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Post by SF on Apr 10, 2010 5:19:44 GMT -5
Luckycharm: Really? I live in Alberta and I work with a guy who is gay and was married in Alberta but the province still does not recognize them as married, civil partnership yes but married in the same way that a straight couple is? No! And many of my friends have gone to other countries to get married (mostly the Netherlands and Britian) as they have told me that they wouldn't be legally married here in the way they want to be. I'm just going with what I've been told as I don't actually follow any of the bills etc. See I'd be happy for Chrolli to come and get married here though, as long as it is all equal ;D (And I'm not a marriage kind of person and there is a 99% chance I will never get married because honestly I'm not the type I just think that it should all be equal if you want to.) same sex 'marriage' is not legal in the uk. although 'civil partnerships' have all the same legal benefits as a 'marriage' since 2004 - it cannot officially be called a 'marriage' and is not recognised as such. surprisingly, scotland has the biggest equal rights movement in the whole of the uk, but as labour doesn't want to legalize it and with what's happening with election i really doubt it will be introduced anytime soon. unfortunately. isn't it legal in germany though?! it would surprise me if it wasn't. i know they were all over the gay adoption before most europeans weren't they?! anyway a chrolli marriage trip to canada would suit me fine.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 18:07:49 GMT -5
^ Right so I'm obviously going to construe that as Olli fishing to see if he could pull rob as a possible third into their relationship. Oh olli, you never give up hoping do you... you hot little sex fiend you! But seriously, why does the fact that it's a woman make a difference to Olli? Would he have felt more comfortable if it were another man? What is it that's going on in Olli's head that makes him glom on to the gender of the offender... and goodness this conversation is skirting so close to the conversation all Chrolli-ers want, a discussion about the boys' sexuality who they're attracted to etc. Of course labels don't matter, and I am not asking the writers to give the boys labels. that would kind of take the fun out of it, but I still think a discussion like that could make the characters more 3 - dimensional, more complex and more real. imagine, if you will, your bf going out kissing other boys whenever he got upset, wouldn't you be a bit about it, especially if he spent a lot of time telling various friends, family and boxing match attendees "I'M STRAIGHT!!! AND I LOVE MY GIRLFRIEND!!" i think you'd have a few questions especially if you had first stumbled across him whilst he was in the midst of a committed gay relationship - you were his first ever lady love. okay it shouldn't be the FIRST question in olli's mind, but i don't blame him for starting to worry whether or not christian is actually as schwul as he likes to make out. i don't know if i personally could put up with spending my life who's sexuality was so completely ambiguous even if i was a soap character. maybe this is the SL i've been waiting for. where we finally find out what is going on in christian's head and how he fell for olli and whether he's comfortable with who he is!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 17:14:58 GMT -5
he's a silver fox in the making... and with all the NLs dosh he's a fabulous sugar daddy as well!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 15:10:35 GMT -5
bless olli - he's giving rebecca's otherwise empty life a bit of purpose - and she's such a bitch, she clearly wants to have christian for herself and she wouldn't help olli out even if she could (which she can't). olli's such a sweetheart to her, he's always humoring her stupid existence. if only he knew what a cow she is.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 14:17:58 GMT -5
she's a proper little stella mccartney!!
