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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 2, 2011 12:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 2, 2011 12:47:46 GMT -5
Ken Corday is interviewed about all the changes in the show. He's asked specifically about the Will storyline and this is what he says: SOD: Were any stories changed? Will you still tell the gay story with Will? KC: We didn't have to reshoot anything, but we had to rewrite three weeks of shows yet to air and chart a new course. We are telling a story dealing with the first gay character on the show and that had to have another look and the take on that had to be changed. It will be written much more slowly and carefully. It's a story about one of our characters coming to grips with who he is. daytimeroyaltyonline.com/topic/8522344/1/#new |
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Post by justinate on Jun 2, 2011 12:52:02 GMT -5
Really Ken? "Much more slowly"? How much slower can it get? And if Will is still getting to grips with himself come September, what are the chances of a gay romance?
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Post by tmjohn72 on Jun 2, 2011 12:56:53 GMT -5
Today on the show Justin and Adrienne mentioned an email from their son, Sonny. They discussed him telling them he is thinking about coming for a visit. I am still holding out for Chill, but at least we know some things are now confirmed (by the last few posters & them mentioning Sonny's name.)
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 2, 2011 13:03:48 GMT -5
See, I don't have a problem with this because the story is obviously going to be handled under the new regime and they are making changes to fit their vision of the show. If it takes a little longer, so what as long as they get it right and do a good job. I'm glad with all the upheaval on the show they are still choosing to tell it when they could have easily written it out given all the other changes they are making on the show.
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Post by tmjohn72 on Jun 2, 2011 13:21:36 GMT -5
If it takes a little longer, so what as long as they get it right and do a good job. I tend to agree, as long as it isn't drawn out to keep people watching. Also, the more realistic the better. I am thinking they might try to introduce a love triangle in the long run, but first they will focus on Will coming to terms with it. Maybe reminiscent of Luke's coming out process on ATWT with a relationship slowly folding into the story. |
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 2, 2011 14:11:02 GMT -5
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Post by dkp on Jun 2, 2011 14:19:27 GMT -5
First off, that whole interview with Corday was great & hoepfully him and the new writers can deliver. He said all the right things. I'm glad we have gotten official confirmation from the show about the Gay Will story, cause we still hadn't gotten it. I'm SO glad SOD asked about it & didn't beat around the bush, that's the story people were most concerned would be dropped. I'm okay with it going slower, cause Dena had a habit of skipping from point A to F, so if this means all the story beats will be played out & we are getting a much better written story, I'm all for it. Plus, you REALLY should have Will's dad Lucas & his grandma Marlena around & involved and now I bet they will be.
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 2, 2011 14:33:01 GMT -5
Well, i like the fact that Sonny will be out of the closet, that's a different point from other soaps. Usually is the main character the one who is out, and the new one the one who is closeted
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Post by dkp on Jun 2, 2011 14:38:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it is a rarity to have an out, confident gay character that doesn't have to come out of the closet. So I'm happy about that too.
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jun 2, 2011 15:01:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the article.
My thoughts on taking it slower...I'm ok with that as long as slower = More screentime for the S/L, at least 2 eps per week and actual storyline progression i.e no standing still in the same spot for months on end. If its written slower and still only gets a few minutes a month and Will is still in a state of confusion this time next year then I'll call it a dud now.
BTW after reading Ken Cordays comments anyone else think those rewrites may have almost completely centred on this storyline? I wonder what would have happened if nothing had been changed?
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Post by justinate on Jun 2, 2011 19:00:50 GMT -5
Hmm, I didn't think of interpreting the "slowly" comment the way some of you have. I was thinking of the pacing of DAYS in general, and Will's storyline in particular, which has been horribly slow as it is. So my first thought when Ken said they were going to write it "much more" slowly was that the story was already moving with all the speed of a snail strapped to a two-ton anvil. Ken also said that he wanted to spread the story among 15 castmembers instead of the current 30 (I disagree that it's currently being distributed evenly among 30 castmembers). I only hope that Will is one of the 15 and he should be since Ken claims to want to see stories on the Brady/Horton clans, and who better than Will who belongs to both? I really hope Lucas is one of the major returns hinted at; he has an important role to play in Will's coming-out.
Phoenix, from Ken's comments, I think there were definitely more rewrites than just the gay story. He hinted that he was not happy with, for instance, Chloe's upcoming story and I think that has been rewritten greatly. (Too bad I think it means the exit of hunky Bren Foster, but his character's potential had been ruined anyway.) And I don't think Ken realizes how awful some of the other stories are, such as Two Rafes and EJ/Taylor (he has been their #1 fan). Many faithful DAYS viewers have noted skeptically that Ken always makes these grandiose statements at suitable intervals but rarely follows through. It is said that he has little interest in the day-to-day running of a soap opera but occasionally checks back in only to, in the words of a soap commentator, "rearrange chairs on the Titanic".
I giggled a little at that SID blurb. So Sonny (or rather Freddie Smith) follows the soap staple of falling for two boys from the same family (Will and Jeremy are both Hortons).
