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Post by pru on Jul 27, 2011 19:24:35 GMT -5
over...there are no words.
If you wanna believe the bs that others are spouting that is up to you.
Why you would even think that Sonny would find T even remotely attractive or interesting is a mystery to me.
As for the actress playing Kinsey leaving it's about damn time. She has been on the show periodically for the last two years and not really seen at all, unless they wanted someone to cause trouble other than that she might as well not even have been on the show.
And her and T sleeping together...so? It's about time for that too. T has always had a thing for Kinsey but she never gave him any play and I think the only reason she does now is partially because of finding out Sonny is gay and she has no chance with him.
T is going to be the homophobic asshole of this story no surprise there, someone has to do it and why you are surprised by that and are thinking of all these other reasons why he is a homophobic jerk astounds me.
If you want to continue to believe that Sonny is going to end up with T, go right ahead, I on the otherhand know how it's gonna shake out so I have no problem with it.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 27, 2011 19:28:07 GMT -5
over...there are no words. If you wanna believe the bs that others are spouting that is up to you. Why you would even think that Sonny would find T even remotely attractive or interesting is a mystery to me. As for the actress playing Kinsey leaving it's about damn time. She has been on the show periodically for the last two years and not really seen at all, unless they wanted someone to cause trouble other than that she might as well not even have been on the show. And her and T sleeping together...so? It's about time for that too. T has always had a thing for Kinsey but she never gave him any play and I think the only reason she does now is partially because of finding out Sonny is gay and she has no chance with him. T is going to be the homophobic asshole of this story no surprise there, someone has to do it and why you are surprised by that and are thinking of all these other reasons why he is a homophobic jerk astounds me. If you want to continue to believe that Sonny is going to end up with T, go right ahead, I on the otherhand know how it's gonna shake out so I have no problem with it. Fine, we'll see who's right soon enough. I think there's no doubt though, because Kinsey's big story will be that she's hurt because T is gay. I you think Will is gay, then what do you have to say to Kinsey getting her big story before she leaves? what do you think that's all about? |
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jul 27, 2011 19:43:52 GMT -5
over...there are no words. If you wanna believe the bs that others are spouting that is up to you. Why you would even think that Sonny would find T even remotely attractive or interesting is a mystery to me. As for the actress playing Kinsey leaving it's about damn time. She has been on the show periodically for the last two years and not really seen at all, unless they wanted someone to cause trouble other than that she might as well not even have been on the show. And her and T sleeping together...so? It's about time for that too. T has always had a thing for Kinsey but she never gave him any play and I think the only reason she does now is partially because of finding out Sonny is gay and she has no chance with him. T is going to be the homophobic asshole of this story no surprise there, someone has to do it and why you are surprised by that and are thinking of all these other reasons why he is a homophobic jerk astounds me. If you want to continue to believe that Sonny is going to end up with T, go right ahead, I on the otherhand know how it's gonna shake out so I have no problem with it. Fine, we'll see who's right soon enough. I think there's no doubt though, because Kinsey's big story will be that she's hurt because T is gay. I you think Will is gay, then what do you have to say to Kinsey getting her big story before she leaves? what do you think that's all about? Overtherainbow I don't know exactly if its accurate but I was reading on another forum about Kinsey leaving that sounds like she might die at the "big event" the new writers had written. If that's true maybe that's her big story to go out with a bang? |
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Post by Ed on Jul 27, 2011 19:44:17 GMT -5
Kinsey could get pregnant? Kinsey could die? Either would be her story, her big story. If Tad were gay, that big story would not be hers, it would be Tad's.
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Post by pru on Jul 27, 2011 19:50:41 GMT -5
I doubt Kinsey leaving will be due to her dying or anything.
If you watched today's show then you know she has big dreams of being a singer and acting, she probably gets a big job somewhere like NYC or California and is like see ya. I doubt it is even that serious considering she wasn't really even on the show that much.
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Post by Zookar9 on Jul 27, 2011 21:00:25 GMT -5
Whatever Kinsey S/L is can't be too major or drawn out, Shelby has already fininshed filming and will be off the show by late September or early October so not that much time for anything too much I would think.
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Post by pru on Jul 27, 2011 21:46:54 GMT -5
Exactly.
She was a recurring character and I they didn't emphasis her love of singing and wanting to be famous for nothing. Money bet she will get a dream job either with acting or singing and be gone. It will be that simple.
