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Post by Zam on Aug 3, 2009 22:43:24 GMT -5
I know this is a cop-out answer, but it's your story. It needs to go where you and the story decide it needs to go.
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Post by Zam on Aug 2, 2009 1:51:50 GMT -5
I have a firm belief never to apologize for anything that I've written, that my stories live and die by my words and my decision to publish. I'm deviating from that today. I'm blaming any deficiencies on my various summer-cold medications and the jerks at work who made me sick. *shakes fist in anger* I moved some things around in the story, and I'm pleased with what I can offer you tonight. It may not be up to the usual par, but it is pretty revelatory of the past, present and future. Enjoy! Chapter 17 - Tenth Saturdaywww.nl-fiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=281&chapter=17(and now it's bed time)
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Post by Zam on Jul 31, 2009 23:23:53 GMT -5
Ah, CJ, you asked such a good question in an earlier post on this page. The new chapter name: Hope. Is it real hope or false hope? I'll let you all decide, since the chapter has come. CHAPTER 49 - HOPEwww.nl-fiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=250&chapter=49Coming Soon... CHAPTER 50 - Dealing with a Crazy WomanWhat might yet be in store for our hapless travellers as the rollercoaster ride continues? We are so, so close to learning... facts.
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 14:00:56 GMT -5
New theory Fabian and Lydia are the killers. There I said it. Good chapter. Keep em coming. CJ, it's taken 48 chapters for you to do what no one else has. NO ONE has implicated Lydia yet in any of these crimes. Until you... Who's been named as suspects?Ansgar - Chap 20 Anro and Judith - Chap 33 Christian and Olli - Chap 18 Carla - Chap 18 Carla and Stella - Chap 25 Charlie - Chap 25 Christian - Chap 3 Coco - Chap 20 Coco and Stella and Eduard - Chap 46 Constantin - Chap 28 Eduard - Chap 43 - he also took a while to be namedElisabeth - Chap 19 Fabian - Chap 23 Gregor - Chap 28 Henrik - Chap 2 Judith - Chap 38 Judith and Stella - Chap 46 Justus - Chap 15 Justus and Tanja - Chap 24 Luise - Chap 28 Lydia - Chap 48 Maria - Chap 20 Olivia - Chap 24 Olli - Chap 33 Stella - Chap 24 Tanja - Chap 20 Tom- Chap 24 There are other pairings and groups that may have been listed in the past 20 or so pages of this thread that aren't in the list above. Christian so far is the most popular suspect, alone, or with Olli. So far.
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 12:15:59 GMT -5
It's good to know that some of our friends are safe, isn't it? Don't you hate it when bad things happen to good people? Or is it when appropriate things happen to bad people? So many questions. Will this answer any? CHAPTER 48 - A CALCULATED RISKwww.nl-fiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=250&chapter=48Coming Soon... Chapter 49 - Hope
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 9:46:21 GMT -5
Maybe Maria hooks up with Sebastian? Or Gregor? (she's been jealous of Luise since the masked ball)
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 1:06:03 GMT -5
you're sweet, thank you.
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 0:53:10 GMT -5
well, it can be burdensome in a story like this. trying to stay original and all.
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 0:22:20 GMT -5
These days the only amazing thing about it is the word count and sticking to absurd deadlines. But thank you. You are too kind.
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Post by Zam on Jul 29, 2009 0:02:52 GMT -5
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Post by Zam on Jul 28, 2009 1:03:49 GMT -5
Believe me that I trust the VL writing team far more than I do the writers over at that American show on CBS, you know, the one with that gay couple who are so erratically written.... what's their name? (it's a rhetorical and sarastic question, fyi)
There is a way to write them as a happy long-term couple (despite the title, Forbidden Love) whose dramas arise from who they are and what they do instead of contrived-seeming idiotic mini-stories. We don't know how the Christian being fired, getting a heart condition, being an ass, being irresponsible, kissing Miriam, feeling sorry for himself ... and now Olli kissing Rebecca (WTF???) story is going to play out. It could be that they are keeping the heart story simmering for a bit before they blow it into a bigger and more impactful story.
I think the committment and investment of the show in this couple is a good sign. I don't think we have anything to worry about. Just so long as the actors are given good stories to play, and the audience isn't bored by any merry-go-round of pointless stories that surround them and lose interest in the couple, I think we have a long and happy future with these lovely lovely men.
