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Post by jjose712 on May 27, 2011 14:07:24 GMT -5
I don't want an interracial storyline, i don't have any problem with interracial couples (gay or straight) and in 2011 it would be good that noone has a problem with them, but this is soapland, and there's a good bunch of soap viewers who live in the paleolitic.
Gay storylines in soaps generates controversy, and a gay interracial storyline will generate a lot of controversy, and to be honest i'm far from being sure that a soap that no give us a hint about their supposed gay storyline will have the guts to back their gay storyline when the heat hits them.
We have two recent examples on american soaps that are not thrilling, OLTL quit Kish after less than a year, and they blame them for the bad ratings (they had bad ratings before Kish, and the ratings were even worse after them), and ATWT give us an even worse example. Yes, ATWT didn't fire any of the actors (it would be very difficult to justify axe two of the most popular actors of the show, even i always get the impression that they tried to make Jake Silbermann quit, but that's my subjective opinion), but they never take profit of Nuke. Nuke were popular and they had a great impact on the ratings, but when the criticism begin they sent them to the background and they never come back. Yes, they had a lot of storylines through the years (a lot of them really awful) but they never integrated them on other characters storylines, and their popularity never matched (not by far) their screentime.
Will is not exactly on the show five days per week, the building of a possible gay storyline in non existent till now, and if the story creates too much controversy i'm pretty sure Will will be straight again when Fall's begin.
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Post by justinate on May 27, 2011 15:49:34 GMT -5
The rewrites/reshoots are more extensive than I thought. Apparently the cast has been asked to forgo "dark week" in order to participate in reshoots of episodes that were already in the can. Whether it affects the gay storyline remains to be seen. I wonder what they meant when they said that Freddie Smith would not be playing who we expect: not Jackson Kiriakis or not Will's love interest? Some have begun speculating that he will be Gabi's new love interest, and that while Will does come out, he won't be given a love interest.The buildup to a gay s/l has been very minimal, and mostly down to Chandler's acting choices rather than the script. IMO, the showrunners are trying to gauge viewers' reactions and keeping it safe for them to reverse the "unwanted" story direction if reactions are negative. Unfortunately, I am finding that, as summer (and presumably the launch of the gay teen s/l) draws closer, the number of negative reactions is increasing. It seems that, amidst all the bad storylines that have been previewed for summer, a large number of fans think the rewrites should focus on "killing" the gay s/l.  |
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Post by overtherainbow on May 27, 2011 17:32:07 GMT -5
Yeah.. I doubt this gay storyline is happening anymore. Too bad, because it's the most exicting and interesting storyline Days has had in years! Chandler seemed thrilled to be doing a gay storyline too. He seemed genuinly happy and excited about the upcoming storyline. So why not do it? It has been planned for like two years already. It would suck if they really did drop it. But unfortunately.. I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Days is a very conservative soap, and everything is up in the air at the moment. I'll give em the summer, but like I said.. I'm not terribly optimistic, since the gay storyline hasn't even started, and it should have started by now. This sucks.. on the one hand I finally get my soap back with these new headwriters, but on the other hand we'll probably lose the gay storyline.. it's already a huge controversy, and it hasn't even started yet! I think they're going to ditch Will's storyline. if they haven't already. I really do. I mean.. I hope they prove me wrong, but I don't think they will. They will only take the cowardly way out, which is to drop the storyline all tigether. I'm not jolding my breat for Will's storyline to happen anymore.