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Post by justinate on Jul 28, 2011 12:31:23 GMT -5
What's got me worried is the downplaying (or indeed the complete absence) of the subtle hints of Will's discomfort to being intimate with Gabi. We had those before, then suddenly they explained it away as being Will's fear of becoming a young parent like his own parent. I would think that, with the introduction of homosexuality into the story, they would be playing UP these hints, not playing them DOWN. Seriously: Will has no reaction to Sonny being gay, and he's overcome his reluctance for intimacy with Gabi. He's talking about homophobia like it doesn't affect him in the slightest.
Then we have the spoiler for T and Kinsey becoming friends with benefits. Why is this relevant? These are two throwaway characters - we don't even know their last names! It's not a story that affects any main character - except Sonny if he and T were to have an attraction.
They made a point of befriending Sonny and Kinsey. If it's going to be Sonny/Will, it would make more dramatic potential for Sonny to be closest with Gabi before he hooks up with her boyfriend. And now comes word that Kinsey is leaving the show, but Tad the extremely homophobic jerk isn't. It seems to me he should have gone before her, because they frankly don't (shouldn't) have any use for him beyond a bigot. Gabi/Will are ostracizing him. Why did they bother giving Kinsey a gay friend and a boyfriend at the eleventh hour, and then have her exit the show? It's telling that they had Sonny tell Kinsey, and her alone, that she just doesn't know if any of her other friends are gay. It suggests to me that it's going to affect her the most, rather than Gabi.
I agree Tad should NOT be Sonny's boyfriend. He CAN be gay, but he's clearly a self-loathing one and taking his homophobia out on Sonny. That's not to say he can't come out, be redeemed and go on to have romantic relationships with other men, but NOT with the victim of his homophobic tirades (and possibly violence). IMO it is unfair to Sonny and flies in the face of the character they've been trying to establish.
While completely rewritten episodes only start airing next month, there are supposed to be rewrites or inserted scenes in the episodes already airing. I find Ken Corday's last interview when he says Will is merely "involved" in the gay s/l rather suspicious. As I said before, he is not the most gay-friendly man in the business. Showrunners with more gay-friendly views have bungled or not included gay characters on their show in any major capacity. Corday has been waxing poetic about returning to old-fashioned family values-driven drama, and he's said in the past that this to him excludes any gay characters or stories. With him regaining control of the ship, my doubts just increase.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 28, 2011 12:59:38 GMT -5
Then we have the spoiler for T and Kinsey becoming friends with benefits. Why is this relevant? These are two throwaway characters - we don't even know their last names! It's not a story that affects any main character - except Sonny if he and T were to have an attraction. Exactly! This is very true. I made the exact same points. The fact is that more and more points towards T being the gay one, and NOT Will. But whatever... I can't stand T and will stop watching the soap if T is the gay guy and not Will. |
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Post by bsgnut on Jul 28, 2011 13:11:23 GMT -5
What's got me worried is the downplaying (or indeed the complete absence) of the subtle hints of Will's discomfort to being intimate with Gabi. We had those before, then suddenly they explained it away as being Will's fear of becoming a young parent like his own parent. I would think that, with the introduction of homosexuality into the story, they would be playing UP these hints, not playing them DOWN. Seriously: Will has no reaction to Sonny being gay, and he's overcome his reluctance for intimacy with Gabi. He's talking about homophobia like it doesn't affect him in the slightest. Then we have the spoiler for T and Kinsey becoming friends with benefits. Why is this relevant? These are two throwaway characters - we don't even know their last names! It's not a story that affects any main character - except Sonny if he and T were to have an attraction. They made a point of befriending Sonny and Kinsey. If it's going to be Sonny/Will, it would make more dramatic potential for Sonny to be closest with Gabi before he hooks up with her boyfriend. And now comes word that Kinsey is leaving the show, but Tad the extremely homophobic jerk isn't. It seems to me he should have gone before her, because they frankly don't (shouldn't) have any use for him beyond a bigot. Gabi/Will are ostracizing him. Why did they bother giving Kinsey a gay friend and a boyfriend at the eleventh hour, and then have her exit the show? It's telling that they had Sonny tell Kinsey, and her alone, that she just doesn't know if any of her other friends are gay. It suggests to me that it's going to affect her the most, rather than Gabi. I agree Tad should NOT be Sonny's boyfriend. He CAN be gay, but he's clearly a self-loathing one and taking his homophobia out on Sonny. That's not to say he can't come out, be