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Post by Zam on Jul 28, 2009 0:54:02 GMT -5
Which is why i like the blogs, cause they do seem more honest and real. It's not so much a matter of taking sides, to be sure. I can't be a total fanboy (not desparaging fanboys, mind you) about the vlogs because Christian's participation in them rings false and out-of-character most of the time. Only in the respect of: " Hi there complete strangers in Ibiza who I've never met and any other random people on the internet who might be watching. I'm going to allow Olli to reveal our deepest, darkest secrets and insecurities and very personal medical issues and participate in this forum even though I don't tell my closest friends or lover about my deepest darkest fears of losing my dream and my identity. So let's chat." The vlogs are lovely, they're a great forum for fans and for the actors, but there's a niggling sense in me that the characters are being sold-out a bit to produce them. If we've (finally) passed the point of the work of the old writing team, I find it unlikely that the show is intentionally writing the Ollian stories to have a Friday resolution. especially since it can never be always predicted when the show will be delayed a day or so on account of soccer/football, swimming, bicycling, auto racing, bocce, or lawn darts. I doubt TPTB anticipated the blogs at the time these eps were written, and it's a "happy" coincidence that the last couple stories have had friday resolutions. I still watch the vlogs to give the boys their internet clicks. I watch them with a critical eye--the same as I do the show. I like them, but I find the whole package hard to looooove for the reasons I've mentioned here and in previous posts.
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Post by Zam on Jul 26, 2009 23:10:45 GMT -5
By the way, check the last seven review responses. I've told some truth.
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Post by Zam on Jul 26, 2009 22:59:19 GMT -5
Since I left you all with a curiously WTF?!?!? kind of chapter last time, I've given you all time to digest the revelation and review earlier portions (and many of you have). Doesn't matter if you do or don't, as now we charge onward in the story, right where we left off. But with whom? CHAPTER 47 - CONFUSIONwww.nl-fiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=250&chapter=47Coming soon... CHAPTER 48 - A Calculated RiskEnjoy!
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Post by Zam on Jul 26, 2009 22:49:24 GMT -5
mona I agree...Christian looked so ashamed. I think he couldn't believe how he had betrayed Olli like that, and with a co worker. I loved how that scene was played with Christian feeling just terrible about causing Olli such pain. I really doubt the intention of the show is what I'm about to suggest, but I can't resist the urge to be semi-snarky. Maybe Christian's appearance on the vlogs and talking about his feelings is Olli's way of punishing him for his recent behavior? I know it's not. Not really.
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Post by Zam on Jul 26, 2009 1:08:31 GMT -5
I'm up for a surprise, to be honest. But I can also attest that writing for 25+ characters in this kind of story is a HUUUUUGE undertaking.
But if the Island in question is Ibiza, I bet that Christian is the killer. LOL
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Post by Zam on Jul 25, 2009 22:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by Zam on Jul 25, 2009 22:35:24 GMT -5
Well this has certainly been a wonderful workshop-type discussion we've been having lately. And one we haven't had in quite a while. LOVE IT! So many different ways to put a few sentences together. Awesome!
Hopefully lurking authors out there might might enjoy this dynamic we have and "come out" to us, as it were.
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Post by Zam on Jul 24, 2009 23:36:11 GMT -5
Rhi: LOL. Beta by committee. Are you in Congress?
or, are you a PhD?
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Post by Zam on Jul 24, 2009 23:22:59 GMT -5
Thanks, Nitty! Sometimes my brain is slooooooooowwwwwww like molasses. In a genre where problems and issues generally are repeated so many times it becomes nauseating, and where problems and issues are talked to death, I found the problems in this episode a little too easily resolved. True: we don't need to see Olli go off the deep end or act all shrill or stomp his feet and wave his arms or go on some shopping spree to buy more scarves just because Christian is ignoring all sensible advice and kissing their friends and killing himself. But: As others have said, it was too neatly wrapped up. It shouldn't have only taken one episode. Olli's expressive eyes projected so much today and yesterday and dating back to Chris' diagnosis. Chris' eyes today, and even some of his actions, showed that he really got Olli (although I don't think he really does, ultimately in this story). Olli could have played hard to get regarding his apology. Give Christian the silent treatment. Put him in the dog house. Make him REALLY think about what he's done and what he's doing. Kick his ass out of NoLimits for a couple weeks for stage-diving and acting a fool and being bad for business. (make it about the actions more than the kiss). And the free booze that was free-flowing? Make him pay for it. Olli is a business owner, he should act like one. Miriam should get in trouble for over-serving Christian and for allowing him to behave the way he did. Not fired. But she should be in trouble. (Her contrition was pretty damn good. "Can I still work here?" SPOT ON! Loved it!) If Olli did that, at least, it wouldn't require him to have a tantrum. Once Christian has had his time out for behaving like an idiotic teenage, let him come out of time out and have a REAL discussion about the problems, about his health, about RESPONSIBILITY. And once Christian had completed his time out, Olli can still play hard to get, and Christian can prove he is worthy of forgiveness. His actions can earn the apology. If the criticism is that it isn't fair of Olli to offer Christian conditional love, screw that!, Christian did it to himself. His own actions necessitate tough love. Audiences deserve more than short-hand. Especially with an issue such as this that can have such grave consequences. It's not just about Christian. It about him, and him and Olli, and NoLimits, and now their friends, and Judith who almost literally became his punching bag today. It was too neatly wrapped up. As someone once told me when providing Constructive Crit to a little play I wrote in college, "the ending was too much like a SitCom. It was too easy, and too neatly wrapped up." Olli's forgiveness today and Christian carrying down his boxing stuff and Judith's happy smile was a SitCom ending to this story. the characters aren't ultimately well-served by it.
