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Post by SF on Mar 11, 2010 15:32:32 GMT -5
is it just me or is that conversation a very very bad omen, considering she's so in love with christian?
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Post by SF on Mar 11, 2010 13:56:57 GMT -5
WHAT was rebecca wearing on her head today?!!??
haha ;D
fashion designer my arse...
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 15:07:23 GMT -5
thores new hair is pimp-minging, but he looks so happy and sweet with jana!! and she looks beautiful..
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 13:05:48 GMT -5
does anyone think rob is actually sincerely attracted to olli, and not in the your-business-is-my-prospective-new-drug-den sort of way?! i mean i can't fathom how you could spend so much time with olli and NOT fall in love with him, so what do people reckon?
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 10:36:38 GMT -5
i think that picture on the fridge looks like an old chrolli picture. was olli wearing red at the party?! it looks more like the bedroom to me. god you know you're obsessed when you start analyzing the set props.
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 10:30:03 GMT -5
kes - i would actually be able to stomach cheating olli, if i believed rolli was the centre of the SL. but i just can't believe that they are doing this for any other reason than to serve their devious chribecca purposes. i mean chrolli falling apart because olli starts to look elsewhere is an interesting reversal on the start of chrolli and feels a bit more organic than a tit for tat chrolli+r.1+r.2 because olli is naturally flirty. and christian is a bit stifling and demanding with his love. just look how gregor reacts to him sometimes. the people who he puts on pedestals have a tendency to fall of, cos you know they're human - and he gets pissed off with them. it would be awesome to have a SL revolving around that. there is NO NEED for rebecca (and by default, david) in this already too full up SL. they can't even fit the whole plot into one weeks worth of episodes as i think lugia was saying. i can see why people are losing patience, cos i'm losing the actual thread of whats going on.
not saying i want christian to be faultless - but i can think you can have faults without actually cheating - and i think christian cheating destroys his character (and therefore chrolli) more than it does olli, because he invests so many of his principles and morals in the people around him and relationships in engages in. christian would rather hurt someone in the short term (telling coco he didn't love her anymore) than be involved with someone when he has any suspicion that feels something for someone else.
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 9:56:08 GMT -5
also is olli being told off by his auntie because of the drug thing? and her vested interests in the bar? where the eff is christian? sulking in some miserable little corner somewhere?!
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 9:53:53 GMT -5
max is a bit of a stunner but he really can't pull off the paddington bear checks in quite the same way that olli can - he's a bit too bulky for that shirt. and what picture are you talking about on the fridge? i can't see a whole picture because olli caressing robs wet chest with that tea towel is blocking my view.
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 9:29:34 GMT -5
I had such a sense of dread about new spoiler pics, but I never, ever expected a Rolli romance! I have no clue anymore. Seems like Olli is fighting it and then will succumb to the temptation at one point and confirm Rebecca's theory and then Chribecca can happen. Isn't Rob wearing Olli's yellow/red shirt at NL? i reckon olli spills something on rob in the second picture and he does the whole sleazy-slow-removal-of-the-shirt routine, hence the temptation. but hopefully olli sees the light and sends him packing out the door in that hideous checked number. cos olli's wearing the same outfit in all three pictures EDIT: mind you, rob is wearing different trousers in the top and bottom pictures!! why would you need to change your trousers!!! what's going on there then?!?
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Post by SF on Mar 10, 2010 9:26:27 GMT -5
oh my god - i adore rob and there's no denying rolli is quite delectable - but i'm so torn because i'm sad olli looks like he might be the one to properly cheat. because 1) it's olli, i got him on a little pedestal. 2) i think it's a cop out for the writers, i think they really want chribecca and are turning olli 'bad' on a guest star to free up mr hero, their No 1 Mann - chrissie baby 3) they're making me think olli might not love christian as much as he used to (to be fair, i can see why, seeing as christian has turned into The Incredible Grouch in the last few weeks - but still, he had his reasons!!) - which is just stupid because it's come outta nowhere. and because i subscribe to the view olli idolises rob because of NL and his little dream - what kind of person does that make olli, to be really tempted by his idol when he has a beautiful two year relationship with a wonderful guy behind him!? it's not even like the writers set up the sham of "no one else understands me right now - you're my best friend" like they did with chribecca. AH! i love this on superficial level - and hate, hate, hate it on every other level imaginable. i feel like i have some kind of bipolar condition when it comes to this show.
