Spoiler Discussion - Days of Our Lives

[elliot]

I guess Chandler Massey had better take his three Emmys and chuck them in the bin seeing as they are completely worthless.

[jjose712]

Mar 19, 2018 4:16:53 GMT -5 elliot said:

Mar 18, 2018 18:11:27 GMT -5 janey50 said:

Here is my thoughts. For what it's worth. When they first said that Chandler massey was coming back I was so excited. Waiting the six months for him to air. Ghost will then finally they showed the real will. This storyline has been the biggest disappointment ever. It was so obvious when Will found out he slept Paul they were going to get together. I mean come on can this show get anymore predictable?! Will spent a total of 5 mins trying reconnect with sonny. Really..😠

Ok the way sonny dumped Paul was extremely crappy and I thought way out of character for sonny.i mean he acted like he wasn't even about to marry the guy he was so non chalant about it. So then will wants to be friends with Paul he says he can't because it would hurt sonny. I guess now he doesn't care because (a) he's lonely or (b) he wants to hurt sonny and he probably does have feelings for will now.

So now we have to go through this paul/will romance which I can't stand to watch. I guess it was too much for Paul to go out and try and find someone new. I hope sonny finds someone better than the of them. Ugh. Thanks for letting me vent!

It's puzzling that Paul's motivation in being with Will and his actions are not being questioned.

Paul has said he and Will couldn't even be friends because of their bad history. How is it now okay to be more than friends?

Paul has said he didn't want to do anything to hurt Sonny. Well, what could be more hurtful than taking up with the man Sonny sees as the love of his life and his soulmate?

Paul has said he wanted to stay friends with Sonny. How is that possible now he has taken up with Sonny's husband?

Paul has stated that he wants to be someone's first choice but does he seriously see a future for himself with a man who is missing his entire memory - a memory which includes the love he had for his husband and his desire to stay married to him. And what does Paul imagine might happen if that memory returns?

Paul has also stated that he is still in love with Sonny, yet here he is is gearing up to sleep with Sonny's husband.

Taking all this into account, Paul is either completely delusional, or a compulsive liar who doesn't care a fig for Will and is hell bent at getting back at Sonny for dumping him.

I think it's way simpler. Paul simple assume the truth that Sonny was not that into him so moved on.
It happened that Will was quite insistent in being his friend and the more he knows Will the more that he likes him.
Given the fact that he was attracted to Will the first time he saw him and now likes him personally and he is totally simple, well, why not date him.

I doubt he want's to hurt Sonny (even if that would be completely understable and very soapy) and i doubt Will wants to hurt Sonny either.

[justinate]

Mar 20, 2018 12:55:06 GMT -5 elliot said:

I guess Chandler Massey had better take his three Emmys and chuck them in the bin seeing as they are completely worthless.

I wouldn't go that far; what else could you use to bash your critics over the head with how you're the next Laurence Olivier?

Kidding aside, I'd argue that CM has form; his three wins might be seen as proof he isn't just a 'flash in the pan', that his win wasn't a fluke. Or it may be interpreted as confirmation bias.

The problem with the Daytime Emmys is they use a single episode of work to determine an award that ostensibly rewards outstanding performance for the whole year. CM put forward his strongest episodes in each of those three years (which I'll note weren't scenes opposite Sonny) and was rewarded on that basis. What that meant is he could phone it in the rest of the year and it wouldn't affect his Emmy standing. The episode FS put forward in the year he won was so awful it made me cringe and I cannot believe he genuinely won on that basis.

[sonia38]

^^Damn, did Freddy Smith steal your cat, your criticism of him is overwhelding.

Now Will is on the trail of a Hot story, I guess Adrianne gave him a job, too bad. He can’t remember anything but he’s still tenembers ti be a journalist. What a pile of crap.

[jjose712]

Mar 20, 2018 19:28:33 GMT -5 justinate said:

Mar 20, 2018 12:55:06 GMT -5 elliot said:

I guess Chandler Massey had better take his three Emmys and chuck them in the bin seeing as they are completely worthless.

I wouldn't go that far; what else could you use to bash your critics over the head with how you're the next Laurence Olivier?

Kidding aside, I'd argue that CM has form; his three wins might be seen as proof he isn't just a 'flash in the pan', that his win wasn't a fluke. Or it may be interpreted as confirmation bias.