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Post by Zam on Jul 24, 2009 23:12:42 GMT -5
How on earth do you guys write so quickly! I'm astounded! I've been working on my long story for weeks now and sometimes fear it will never be done (and that it might suck and should never be done) and you guys just post and post and post! I'm impressed and rather amazed! In my case, most of The Weekend of Bloody Horror (etc.) was written in April & May... and Feb and Mar. With editing and rewites in Feb, Mar, April, May, Jun, July and August. That was back when I had the time to bang out 10,000 words in an evening. Driven also by fear that if I stopped writing when I was on a hot streak that I'd never get it back. Schwul was a bitch to write while juggling Horror and that Look. That Look is kicking my ass to keep up with the "clever" idea I had to publish the chapters the day they supposedly happen. That 114-word chapter I published the other day was one of the most edited chapters in the entire story. Because it had to be done. And I'm in the middle of rearranging and overhauling the entire end of the story Whodunit remains the same, don't worry, it was my first decision and I'm not abandoning it after nearly 6 months. Howdunit isn't the problem. I'm just trying to make whydunit as plausible as I can. A really great idea I had in March isn't so great today. It is a huge, huge challenge. And some days it's not fun. I will probably take a break from mega-stories for a bit after that Look and the Slasher fic are done. Try my hand at crackfic and drabble for a bit, or something. Those are less stressful to write. Usually. I find editing very very valuable to the process. It's how I learn and avoid HUGE mistakes. (evidenced by the changes I am making to the end of the slasher fic.)
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Post by Zam on Jul 23, 2009 22:11:12 GMT -5
It isn't a spoiler. I think that the poster just had a poorly turned phrase. I think the chrolliforever7 meant that Olli is supportive of Christian getting a new occupation. Correct, just yesterday Olli and Christian went through a list of possible occupations: horse trainer, locker room attendant, etc. He has been supportive of him finding something in his field in case he isn't able to continue with school.
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Post by Zam on Jul 23, 2009 21:44:12 GMT -5
I will preface this by saying, I'm a nerd. I know it, I own the label, and it makes me happy. Anyhoo...
Karina: I was updating my spreadsheet of fics at NL-fic (to tell me what I've read and what I still need to read) and saw that "Never Think" wasn't included in the new consolidated "Behind Blue Eyes" story. (and thank you for doing that, it was going to be a challenge trying to figure out the order to read them.)
Have you removed "Never Think" from the story, or has it been re-titled as something else?
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Post by Zam on Jul 23, 2009 21:40:08 GMT -5
JP asked and I answered. Therefore, I offer the following as a public service to my readers. I refuse to give any of my readers a leg up over the others.
Beware the footnotes--they are treacherous.
The Living* Oliver Sabel Christian Mann Gregor Mann Stella Mann Princess Luise von Waldensteyck Judith Hagendorf Lydia Brandner Fabian Brander Constantin von Lahnstein Rebecca von Lahnstein Tanja von Lahnstein
* as of the last time we saw them and haven't learned otherwise.**
** otherwise refers to those whom the other vacationers at the Chalet have declared dead.***
*** Olivia has been identified as the poor girl in the fire, and thus declared dead.
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Post by Zam on Jul 23, 2009 21:21:10 GMT -5
Join the club. sheesh. Maybe I should stop playing around on all the different threads and read or write instead.
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