started popping up more in the spoilers. My feeling is that now Will has been put back in to Sonny's orbit, they will be sharing more scenes, which will hopefully allow them to start connecting as friends. Which is exactly what happened back in the day. As for Will getting his memory back soon, nothing has been confirmed but it is hard to believe that this situation, where he hasn't had as much as a flashback since October last year, could be dragged on past May sweeps or, heaven forbid, past summer sweeps in July/August. This isn't a storyline. It is clearly a plot device to create the other half of the triangle. Sonny has one set and visits others? the K mansion, HTS and the D mansion. All shared by other characters; the show cannot afford new sets; especially for a supporting character. It all comes back to Will being the lead. They need to set up a situation where Will gets pulled back into Sonny's orbit because Sonny has proven to not be able to carry independent storylines. Both he and Paul are reactionary supporting characters that only work with a strong lead (Will). Which is why both are getting more screen time since essentially their "story" or reason for existing on the show has been brought back to life. |
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Post by elliot on Apr 5, 2018 8:32:04 GMT -5
A storyline is basically a plot in narrative form. A narrative is a story involving characters, plot, setting, conflict and an eventual resolution.
Vivian has launched a vendetta against Victor and the Kiriakis family because she and Victor were once married and have a very bad history going back years and Victor recently rejected her advances. Vivian also hates Maggie and once tried to bury her alive, not to mention attempting to kill Maggie's granddaughter Melanie. Vivian also has her eyes on Titan and has engaged the services of Leo to distract/manipulate Sonny, who is a Kiriakis and the CEO of Titan. Sonny is just out of a divorce and looking to move on. He has connected with Leo and has no idea he is being manipulated. Meanwhile it is not clear what Leo and Vivian are plotting and it is not clear if Leo is completely onboard with Vivian. This is a storyline and a subplot, neither of which has anything to do with Will.
A plot device is an object or person used to move the story forward.
Paul has been engaged to spy on Vivian and will probably uncover her scheme against Sonny. He will likely inform Sonny which in turn affects Sonny's storyline. Thus Paul is a plot device.
Will returned from the dead with amnesia and rejected his husband Sonny. Will and Sonny are freshly divorced and both have seemingly moved on with different partners. However, Will has been employed by Adrienne to work at the Spectator as a beat reporter. This will likely put Will and Sonny in each other's orbit forcing them to interact, which in turn moves the Will/Sonny (not Sonny/Leo) storyline forward. So Will's job is a plot device. The Sonny/Leo storyline can only be affected if, as a result of his new job, Will becomes aware of what Leo is up to and actively tries to do something about it.
While the storylines involve some of the same characters, they exist as stand-alones. Thus the Vivian/Kiriakis/Sonny storyline can progress without Paul or Will's involvement. And Will and Sonny's storyline is separate and distinct from the Vivian/Sonny/Leo story.
It is inaccurate to describe Sonny as a reactionary character. Reactionary characters are deathly boring, as their only function is to react to whatever is happening to them. Check out Fanny Price in Jane Austen's Mansfield Park who suffers silently for years and waits patiently for the man she loves to notice her and in the process does absolutely nothing proactive to change the course of her life. When Sonny returned to Salem he had all kinds of goals that had nothing to do with Will. He wanted to continue on in college and does so. He wanted an end to the conflict between the Kiriakis and the Dimeras and with Chad's help achieved that goal. He wanted to run his own business and without any help from Will does just that. He wanted Will to be true to himself and helps him to achieve that goal. Years later when he hears Will might be alive, Sonny stops his wedding to Paul and makes a determined effort to find Will. Sonny then dumps Paul to be with Will. When Will rejects him, Sonny signs the divorce papers and makes a determined effort to move on. That all adds up to Sonny being proactive. And it's not a great leap to assume that when Sonny finds out that he has been played by Vivian and Leo, he will exact his own vengeance.
That all adds up to Sonny being proactive rather than reactionary. The only character who is reactionary is Paul.