The problem with the Daytime Emmys is they use a single episode of work to determine an award that ostensibly rewards outstanding performance for the whole year. CM put forward his strongest episodes in each of those three years (which I'll note weren't scenes opposite Sonny) and was rewarded on that basis. What that meant is he could phone it in the rest of the year and it wouldn't affect his Emmy standing. The episode FS put forward in the year he won was so awful it made me cringe and I cannot believe he genuinely won on that basis.

The ability of the actor to choose his best scenes is way more important than his ability to act. Van Hansis was amazing with very poor material in ATWT but he was not good choosing the scenes to submit to the emmys

[justinate]

Mar 20, 2018 19:55:11 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

^^Damn, did Freddy Smith steal your cat, your criticism of him is overwhelding.

Now Will is on the trail of a Hot story, I guess Adrianne gave him a job, too bad. He can’t remember anything but he’s still tenembers ti be a journalist. What a pile of crap.

FS didn't do anything to me personally, I am just not a fan. I don't see anything to be a fan of, neither in his professional nor personal life, but like I said before - to each his own.

After how hypocritical and downright nasty Sonny has been, Vivian cat-fishing him and saddling him with a creepy stalker (unfortunately, I recognize this to be Greg Rikaart's wheelhouse from his Y&R role) could not have happened to a better person. I hope it comes out in the most public fashion and he's humiliated that he was so taken in by a woman old enough to be his grandmother. Maybe if he had even an ounce of introspection instead of making it his mission to cast shade at his exes (who, again, HE dumped) this may not have happened to him. I just hope Paul and Will have a Sonny-free sex life before one or both of them has to save him from himself.

[sonia38]

Poor Sonny gets stuck with a con man who’s the other two gets all happy and gets to have sex and live in bliss. One of the days the light should finally brightened up for Sonny. Let’s hope this story is good.

[uranian]

I think the Paul Will thing had to happen in order to create an evil malicious Sonny to maintain the Kiriakis bad man throne, which is currently vacant as Uncle Vic and cuz are too in love to be doing the evil deeds. There needs to be a couter to the DiMera clan's reigning bad guy.

I can see some of the things talked about here happening. Sonny gets in over his head into something and investigative Will and detective Paul have to investigate and or extricate him. Set his fallen character back upright, etc...

I hope the two characters hold together as a couple beaming advice to everyone for a while. Then the show can blow them up dramatically a few times.

It would be nice to have an interlude where Will recovers his memories to discover that he is actually a Chinese courtesan of the Imperial court in the Ming dynasty.

[elliot]

Mar 26, 2018 6:51:47 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Poor Sonny gets stuck with a con man who’s the other two gets all happy and gets to have sex and live in bliss. One of the days the light should finally brightened up for Sonny. Let’s hope this story is good.

You're looking at it the wrong way.

Will and Paul have no real story. Getting together created pain and angst for Sonny but now Sonny has his own SL that leaves nothing for Will and Paul. No one in town seems bothered by the relationship and neither Paul nor Will are conflicted about anything. There's been no sign of Will's memory returning and Paul doesn't seem bothered that it might. As a consequence they've done nothing other than eat chocolate cake and gear up to hopping into bed. And once they've done that there really will be nothing left. Small wonder that they are only on once a week.

Now Sonny's SL contains all the necessary elements for a twisty, turny soap yarn. Sonny is determined to move on, however Leo has an unknown agenda. Sonny being hurt and vulnerable will probably miss or justify the warning signs and continue on with the relationship. As Leo is working for crazy Vivian, it places Sonny and Titan and possibly the rest of the Kiariakis family in real jeopardy and puts them at even more odds with the Dimeras. There is also Sonny's reaction when he realises what Leo is. At the same time, it's possible that Leo might actually develop real feelings for Sonny which again complicates matters.

Pound to a penny, Will and Paul get shoehorned into Sonny's SL, the way they were shoehorned into Steve and John's SL because the writers are clearly treading water with them until Will's memory returns.

[janey50]

Mar 27, 2018 5:52:06 GMT -5 elliot said:

Mar 26, 2018 6:51:47 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Poor Sonny gets stuck with a con man who’s the other two gets all happy and gets to have sex and live in bliss. One of the days the light should finally brightened up for Sonny. Let’s hope this story is good.

You're looking at it the wrong way.

Will and Paul have no real story. Getting together created pain and angst for Sonny but now Sonny has his own SL that leaves nothing for Will and Paul. No one in town seems bothered by the relationship and neither Paul nor Will are conflicted about anything. There's been no sign of Will's memory returning and Paul doesn't seem bothered that it might. As a consequence they've done nothing other than eat chocolate cake and gear up to hopping into bed. And once they've done that there really will be nothing left. Small wonder that they are only on once a week.