someone get that girl a one way ticket to paris!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 13:58:54 GMT -5
christian's put a bit of weight on. hadn't noticed before. that, or olli has lost some and the camera shot is just a smidge unflattering. anyway thanks for the caps lovely. This was only like two weeks ago. I can see how you missed Christian's weight gain. i think it's just the fugly cardigan. and the mini mullet. it's not as sleek a look as a half off wifebeater and jeans and not much else. on a side note - rob sticking his hand down olli's trousers was one of the highlights of the episode for me. i was surprised he didn't take advantage of the situation - being rob and all.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 13:27:01 GMT -5
christian's put a bit of weight on. hadn't noticed before. that, or olli has lost some and the camera shot is just a smidge unflattering. anyway thanks for the caps lovely.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:41:17 GMT -5
eww coco slept with gregor?! how can christian sniff around his big bro's leftovers?! it makes me feel a bit ill thinking about it. and it's not even the good leftovers, like sarah or luise - but coco and rebecca?! is he that enamoured with gregor that he can stomach it?!? only in soapland or jeremy kyle i swear! i still wish christian had had a little thing with olivia, i don't know why. i think it's cos she's the ultimate bad girl and he's the ultimate good boy. bit like grease but in reverse.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:35:15 GMT -5
they've got a gem in max - they should hang onto him. he's all kinds of awesome!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:34:19 GMT -5
oh tkat - what i wouldn't give to see chrolli+OldRob. i actually think all THREE of them have great chemistry. rob and olli have out of this world chemistry, it lights up the screen.. but i think christian and rob have good chemistry as well, sparring chemistry. i genuinely believe they have these strong, violent feelings toward eachother. imagine if christian shoved rob against a wall, breathless with rage and then ended up giving into rob's silky smooth glare. even imagining that does WAY more for me than the longest chribecca kiss ever could. the first ever gay poly amorous relationship - i would *so* watch that!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 7:27:45 GMT -5
i think they orchestrated the kiss as longer - because christian is a bit of a tight-arse and i get slight whiff of moral superiority whenever he knows olli's been naughty. so to make him feel all the more guilty for HIS slip up, they made it *MAJAH* and they made olli super-saccharine-sweet after so christian can stew in his own guilt ridden juices for a while. means he can't interfere in rolli - giving it a chance to develop - and it provides us with lots of pretty eyelash batting angsty scenes in the meantime. and both of those are pluses in my book. even if i did have to sit through a quarter of a minutes worth of SHEER TORTURE and now possess the knowledge that christian's lips are forever tainted with whoretastic lavender glossed sting of the countesses pretty little pout. (side note: why do they dress poor jasmin so fugly?!?! as an actress of 'limited resources' (i like that whoever said it) her looks are the sum of most of what she has going for her, and they put her in a purple sack and bunch it all together with the most hideous diarrhea coloured 'bow' i've ever seen, makes her look about five stone heavier than she is AND confirms my suspicion christian is well and truly HOMO because he called the whole messy concoction 'pretty' - is he blind?!?!?!!?!?) yeah, so i don't think it was poor thore. i don't think he's SO desperate to kiss *any* female lips, he'd cunningly alter stage direction exactly at the moment of filming just to get his kicks! makes me giggle as a theory, but aside from that N-O.
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Post by SF on Apr 8, 2010 15:21:26 GMT -5
interesting tkat - so you think christian is slightly projecting himself onto olli and olli's bewitching powers over him onto (the slightly bewitching himself) rob?!