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Post by 0ldsouls on Apr 5, 2018 9:53:57 GMT -5
A storyline is basically a plot in narrative form. A narrative is a story involving characters, plot, setting, conflict and an eventual resolution. Vivian has a launched a vendetta against Victor and the Kiriakis family because she and Victor were once married and have a very bad history going back years and Victor recently rejected her advances. Vivian also hates Maggie and once tried to bury her alive, not to mention attempting to kill Maggie's granddaughter Melanie. Vivian also has her eyes on Titan and has engaged the services of Leo to distract/manipulate Sonny. Sonny is just out of a divorce and looking to move on. He has connected with Leo and has no idea he is being manipulated. Meanwhile it is not clear what Leo and Vivian are plotting and it is not clear if Leo is completely onboard with Vivian. This is a storyline and a subplot, neither of which has anything to do with Will. A plot device is an object or person used to move the story forward. Paul has been engaged to spy on Vivian and will probably uncover her scheme against Sonny. He will likely inform Sonny which in turn affects Sonny's storyline. Thus Paul is a plot device. Will returned from the dead with amnesia and rejected his husband Sonny. Will and Sonny are freshly divorced and both have seemingly moved on with different partners. However, Will has been employed by Adrienne to work at the Spectator as a beat reporter. This will likely put Will and Sonny in each other's orbit forcing them to interact, which in turn moves the Will/Sonny (not Sonny/Leo) storyline forward. So Will's job is a plot device. The Sonny/Leo storyline can only be affected if Will becomes aware of what is going on and actively tries to do something about it. While the storylines involve some of the same characters, they exist as stand-alones. Thus the Vivian/Kiriakis/Sonny storyline can progress without Paul or Will's involvement. And Will and Sonny's storyline is separate and distinct from the Vivian/Sonny/Leo story. Reactionary characters are deathly boring, as their only function is to react to whatever is happening to them. Check out Fanny Price in Jane Austen's Mansfield Park who suffers silently for years and waits patiently for the man she loves to notice her. She does absolutely nothing proactive to change the course of her life. When Sonny returned to Salem he had all kinds of goals that had nothing to do with Will. He wanted to continue on in college, he wanted an end to the conflict between the KIriakis and the Dimeras and he wanted to run his own business. When he hears Will might be alive Sonny stops the wedding and makes a determined effort to find Will. Sonny then dumps Paul to be with Will. When Will rejects him, Sonny signs the divorce papers but makes a determined effort to move on. When Sonny finds out that he has been played by Vivian and Leo it is highly unlikely that he will simply sit in a corner and weep about his bad luck. Oh, I'm sure we're going to be in for some of FS's bad acting, pretending to be some sort of "bad boy", maybe similar to his equally embarrassing mobster persona from the summer? Personally, what I think is going to happen is Sonny is be devastated and by this time Will is going to tentatively back in his life, they'll probably have them being friends at this point and Sonny will lean on Will to get through it; causing them to grow closer and thus starting the other half of the triangle. The writing is on the wall. I think Will is going to remain with Paul while he and Sonny bond but I'm sure it will lead to conflict down the line if Will develops feelings. Right now, Will and Paul are almost completely solidified as a strong end of the triangle, so now it's Sonny's turn. There's no "triangle" if Will doesn't want to be around Sonny or keeps avoiding him. It's already starting with Will asking Paul about Leo/Sonny yesterday and and looking conflicted a week ago over Sonny leaving.I'm happy for the triangle games to begin. |
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Post by elliot on Apr 5, 2018 10:18:56 GMT -5
^^^^No. Will and Paul are not solidified as a couple. Barely anyone knows that they are together. They have not interacted with anyone else as a couple and that includes Will's own daughter.
As a couple they have not had to overcome any obstacles, either internal or external. As a couple they've had no SL of their own. They don't even have a solid basis for why they are together, other than to act as an obstacle to the Will and Sonny storyline.
On top of that, every time they appear on screen it's in conjunction with Sonny, or there is heavy foreshadowing about the near future, such as the constant comparisons to the Justin/Adrienne pairing. That is to remind the audience that they are not a solid couple.
