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Post by JustaMannsMan on May 31, 2010 13:33:50 GMT -5
Oh such cruelty Justamannsman... were you not moved to pity by the expression on olli's face? This fear about christian's devotion isn't a play and it's not unfounded. Olli is truly scared here, and i think this ep shows that they're both equally fearful and equally doubtful of the solidity of their relationship and have true doubts about eachother's commitment. These doubts are reasonable from both sides, and truly I dont think they arise just from the R.1 and R.2 confrontations, but from Olli's reduced attention and time to Christian and Christian's increased attention to his new profession and his lack of tolerance for dealing with NL. R.1 and R.2 are just the sprinkles on the crap sunday. <-- ick. Given BOTH of their behaviors, they are BOTH justified in being worried, and yeah, some may think Olli has more cause while others may think Christian has more cause, but the one bright spot in this is that both men are pretty damn sure about how THEY feel, and once they come to that understanding together, they'll be beautiful again. ...and i can...ahem.. comfort rob.... repeatedly ... as long as he wants... come to think of it Miriam looked a little sad to day too. . *crooks finger beckoningly* I'm not being cruel. I'm just not buying the manipulation. If Olli's fear - his real fear - is that Christian isn't gay, after two years of being together, during which Christian, rather demonstrably displays romantic love as well as some fairly hefty physical desire for Olli, it makes me wonder what Christian could do to actually prove that to Olli. It's just hard for me to swallow [ooh-ooh, t-kat moment: as I'm sure it is for Olli ] that Olli's spent all this time waiting for the other shoe to drop. If that were true wouldn't he be more careful around Rob? More sensitive and reactive to Christian's jealousy over his general flirting or his spending so much time with Rob? Would he really fire Christian rather than keep him close, even if their workplace proximity led to fights? Wouldn't he actually LISTEN to Christian and look at how his own behavior looks? I mean, here, Christian sees one photo that looks passionate and he immediately realizes it. Olli sees the pictures of him and Rob and only thinks "It's business." Please. And how about women? Why didn't Olli show any discomfort about the hot babes hanging on Christian when Olivia blackmailed him into a photoshoot? How about a reaction to that when he saw the photos? Why didn't he involuntarily react to Judith kissing Christian despite his having set her up as a beard? Would he really run off to Ibiza and leave Christian alone with any number of cute co-eds rather than wait a couple weeks until Christian was done with his exams? Would he take Christian to a club in Frankfurt where they had female pole dancers (the ones Christian suggested would interest Gregor)? How about all the physicality Christian (and often, Olli, too) showed towards Judith - hugs, hanging on her, kisses? What about all the times Christian was hands-on with Rebecca during the setup for the try-out party for Rob? And perhaps most telling, if he were really afraid that Christian would reject being gay, would Olli have purchased the entire Quentin Crisp Commemorative Scarf Collection? I went back and watched the aftermath of the Miriam kiss; interesting. Not one mention of the fact that Miriam's a woman. Matter of fact, Olli's only reference to anything apart from Christian's kissing someone else was "Least of all with one of my employees." He also didn't make an issue of the fact Christian didn't tell him right away. I agree that his look, after ostensibly forgiving Christian, could be characterized as 'unsettled' but the most obvious reason for that is the freshness of the incident. (I banged my head pretty hard on a 2x4 yesterday and drew blood. I was/am okay, but it still smarted afterwards) Also interesting, nary a peep about the woman thing in the episode discussion. I'm not saying that Olli shouldn't be worried. I'm saying that he's pulling this "ohhhh no, you're really straight" crap right out of his ass. It's insulting and, if I may, manipulative. Yes, he has every right to be upset with Christian. But the whole problem he's exhibited during this SL is his inability to see how things look. He was there when Christian kissed Rebecca at the party - as were we. It wasn't passionate at ALL. That photo is a cheat. Olli's reaction to it is contrived for his own benefit. Yeah, be upset Olli. But be upset about what's really happening and don't be afraid to admit you've made mistakes. Don't be afraid to say, simply: I was wrong. I'm sorry. If you need a good example of how that goes, listen to your Mann.
