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Post by katiem26 on Apr 10, 2010 11:56:37 GMT -5
i know its a bit off topic but that really upsets me. it makes me so mad that it's still illegal in the uk. it's ridiculous. i always think i'm quite proud to be european, and have a european outlook on life. but then when you think countries like the uk and germany won't legalise same sex marriage and a country with as murky a civil rights history as south africa made same sex marriage legal in 2006!!! i also really despise the word 'illegal' - whenever i see it in relation to same sex marriage it makes my blood boil, the connotations of that word and something like homosexuality are enough in my opinion to legalise marriage. i don't want to blame the prohibition of same sex marriage for all the social issues faced by being a gay person in this day and age, but i think it would go a long way to killing off some stereotypes and attitudes if it was made legal. and not just those held by the conservative, heterosexual segments of society - but by gay kids themselves. there isn't the sense of entitlement to long term happiness that straight kids have when they think house, marriage, babies. and that in my opinion is a damn shame. who knows, maybe it would even provide alternative SLs in soap operas so we wouldn't have to endure the endless rounds of rebecca and rob!! I hear you. I think here in Germany if two guys/two girls get a "registered partnership" most people say that they get married and nobody would call it a civil union or something. It just has a different official name and I think most (straight) people don't even know that there's a difference. But it's not the same and I really hope that that changes in the future, but unfortunately the only party that's against full gay marriage is in power right now. As far as I know, one of the most important goals for German gay rights groups are complete adoption rights for gay couples, as there is only stepchild-adoption right now. That's really a shame. As for Christian and Olli (yay, back on topic! ;D) I really hope they DON'T go to Canada to get married. I wanna see it on screen! And as there only was a lesbian wedding so far on VL, I really hope they want to do a gay one now. I don't think there will a possibility for another one so soon. And for their honeymoon they can got to lovely Canada Yeh so much for equal rights for everyone. Its so wrong. As for a Chrolli wedding im sure this forum would explode. Can you imagine the celebrations. ;D ;D
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Post by lizg12 on Apr 10, 2010 12:33:33 GMT -5
We think Rob is deviously evil now... I suspect he could be so much worse if he really wanted to ;D I think so too...I think he kept the key he got out of Olli's pocket. (2.30-50-ish on the clip)
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 10, 2010 13:20:11 GMT -5
I think so too...I think he kept the key he got out of Olli's pocket. (2.30-50-ish on the clip) Lizg12 - Very observant of you. It´s definately possible that he kept the key. We can´t see what he did with it. At least he didn´t give it back or put it on the table. It just seems to be gone, when Olli enters. But since I would expect some (soapy-like) dramatic focus on him putting the key away, if the show planned to use that later, I think it may very well just be a slip in logic, which probably most people wouldn´t even have noticed. I´m very impressed with you, Sherlock!
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Post by joanna on Apr 10, 2010 17:51:57 GMT -5
As for a Chrolli wedding im sure this forum would explode. And I'd probably do so many caps that photobucket would probably have no choice but to collapse in on itself, whimpering and rocking itself, to the end, with the caps words 'Chrolliweddingchrolliweddingchrolliweddingchrolliweddingchrolliweddingchrolliweddingch....'! ;D
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 10, 2010 17:53:47 GMT -5
If they got married it be soooooooo happy oh my god.
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 10, 2010 21:03:36 GMT -5
If Chrolli got married I'd fly out to Cologne, sneak onto the set, and become an extra. Or tie up the actor playing the pastor and impersonate him using smiles and nods to mask my lack of ability to speak German. ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 21:11:20 GMT -5
FTLNewsFeed: That would be brilliant, just nod and smile a lot and write your lines out phonetically and you'll be fine. Of course I think since you met the actors in New York at GOOL they might recognize you, do you have a good disguise so Jo and Thore aren't like "Hey wait a minute didn't we see you in New York? Why are you the paster I thought we hired some German dude to play that part." ;D I could totally seeing a fan doing that though Brilliant! Also they would look really good in their tuxes
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 10, 2010 21:28:47 GMT -5
FTLNewsFeed: That would be brilliant, just nod and smile a lot and write your lines out phonetically and you'll be fine. Of course I think since you met the actors in New York at GOOL they might recognize you, do you have a good disguise so Jo and Thore aren't like "Hey wait a minute didn't we see you in New York? Why are you the paster I thought we hired some German dude to play that part." ;D I could totally seeing a fan doing that though Brilliant! Also they would look really good in their tuxes Most actors don't know who the casting department has hired to play a part until they're on the set that day, so that works in my favor. And I agree, Jo and Thore would be smoking hot in their tuxes. That's why being an extra might be more easy to pull off -- I wouldn't have to open up my mouth and risk my tongue falling to the floor or drooling over seeing them so dressed up in their best and the crying at seeing this dream come true could actually work in a wedding scene. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 21:35:35 GMT -5
I've worked on sets before and yeah it is true most of ther time the actors don;t meet the extras till they are actually there on set with one another (when I was an extra on Dreamboat was the only time I met the actors a few days early only because I had to do a scene where the actor grabs my arm and pulls me up onto a horse and we needed to practice it was great he didn't speak English and my German was none existant then at least now I know a few words and phrases ;D). I would love to see you sitting there in the stands as Olli or Christian's distant cousin or something crying with happiness I'd be like "look it's FTLNewsFeed in the second row to the left, Rebecca move out of the way women!"