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Post by 0ldsouls on Apr 5, 2018 10:33:28 GMT -5
^^^^No. Will and Paul are not solidified as a couple. Barely anyone knows that they are together. They have not interacted with anyone else as a couple and that includes Will's own daughter. As a couple they have not had to overcome any obstacles, either internal or external. As a couple they've had no SL of their own. They don't even have a solid basis for why they are together, other than to act as an obstacle to the Will and Sonny storyline. On top of that, every time they appear on screen it's in conjunction with Sonny, or there is heavy foreshadowing about the near future, such as the constant comparisons to the Justin/Adrienne pairing. That is to remind the audience that they are not a solid couple. I said "almost completely" solidified, but I know you want to push your Will and Sonny narrative, so continue I guess? They all appear together because they're literally a part of the same stories. It's building up with Will torn between both boys. So of course it's going to foreshadow Sonny and Will; they're going to reunite, even if the writers choose not to keep Will with Sonny (what I think will happen) it has to be done. The relationship needs closure, it ended too abruptly for both of them. Will and Paul will continue to grow closer as Will and Sonny become friends, by this time Will and Paul will be solid. This scenario is probably months away but it's going to happen. Will and Sonny compared to J/A? So will Will cheat with everything that moves just like Justin? That's not a couple you want your favourites to foreshadow. The only reason the writers are not breaking up J/A is because Wally is with GH more and Judy is focusing on her real estate career; thus barely any screen time. Will and Paul are in the honeymoon phase where everything is about them and their relationship and feelings, I'm sure soon it will branch out and people will know they are together. Will and Paul's story just started, you act like it's the end but they just started. When Sonny forced himself on Will back in 2011; they had no story as a couple, Sonny was simply riding on the tail end of Will's coming out SL. They didn't have another one together until the baby drama, another SL Will drove and Sonny benefited from due to being associated with Will. Will also had multiple adult arcs going on while Sonny remained a supporting character with the teenage cast. Will and Paul will get their SL, this upcoming one is a smaller umbrella one for them. The Leo/Sonny thing is going to end up being about Will with Sonny and Paul benefiting due to their relationships with Will. I'm also sure based on how much Chandler is filming the past few months he's going to be heavily involved in the upcoming summer/fall stories, and why wouldn't he? He has been driving stores since 2010 and Will as a character has been doing so since pre-1995. Both before Sonny or Paul even existed on the canvas as characters. Will doesn't need either of them but they both need him. |
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Post by elliot on Apr 5, 2018 11:02:00 GMT -5
I am not pushing any particular narrative. I'm simply going by what is being shown on screen.
Onscreen, Will and Paul happened almost overnight. That is not how a couple which the writers are invested in would be treated. Time would be taken to establish them. They would face obstacles that would keep them apart. Over time they would attract a following. People would tune in eager to see if and how the couple in question might overcome their obstacles and finally end up together. It's what is known as the 'will they, won't they' scenario. The X-Files played with such a scenario for years with Mulder and Scully. More recently the Walking Dead had such a scenario with Rick and Michonne and of course that is the whole story behind Scandal.
We got none of that with Will and Paul, because the issue/storyline is not whether they end up together but whether Will and Sonny can overcome the obstacles in their path - Will's amnesia, Will being with Paul, Sonny being with Leo, Sonny no longer trusting Will - and still get back together.
We know this is the case because every week the writers do something that points to this being the case. So we get Sonny's dream about Will before the wedding, Sonny admitting that Will is his soul mate. Sonny's flashbacks to his life with Will while he is standing at the altar with Paul. Marlena calling Will and Sonny soul mates. Sonny declaring to all and sundry that Will is his husband and the man he loves. Justin assuring Adrienne that Sonny would not give up on Will, the way he, Justin, did not give up on Adrienne. Will's memory block responding to trauma. Will feeling a connection with Sonny but running away because he cannot be the person Sonny is in love with. Will hooking up with Paul because it is easier. Justin reminding Sonny, and us, that Will's memory block responds to trauma and telling Sonny not to give up hope. JJ telling Sonny not to give up hope. Sonny reminding Will, and us, that he is a serial cheat and warning Paul. The retcon where Will only had a ONS with Paul for a byline. Sonny giving up and moving on at the same time Will and Paul sleep together.Sonny's new man turning out to be a con artist meaning the relationship won't last. Will's reaction to bumping into Sonny at the mansion. Will telling Adrienne that, if he had his memories, he and Sonny would probably be together. Will's reaction to seeing his and Sonny's family photo. Will getting his old job back from Adrienne of all people, which is a step towards the life he used to have and spoilers making it clear that Will will continue to interact with Adrienne and therefore with Sonny.