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 2, 2011 19:06:39 GMT -5
Actually, the story hasn't been slow, IMO. It just hasn't started yet. Given the show's taping schedule, that's no surprise. I don't think it was really to begin until Sonny showed up on the canvas. The show seems committed to telling the story. I'm glad of that. I just hope the tell it well.
As for rewrites, I think it was not just this story, but the hooker story and Carly's story as well. That's probably what those three weeks focused on reworking.
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jun 2, 2011 19:50:55 GMT -5
Many faithful DAYS viewers have noted skeptically that Ken always makes these grandiose statements at suitable intervals but rarely follows through. It is said that he has little interest in the day-to-day running of a soap opera but occasionally checks back in only to, in the words of a soap commentator, "rearrange chairs on the Titanic". Haha Titanic chairs!, Wouldn't surprise me as someone has certainly been asleep at the wheel the past 5/6 months. Ken does seem to come out every few years with his interviews and plans to 'save days' but I'm more hopeful he might stand up and make real change this time with the knowledge that more than likely there will be no renewal come 2013 unless ratings are way up on the current ones. And ITA agree about Lucas, he must be a part of it. I've been concerned that bloody Rafe would have been the supportive father figure in all this and that would have severely pissed me off. As for rewrites, I think it was not just this story, but the hooker story and Carly's story as well. That's probably what those three weeks focused on reworking. If they throw the EJaylor mess into the rewrites as well then I'll be much happier! |
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Post by dkp on Jun 2, 2011 22:50:13 GMT -5
Actually, the story hasn't been slow, IMO. It just hasn't started yet. Given the show's taping schedule, that's no surprise. I don't think it was really to begin until Sonny showed up on the canvas. The show seems committed to telling the story. I'm glad of that. I just hope the tell it well. I agree. To compare it to OLTL's Kish, Kish was announced/leaked in June 2009, we got tibits over that summer, but didn't really kick off until August, Fish's coming out was in Sept, Kish reunited in Nov. So Sonny showing up June 23rd and new writers stuff starting end of August, I don't really see DAYS gay story going any slower than OLTL's did. To be honest, Higley was probably doing a hack job & new writers "slowing it down" probably means they are improving it. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 3, 2011 2:56:54 GMT -5
I think it's great we finally got the confirmation! I'm very happy that it's official now, and that they are committed to telling the story, and it seems like they want to do a good job too. They could have dropped it with these new head writers, but they didn't, and I think that's great! The good thing is that we also have new head writers now, who will probably tell a much better coming out story than Higley would be able to.
To be fair, about the pacing, I agree with some here.. I'd be happy with seeing him a couple of times a week. As long as he gets more screen time than he does today, but I believe they will give him more screen time. The reason he has gotten so little up till now is because they didn't really have a story to tell. But they do now, so hopefully that'll change. I don't mind a slow pace, and I expect nothing else, this is Days after all, the slowest moving soap there is. I really don't mind a slow moving storyline as long as it's done well though, as long as Will gets some screen time, and as long as the writing is good.
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Post by justinate on Jun 3, 2011 10:52:32 GMT -5
If they throw the EJaylor mess into the rewrites as well then I'll be much happier! Doubtful, since this is one of Corday's pet storylines. I am glad he is going ahead with the gay s/l and I agree the new writers should be able to do a better job writing it than Dena Higley, but it's important to know about Ken Corday's attitude and personality. People here seem relieved he is taking charge, and complimenting him for saving the show - it's a stark contrast to the reactions on other, regular DAYS forums. Most people are just rolling their eyes because he's said it all before, and never made good on his word. They say he'll lose interest in a few weeks and if he's lucky the new headwriters will pick up the slack. He's also managed to antagonize fans of Crystal Chappell (Carly). Louise Sorrell (Vivian) in her exit interview said that a costar had been (unfairly) blamed for the decline in ratings, and Crystal later confirmed she was the costar in question. Now Crystal has a huge fanbase, especially of gay fans - people you want watching the show when you launch your own gay storyline. Instead TPTB have pissed them all off, by telling Crystal that she didn't manage to make the character of Carly work and it's her fault ratings went down. Nelson Branco is in a major tizzy about the whole thing and foaming at the mouth about DAYS (he is probably the biggest Chill supporter among soap commentators). IMO, this was a very stupid, undiplomatic and completely baseless accusation to make against Crystal and one that will likely come back to bite the show on its ass. |
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Post by blake on Jun 3, 2011 11:44:48 GMT -5