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Post by thunderkat on May 31, 2010 13:34:03 GMT -5
Well soapfan Considering the fact that they're supposed to be in a state of discord at the moment, then the actors are doing their job and you're picking up on the exact emotion they want to give out. Discomfort, a slight feeling of "off-ness" wrong-footed-ness. I don't know if the writers can convince you that they belong together, you seem to have fallen completely out of the Chrolli fold, but I don't think their chemistry has changed, I think you're just reading exactly what you're supposed to be reading from their performances. And I don't think it would've made a difference what their orientations are, Christian was about to move to Goa with a woman he no longer loved, Christian does NOT give up on love - EVER and his actions show that he is still RIDICULOUSLY almost perilously in love with Olli. Olli doesn't ever give up either, that's how he got Christian in the first place, and here's hoping that they both wise up and remember that.
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Post by luckycharm on May 31, 2010 13:37:45 GMT -5
luckycharm No it is not wrong, but I think Olli would be better suited to a polyamorous relationship, and since Christian loves him so much, I'm sure he could convince his young Mann to go along with it. Oh... Christian would fight it at first . . . but the benefits would soon outweigh the negatives. Besides, a wise man once said the good of the many outweighs the good of the few... or the one. *granted that was shortly before he stepped into a matter/anti matter reactor and re-booted it with his bare hands... but I digress... my dork is showing...* Is this a reference to Angels & Demons? And, *ahem* utilitarianism....not that I subscribe to it, but in this instance, I can get behind it....the good for many would truly be if those fine specimens of masculine beauty were indeed single, or, polyamorous. Oh, yeah, and like...you know, not fictional, and stuff. ;D Olli is this amazing paradox of masculine yet gentle. There's a grace to him, an understanding; he's so good at being nurturing. And....he's so damn sensual. I would love to see how that plays out with a female counter-part, rather than a male (esp. Christian-like, who sometimes hedges for such affection, babying and pampering from Olli). Christian, I would like to see with someone who exudes as much testosterone as he seems to [someone not so pliant as Olli] - say, someone like his brother (key word, "like") or the new prince, Philip. I want to see some good ol'fashioned cock-fightin' that ends rough and hard, and...in bed. Although, I'm all aboard for a new twist to their storyline, polyamory, and actually giving it serious plotline. There are people who find that it works, and it would be interesting to explore that. *goes off to wash my keyboard, my hands, my brain.....* Out, damned spot! Out, I say!
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Post by lyddy3 on May 31, 2010 13:41:06 GMT -5
I know that Christian didn't seem as upset today, as Olli was visibly more emotional, but we never see Chrisian crying, except when Gregor almost died. However, he, to me, looked angry and ridiculously scared during that whole conversation. To me it looked like someone who didn't want to even believe that they were in the situation they were in. I think his acting is particularly good when he says 'und jetzt?', he looks like his heart is about to break. I think this scene was brilliantly acted by both.
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Post by Lightness on May 31, 2010 13:44:11 GMT -5
He was there when Christian kissed Rebecca at the party - as were we. It wasn't passionate at ALL. To me, it was. Okay, not THAT passionate like the first kiss between Becca and Christian. No, the photos of Rob/Olli were a cheat (too bad ).
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Post by SF on May 31, 2010 13:45:31 GMT -5
Well soapfan Considering the fact that they're supposed to be in a state of discord at the moment, then the actors are doing their job and you're picking up on the exact emotion they want to give out. Discomfort, a slight feeling of "off-ness" wrong-footed-ness. I don't know if the writers can convince you that they belong together, you seem to have fallen completely out of the Chrolli fold, but I don't think their chemistry has changed, I think you're just reading exactly what you're supposed to be reading from their performances. And I don't think it would've made a difference what their orientations are, Christian was about to move to Goa with a woman he no longer loved, Christian does NOT give up on love - EVER and his actions show that he is still RIDICULOUSLY almost perilously in love with Olli. Olli doesn't ever give up either, that's how he got Christian in the first place, and here's hoping that they both wise up and remember that. when i said lack of chemistry - i meant rather than me feeling like i was watching two people who didn't love eachother - i watched today and didn't even believe these were two people who had ever been in a relationship. it wasn't that they came across as thore or jo the actors rather than christian and olli. but usually the actors manage to convey a sense of reality where the writing is lacking or not explicit enough. but there was no background to these scenes. they were totally empty. they didn't connect with eachother. they don't connect with the story. (and in my opinion) thore didn't connect with the christian character today. and i certainly can't connect to 'chrolli' anymore. it's almost like they became bigger than themselves as 'chrolli' in my mind and my affection over the last few years. that i built them up to be this unstoppable force of love, and that nothing could come between such a unique and strong love. that they were meant to be together because they had survived so much and the actors were so good at showing two people believably enchanted with eachother. BUT today someone ripped away my magical rose tinted magnifying glass and there was nothing there. just two regular-to-good soap actors, acting out a mundane soap story in a regular glossy soap. in a way they were as far away from my idea of chrolli as they have EVER been since the beginning - but also MORE real chrolli than i have ever acknowledged before as well. that's what i meant...