The writers would not have resurrected Will and gone to all this trouble to establish a 'will they won't they' scenario with Will and Sonny just to put Will with Paul, especially when they can see that fans of the Will/Paul pairing have made it clear their preference is more about their hatred for Sonny than their belief that Will and Paul are the better pairing.
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Post by 0ldsouls on Apr 6, 2018 15:17:00 GMT -5
This is pure speculation but based on some spoilers and today's episode, but I wonder if Will's upcoming reporter story will have something to do with employee/employer relationships and affairs. It would also tie in a bit with Will's past and the fact that the show keeps pushing the narrative that Will seduced Paul for a story. It is somewhat similar to what Leo is doing with Sonny right now, in order to get paid. Leo is an employee of Titan for a reason, and the fact that Vivian was pushing Leo to sleep with Sonny and then Leo suddenly getting promoted and Sonny get a new secretary today, leads me to believe that Viv is going to use Sonny sleeping with a Titan employee against him in order to blackmail him. Which ultimately is going to cause Will to probably uncover the secret and not publishing the story or lying in order to protect Sonny. Gabi being jailed will also draw them closer.
Will and Sonny becoming closer is coming soon so I'm just trying to think where they're going with this, lol.
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Post by justinate on Apr 7, 2018 6:51:39 GMT -5
A storyline is basically a plot in narrative form. A narrative is a story involving characters, plot, setting, conflict and an eventual resolution. Vivian has launched a vendetta against Victor and the Kiriakis family because she and Victor were once married and have a very bad history going back years and Victor recently rejected her advances. Vivian also hates Maggie and once tried to bury her alive, not to mention attempting to kill Maggie's granddaughter Melanie. Vivian also has her eyes on Titan and has engaged the services of Leo to distract/manipulate Sonny, who is a Kiriakis and the CEO of Titan. Sonny is just out of a divorce and looking to move on. He has connected with Leo and has no idea he is being manipulated. Meanwhile it is not clear what Leo and Vivian are plotting and it is not clear if Leo is completely onboard with Vivian. This is a storyline and a subplot, neither of which has anything to do with Will. A plot device is an object or person used to move the story forward. Paul has been engaged to spy on Vivian and will probably uncover her scheme against Sonny. He will likely inform Sonny which in turn affects Sonny's storyline. Thus Paul is a plot device. Will returned from the dead with amnesia and rejected his husband Sonny. Will and Sonny are freshly divorced and both have seemingly moved on with different partners. However, Will has been employed by Adrienne to work at the Spectator as a beat reporter. This will likely put Will and Sonny in each other's orbit forcing them to interact, which in turn moves the Will/Sonny (not Sonny/Leo) storyline forward. So Will's job is a plot device. The Sonny/Leo storyline can only be affected if, as a result of his new job, Will becomes aware of what Leo is up to and actively tries to do something about it. While the storylines involve some of the same characters, they exist as stand-alones. Thus the Vivian/Kiriakis/Sonny storyline can progress without Paul or Will's involvement. And Will and Sonny's storyline is separate and distinct from the Vivian/Sonny/Leo story. It is inaccurate to describe Sonny as a reactionary character. Reactionary characters are deathly boring, as their only function is to react to whatever is happening to them. Check out Fanny Price in Jane Austen's Mansfield Park who suffers silently for years and waits patiently for the man she loves to notice her and in the process does absolutely nothing proactive to change the course of her life. When Sonny returned to Salem he had all kinds of goals that had nothing to do with Will. He wanted to continue on in college and does so. He wanted an end to the conflict between the Kiriakis and the Dimeras and with Chad's help achieved that goal. He wanted to run his own business and without any help from Will does just that. He wanted Will to be true to himself and helps him to achieve that goal. Years later when he hears Will might be alive, Sonny stops his wedding to Paul and makes a determined effort to find Will. Sonny then dumps Paul to be with Will. When Will rejects him, Sonny signs the divorce papers and makes a determined effort to move on. That all adds up to Sonny being proactive. And it's not a great leap to assume that when Sonny finds out that he has been played by Vivian and Leo, he