Now Sonny's SL contains all the necessary elements for a twisty, turny soap yarn. Sonny is determined to move on, however Leo has an unknown agenda. Sonny being hurt and vulnerable will probably miss or justify the warning signs and continue on with the relationship. As Leo is working for crazy Vivian, it places Sonny and Titan and possibly the rest of the Kiariakis family in real jeopardy and puts them at even more odds with the Dimeras. There is also Sonny's reaction when he realises what Leo is. At the same time, it's possible that Leo might actually develop real feelings for Sonny which again complicates matters.

Pound to a penny, Will and Paul get shoehorned into Sonny's SL, the way they were shoehorned into Steve and John's SL because the writers are clearly treading water with them until Will's memory returns.

Sigh.... it's awful. I have said it before but will and Paul =snoozefest. Really Paul with anyone. Yeah I see will and Paul both getting involved into this Leo investigation somehow. I was hoping that adrienne would tell Will to take a hike when he asks for a job! But I guess not. I wonder how long Greg Rikkart is on for??

[elliot]

Mar 27, 2018 16:14:35 GMT -5 janey50 said:

Mar 27, 2018 5:52:06 GMT -5 elliot said:

You're looking at it the wrong way.

Will and Paul have no real story. Getting together created pain and angst for Sonny but now Sonny has his own SL that leaves nothing for Will and Paul. No one in town seems bothered by the relationship and neither Paul nor Will are conflicted about anything. There's been no sign of Will's memory returning and Paul doesn't seem bothered that it might. As a consequence they've done nothing other than eat chocolate cake and gear up to hopping into bed. And once they've done that there really will be nothing left. Small wonder that they are only on once a week.

Now Sonny's SL contains all the necessary elements for a twisty, turny soap yarn. Sonny is determined to move on, however Leo has an unknown agenda. Sonny being hurt and vulnerable will probably miss or justify the warning signs and continue on with the relationship. As Leo is working for crazy Vivian, it places Sonny and Titan and possibly the rest of the Kiariakis family in real jeopardy and puts them at even more odds with the Dimeras. There is also Sonny's reaction when he realises what Leo is. At the same time, it's possible that Leo might actually develop real feelings for Sonny which again complicates matters.

Pound to a penny, Will and Paul get shoehorned into Sonny's SL, the way they were shoehorned into Steve and John's SL because the writers are clearly treading water with them until Will's memory returns.

Sigh.... it's awful. I have said it before but will and Paul =snoozefest. Really Paul with anyone. Yeah I see will and Paul both getting involved into this Leo investigation somehow. I was hoping that adrienne would tell Will to take a hike when he asks for a job! But I guess not. I wonder how long Greg Rikkart is on for??

Greg Rikaart started filming around Sep/Oct of last year which is why he is only turning up now. Rumour has it that he is only on for a couple of months, which would take him to May sweeps. However all we do know for sure is that he was contracted for a multi episode arc.

Paul suggesting that Will could still be a journalist and that Adrienne being amenable to giving Will a job is just laughable and clearly only there to ensure that Will and Sonny continue to run into each other as they did today.

[janey50]

Mar 27, 2018 17:43:15 GMT -5 elliot said:

Mar 27, 2018 16:14:35 GMT -5 janey50 said:

Sigh.... it's awful. I have said it before but will and Paul =snoozefest. Really Paul with anyone. Yeah I see will and Paul both getting involved into this Leo investigation somehow. I was hoping that adrienne would tell Will to take a hike when he asks for a job! But I guess not. I wonder how long Greg Rikkart is on for??

Greg Rikaart started filming around Sep/Oct of last year which is why he is only turning up now. Rumour has it that he is only on for a couple of months, which would take him to May sweeps. However all we do know for sure is that he was contracted for a multi episode arc.

Paul suggesting that Will could still be a journalist and that Adrienne being amenable to giving Will a job is just laughable and clearly only there to ensure that Will and Sonny continue to run into each other as they did today.

Darn I was hoping that he would be on for awhile. Maybe he is just on until if/ when will gets his memory back. I am soo sick of this triangle. It's already been done, let's move on!!!

Yeah it certainly is laughable they would give will a job considering he has no memory of being a writer. They must be desperate for journalists. 😂😂this show smdh.

[deepdarkmidnight]

Mar 27, 2018 19:24:52 GMT -5 janey50 said:

Darn I was hoping that he would be on for awhile. Maybe he is just on until if/ when will gets his memory back. I am soo sick of this triangle. It's already been done, let's move on!!!