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Post by thunderkat on May 31, 2010 13:46:28 GMT -5
That must have been expensive...but an investment for the business as scarf numbers are highly positively correlated with party profits.
MMM I see your point now Justamannsman, Olli afte the Rebecca kuss called for them to be open and honest with each other and you feel this fear of latent heterosexuality is not at the root of the issue, as it has never appeared before now. It's possible that Olli is projecting his own interest in Rob onto Christian and whatever female happens to be handy, in which case it's necessary for Oliver to work out who he's attracted to and what his priorities are. However, it's also possible that this fear of Olli's is a latent one. Just as Christian doesn't know why he keeps turning to women when he's feeling drunk and smoochy (I have an answer for you Christian...you're surrounded by really really attractive women, supply and demand you know) Olli might not know why this fear realizes itself NOW of all times. And of course it might only be situational. Back during the boxing and the Miriam smooch he was more secure in his relationship. But now, with the sudden rash and spate of fights, kisses and general bullshit (ie Rob) this very real, though misplaced, fear becomes paramount whereas it was a non issue before. In Olli's mind he's thinking (and here i disagree w. him) Christian doesn't support me, he doesn't want to spend time in NL with me anymore, he thinks my business is stupid AND he's kissing dumb heifers left and right . . . does he not wnt me anymore? am I not good enough for him? And since there are are (unfortunately) no men (or princes) around to vie for his attention, the "enemy" for Olli becomes womenkind in general.
I agree, that Olli has a problem with perspective, and that of course colors his actions, but I still cannot agree that my baby is manipulative. Of course...that could just be because he's put a spell on me ;D
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Post by sylstyle on May 31, 2010 13:50:26 GMT -5
JMM I don't think jealousy is something necessary in a relationship. I don't think that because Olli isn't jealous means that he loves Christian less. As for Christian being jealous that, for me, doesn't show love at all, I see it more like a way to oppress people, for me it's a reason to break up. If Olli worked in an office and Rob was a coworker it will be more business-like for Christian (different from current parties) ... IMO of course.
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Post by lizg12 on May 31, 2010 13:59:41 GMT -5
I REALLY don't want Olli to lose Christian or NoLimits. And I don't think he realizes how close he is to losing one or both. Or maybe he does now. So I'm just going to stay hiding here in the corner reviewing the NY panels (don't worry, no spoilers). Jo said that he thinks Olli wants Christian (sounds good to me). Jo, or maybe Tom Chroust (I haven't finished re-watching) said something bad has to come before something good (or something like that) This sounds like the bad. Until the good shows up, I'm going hunting for that picture in the NY thread of Jo & Thore with the NY skyline in the background. All blue skies & smiles. That's good enough for now And then I'll go watch the episode.
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Post by luckycharm on May 31, 2010 14:03:50 GMT -5
Well soapfan Considering the fact that they're supposed to be in a state of discord at the moment, then the actors are doing their job and you're picking up on the exact emotion they want to give out. Discomfort, a slight feeling of "off-ness" wrong-footed-ness. I don't know if the writers can convince you that they belong together, you seem to have fallen completely out of the Chrolli fold, but I don't think their chemistry has changed, I think you're just reading exactly what you're supposed to be reading from their performances. And I don't think it would've made a difference what their orientations are, Christian was about to move to Goa with a woman he no longer loved, Christian does NOT give up on love - EVER and his actions show that he is still RIDICULOUSLY almost perilously in love with Olli. Olli doesn't ever give up either, that's how he got Christian in the first place, and here's hoping that they both wise up and remember that. when i said lack of chemistry - i meant rather than me feeling like i was watching two people who didn't love eachother - i watched today and didn't even believe these were two people who had ever been in a relationship. it wasn't that they came across as thore or jo the actors rather than christian and olli. but usually the actors manage to convey a sense of reality where the writing is lacking or not explicit enough. but there was no background to these scenes. they were totally empty. they didn't connect with eachother. they don't connect with the story. (and in my opinion) thore didn't connect with the christian character today. and i certainly can't connect to 'chrolli' anymore. it's almost like they became bigger than themselves as 'chrolli' in my mind and my affection over the last few years. that i built them up to be this unstoppable force of love, and that nothing could come between such a unique and strong love. that they were meant to be together because they had survived so much and the actors were so good at showing two people believably enchanted with eachother. BUT today someone ripped away my magical rose tinted magnifying glass and there was nothing there. just two regular-to-good soap