will exact his own vengeance. That all adds up to Sonny being proactive rather than reactionary. The only character who is reactionary is Paul. I find your definitions of plots and plot devices contradictory in nature. First you say Paul is a plot device because he only serves to move Sonny's plot along - which suggests the plot would be stationary without Paul's intervention. Then you go on to say the same plot would progress nonetheless without Paul. Which is it? There is a clear contradiction here. IMO - Paul is not a plot device here because he has not been twisted out of character to make Sonny's plot work. (To me, a plot device is someone/thing that has been invented specifically to move along a solitary plot and has no longevity beyond the conclusion of that plot, or an existing character who behaves out of character in order to make a story work.) He is a detective, and has been for some time. Kate hiring him to investigate her nemesis Vivian is perfectly in character for Paul - as is his continuing to care about what happens to Sonny. He was Paul's first love as well as fiance twice-over. He's not going to let Sonny dictate his life anymore (which means he will stop being Sonny's doormat) but he isn't indifferent to Sonny's fate, which is what you would require him to be (plot device) if he knew and allowed Sonny to be taken for a ride by Leo and Vivian. Calling Will's job - the same job he had held for almost his entire adult life - merely a plot device is similarly disingenuous. If Will was suddenly being twisted into a pretzel as a businessman at Titan, then yes - by all means call it a plot device. Working as a journalist for his aunt's newspaper does not qualify. The awkwardness of also having his ex-mother-in-law as a boss is part and parcel of life in Salem, where everyone is related to everyone else in one way or another. If anyone is a plot device, it's Leo. His character has no longevity beyond this plot, and they have contrived a whole series of coincidences to make this work. First Sonny had to strike out with the bartender, who flirted with him one day but told him the next that he had a serious boyfriend, met through the dating app which he recommended to Sonny. Then Vivian, who somehow knew Sonny was on that app, managed to connect with him believably as another young gay man. And she just happened to have in reserve a Titan employee who's gay and whom Sonny would find attractive. Then most of their relationship plays out off screen, even the first lovemaking scene. No undressing, falling into bed together, not even an afterglow scene. Talk about plot devices - here you have it. But the simple truth is Sonny and Leo aren't interesting in and of themselves. How many people care for Sonny outside of his relationship with Will? Sonny only really took off as a character because the show paired him with the hugely popular Will and had him supplant Will as Chad's best friend. Hence, now the show needs Paul and Will's involvement in Sonny's story because they suspect that, otherwise, no one outside Sonny's hardcore fans would care about him being seduced by Leo at Vivian's behest. They can easily choose to give Will and Paul a different assignment: Paul could investigate Andre's murder or Jennifer could ask Will to write an expose about Stefan DiMera. Or they could have Derrick or Henry - characters from Paul's past - vie with Will for his affections. But the show wants to limit the number of gay characters onscreen so Sonny gets the plot device boyfriend (otherwise leaving him alone) and Will and Paul get inserted into his storyline to generate interest and move it along. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that Paul is a purely reactionary character but Sonny is always proactive. Characters switch between those states as and when the plot suits them. Sonny's original raison d'etre was to coax Will out of the closet and into daytime's first gay romance between two legacy characters. Hardly what I would call a proactive character with his own life outside of Will. There wasn't a whole lot to his ending of the feud between the DiMeras and Kiriakises - it was predicated on the show whipping up a plot-device friendship between Sonny and Chad, who prior to that already had a longstanding best friend in Will. (And that feud has been reignited off and on after that, too - so hardly worth the legendary status you've assigned it.) Sonny might have had business goals but he wasn't exactly successful in achieving them - he all but ran his coffeeshops into the ground and used money from his and Will's joint account to bail himself out without asking Will. And now he has the CEO's job due to nepotism, and that too only because Victor felt he couldn't rely on Brady, his preferred heir (since he is Victor's own grandson, not his brother's like