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Post by saffronphoenix on May 27, 2011 17:34:31 GMT -5
The rewrites/reshoots are more extensive than I thought. Apparently the cast has been asked to forgo "dark week" in order to participate in reshoots of episodes that were already in the can. Whether it affects the gay storyline remains to be seen. I wonder what they meant when they said that Freddie Smith would not be playing who we expect: not Jackson Kiriakis or not Will's love interest? Some have begun speculating that he will be Gabi's new love interest, and that while Will does come out, he won't be given a love interest.The buildup to a gay s/l has been very minimal, and mostly down to Chandler's acting choices rather than the script. IMO, the showrunners are trying to gauge viewers' reactions and keeping it safe for them to reverse the "unwanted" story direction if reactions are negative. Unfortunately, I am finding that, as summer (and presumably the launch of the gay teen s/l) draws closer, the number of negative reactions is increasing. It seems that, amidst all the bad storylines that have been previewed for summer, a large number of fans think the rewrites should focus on "killing" the gay s/l. I don't know? Where did you read all that Justinate? The two sites I'm following about these rewrites both of which have some fairly reliable posters haven't said that the upcoming 'dark week' has been cancelled only that the 17 episodes are been rewritten and I believe these episodes would not have been taped yet. I find it very hard to believe that a show that doesn't have a big enough budget for second takes or any overtime will re-shoot who knows how many scenes unless it is something that they absolutely don't want to see the light of day or they can't write themselves out of at a later date. Someone must be willing to spend up big if re-shoots do occur. I'm confused on this whole Freddie Smith thing, all I'll say is if he not Kiriakis nor love interest for Will and just a run of the mill straight guy for Gabi why all the secrecy regarding his casting? apparently he's been taping since early April and two months later the show too my knowledge have said nothing? Odd. Last thing, I find it sad that out of all the dreck written for Days; Carly the Druggie, Chloe the prostitute, EJ/Taylor, Double Rafes and the follow up of it. This story which has had all of 4 mins screentime and may have been good if allowed to play out is the one viewers want gone. |
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Post by Zathras on May 27, 2011 18:36:01 GMT -5
Wow. I've been reading along a bit for a while, but haven't thought about this potential story much. I've never watched DOOL, so I don't have any background with it. But I'm quite astonished to hear that they're rewriting so many episodes  . |
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Post by anthonyl on May 27, 2011 19:08:21 GMT -5
That is not true. NOTHING is being reshot. And the show IS dark. They don't return to work until June 6th. Several actors have tweeted this. Yes, they are rewriting episodes, but they are episodes not filmed yet. This came from SON in response to all the rumors. Also it's not unusual for new writers to rewrite eps when they come on board in order to fit the story they want to write. The point is, the gay story will have been playing out for awhile before the new writers even start writing their own stuff. We won't even see the effect they have on the show until August at the earliest. Shows simply don't have the money to go back and do extensive shooting. All of this speculation that the show is writing out the gay story is simply speculation based on nothing, IMO.
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Post by saffronphoenix on May 27, 2011 19:43:14 GMT -5
That is not true. NOTHING is being reshot. And the show IS dark. They don't return to work until June 6th. Several actors have tweeted this. Yes, they are rewriting episodes, but they are episodes not filmed yet. This came from SON in response to all the rumors. Also it's not unusual for new writers to rewrite eps when they come on board in order to fit the story they want to write. The point is, the gay story will have been playing out for awhile before the new writers even start writing their own stuff. We won't even see the effect they have on the show until August at the earliest. Shows simply don't have the money to go back and do extensive shooting. All of this speculation that the show is writing out the gay story is simply speculation based on nothing, IMO. Yes, I thought as much. What happens with the new writers remains to be seen, but I never really thought anything would be done about stuff already in the can given the shows shoestring budget. And I actually just read on the Daytime royalty board a tweet confirming that no episodes are been redone so there you go. |
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Post by justinate on May 28, 2011 4:36:19 GMT -5
I've never been so glad that my info was wrong, and I'm really sorry for (mis)reporting it. In my defense I did preface that info with "apparently" - this is what was being discussed as fact on a major soap forum. I hadn't initially thought DAYS would reshoot episodes either, given their limited budget, but the posters on that forum claimed (and seemed to believe) that dark week was canceled because of reshoots. I agree that, if there are no reshoots, then the gay s/l will have already begun to play out in the episodes filmed thus far. Unless, of course, Dena Higley had never written a gay s/l in those episodes to begin with ...
I don't know why it was claimed Freddie was playing someone "unexpected", but as far as I can tell, his character's name is Sonny, which is a possible nickname for Jackson Kiriakis or his elder brother, Victor Jr. And this is what everyone has been expecting for a while now, since Wally Kurth (Justin Kiriakis) revealed one of his and Adrienne's sons would be returning to Salem.