redeemed and go on to have romantic relationships with other men, but NOT with the victim of his homophobic tirades (and possibly violence). IMO it is unfair to Sonny and flies in the face of the character they've been trying to establish. While completely rewritten episodes only start airing next month, there are supposed to be rewrites or inserted scenes in the episodes already airing. I find Ken Corday's last interview when he says Will is merely "involved" in the gay s/l rather suspicious. As I said before, he is not the most gay-friendly man in the business. Showrunners with more gay-friendly views have bungled or not included gay characters on their show in any major capacity. Corday has been waxing poetic about returning to old-fashioned family values-driven drama, and he's said in the past that this to him excludes any gay characters or stories. With him regaining control of the ship, my doubts just increase. I'm hoping it's just sloppy, inconsistent writing and that eventually Will and Sonny are going to happen. On the Dutch show GTST, there were several episodes early on when Edwin had sex with his girlfriend without any discomfort whatsoever. Fans were worried the show was backing off the storyline but in the end, it didn't. Of course this is American TV, so DOOL is probably still operating under the mistaken idea that gay storylines must be handled with extreme care so as not to "offend" their delicate viewers, when in reality the vast majority of the audience probably wants to watch these guys get it on. ;D ;D |
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Post by peggin on Jul 28, 2011 13:42:54 GMT -5
On the Dutch show GTST, there were several episodes early on when Edwin had sex with his girlfriend without any discomfort whatsoever. Fans were worried the show was backing off the storyline but in the end, it didn't. They did it on ATWT, too -- when Noah first showed up, he hooked up with Maddie and they slept together, and there was nothing awkward or traumatic about it. IIRC, Noah didn't even find out that Luke was gay until he and Maddie were already an item, and it was a while after that before Noah started showing signs that he was attracted to Luke. |
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Post by Ed on Jul 28, 2011 13:59:38 GMT -5
While completely rewritten episodes only start airing next month, there are supposed to be rewrites or inserted scenes in the episodes already airing. I find Ken Corday's last interview when he says Will is merely "involved" in the gay s/l rather suspicious. If you mean the Soap Opera Digest interview with Corday of last June, this doesn't sound familiar. If you mean other interview I am very interested in reading it. At the end credits, Dana Higley and the old team still shows up. If a slight rewrite or change by the new writers was done, then they must be listed at the credits and they are not. Lets see what happens at the end, but this is getting way too stressful for me and the storyline is just starting. Sigh. |
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Post by pru on Jul 28, 2011 15:33:05 GMT -5
Take a few deep breaths gd and then just sit back and chill.
The story is going to be amazering, trust me on that.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 28, 2011 15:55:37 GMT -5
Oh god.. Will sleeping with Gabi. I knew this would happen. I was hoping not though  |
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 28, 2011 16:01:02 GMT -5
Well, i was hoping this will take a less overused path. To be honest, right now this seems like ATWT with Luke and Noah changing their roles (and with the advantage that Sonny didn't feel nothing for Will).
If they finally do the gay storyline (the pace is so slow that the proper storyline could begin in 2012) i hope they don't make Sonny fell for Will first, i'm sick and tired of the gay falling for the "straight" guy type of storyline.
Being positive, at least Will is not sleeping with Gabi knowing he is gay like JP did on Hollyoaks
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jul 28, 2011 16:01:51 GMT -5
Oh god.. Will sleeping with Gabi. I knew this would happen. I was hoping not though I think we always knew this would happen, on the plus side I think we'll get a much better view on what direction the story will take after this though! |
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 28, 2011 16:12:05 GMT -5
By the way the problem with the mention of GTST or ATWT way the handled the homosexuality of the supposed straight character is that both storylines were horrible during that moment.
ATWT storyline onle became interesting when Noah begin to struggle with his feeling, what happens before (Luke falling for Noah out of the blue, Maddie and Noah sleeping) was really bad writen.
And GTST was even worse. GTST is a very inconsistent soap wich is able to pass for horrible to great to horrible again in a couple of weeks (Edwin change personality a couple of times during his coming out).
Days is doing this storyline after a lot of soaps (more european than americans) did their gay storylines, and with the very slow pace you could expect (or at least i was expecting) they tell the storyline in a different way, or at least without using all the soap overused cliches of coming out storylines.