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Post by SF on Apr 8, 2010 15:02:14 GMT -5
can i just give props to max e. he's awesometastic. i have never loved and loathed a character so much all at once. when he says "just don't make me wait too long..." in his drawlingly (sexy) german accent (i didn't think it was possible for germans to 'drawl' in english), i don't know whether i want to lynch him or wrap myself around him and never let go. seriously he irritates me, creeps me out, makes me feel a bit nauseous on one hand and totally enchants me at the exact same moment on the other. i adore max for what he's doing for chrolli drama wise. if it was just chrolli and rebecca i think i might have gagged myself by now. You so hit the nail on the head! Max manages to make Rob sleezy and creepy and sexy -- how does one do that? I think I would have a harder time with all this if he were not in it. Also, the fact that Christian has started being so dishonest interests me: I want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt. Christian is changing -- just like (as Miriam noted) Olli is changing. Christian, in love, cannot be as moral as Christian was when he was not in love (and not with men -- whom he's meant to love, and most particularly, Olli). Christian is so in love with Olli that he has become possessive, and overwhelmed by his emotions. He can't keep to his "moral code" because HE Christian Mann, is actually overwhelmed by something. HE, the one who is supposed to be in control, who stuck with Dad even when Gregor left, who went to prison for his Dad. HE can't hold it together and is acting like a jerk to Rebecca, to David and most especially to Olli. I hope the writers really GET what they are doing here and follow-through with a plot that resolves these tensions. Boy, does Rob bring them out. He is Christian's worst nightmare, not only in being a romantic threat, but for representing everything Christian fears. Ironically, the more he hates Rob, the more he grows to resemble him. you know i have a theory that christian hates rob - because yeah he's a bad person, and drugs blah blah blah. but also because he represents some things christian wishes he could be, but can't bring himself to - because of his morals and because of his background. rob is totally relaxed with who he is. to the point of being sleazy. and christian took so long to accept he was with olli, and personally i still think he doesn't flaunt his sexuality even if he's comfy with who he is now. he's into parties and he understands that side of olli's world, christian cannot understand or put up with any of that, he can't even sit out one party for his bf - so he will never share those experiences with him, and olli's greatest professional triumphs will always be slightly removed from christian - which i think is important and upsetting to him because he always involves olli in all his career triumphs, he thinks it's important to have his fella there with him. rob says what he thinks and doesn't care if he hurts people. christian tends to bottle stuff up and go off on his own if people upset him, he broods and then explodes - whether rob is a steady stream of gut wrenching honesty. and much to christian's bewilderment probably, people like olli let him get away with it - and laugh it off, even when he's really offensive. rob gets off the hook for drug dealing. the law hasn't caught up with him. whether christian has wrongly come face to face with long arms of the law on two seperate occasions - and the shoplifting. he always gets caught out, even if it's not his fault. whether rob has a laissez-faire attitude to being a honorable citizen and he totally slides his way through life totally unchecked. and olli adores the older, intriguing, exciting rob - and christian as we saw yesterday is wondering if he's enough to keep someone like olli interested, when he's a younger, inexperienced, stable boy. and loads of other stuff. but i think secretly christian fears rob, because rob has a lot of qualities which would make christian's life all the smoother and easy - but he doesn't have or doesn't want because he's so full of morals and 'goodness'. i think he's jealous.
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Post by SF on Apr 8, 2010 14:30:37 GMT -5
can i just give props to max e. he's awesometastic. i have never loved and loathed a character so much all at once. when he says "just don't make me wait too long..." in his drawlingly (sexy) german accent (i didn't think it was possible for germans to 'drawl' in english), i don't know whether i want to lynch him or wrap myself around him and never let go. seriously he irritates me, creeps me out, makes me feel a bit nauseous on one hand and totally enchants me at the exact same moment on the other. i adore max for what he's doing for chrolli drama wise. if it was just chrolli and rebecca i think i might have gagged myself by now.
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Post by SF on Apr 8, 2010 13:05:12 GMT -5
why david loves her baffles me - i can't even wrap one brain cell round it, let alone my whole head. and i really didn't like christian today - but it wasn't his fault - it was the writers. i've never liked a hypocrite though.
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 16:35:37 GMT -5
I really hope they have. I love 4/4/08, but everytime I watch it a little voice in my head is just repeating 'I hate your shirt, I hate your shirt...' A nice tight t-shirt would have been better...mmm didn't deniz from dero inherit it for a while?! or is that another hideous bright green button down?!
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 14:14:13 GMT -5
i wonder if when chrolli reconcile we'll get to hear breathe me again?!? i think they should use something familiar, to draw it all back, after all the changes they've gone through. that other sia song, 'soon we'll be found', that works considering the lyrics and what they've been through. i wouldn't mind hearing sia again. that or olli could drag out his red zipped cardigan and christian one of his nasty bog green long sleeve shirts. or judith. i really do miss her.