Sonny is). Sonny leaving Paul at the altar was itself a "reaction" to the news of Will's resurrection; Paul pushed him multiple times to admit if he was still in love with Will but Sonny always sidestepped the question. He also "reacted" to Will divorcing him by hooking up with the bartender and then Leo. Paul was the one being proactive in those scenarios - first in convincing Sonny to date him after Will's "death", and then trying to get him to exhume Will's grave to see if he was alive or not, and then being the one to tell Sonny that Will was indeed alive, and finally deciding to accept Will's advances. But of course you can argue that Paul's taking the passive role - Will is proactively pursuing him (as well as a new job). We all know WilSon is the endgame, as much as I despair of it. So the show is not as invested in Paul and Will as they should be. But I'm glad they are putting some effort into writing and portraying their pairing ... unlike Sonny and Leo, which is a write-off from the get-go. So I'm going to try and enjoy Horita while I still can. Although CM is not anywhere near CS's level in portraying intimacy, at least CS is challenging him to up his game. When he's back with FS, it's going to be a total snooze-fest. I'm praying that will clear the way for CS to get a romantic partner who can match him, but I'm doubtful because the show won't want CS and another actor to upstage their pet pairing. |
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Post by elliot on Apr 7, 2018 7:22:24 GMT -5
I said that Paul was a plot device to push along the SL. John could easily be used in the same way. Therefore Paul doesn't need to be in this SL.
Everything in a SL is an invention, so a plot device is no more of an invention than anything else.
Will can't even remember his own name, his own daughter, or what he likes to eat for breakfast. So the idea that he can just step into the job of a beat reporter without proving to anyone that he can write so much as a headline is a plot device. Adrienne being the one to give Will the job and hand out his assignments is also a plot device.
Of course the bartender and Leo are plot devices. So is the Will/Paul relationship.
You are right characters can switch between being proactive and reactionary. And Paul is mainly a reactionary character.
Sonny did not run his coffee house to the ground. He and Chad redeveloped the coffee house into a successful club. Chad more or less abandoned the club and Sonny was the one who successfully kept it going. Sonny and Chad then wanted to open a second club but the construction deal turned out to be bad one which had nothing to do with Sonny's lack of business skills. Chad had no more money and Victor wouldn't help and in order to save the project Sonny used his and Will's money without informing Will. But then again while this was happening Will was in LA refusing to return Sonny's phone calls, presumably because he was too busy sleeping around. If Sonny had no business sense Victor would not have appointed him as the CEO of Titan.
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Post by justinate on Apr 7, 2018 8:05:41 GMT -5
I said that Paul was a plot device to push along the SL. John could easily be used in the same way. Therefore Paul doesn't need to be in this SL. Everything in a SL is an invention, so a plot device is no more of an invention than anything else. Will can't even remember his own name, his own daughter, or what he likes to eat for breakfast. So the idea that he can just step into the job of a beat reporter without proving to anyone that he can write so much as a headline is a plot device. Adrienne being the one to give Will the job and hand out his assignments is also a plot device. Of course the bartender and Leo are plot devices. So is the Will/Paul relationship. You are right characters can switch between being proactive and reactionary. And Paul is mainly a reactionary character. Sonny did not run his coffee house to the ground. He and Chad redeveloped the coffee house into a successful club. Chad more or less abandoned the club and Sonny was the one who successfully kept it going. Sonny and Chad then wanted to open a second club but the construction deal turned out to be bad one which had nothing to do with Sonny's lack of business skills. Chad had no more money and Victor wouldn't help and in order to save the project Sonny used his and Will's money without informing Will. But then again while this was happening Will was in LA refusing to return Sonny's phone calls, presumably because he was too busy sleeping around. If Sonny had no business sense Victor would not have appointed him as the CEO of Titan. If Paul (or John, or whoever) is not inserted into the Sonny/Leo story, it would be stationary. That suggests a shortcoming on the characters already involved