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Post by HQ75 on May 28, 2011 8:46:51 GMT -5
I think it future it might be helpful if folks provided source links with their posts. It is becoming VERY difficult to tell the difference between actual confirmed information and speculation. I understand that folks want to share what they know and have read (and I'm sure we all appreciate folks sharing) but it's so easy for inaccurate or unsubstantiated information to snowball. I still can't tell if the show has even confirmed that there will be a gay character or that Will is the gay character because no one every provides a source for the info.  Maybe I'm the only one, but I find it very confusing and more than a little bit frustrating to have pages and pages of information and not know which of it is substantiated or not. |
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Post by jjose712 on May 28, 2011 16:34:09 GMT -5
Well, we know that the intention of the new writers is giving the show more modern storylines, if they start on writing off a gay storyline that doesn't even begin, i don't think that'll match with writing a modern soap opera at all.
The problem is that all that we had is Chandler confirmation that there will be a gay storyline (as i know he didn't say that it will be Will's storyline) and actor's choices on the character, because there's only two options, the actor play the character to match a future coming out or the actor has a serious crush on the guy who plays Chad.
If the runours are true and the old Will left the show because he didn't want to play a gay character on a soap (i want, but i can't blame him, because if i was an actor i would avoid playing a gay character on a soap like the plague), they are planning this for a long time, and the acting is intentional. I know that at this point they could change the direction and most people will not notice, but without risk there's no gain, and in this case without risks only the cancelation is in the future.
There's an audience for gay storylines, Kish and specially Nuke (and Lure) show that, it depends of how engaging the storyline will be, the effect can be good or insignificant. I think the guy playing Will is charming enough to attract viewers if the storyline is well written and interesting (avoid a couple of cliches will be a plus)
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Post by justinate on May 28, 2011 17:05:38 GMT -5
Once again, my humble apologies for misleading people about the reshoots. I will try to do penance by rounding up the substantiated spoilers for HQ75 below:
- There will be a gay storyline this summer (source: Chandler Massey). He did not reveal if Will was the character in question.
Highlight to read the rest:
- Will has qualms about taking his relationship with Gabi to the next level, for reasons that will become apparent as time goes by (Ken Corday)
- Freddie Smith has been cast as Sonny and been taping for a few weeks now (Soap Opera Network)
- One of Justin and Adrienne Kiriakis's sons (Alexander, Joey, Victor II or Jackson) will return to Salem (Wally Kurth)
And also some new spoilers (source: Daytime Royalty) which do not relate to the gay s/l but to Will & Gabi:
Gabi passes out on Thursday, June 2nd. So Will, Dario and Melanie work together to bring the prom to her on the following Thursday, June 9th. And now my own speculation based on these spoilers: I assume Gabi has appendicitis. I also doubt any special prom night for her and Will shall involve sex if she's laid up in the hospital!
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Post by overtherainbow on May 29, 2011 9:28:07 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the current spoilers: I think prom night will give us a good indication of the storyline, where it's at and where it's going. I fear that they are actually going to sleep together, because I think that's what "special" prom night means. I also think Will having sex with Gabi will be a deal breaker. Will can still be gay, but it's less likely imo, and it contradicts what we've been told from Ken Corday. So yeah.. Will sleeping with Gabi will show that they have scrapped the storyline. This is all just my speculations and opinions based on the current storyline. I think it's less likely that Will is gay if he sleeps with Gabi. He might still be gay, but LESS likely imo. And if that happens, well.. then I wouldn't be surprised if they did actually scrap the storyline all together
Just one Question.. Who is Sonny? Is he Justin and Adrienne's son Jackson? Or is Sonny someone else? Sorry, I'm just a bit confused..