actors, acting out a mundane soap story in a regular glossy soap. in a way they were as far away from my idea of chrolli as they have EVER been since the beginning - but also MORE real chrolli than i have ever acknowledged before as well. that's what i meant... For me, the reason I want a Chrolli split is because I want to find out more, deeper, about the characters, as individuals, and I feel like this relationship - Chrolli - is hindering the audience from getting to see more naunces, flavours, of the characters of Olli and Christian, as individual beings. It's all one, undifferentiated blob - Chrolli. Christian the jealous caveman, and Olli, his naively pouty partner. Give them some bloody fire, FFS! No more dragged-out after-school-special bullshit. I also follow AWZ, and their introduction of Marc was bloody well executed, it makes me lament the debacle that is "Rob" all that more. So, I can see a bit where you're coming from soapfan, as Chrolli is just becoming a gimmick now, rather than an actual content-worthy story within it. They've watered the pair down so much that I feel like they would do well to throw the baby out with the bathwater, at this point. Although, I must say, Christian was on-point, like Olli, in today's epi. Christian, when he's really in hot soup, can't help but let his frustration turn to anger. When his back is pushed to the corner, he goes into "attack mode". Unlike with the Miriam kiss, where Christian played the "I'm sorry, forgive me" card, and it worked quite fast; in today's epi, Christian is becoming increasingly frustrated that the always-ready-to-forgive Olli is not bending as easily this time. So, his fear is creeping up on him, that this time he has pushed Olli's limits too far. And, frustration is building in him, in trying to figure out how to get Olli to "not take the kiss seriously". And, Olli's lack of understanding, I think, is making Christian antsy [it's a novel territory for him, as Olli comes around quite fast, in the past], hence why you see latent bitchiness from him, towards Olli. Christian is fearful but, his fear is being translated to frustration -> anger.
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Post by Lightness on May 31, 2010 14:03:55 GMT -5
I don't think jealousy is something necessary in a relationship. I don't think that because Olli isn't jealous means that he loves Christian less. As for Christian being jealous that, for me, doesn't show love at all, I agree with this.
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Post by FloMay on May 31, 2010 14:05:42 GMT -5
I know that Christian didn't seem as upset today, as Olli was visibly more emotional, but we never see Chrisian crying, except when Gregor almost died. However, he, to me, looked angry and ridiculously scared during that whole conversation. To me it looked like someone who didn't want to even believe that they were in the situation they were in. I think his acting is particularly good when he says 'und jetzt?', he looks like his heart is about to break. I think this scene was brilliantly acted by both. I agree, the acting has been spot on by both of them and I don't think that they have lost their on-screen chemistry at all. They are in the middle of the first seriously bad patch in their relationship and that has been played really well, but we still see their love for each other. Christian has never been the most immediately demonstrative or articulate person but he always comes through in the end and makes his feelings clear (telling Olli he's more important than his career, coming out in the boxing ring). Thore plays this aspect of Christian so well but he can also, as pointed out, show the full force of his love for Olli with just one look (on the beach, during the picnic at the castle). Of course, I'm also hoping for a seriously sexy reunion scene soon that will disprove all unfounded loss-of-chemistry theories forever! ;D
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Post by SF on May 31, 2010 14:12:10 GMT -5
I REALLY don't want Olli to lose Christian or NoLimits. And I don't think he realizes how close he is to losing one or both. Or maybe he does now. So I'm just going to stay hiding here in the corner reviewing the NY panels (don't worry, no spoilers). Jo said that he thinks Olli wants Christian (sounds good to me). Jo, or maybe Tom Chroust (I haven't finished re-watching) said something bad has to come before something good (or something like that) This sounds like the bad. Until the good shows up, I'm going hunting for that picture in the NY thread of Jo & Thore with the NY skyline in the background. All blue skies & smiles. That's good enough for now And then I'll go watch the episode. this BAD isn't good enough for me - isn't executed convincingly enough to make any GOOD a patch on the GOOD chrolli once was. this BAD is a joke - a cyclical, improbable, ennui of nothingness. they've wasted the christian and olli (i sort of resent the term 'chrolli' these days, because it limits them both) characters on petty squabbles, they've reduced them to child like caricatures of the sensitively drawn studies on two very different types of men they once were. christian is bafoon-like, a puff chested manchild. and olli is an insipid, teary eyed emotional joke wrapped up in technicolor packaging. the characters deserved so much more. and the actors seem to instinctively know how tedious this story is - because i don't feel them giving it their all like they used to. it's like they're relying on the fact that people will want 'chrolli' no matter what. so they've stopped producing 'chrolli' as it was. if i were to ever believe in 'chrolli' again, i'd have to have more to sustain and nourish my belief. from the writers and the actors. hell, even from the wardrobe people.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on May 31, 2010 14:27:33 GMT -5