Yeah it certainly is laughable they would give will a job considering he has no memory of being a writer. They must be desperate for journalists. 😂😂this show smdh.

Well, in their justice Will did mention exactly that point as he doesn't recall any of his professional life, but then smarty-pants Paul says that his "experience" and "skills" are all inside him (facepalm).

[elliot]

Rumour has it that Leo's bombshell might involve him needing a job which might lead to Sonny securing him a position at Titan.

Rumour also has it that Paul will find out that Leo is Vivian's paid crony in the next week or so and he'll try to warn Sonny who won't listen. If this rumour is true it's hard to see Leo's SL getting stretched out beyond May sweeps. It won't be easy to be a conman if the town knows that's what you are.

[sonia38]

^^ Seriously, Super Paul to the rescue? So tired of this. Why can’t Sonny figure out anything for himself Paul is always around the corner to save the day. From superstar baseball player to super dectective

[elliot]

As tedious as it see to see Paul play detective, which for him means, skulking about the HTS, it at least means that this SL is moving forward. If Paul finds out that Leo is employed by Vivian, it can't be long before Vivian's plot is exposed which must coincide with Will get his memory back.

[justinate]

I guess no one gives a toss about Sonny and Leo so we need either Paul or Will to become entangled in the story to muster up some level of interest in Sonny's love life. Would've much preferred Will and Paul to get a honeymoon period before they inevitably had to go play drama-stirrer for boring-ass Sonny and creepy Leo (Greg Rikaart seems to be typecast - I want to welcome an out actor to the cast but it seems like he only ever plays the same sleazy role). There was really no need for Will to get his job from his ex-MIL Adrienne, when Paul had already pointed out that Will's own aunt Jennifer co-owns the Spectator. It's pretty sad when Sonny needs his supercouple parents, his great-uncle Victor, his best friend (who was actually Will's best friend, but they had to reassign him to Sonny) and both his exes to carry him through his "own" storyline.

I'm amused by the description of Paul's career as PI consisting of skulking around HTS. There's actually been some degree of investigation and action portrayed on screen. That's a sight more than what the businessmen (and women) of this show do. Sonny's career consisted of a bad imitation of a mafia don's hairdo, LOL!

[jjose712]

Sorry, but i'm starting to find incredibly tiresome reading the same complaints again and again. This reminds me of Luke and Noah fans complaining about Reid again and again

Paul is hired to investigate Leo (i suppose someone gets suspicious of him) so it's perfectly normal that the one who is investigating him is the one who finds the truth.
Second, it's pretty obvious that Sonny wouldn't find a thing even if he finds Leo and Vivian chatting. He is in his teenage dream mode right now, and he was there even before meeting the guy.
I understand him being hurt (even if he really deserves it) but he used to be smarter.
And of course he wouldn't believe Paul, he didn't believe him when he told him Will kissed him either

[sonia38]

Paul as a private eye is laughable. From a rich baseball player to a private eye living in a one room hostel, that’s just such a joke. Why must he be inserted in Sonny’s story. It’s always super Paul to the rescue. I’m just waiting for him to put on his read cape and go flying all over Salem saving everyone. Excuse me while I yawn.

[shaunjohn401]

Know what I am sick of spoilers with "Will and Paul grow closer". If they had a story of their own maybe they would be more interesting. Paul being a PI and Will being  a reporter is so stupid. I know Sonny being the CEO of titan is stupid. Everything that has to do with Sonny is stupid according to some people. John locked both Will and Paul up for weeks both are bad at their jobs.

Vivian spying on Sonny is more interesting than "Will and Paul grow closer" for the third time in what two, three months. Will and Paul are the one being put into Sonny story not the other way around.

What else would Will and Paul have to do anyway?
I know grow closer.

Meanwhile we are still not getting scenes with Will and his family. I mean regularly scenes with his family not one every two weeks.

[elliot]

Mar 29, 2018 23:37:25 GMT -5 shaunjohn401 said:

Know what I am sick off spoilers with "Will and Paul grow closer". If they had a story of their own maybe they would be more interesting. Paul being a PI and Will being  a reporter is so stupid. I know Sonny being the CEO of titan is stupid. Everything that has to do with Sonny is stupid according to some people. John locked both Will and Paul up for weeks both are bad at their jobs.

Vivian spying on Sonny is more interesting than "Will and Paul grow closer" for the third time in what two, three months. Will and Paul are the one being put into Sonny story not the other way around.

What else would Will and Paul have to do anyway?
I know grow closer.