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 10, 2010 22:16:31 GMT -5
Sorry, I couldn't help myself: ;D ;D ;D (my own personal thumbing of my nose at the WBC)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 22:24:35 GMT -5
That is brilliant!!!! I love it
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 11, 2010 1:11:54 GMT -5
Okey dokey...back to episode chat please.Thanks folks!
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 11, 2010 5:24:08 GMT -5
I don't like the way Olli is handling all this mess with Rob.
I know it is a soap and if everything was clear from the beginning and everyone did as they should they'll be no show but c'mon!
the guy has told you he's into you, has kissed you and now he invites you to a spa (god! he has some nerve) clearly wanting to get into your pants and your response is: oh, sorry casually I am meeting my boyfriend, maybe next time WTF? I would expect somehting like: look Rob, it's not going to be now and it' never going to happen cause I am in love with someone else, please respect that.
I particularly disliked when he was explaining to Christian how the kiss happened and he says something like: sorry but we were not seeing each other much and he was there paying me some attention WTF?! what's the point for that? trying to make him feel gilty about what? about you staying out all night and not even let him know? about you cancelling all your plans together? about falling asleep while he is at his dressage competition? about bringing Rob along?
well, I guess that's just my opinion
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Post by maya on Apr 11, 2010 6:40:57 GMT -5
I particularly disliked when he was explaining to Christian how the kiss happened and he says something like: sorry but we were not seeing each other much and he was there paying me some attention WTF?! Personally I don't consider this explanation worse than what Christian said to David about his (nauseating) kiss with Rebecca: "We were both feeling frustrated and sad so it happened". So Christian was frustrated and sad because his boyfriend kissed another guy and his solution was to kiss Rebecca WTF? Besides at least Olli interrupted the kiss almost immidiately while the same cannot be said about Christian and without David who knows how far he wuold have gone with Rebecca
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Post by lyddy3 on Apr 11, 2010 6:57:52 GMT -5
I particularly disliked when he was explaining to Christian how the kiss happened and he says something like: sorry but we were not seeing each other much and he was there paying me some attention WTF?! Personally I don't consider this explanation worse than what Christian said to David about his (nauseating) kiss with Rebecca: "We were both feeling frustrated and sad so it happened". So Christian was frustrated and sad because his boyfriend kissed another guy and his solution was to kiss Rebecca WTF? Besides at least Olli interrupted the kiss almost immidiately while the same cannot be said about Christian and without David who knows how far he wuold have gone with Rebecca Yeah, I agree, I think Christian has exactly the same excuse for his actions as Olli, although I'm not saying that makes it a good excuse. I kind of see them to be equal in what they have done wrong now. They both kissed other people and let it go on longer than it should have (Christian I'm looking at you in particular...). But then just because Olli wasn't technically kissing Rob that long, he ignored Christian many times in order to see Rob, which I think is just as bad as he chose to betray Christian on a number of occasions, rather than just on one when he got caught up in the moment. And I shudder at the thought of what might have happened without David walking in. I'd like to think Christian might have thought WTF am I doing and run away, but then again they were getting pretty into it...*goes and watches part 89 to feel better*
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 11, 2010 7:30:40 GMT -5
Lyra85, you´re right, wouldn´t be a soap if things just went smooth and we wouldn´t have any misunderstandings, obstacles to overcome and problems to solve. Just like in real life, isn´t it? How many situations do we find ourselves in, that we could have handled better, where we allowed our own insecurities to get the better of us or acted just plain stupid? That´s what makes us human.
I don´t think it was wrong of Olli to tell Christian that he liked the attention he was getting from Rob. Because it´s the truth. Always a good thing. That is a conversation that has to happen and has to last much longer. Right now Olli obviously just wanted things to be better as fast as possible and Christian wasn´t in the right state of mind for that kind of conversation.
But the topic has to be adressed. We could see that Olli liked Rob´s attention. I think others have commented on it in the past, it always looked like Olli would shower Christian with his attention, but that Christian often seemed less generous with his affections. If Olli has such kind of issues, he has to voice his need to have more attention. Christian, just as much as every other person, can only react if he knows about it. We all often expect others to just „know“ - most of the time while we´re sending out totally different signals. Doesn´t ususally work out well.
I absolutely agree about Olli having made what now looks like a long list of mistakes. And yet we´re coming full circle. All of those things happened, because Olli started to pursue a goal and started looking for affirmation and attention. Good for him! He just has to find a way to involve his boyfriend and the two of them need to have that looooong, deep, bloody conversation! (On screen would be nice)
But as it´s a soap that IMO reflects real life quite well at the moment, I suspect this won´t happen very soon. And I like the drama and brilliant acting we get to see along the way.