JMM I don't think jealousy is something necessary in a relationship. I don't think that because Olli isn't jealous means that he loves Christian less. As for Christian being jealous that, for me, doesn't show love at all, I see it more like a way to oppress people, for me it's a reason to break up. If Olli worked in an office and Rob was a coworker it will be more business-like for Christian (different from current parties) ... IMO of course. Sylvain It may not be necessary, but it's real. Jealousy is the most destructive when it's imaginary, when one's rampant insecurities have no basis in reality, because there's just no way to address that. But here, Olli's behavior with Rob hasn't been imaginary; he's been protective, solicitous, accommodating, forgiving, and flirtatious with Rob. With Christian he's been dismissive, accusatory, inconsiderate, and dishonest. In fact, as far as Christian knows, Olli didn't push Rob away. He doesn't know that because Olli never described what actually happened. He's always characterized it as "that kiss" and justified it by saying it happened because of the attention that Rob was giving him, which sounds a lot like mutual attraction to me. And then he turns around and says that Christian has no reason to be jealous. I agree that if Olli worked in an office with Rob things might be different. In that case, Olli could appeal to a superior to stop Rob's blatant harassment. Unfortunately, here, Olli is the boss. It's up to him to stop it and he won't. I think it's obvious that he's just so intoxicated with the promise of success that Rob brings that he willfully ignores all the advances Rob makes. The question is "How far is [he] willing to take that?" And regarding Christian's jealousy, yes he's jealous. On the other hand, Rob told him specifically that he was not only trying to get into Olli's pants but also that if Christian made any noise about it and his drug dealing that he would take Olli down. Doesn't that add a more serious, more worrisome dimension to Christian's feelings towards Rob? Doesn't that make his motivations more complex than simple jealousy? IMO, of course, as well.
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Post by FloMay on May 31, 2010 14:45:10 GMT -5
if i were to ever believe in 'chrolli' again, i'd have to have more to sustain and nourish my belief. from the writers and the actors. hell, even from the wardrobe people.
The poor wardrobe dept, always on someone's shit list The misguided scarf use IS hard to come back from, they need to rebuild trust slowly...
On the rest, I agree that this SL could have been handled better, particularly re Rob's character turning out to be such a 2-D villain, but I've a long way to go before going over to the verklempt-side...I still love watching Chrolli - the actors are as brilliant as they ever were and the writing will get better and give them more SLs they can really do justice to (last bit is pure blind faith only )
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Post by chrolliforever7 on May 31, 2010 14:49:10 GMT -5
wow. Today was sad This "I'm sorry, it didn't mean anything" is getting SOOO old, tho. Christian just needs to stop overreacting and being an asshole! Olli's face is so heartbreaking
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Post by kes on May 31, 2010 15:44:52 GMT -5
I REALLY don't want Olli to lose Christian or NoLimits. And I don't think he realizes how close he is to losing one or both. Or maybe he does now. So I'm just going to stay hiding here in the corner reviewing the NY panels (don't worry, no spoilers). Jo said that he thinks Olli wants Christian (sounds good to me). Jo, or maybe Tom Chroust (I haven't finished re-watching) said something bad has to come before something good (or something like that) This sounds like the bad. Until the good shows up, I'm going hunting for that picture in the NY thread of Jo & Thore with the NY skyline in the background. All blue skies & smiles. That's good enough for now And then I'll go watch the episode. this BAD isn't good enough for me - isn't executed convincingly enough to make any GOOD a patch on the GOOD chrolli once was. this BAD is a joke - a cyclical, improbable, ennui of nothingness. they've wasted the christian and olli (i sort of resent the term 'chrolli' these days, because it limits them both) characters on petty squabbles, they've reduced them to child like caricatures of the sensitively drawn studies on two very different types of men they once were. christian is bafoon-like, a puff chested manchild. and olli is an insipid, teary eyed emotional joke wrapped up in technicolor packaging. the characters deserved so much more. and the actors seem to instinctively know how tedious this story is - because i don't feel them giving it their all like they used to. it's like they're relying on the fact that people will want 'chrolli' no matter what. so they've stopped producing 'chrolli' as it was. if i were to ever believe in 'chrolli' again, i'd have to have more to sustain and nourish my belief. from the writers and the actors. hell, even from the wardrobe people. Thanks for your comment. It actually helps to read this. Someone "gets" it -- that means a lot. The truth is not happy, but it is better acknowledged. Thanks Luckycharm and all the other great posters, too.