in the story; they can't progress without someone else's intervention. Of course an entire story is concocted (unless it is based on real life), but whether or not it is organic to a character's established traits is the point of contention. Paul being a detective and Will being a journalist are organic, as is Paul caring about what happens to Sonny if he's dating a duplicitous dude like Leo. Paul and Will's relationship doesn't qualify because then they would be depicted just as Sonny and Leo are - with zero investment in their friendship or sex life. Will and Paul have bonded, went on dates and slept together (more than once). It's a different level of commitment and doesn't scream plot device to me. Still not ideal, but because they are inevitably a road-bump on the path to the blatantly telegraphed WilSon reunion, I can see why the show doesn't want to put in a whole lot of effort. I just watched Eric and Jennifer's afterglow scenes in the same episode and it looks like DOOL has a moratorium on love scenes. None of the couples are getting that anymore, so Will and Paul aren't being treated any differently to contemporary couples in that department. A shame really but I suspect Chandler Massey (and for that matter, Melissa Reeves) can't or won't rise to the occasion anyway. A pity they can't have JJ decide to turn to men after so many failed heterosexual relationships because I suspect Casey Moss would be up for it and could match Christopher Sean (not to mention the drama of Will and Sonny's cousin stealing their man, LOL). I never understood where Sonny became a businessman of international renown - he managed a coffeeshop (with no more than two employees at any given time and more often than not wound up serving behind the bar himself) and I'm not even sure he finished his college education. It was a contrivance to make him Titan's CEO, but then Victor doesn't have any other offspring on the show besides Ciara and Claire, who are not yet out of their teens. If the actor playing Justin wasn't double-hatting on GH as well, maybe he would have been a candidate and still made more sense than Sonny. Ergo Sonny's job (which is fueling the Leo/Vivian story) is the worst kind of contrivance. Will was not returning Sonny's calls while in LA because Sonny had made him feel worthless and there was another man who was flattering him and giving his ego a much-needed boost. It was only ever suggested that Will cheated on Sonny once - not every time Sonny was calling him up. |
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Post by elliot on Apr 13, 2018 10:49:21 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Will investigating the drug that Dr Rolfe used and Roger popping back up might lead to Will either discovering that Dr Rolfe isn't really dead, or that there is an antidote to the drug he was given.
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Post by sonia38 on Apr 13, 2018 12:53:06 GMT -5
Elliot, that dosent sound bad but If there in an antidote, would Will want it since the only thing he seems to want is Paul. Either way, I hope Sonny keeps his distance from Will.
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Post by elliot on Apr 13, 2018 13:00:19 GMT -5
I guess that is the big question. Is Will's new life living in a bedsit with Paul more important to him than the old life and bonds he had with Sonny, Arianna and his friends and family.
If this is how it plays out at least we'll finally get some real conflict and drama in this SL.
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Post by elliot on Apr 14, 2018 1:13:13 GMT -5
Very odd.
Paul and Will appear to determine that Leo is in cahoots with Vivian one week but the following week there's nothing to suggest they actually do anything with the information.
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Post by sonia38 on Apr 26, 2018 10:58:10 GMT -5
I wonder what rocks Will’s world. Whatevet it is, I hope it’s good and I’m looking forward to it. Something needs to happen to push this story forward. If his memory is coming back, I just hope Sonny tells him, he’s happy for him but he’s moved on. Will needs to know what he lost and hopefully he’ll work hard to get it back.
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Post by elliot on Apr 27, 2018 12:16:36 GMT -5
It's clear that RC is using May sweeps to move Will's story on but it just feels rushed.
So far Will has been more than happy to have amnesia and he's been more than content living with Paul and having nothing much to do with his old life, or Sonny. Then suddenly out of the blue on Monday, Will claims to care about Sonny, to think he is amazing, to be proud that Sonny wanted to spend his life with him, assert that he an Sonny would be together if he had his memories and to declare that Paul was not his boyfriend.