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 13:24:40 GMT -5
oh btw, i very much like your little moving rob sign thingy thunderkat.
very much. i wish there were more scenes of rob slowly grazing on handfuls of bar snacks. it would make the whole show that tiny bit more bearable.
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 13:20:54 GMT -5
accuse olli of being the actual father of jessica's phantom baby? christian get some of his old prison buddies to come tear up NLs?
tell christian gregor has moved away to switzerland with luise and his god kids and left no forwarding address? spike his underwear with chilli?
or just get judith back from london to bitch slap them both back to their senses.
this wouldn't be happening if she was around to bang their heads together. i miss judith...
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 12:48:15 GMT -5
you may indeed be evil tkat (but it's kinda fun!) even tearing the characters apart on here. it feels like they deserve it. god why am i still watching!?!
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 12:43:35 GMT -5
Why did the phrase "ChrOlliBert and Ernie" just flicker through my mind... ;D ;D ;D and soapfan, not to give you any ideas, but I think the way to get at Christian is through Elias and his Horse Whispering dreams... i don't condone animal cruelty, in any form - and it's a damn shame else i'd be totally up for olli doing away with that daft cow rebecca. maybe he could just sell elias to the glue factory down the road?! no actual blood on olli's hands - but no more elias either. poor elias, if only he wasn't part of the whole castle set up he might escape my violent chrolli related rage.
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 12:32:18 GMT -5
re. thunderkat's last post: you know, i'm actually thinking the better alternative to the crap we're getting served now - is to have christian and olli *really* turn against eachother, be at eachothers throats, want proper revenge for the silly crap feiler has made them inflict on the other - mainly because that would provide an opportunity to still see this deep connection they have with eachother, and they're ability to move the other like no other person on the planet - but turned on it's head, so they're using their powers for evil not good. for them to really fuck up eachothers lives, have christian sabotage NLs and olli's dreams and aspirations and for olli to make christian feel completely isolated and abandoned (can't think how off the top of my head). but then in the end when they're standing in the wreckage of their lives, realise that nothing matters - just that they're still in eachothers lives, bit like a deeper and more emotional mr and mrs smith. that to me is surprisingly more appealing than the tit for tat crap.
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Post by SF on Apr 7, 2010 8:56:22 GMT -5
hilarious - how old are they?!
why did i want them to work it out?!
how will they recover from this?!
how can i ever take them seriously as characters again?!
i actually felt pity for rebecca in these spoilers. her and rob should run away with eachother and leave chrolli to their childish, spiteful misery.
hope it plays out differently.
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Post by SF on Apr 6, 2010 18:27:42 GMT -5
just to play devil's advocate justamann - how do you reconcile christian kissing miriam? and olli not seeking immediate retaliation in the arms of a close friend - but christian going straight to the castle and ending up giving rebecca exactly what she wants? olli had a bit of time, cooling down and ignoring christian at NLs but he came round, forgave miriam straight away and gave christian ample opportunity to explain himself and let it go. i don't think christian will be able to dismiss this as easily, although technically it's a similar offence (some might say more minor because olli didn't instigate - even though he may have participated in it)?? No need to play devils advocate. Kissing Miriam: Wrong. That's it. Wrong. Doesn't matter if you're drunk. Wrong. You say you're sorry, hope for forgiveness, work harder to be a better man. Olli not seeking retaliation in the arms of another: Good on him. Doing that would be wrong as well. Christian going to the castle: Wrong. Full stop. Don't do it buddy. See, I just don't much go in for this 'he did it' 'no, he did it first' playground back and forth stuff. It's rarely helpful and tends to obscure the real issues. Each offense is an offense in and of itself. Deal with each individually and accordingly. Keeping score, or collecting offenses is a poor way to negotiate a relationship. That said, what Olli has been doing with Rob - and to Christian - is not even comparable to the Miriam kiss. He's lied or withheld information (Rob's "declaration of love"; kissing Rob), he choose to trust Rob's word over the word of his lover's, he's pursued his own interests