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Post by ivaniv on May 31, 2010 15:52:01 GMT -5
Olli clings on to Ropp no matter what, but really, what is Ropp's expertise? Waiting tables? Distributing drinks? Groping Olli's arse? Flirting shamelessly with him? I could do any of that without any credentials in party business.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on May 31, 2010 16:14:05 GMT -5
Gawd... when Christian licked that grape out of Miss Pony's mouth!? Amazingly porny and wow wow wow, the man is just too hot for his own good!!!!
I hope Chrolli work things out soon!!
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2010 16:30:02 GMT -5
Precisely, Ivan. IMO that is one of the (several) weaknesses of this SL. It's hard to believe that Rob is really indispensable to the kind of success Olli wants.
No more so than Wolle G was to Christian's (worth considering inasmuch as the writers are making parallels to C&O's original SL). I guess the difference is that whereas both C&O were very aware of Wolle's seriously unscrupulous nature, only Christian discerns the real Rob.
And however, this is, I think, the key to the interpretation of Christian's conduct now. The episode begins with Olli reaffirming his pleasure in his and Rob's continuing collaboration -- in Christian's hearing. And Christian knows that things can't really be right between him and Olli until Rob is 'out of picture'. Everything flows from this -- given how long this has been going on and so how frustrated Christian has become.
And by now he is quite bewildered, afraid -- even desperate -- and his behavior has become erratic. Because, I think, the sequence of fighting / making up has, in a sense, become as implausible / unsatisfying to him as it is to us.
I, personally, wish he would just break down (but I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, especially in someone who isn't given to such), just confess to Olli that he's lost, scared (after all, in an important sense, Olli's all he has left now), and just doesn't know how to proceed.
So maybe tomorrow he will . . . or maybe not.
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Post by joanna on May 31, 2010 16:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 17:01:56 GMT -5
I would just like to say my version of the dream sequence was way better than what was on the show today (please see Chrolli One Shots at the archive for my version) ;D Danke Nanna and Joanna and Ivan and MercuryMay and whoever else needs thanking
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Post by JustaMannsMan on May 31, 2010 17:02:35 GMT -5
thanks Nanna and tihkon. Whuuuuuuuuuuuuuut? Christian refuses food and then gives it away? !?!?!? Phhttttt. Next thing you know he'll be chasing skirts from Dusseldorf to Samarkand! See, kes, I "get" it, too.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2010 17:03:37 GMT -5
Oh, and incidentally, I don't think the "chemistry" between the two actors has faded at all. The latest VLOG ("Problem gebannt) shows it at its delightfullest!
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Post by lyra85 on May 31, 2010 17:16:04 GMT -5
I love Olli, I have from the beginning. I was and will ever be completely amazed by this caring, loyal, good-hearted guy. That said,
since this SL started I've been feeling closer to Christian's POV, like a lot. Today I was specially upset with Olli's reasoning. So, it's not about jealousy anymore, it's about trust, isn't it?
Obviously I can't trust you anymore
Excuse me??? Did you EVER?? your boyfriend for 2 years is warning you, from minute one, not to trust a guy you just meet that, moreover, is dealing drugs in your club. your boyfriend who hasn't lied to you a single time since you've been together. Has he been jealous before? YES. Is he jealous now? YES. Has he ever lied to you, jealousy and all? NO. He has always been honest with you. And you didn't ever stopped for a second an considered he could be right. Very nice.
Oh, and about the jealousy... IMO he has every reason to be jealous. what he couldn't be doing would be accusing Olli of cheating on him, since he has no proof and Olli has specifically told him that was not going to happen but, being jealous? why not? everytime Christian has been jealous (3 times in 2 years!) it was provoked (surprise!) by Olli flirting with other guys.
I have the feeling that Olli's rightness always comes from his pouting/sad faces and that's not fair. Maybe it's just me. Usually is ;D
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