Meanwhile, after just two dates with Leo, Sonny claims to be over Will and to have no problem with him being with Paul. On top of that neither Paul nor Will think it necessary to warn Sonny that Leo may be up to no good leading to Sonny conveniently getting sucked further into Leo and Vivian's web, probably just in time for Will's memories to return.
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Post by 0ldsouls on May 1, 2018 13:22:13 GMT -5
I personally do not believe Will's memory will return this month; just due to the fact that it will probably be saved for a sweeps period (possibly November), which could tie into an Alison return since she was available to film around the same time last year. This month is too busy with the DID sl entering a new phase, baby storyline doing the same thing, and Theresa, Xander and Ben returning. There's already too much so I can see Ron milking it more. Especially using it as an opportunity for Will and Paul to grow closer.
I wouldn't be against them returning since it would at least stop people from thinking Will is simply going to run back to Sonny. In a recent interview with FS/CS/CS they talked about their instagram stories which were made during the time September stuff will air and they all talked about FS not working much with either CM or CS since they were both filming a lot together and FS is absent from the BTS stuff being posted at this time. Appearing infrequently on the odd day. This is most likely tying into their own relationship (W/P), the Jarlena wedding and the fallout afterwards. If Will was with Sonny he would have went to the event since Will invited him to the Nabi wedding years ago when they were first together so this wouldn't be any different. So it seems as though both Will and Paul are still together as of filming recently, so at least it will confirm Will seems to have a stronger connection to Paul at the moment.
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on May 2, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5
Spoiler Vivian fights with Kate over Andre and Vivian’s plan with Leo to take over Titan. They struggle for a gun and Vivian dies. Kate covers her tracks. I don't quite follow, was Andre involved in it before getting killed or is he actually alive? |
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Post by elliot on May 2, 2018 13:28:03 GMT -5
While Vivian, Kate and Marlena were imprisoned together in the Dimera tunnels, Vivian revealed that Andre had double crossed Kate and was in actual fact working with Vivian in order to steal money from Dimera Enterprises
Today Kate also learned from Paul that Leo is working with Vivian and that it involves Sonny.
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Post by sonia38 on May 7, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -5
Don’t know what yo say about Sonny falling deeper into Leo’s trap. He had know Leo for a hot minute yet he’s being taking in by him. Smh at the rate this story is going I’ll be in a wheelchair before Sonny finds a decent partner. I wonder if Sonny loses his job and that’s why Leo is getting a new boss. Leo just needs to leave town cause I’m not feeling him, he just seems out of place in this storyline.
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Post by elliot on May 7, 2018 12:08:47 GMT -5
This has to be one of the dumbest storylines in recent times.
Vivian manages to buy off a bartender who Sonny just happens to later proposition. Vivian then predicts that Sonny will sign up to a dating app. Vivian then happens to know a gay man who is temping at Titan. Said gay man happens to have student loans, despite the fact he is clearly in his forties, and is more than happy to prostitute himself to pay off those loans.
Sonny is rightly suspicious of the man's claims that he had no idea that Sonny Kiriakis, who lives in the Kiriakis mansion is associated with the Kiriakis family who own and run Titan. Sonny is also warned by Justin not to pursue a relationship with an employee. But it only takes Leo lying to four year old, Arianna, to make Sonny change his mind and consider Leo to be a good guy.
Meanwhile Will, who claims to care about Sonny and to not want him to be hurt decides not to tell Sonny that Leo is clearly in cahoots with Vivian. Instead Will believes that Paul will sort things out. The same Paul who failed to sort out the ISA problem and who Leo busted following him after about five minutes.
Now out of the blue we have Kate seemingly continuing on with Vivian's plan to use Leo to seduce Sonny and take down Titan. The same Sonny who was married to her grandson and who is father to her great grandchild.
When is this nonsense going to end?
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Post by Sharingan90210 on May 7, 2018 12:09:15 GMT -5
I believe the new boss for Leo is Kate since Vivian is dead she takes over what Vivian started Kate always wanted Titan and now she has a chance to get it
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