If they throw the EJaylor mess into the rewrites as well then I'll be much happier! Doubtful, since this is one of Corday's pet storylines. I am glad he is going ahead with the gay s/l and I agree the new writers should be able to do a better job writing it than Dena Higley, but it's important to know about Ken Corday's attitude and personality. People here seem relieved he is taking charge, and complimenting him for saving the show - it's a stark contrast to the reactions on other, regular DAYS forums. Most people are just rolling their eyes because he's said it all before, and never made good on his word. They say he'll lose interest in a few weeks and if he's lucky the new headwriters will pick up the slack. He's also managed to antagonize fans of Crystal Chappell (Carly). Louise Sorrell (Vivian) in her exit interview said that a costar had been (unfairly) blamed for the decline in ratings, and Crystal later confirmed she was the costar in question. Now Crystal has a huge fanbase, especially of gay fans - people you want watching the show when you launch your own gay storyline. Instead TPTB have pissed them all off, by telling Crystal that she didn't manage to make the character of Carly work and it's her fault ratings went down. Nelson Branco is in a major tizzy about the whole thing and foaming at the mouth about DAYS (he is probably the biggest Chill supporter among soap commentators). IMO, this was a very stupid, undiplomatic and completely baseless accusation to make against Crystal and one that will likely come back to bite the show on its ass. I couldn't agree with you more Ken Cordayhas been know to go back on his word more than a few times.I think it is a crying shame that they are blaming Crystal for the ratings going down that really sucks.But I am a die hard fan of Crystal Chappell ever since I watched the Otalia storyline that storyline proved that this woman is a force to be reckoned with.Her and Jessica Leccia just nailed that storyline right up untill the end I've been reading on other message boards and people are very upset about the loss of Crystal Chappell.I will never forget what she said about the Otalia storyline she said thatt she was blessed to have this storyline giving to her. |
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jun 3, 2011 13:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 5, 2011 13:42:15 GMT -5
Some people over at AfterElton read that quote from Ken Corday as they will now stop with the gay storyline..?!?! I read comments saying that he will probably question being gay only to end up coming out as straight.. are they right? Is this bad news for Will's storyline? Is he still going to be gay? Is the only thing they're changing the pace, or will they cancel it all together? do they really have cold feet? Hmm.. I was optimistic, but now I'm skeptical again  |
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Post by ari on Jun 5, 2011 14:04:41 GMT -5
Some people over at AfterElton read that quote from Ken Corday as they will now stop with the gay storyline..?!?! I read comments saying that he will probably question being gay only to end up coming out as straight.. are they right? Is this bad news for Will's storyline? Is he still going to be gay? Is the only thing they're changing the pace, or will they cancel it all together? do they really have cold feet? Hmm.. I was optimistic, but now I'm skeptical again I think that some people like to be negative. Ken said the story is about "one of our characters coming to grips with who he is." I find it difficult to believe anyone would think that means he stays straight. If he's coming to grips about being who he is that sounds like he has to come to grips about being gay, something he won't want to be at first. It may take him a long time before he can deal with it. But, they are doing a gay story. The question for me is how involved will he become with another person, when they're ready to do the couple or dating thing. |
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 5, 2011 14:05:10 GMT -5
To be honest, better the storyline be good, because i'm sick and tired of all this drama non stop. They will or won't do the gay storyline, come on is not that hard. It's 2011, if they have any fear better not touch that, and continue with their declining ratings, but it's a little tiresome all this fuss about a storyline that probably will get little screen time, and probably will follow every cliche of coming out on soaps.
Crystal Chappel told that they are doing a gay storyline with Will. To be honest if they are thinking of doing Will questioning their sexuality to come to the conclusion that he is straight, they better not promote such a thing as a gay storyline, because it isn't.
The truth is we spend 19 pages discussing about nothing, because that's exactly what happens on Days till now, absolutely nothing. It's a pity that shows that are doing their gay storylines don't recieve that much attention
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Post by justinate on Jun 5, 2011 14:10:31 GMT -5
I didn't think that's what Corday meant. It really depends on the level of interference he has on the writing. He is known to be quite conservative; IIRC his reply (years ago) to an interviewer's suggestion that DAYS might try a gay storyline, was that DAYS was a family-values show. I imagine Will's coming-out will play out as planned, but I don't know if there's a gay romance on the cards. If Corday is going to balk at any point, it will be that. And here I am getting prematurely excited by the gay storyline. There is a spoiler/rumor that indicates Sonny will be in the thick of the action in August, alongside his cousin Brady in a gunfight against Chad and EJ as their two families/criminal empires go to war over Brady's attack on EJ. It seems Chad will end up shot. Can you imagine the potential if Sonny was the one who shot Chad: Will torn between boyfriend and best friend? There is no source for these spoilers so take them with a grain of salt.
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jun 5, 2011 17:07:42 GMT -5
Thank you justinate, I thought Corday had said something re. gay s/l's in the past but I couldn't remember what exactly which is why I wanted to get official confirmation on it because I never thought he would actually green-light it.
jjose712 made a good point we have really spent the better part of 20 pages and 3 months talking about next to nothing apart from rumours. I'm honestly at the point where if it happens it happens, if it doesn't well not much I can do about it. I'll just watch and see what happens, if they grow some balls, pull out all the stops and do great things with it I'll be happy and give them kudos, if they eff it up, well I'll be disappointed but again not much I can do.
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Post by justinate on Jun 6, 2011 5:48:09 GMT -5
How reliable is DaysCafe as a spoiler source? This is what they have up for two weeks ahead:
Justin and Adrienne's son is in town and comes across some of Salem's newest graduates. His name is Sonny and yes he is gay, just like Will.
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