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Post by Zathras on May 29, 2011 10:25:30 GMT -5
So yeah.. Will sleeping with Gabi will show that they have scrapped the storyline. This is all just my speculations and opinions based on the current storyline. I think it's less likely that Will is gay if he sleeps with Gabi. He might still be gay, but LESS likely imo. And if that happens, well.. then I wouldn't be surprised if they did actually scrap the storyline all together Well, to be fair, a lot of coming out stories involve the person in question sleeping with someone of the opposite sex, often as a means to try to hide from who they are. It happens so often (especially on soaps) that it's kind of cliché. I understand where you're coming from, but I personally don't think them sleeping together necessarily makes a gay storyline any more or less likely. Especially considering how little substantive information is out there about this (potential) story. Just my two cents  . |
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Post by overtherainbow on May 29, 2011 10:56:35 GMT -5
So yeah.. Will sleeping with Gabi will show that they have scrapped the storyline. This is all just my speculations and opinions based on the current storyline. I think it's less likely that Will is gay if he sleeps with Gabi. He might still be gay, but LESS likely imo. And if that happens, well.. then I wouldn't be surprised if they did actually scrap the storyline all together Well, to be fair, a lot of coming out stories involve the person in question sleeping with someone of the opposite sex, often as a means to try to hide from who they are. It happens so often (especially on soaps) that it's kind of cliché. I understand where you're coming from, but I personally don't think them sleeping together necessarily makes a gay storyline any more or less likely. Especially considering how little substantive information is out there about this (potential) story. Just my two cents . I just said that it's LESS LIKELY. It very well may happen. But imo it's easier to say "we never planned a gay storyline at all, those were just false rumors, Will and Gabi even slept together!" if the new head writers actually do decide to scrap the gay storyline. Again, this is just what I think is possible. It's just my opinion Besides.. it's not even about them having sex, it's about them changing the direction of Will's storyline and scrapping it all together. That's what I was afraid of from reading these new prom spoilers. I just assumed "special prom night" meant sex, and that he was going through with it after all. Which is the complete opposite of what we've been told, so I just assumed it was a bad sign, that they really did drop the gay storyline. However, Justinate explained prom night, and it's not at all like I thought. And that's a good thing. It probably means that the gay storyline will be happening after all. I'm just wondering when the supposed "not having sex" thing is happening. Hopefully soon, hopefully in June or something.. I just want this storyline to start as soon as possible! I'm already sick and tired of Will and Gabi together. They make me wanna puke. Boring as hell and NO chemistry what so ever.I would still appreciate it if anyone could please answer my question though Who is Sonny? Is it a nickname for Jackson? Or is Sonny a different guy? I'm just really confused right now.. and I hope someone can answer this! lol |
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Post by justinate on May 29, 2011 14:21:15 GMT -5
overtherainbow, I don't think anyone has the confirmation on that. As far as I can tell (from confirmed sources!), SON said Freddie Smith's character is named Sonny. And Wally Kurth, who plays Justin Kiriakis, said one of his character's sons would be returning this summer. People have been putting the two together but the two roles have not been officially linked. Sonny seems like a reasonable nickname for two of Justin and Adrienne's sons: Jackson or Victor II. SON further muddied the waters by claiming Freddie is not playing who we expect him to be. Since there are two facets to the character being speculated on (Sonny's parentage and potential love interest for Will), it's anybody's guess which of the two (if either) they were referring to. But they also said Freddie's character would interact with Will and Gabi. They also mentioned that since he started taping in early April, they expect him to show up on screen in late June or early July.
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Post by saffronphoenix on May 29, 2011 16:17:37 GMT -5
Don't think there is any official confirmation on it but I think it maybe Jackson, Justin and Adrienne's youngest and I think only biological son. I assumed as there are other Jacks in Salem that Sonny was a nickname taken for the SON part of Jackson
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Post by dmagiclight on May 29, 2011 20:20:19 GMT -5
YES!!! He only confirms that there will be a gay storyline "this summer" (previously it was speculated the story would start airing at the end of May, not sure if this constitutes summer? Or does it mean it will start a bit later?). He doesn't say if it is his character or not, but hopefully it is. A celebratory vid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEXS2YcrrgThose of you lusting after Chandler above (heck, that includes me) will be pleased that this includes him shirtless. You'd probably also want to keep an eye out for that movie he mentions after the Days talk, 16-Love. His co-star said her highlight of shooting the movie was seeing Chandler with his shirt off, LOL. well this confirms there at least was a gay story line planed |
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Post by justinate on May 29, 2011 21:26:40 GMT -5