Meanwhile we are still not getting scenes with Will and his family. I mean regularly scenes with his family not one every two weeks.

It's a very big reach to suggest that the Vivian/Leo conspiracy SL needs Will or Paul to make it work. Vivian's plan is to get revenge on the Kiriakises with whom she has bad history. That has nothing at all to do with Will, who is legally no longer a Kiriaskis, or Paul. Leo seducing Sonny for his own ends has nothing to do with Will or Paul as neither they nor Sonny are even friends and Sonny's love life is no more their business than their love life is Sonny's. Kate could just as easily have engaged John's services to spy on Vivian, which would have made more sense considering how dangerous Vivian is and that John is actually a trained and skilled investigator. John and Vivian also have bad history. Jennifer could just as well be the one following what will be the hot story, rather than Will who can't even remember how to write a news feature. Jennifer and Vivian also have bad history. So the story would still work well without Will and Paul being anywhere near it. Will and Paul are involved because they have no other SL and to keep Will in Sonny's orbit.

While it has been firmly established that Sonny has moved on and is no longer looking back, Wednesday's episode showed us right out of the blue the beginning of Will's conflict, which lines up with a spoiler that was posted some weeks ago. Sonny acknowledged to Will that his life was not his, Sonny's business. Sonny then apologised for his previous behaviour and left the mansion without looking back. Will, having spent the night with Paul and having five minutes earlier claimed to be happy, was left alone and staring after Sonny with a sad expression on his face.

Later, during his conversation with Adrienne, Will admits for the first time that if he had his memories he and Sonny would probably be together. At the end of the scene Will is once again left on his own and is drawn to a picture of himself, Sonny and Arianna in happier times. Tellingly, these scenes are intercut with Paul informing Kate that they have all moved on and he and Will are dating. There is also no follow up scene with Will and Paul to explain that Will's show of emotion at the mansion was an aberration.

As well as introducing Will's conflict, the scenes also pose the question of where Will belongs. Is it in the dingy bedsit with Paul, a relationship which has only happened because Will cannot remember his old life, not to mention that Paul still loves Sonny. Or is it at the Kiriakis mansion where his ex husband who loves him and still wants him to be happy despite the fact he was forced into a divorce lives. The same mansion where Will's daughter has her own room and is being loved and cared for by that same ex husband who she regards as daddy and where his ex mother in law, who previously disapproved of him, shows him understanding and offers him the opportunity to once again do the job he loved. And where a photo of Will and his little family continues to have pride of place among the other Kiriakis family photos.

[elliot]

Mar 29, 2018 20:48:30 GMT -5 sonia38 said:

Paul as a private eye is laughable. From a rich baseball player to a private eye living in a one room hostel, that’s just such a joke. Why must he be inserted in Sonny’s story. It’s always super Paul to the rescue. I’m just waiting for him to put on his read cape and go flying all over Salem saving everyone. Excuse me while I yawn.

I'm not so sure that Paul will be the one to save Sonny. Sonny no longer trusts Paul or anything that he says. And really Paul isn't needed for this story.

Leo already seems to think that Vivian is crazy and he talks about liking Sonny. So I'm wondering if Leo doesn't turn the tables on Vivian and he and Sonny start working together to bring her down. Just my thoughts.....

[dmagiclight]

I wish the show would start bring back Will memory already I thought by now Will would start to maybe have little flashbacks or maybe dreams but keep it to himself for now

[elliot]

^^^The pacing of this 'storyline' has been woeful. Some things happening way too fast and other things, such as Will recovering his memory are taking forever. Meanwhile we keep being reminded that Will has amnesia but then asked to believe that it hasn't stopped him connecting with his grandmother, his father, his daughter and even working as a journalist again. The only thing it has prevented him doing is connecting to Sonny. Go figure.

On top of that, as shaunjohn401 points out, week in, week out the spoilers for this SL are the same 'Will and Paul get closer' which does nothing at all to move the narrative forward. But then again, I'm confused as to what the narrative of the Will and Paul story is supposed to be. Will wanted his divorce in order to live as a single, gay man but is literally living with Paul and spends just 30 seconds at a time 'bonding' with his family. Note that just this week, Arianna was once again staying with Sonny at the mansion because there is no room for her in Will's dingy bedsit. But presumably this matters not to Papa Will, so long as he is able to remain close to Paul. As for Paul I have no clue what his role in any of this is and why he isn't at all bothered at the prospect that Will's memory might return.

[elliot]

I'm wondering if Adrienne's idea for Will's first story for The Spectator somehow involves Sonny....