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Post by SF on Mar 9, 2010 20:24:50 GMT -5
vaginal 'dryness'?! jesus wept, as if chribecca wasn't more than enough to stomach. i was intensely pissed off with todays episode, gotta say. i think if dabecca is our saving grace - it's got off to a pretty limp, unpalatable, unenthusiastic start. i mean, i'm trying not to admit it, but from an objective point of view even chribecca is more interesting than dabecca. god i hated every second of it - apart from olli and andi (seriously - how adorable and endlessly compassionate and entirely lovely is olli?). oh and jessica - from an aesthetic point of view (on mute) she's like a hypnotic cat and her boobs are a serious marvel of physics. but you know you've hit a low point when a pair of boobs were the most gripping thing about an episode. *sigh* i just hope there's no more montages to sit through. i sincerely get the impression the writers think i'm meant to be feeling something i don't ever want to feel as soon as the music kicks in and rebecca makes her 'entirely unobvious' goggly eyes at a completely oblivious and (in this instance) thick-as-pig-shit christian. really, how can someone so pretty be so entirely dumb?!
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Post by SF on Mar 9, 2010 14:44:41 GMT -5
also is it just me (and my very nonexistent german) or does ludwig/francesca/elizabeth remind anyone else of sebastian/olivia/lydia, but like the older generation version?! obviously i have no idea whats going on storywise but - that whole guy (not really) torn between the angelic, demure blonde and exotic, enthusiastic brunette. mind you when you put it like that, it's just the age old cruel intentions type plot isn't it?
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Post by SF on Mar 9, 2010 14:39:09 GMT -5
what pisses me off about the storyline - is how 'chrolli' is so utterly absent from it. i mean christian keeps saying that he's pissed off with olli and olli's focused on his career - but when was the last time they were in a scene together? at least when rob was around you could kind of understand christian's frustrations a bit better, even if you didn't agree with them. i mean here it feels like chrolli's dispute is a background catalyst for chribecca scenes - like the moving cradle montage we got today. to me, everything is pointing towards chribecca OTP, even rebecca saying that chrolli were still good together, seemed ominous in context. that's why i can't wait for rob to get back and bring the focus back to chrolli and their problems. i keep hoping this chribecca nonsense is just set up for the main chrolli SL, so when chribecca do have their kiss or one off shag - it doesn't come like a bolt out of the blue. but then again when has VL ever objected to stupid, unrealistic story developments in the past. chribecca feels too seperate and of it's own framework to be dismissed. all i can say thank fuck for david: now take your snotty faced nitwit far away from where she can perve on manly, mounted, moonlit christian please.
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Post by SF on Mar 9, 2010 5:55:03 GMT -5
thanks for the subs. is 'outdoor activities' some kind of euphemism i'm not familiar with then? ;D also gregor is a typical shitty older brother, even when he goes to comfort christian it's still all about him. no "sorry christian, how are you?" only "what do you think of me and luise then?" after the fact. i mean it's not like he even really cares what christian thinks. still, i liked this episode, it reminded me of gregor in the early days - like that first cabin episode.
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 18:17:52 GMT -5
stregatta - on a deep, emotional, visceral level, i get what you're saying a bit. why use that word, 'gay' - which some people have fought long and hard to possess and occupy, proudly and with conviction, courage and stoicism - if you're just gonna shrug it off two years down the line, with a "hey, SURPRISE, i was bi all along!! fooled ya!!" (if that is where the writers are going with all this chribecca crap). i mean i get why they did it, on a marketing level - "germany's premier gay soap couple!" sounds at once more bold and less tawdry than "germany's sometime gay, sometime straight, largely bi soap couple!" - but it still feels a little bit disrespectful. in some ways. i mean, i guess soap characters who are gonna be involved in same sex relationships have to be flexible. purely because gay characters are rare, there is a dearth of opportunity and the only solution to that would be having the majority of soap opera casts swing both ways or a rapid flow of characters through a show, both of which are ridiculous suggestions for soap operas. but soap's straight characters do not have the same requirements to be flexible and in the most basic way their relationships feel truer and more secure because of it. i'm sure there's people who disagree with me. and i'm not saying that bisexuality in a soap character is a negative thing at all. i just think it should be a privilege and a responsibility to act any story, gay or straight or other. i just wish they'd pick a story they want to represent and stick with it. instead of borrowing the terminology and struggles and eventual glory of a successful 'GAY' story line and just throw it to the wind when things go tits up ratings wise. instead of exploring other avenues. this is all speculative based on interviews and general feeling. and really it's not something i'm gonna be weeping into my pillow over, i just felt you made some salient points stregatta and i too feel like it's a shame that they can't get it right for chrolli.