On the other hand, Days (like most US soaps) is struggling with the ratings, so pair a very secondary character with a newcomer, is only a waste of time that won't have any effect on rating. You can't expect people get interested in a romance between a supporting character who usually is only played for jokes and a totally new one (no matter how charming Freddie is)
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 28, 2011 16:13:30 GMT -5
Oh god.. Will sleeping with Gabi. I knew this would happen. I was hoping not though I think we always knew this would happen, on the plus side I think we'll get a much better view on what direction the story will take after this though! Yeah, I guess so  On the plus side.. it will be even more heartbreak for Gabi when Will comes out, for the virginity is important to women. Also, they tend to be more attached to their first one. So the story ought to be good when that time comes, because it should be even more emotional since Gabi had sex with Will. I have thought about it, and I don't like it, but I can just FF through their sex scene. I'm happy as long as Gabi doesn't end up pregnant. lol! |
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 28, 2011 16:13:58 GMT -5
Sonny is a world conquering, top of his class type of guy. Tad is a run-of-the-mill average kind of guy. Why would Sonny get interested in Tad? Sonny isn't sure he's staying long in Salem, so obviously something is going to get him to stay. He's going to stay for Tad? Please.
People are getting paranoid because we haven't seen Will's eyes linger lustfully on Sonny yet. Since a big part of the story, I believe, will be Gabi getting her heart broken, it makes sense that things will get physical between her and Will first. It's still very early, but already we can see Sonny and Will becoming close friends. A few more episodes and everyone will feel better, I predict.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 28, 2011 16:14:44 GMT -5
Oh god.. Will sleeping with Gabi. I knew this would happen. I was hoping not though I think we always knew this would happen, on the plus side I think we'll get a much better view on what direction the story will take after this though! Or not, JP sleeping with his girlfriend (i don't remember her name) gave a clear clue about his future, but Noah or even worse Edwin didn't get any clues at all. It's curious but this storyline was filled with speculation and doubts from the begining And one thing is for sure, Chandler played Will to be guy during most part of his performance (the Chad-Will scenes are pretty obvious) and he was playing that way at the begining of this storyline, but i don't think he is playing the character that way right now. |
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Post by md1347 on Jul 28, 2011 17:02:12 GMT -5
What's got me worried is the downplaying (or indeed the complete absence) of the subtle hints of Will's discomfort to being intimate with Gabi. We had those before, then suddenly they explained it away as being Will's fear of becoming a young parent like his own parent. I would think that, with the introduction of homosexuality into the story, they would be playing UP these hints, not playing them DOWN. Seriously: Will has no reaction to Sonny being gay, and he's overcome his reluctance for intimacy with Gabi. He's talking about homophobia like it doesn't affect him in the slightest. Because they slowed down the story. I think we will see the story pick up steam around the time Marlena and crew are back. |
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Post by Ed on Jul 28, 2011 17:02:31 GMT -5
Take a few deep breaths gd and then just sit back and chill. The story is going to be amazering, trust me on that. Thanks pru. A cyber-hug |
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Post by Ed on Jul 28, 2011 17:09:29 GMT -5
Even though the spoiler mentions Will/Gabi doing it (and I will be like this:  ), I am happy that Will/Sonny will spend time together. Probably Will will be all disappointed after doing it with Gabi. |
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Post by pru on Jul 28, 2011 17:42:21 GMT -5
The way the story is going is making me very happy.
Will and Sonny are going to spend quality time together at the ball game. I love that because they will be real friends before anything else happens.
I also agree that paranoia needs to stop so what Will hasn't looked lustfully at Sonny. Sonny hasn't looked that way at Will either. They have smiled and joked with each other and that is a good enough start for me.
Sonny is a classy, sweet, amazering, and fun loving person. I don't see him falling for Will first. I see it happening the other way around. Sonny thinks Will is straight and involved with Gabi. He is so not going to go there. He also is developing a friendship with Gabi.
And the last thing he would want to do is to hit on her guy. I just know Will is going to fall for Sonny first.
As for Will and Gabi sleeping together, that doesn't surprise me in the least. I can easily see Will not enjoying it but lying to Gabi and telling her that he did...this is just getting better and better.
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Post by Duskysoda on Jul 28, 2011 18:09:45 GMT -5
Even though the spoiler mentions Will/Gabi doing it (and I will be like this: ), I am happy that Will/Sonny will spend time together. Probably Will will be all disappointed after doing it with Gabi. My thought is that after Will and Gabi have sex.... Will shall begin to wonder why he doesn't feel as awesome as he should ... why he feels there is something missing emotionally and physically and so..... it all begins....  |
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On the plus side.. it will be even more heartbreak for Gabi when Will comes out, for the virginity is important to women. Also, they tend to be more attached to their first one. So the story ought to be good when that time comes, because it should be even more emotional since Gabi had sex with Will.