with little thought to how it's affecting Christian and their relationship. That stuff is not about an errant or mistaken kisses. That's about trust. That's about priorities. And Olli's are screwed up right now. Unless, of course, his business interests and his interest in Rob are more important to him than Christian. I know you think that Christian's been a pissy jealous jerk - but the fact is, he's right to be. Remember, he wasn't jealous the first time he met Rob. His hackles came up after he witnessed Rob laying hands on Olli. That's not being pissy, that's seeing something for what it is. Something that Olli hasn't been able to do - or has been unwilling to do (I kinda feel like it's the latter; I think he believes he's got things under control, that he can 'manage' Rob. But... NOT.) And as for this being a similar offense, well... to each his own I guess. Olli could see the fire right in front of him and he kept his hand as close to it as he could. And got burned. And for the record, I don't believe any of this or any of what's happened between Christian and Olli from the beginning is unforgivable. But at some point in a relationship, you've got to grow up and put your heart on the line. I don't believe Olli has yet - not completely - but I hope he will. I hope he does. I agree with joanna: Olli's a good guy. But he's not without faults. Hey... who is, right? But the trick is knowing them; the trick is understanding your limitations; the trick is recognizing the line that you should not cross; the trick is knowing what's important in life. Maybe it's just me - maybe I'm just a big romantic dumbass, but I say what's important in life is love, love, and yet again, love. okay fair enough you can't play it eye for eye in a mature, adult, respect filled and ultimately loving relationship. but you can't say "do as i say not as i do" either. and it is wrong that christian goes and indulges his wounded pride all over rebecca's mouth. but i don't think christian has been a pissy bitch - not to the extent that he's any worse, morally, than olli. i think they've both been equally silly and careless with eachother and their 'love' - letting it go so unmaintained for so long. i just don't understand how you can want them to end up together, christian (who you seem to enjoy a lot as character) WITH olli (who you seem so down on). i mean i sometimes get the impression you don't even really like the olli character. and i don't know if i could support chrolli if i didn't like either of them, even though some of the time both of them annoy me (a lot of the time lately). correct me if i'm wrong, it's just the impression i get. and it confuses me. EDIT: i understand preferring one over the other, i actually used to prefer christian, now i like them the same. but as i said the impression i sometimes get is that you don't think much of olli's character at all. see him almost constantly negatively. EDIT TO THE EDIT: you don't have to justify how you feel to me - even though i may not be able to grasp it, i'm not trying to say anythings wrong with disliking either of chrolli but still supporting 'them' as a couple and one of them in particular. the reason i ask is literally just curiosity - because i wonder sometimes if you are so defensive of christian - almost to the point of criticizing olli every time they reach a sticky point in the relationship - because you think that christian gets a bad rap here and other places. that maybe people see him on the whole as pissy and whiny - and that's why you put forward a pro christian POV so firmly?! but like i said - it's only curiosity - you don't have to explain yourself or your personal point of view to me.
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Post by SF on Apr 6, 2010 17:33:37 GMT -5
Olli damn well better be tearing up. He's been holding Rob close and keeping Christian at a distance, so I can't work up much sympathy for him. This is his own doing. and btw, did that Rolli kiss look a little less one sided than in the epidose? I just looked and it's not clear. I'll have to load the clip into an edit prog. to slow it down and look. But in this preview version, Olli is absolutely kissing Rob, not just being kissed. Happier now t-kat? Kes? just to play devil's advocate justamann - how do you reconcile christian kissing miriam? and olli not seeking immediate retaliation in the arms of a close friend - but christian going straight to the castle and ending up giving rebecca exactly what she wants? olli had a bit of time, cooling down and ignoring christian at NLs but he came round, forgave miriam straight away and gave christian ample opportunity to explain himself and let it go. i don't think christian will be able to dismiss this as easily, although technically it's a similar offence (some might say more minor because olli didn't instigate - even though he may have participated in it)??
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