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 17:12:36 GMT -5
i dunno CF7. i just don't know. but looking at the latest ansgar (?) lydia spoilers, its not like lyseb is (or was) ever plain sailing. comparatively chrolli have had 2 peaceful years, and i don't think they can transform into 'the couple with all the drama' - there's nothing more for these unimaginative writers to eek out of them (in their opinion). i think if something is gonna happen, it's gonna be the end of chrolli. even if it is only temporary.
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 17:06:24 GMT -5
i don't know if the wider non-fandom audience gives a shite who christian ends up with. christian and olli have been out of the spotlight for so long perhaps, to anyone but the most ardent and loyal fans, they really are background players. its not even like chrolli are a fresh love that still in people's minds. thats why i think feiler reckons she can get away with degayifying christian with minor dispute from VL fans. it's been two years! they probably think we're over it by now. and the majority of viewers probably are.
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 16:27:15 GMT -5
who's to say the next writer won't stick with chribecca? it's not like chrolli's pulling in the crowds anymore, and grelu have gone. and chribecca aren't even the root problem with the show at the moment. even if a new writer is likely, banking all our chrolli endgame hopes on that alone doesn't fill me with optimism.
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 15:41:34 GMT -5
i just got the worst, most intense feeling that if [or when] christian leaves the complexity of chrolli for the relative simplicity of chribecca this would be what he tells olli to finish it for good. "we made eachother miserable. i was always miserable with you, at the end. and she just helps me be a bit happy again." worst.case.scenario
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Post by SF on Mar 8, 2010 14:00:47 GMT -5
i know people usually say it really bitterly and with a lot of venom behind it. but i am honestly wondering how thore is not bored of this story. people have already pointed out the diluted similarities between this and chrolli circa 2008. but it only really struck me with today's preview. if i were thore, i would be - aside from happy that i had a regular pay check and a glitzy showbiz job - as an actor, bored out my tiny mind. how many times is he gonna lie prostrate on a sofa while a would-be suitor attempts to suck face with his unconscious form?! it was slightly odd when it was olli (i pushed through, cos they were awesome, and christian got his own back later on), but with rebecca it's boring and weird. especially after that bizarre photo-folding sess on the lahnstein couch.
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Post by SF on Mar 7, 2010 18:15:08 GMT -5
but i don't know if once they've had their forbidden love, every story thereafter has to be forbidden as well. kind of makes a character's development obsolete if thats the case, doesn't it?
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Post by SF on Mar 7, 2010 18:13:26 GMT -5
i think the premise is a story originates through an essentially 'forbidden love' - that can entail various other themes and plot points, for example LySeb had Jens and kidnapping and motherf*$king, and LuGor had royalty and intrigue and Eduard. I think for a character to become a 'main' character they have to, at some point, be involved in a central SL and all central SLs focus in some way - even abstractly - on 'forbidden love'. i could be wrong though. i'm not the most familiar person with the show and that's just an initial impression.
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Post by SF on Mar 5, 2010 14:59:29 GMT -5
also christian calling olli a 'frog' feels very uncomfortable and perhaps the pricklyness of the comment is magnified, because of christian's history and because they are two men. i mean christian has never shown interest in other men. not real interest. and when he does go off and seek comfort with another person it's always a woman, be it the meaningless thing with miriam or the upcoming pash with rebecca. it makes me suspicious of the writers and their intentions. makes me think they are not only trying to kill off the love between chrolli but are actively stabbing at the sexual chemistry they have - so when christian does go back to women, no one will bat an eyelid. maybe i'm overthinking it though!
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Post by SF on Mar 5, 2010 14:55:32 GMT -5
except rebecca is such a dope for christian, she'd probably be written as sickeningly adoring of and patient with him, if the writers intention is actually to put them together!! which is stupid, because that's not what you need in a healthy relationship. olli was there for christian but knew when to stand up to him to - like in the doping story. i find it hilarious that rebecca has only noticed christian when he miraculously transformed into a dickhead.
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Post by SF on Mar 5, 2010 13:10:05 GMT -5
i don't want to watch them together like this. like you say ivan, something needs to happen. and if the writers want to break them up, they should get off their asses, rip off the band aid and be done with it. and then let them come together again when everyone realises how stupid they are apart.
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