Okay, so this was posted on the Salem Spectator forums by Jason47, who runs his own DAYS fansite (www.jason47.com). According to people I trust, he is supposed to be quite reliable. He has posted a lot of backstage information about upcoming episodes, such as the lists of cast members and the sets appearing in episodes through July. The full post: www.salemspectator.com/forum/showthread.php?p=291113The gist of it is Sonny is indeed Justin and Adrienne's son and he turns up at the Brady Pub just in time for a graduation party. I am assuming this is Will and Gabi's graduation. No info is available for the episodes airing June 21 and 22, but Sonny first appears in the cast list (along with his parents and the teen set: Will, Gabi, Chad, Abby, Kinsey and Tad) on June 23. The Brady Pub features as a set on that day. Sonny appears again on June 28 and so do his parents but not Will. Will himself appears on June 14, 16, 23, 27, and July 6 (there could be more appearances because some episodes haven't available info). As far as I can see, each of those appearances coincide with Gabi, who is supposed to be discharged from hospital in time for the set to be used for EJ (who is beaten up by Brady). The set goes from Gabi's Hospital Room on June 14 and 16 to EJ's hospital room on June 23. |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 31, 2011 11:05:28 GMT -5
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Post by overtherainbow on Jun 1, 2011 9:47:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, justinate, and the new cast details too. I doubt we'll get to see any of Will's gay storyline before the end of June and the earliest, when you know who shows up I really hope they haven't scrapped it yet. But Ken Corday did explain what would happen between WIll and Gabi, so... I'm just wondering when that'll be. I thought it would have happened already, in May. But now it doesn't seem like it is going to happen before late June at the earliest. Seems like we're waiting forever though.. I really hope they will go through with this storyline and won't scrap it all together. |
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 1, 2011 16:10:55 GMT -5
Crystal Chappell, who plays Carly on DOOL, confirms the show is doing a gay storyline with Will during an interview with Nelson Branco. She says: "I don't know too much about the story, but I am rooting for DAYS because this is such a new story for them," she congratulates. tvguide.ca/Soaps/Articles/110601_crystal_chappell_NB.htm |
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jun 1, 2011 17:17:43 GMT -5
Crystal Chappell, who plays Carly on DOOL, confirms the show is doing a gay storyline with Will during an interview with Nelson Branco. She says: "I don't know too much about the story, but I am rooting for DAYS because this is such a new story for them," she congratulates. tvguide.ca/Soaps/Articles/110601_crystal_chappell_NB.htmThanks for that, it's not much but I'll take it. Thanks for the explanation, justinate, and the new cast details too. I doubt we'll get to see any of Will's gay storyline before the end of June and the earliest, when you know who shows up I really hope they haven't scrapped it yet. But Ken Corday did explain what would happen between WIll and Gabi, so... I'm just wondering when that'll be. I thought it would have happened already, in May. But now it doesn't seem like it is going to happen before late June at the earliest. Seems like we're waiting forever though.. I really hope they will go through with this storyline and won't scrap it all together. It seems that this is going to be a very slooowwwww moving story... Sonny arrives on June 23 and according to Jason47s info that is about the only time Will and him could possibly interact until at least July 8. |
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Post by justinate on Jun 1, 2011 18:18:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the Crystal Chappell quote, Anthony. (OT: She is a really good actress and very gay-friendly; it's too bad it seems her contract has not been renewed.)
Phoenix, I agree that the pacing is miserable. I am very much hoping that this will be one area the new writers will significantly improve. DAYS had such miserable, unexciting stories for May Sweeps. Dena Higley really did a number on them; IIRC, the show slipped from No. 3 in the ratings to dead last during her tenure as head writer. If the new regime don't buck up, this show is going to beat GH to the chopping board.
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Post by saffronphoenix on Jun 1, 2011 19:08:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the Crystal Chappell quote, Anthony. (OT: She is a really good actress and very gay-friendly; it's too bad it seems her contract has not been renewed.) Phoenix, I agree that the pacing is miserable. I am very much hoping that this will be one area the new writers will significantly improve. DAYS had such miserable, unexciting stories for May Sweeps. Dena Higley really did a number on them; IIRC, the show slipped from No. 3 in the ratings to dead last during her tenure as head writer. If the new regime don't buck up, this show is going to beat GH to the chopping board. I just read the news about Crystal Chappell, I think she is a great actress and I'm a bit sad that they didn't renew her contract, particularly when there is sooo much other deadwood on Days at the moment. There will be a few nervous actors over at DOOL at the moment I think, IMO this is just the beginning, there will be some others shown the door in the coming weeks/months, just who they may be will be the interesting thing I think. |
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Post by blake on Jun 2, 2011 10:29:32 GMT -5
Crystal Chappell announced that her contract with Days will not be renewed once it ends in August.She goes on to say that it's not the new writers that this decision had been made before the switch up.My guess is that her final espiode will air sometime in October I wish her all the best she is one of my faviorte.I'm such a big fan of hers she does alot for the gay community and for equal rights.One of my faviorte storyline of hers was the Otalia storyline to this day I still watch it on YouTube.Also I want to say that I don't know if she will stay on untill August she may leave sooner that was just my guess.
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