As for Christian: There is no excuse for that kiss – and he knows it. Even if he starts making excuses, he knows it was stupid and wrong. It´s written all over his face.
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Post by SF on Apr 11, 2010 7:33:13 GMT -5
i reckon they could have gone a LOT further. and in a way i think it's a shame that david DID walk in. aside from him saving my eyes, IF christian had boinked rebecca then and there, there'd be no question for me - chribecca was never gone happen. cos you can't build an epic soap romance on the glorious foundations of a miserable, retaliatory ONS. whenever christian looked at rebecca after that, he'd only see heartbreak and pain and extreme guilt. as it stands chribecca's still a very real possibility for me.
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Post by maya on Apr 11, 2010 7:43:12 GMT -5
i reckon they could have gone a LOT further. and in a way i think it's a shame that david DID walk in. aside from him saving my eyes, IF christian had boinked rebecca then and there, there'd be no question for me - chribecca was never gone happen. cos you can't build an epic soap romance on the glorious foundations of a miserable, retaliatory ONS. whenever christian looked at rebecca after that, he'd only see heartbreak and pain and extreme guilt. as it stands chribecca's still a very real possibility for me. Of course you're right about this but doesn't matter what will happen in the future, even IF Chribbecca happens it will never be an epic soap romance. It will be just another boring, chemistry free straight couple and they will never gain the huge following that Ollian still has.
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 11, 2010 8:00:51 GMT -5
i think that really only happened after the beginning of this year end of last year? perhaps when they were gearing up for this story? Last summer, actually even before that, Christian was very very affectionate and attentive toward Oliver up to and including november, i feel.
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 11, 2010 8:12:23 GMT -5
Of course you are all completely right, there's no excuse for "I feel so bad my bf kissed someone else that I'll be doing the same thing", I am still a bit freaked out with that kiss with Rebecca and still trying to decide what did it mean (because, sorry Christian, that was not JUST a kiss) but I tend to see things on Christian's side, maybe because I am a bit like him, reserved with my feelings or at least with the way I show them off. I find ironic that Olli has chosen for complaining about not getting attention the moment where probably Christian is more all over him. I don't know if my english makes any sense When Christian was boxing he told Olli that their relationship was more important to him than his career and that he was willing to give it up if Olli couldn't deal with it. That kind of gesture is what I keep on waiting for Olli to do. I have the feeling that Olli wants to have it all which is fine but he may lose some things along the way and my fear is that Christian is no longer a priority for him.
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 11, 2010 8:41:36 GMT -5
thunderkat, I don´t really remember when exactly that was brought up, I just remember reading a lot of comments about it. And I agree, that if we are to assume that Christian was less obvious with his affections, it was part of the current story. I alwas felt that he just has a different way of expressing himself. One of my favourite scenes at the hangar comes to mind, when he „crawls“ under then window to get to Olli because that´s what he felt Olli needed that moment (if I remember correctly, Brownsugar wrote a wonderful comment about that scene from 05/10/2009).
BTW what happened to your avatar and signature? I haven´t been able to see them for some days now.
Lyra85. I feel the same. I always try to see things from both sides, but Christian´s personality is just a little closer to me. And Olli had a way of getting close to him, that I still find extremely special and beautiful.
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 11, 2010 9:41:43 GMT -5
thunderkat, I don´t really remember when exactly that was brought up, I just remember reading a lot of comments about it. And I agree, that if we are to assume that Christian was less obvious with his affections, it was part of the current story. I alwas felt that he just has a different way of expressing himself. One of my favourite scenes at the hangar comes to mind, when he „crawls“ under then window to get to Olli because that´s what he felt Olli needed that moment (if I remember correctly, Brownsugar wrote a wonderful comment about that scene from 05/10/2009). Exactly! that doesn't mean he's not willing to show affection, I remember when Christian was getting ready for his date with Olli in the castle, he was head over heels, bouncing around, kissing Ms Lentil, David, saying how great love was... and after keep him waiting Olli arrives with Rob. Even I felt disappointed!
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Post by chrollifan211 on Apr 11, 2010 12:25:32 GMT -5
I am so glad that David walked in soapfan because if christian had sex with her it would be the definate end of Chrolli and I wouldn't be able to look at Christian the same again! It could have gone farther but thank God it didn't!
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 11, 2010 14:13:58 GMT -5
i think that really only happened after the beginning of this year end of last year? perhaps when they were gearing up for this story? Last summer, actually even before that, Christian was very very affectionate and attentive toward Oliver up to and including november, i feel. Yup. More or less around the time Olli flung himself into orbit around Rob. It's not the case that Christian hasn't been affectionate at all since that time, it's just that, as with any satellite in motion, there are only short periods of time when Olli's actually near enough to Christian that Christian can even get a glimpse of him, before Olli spins away, out of sight, out of reach. I don´t think it was wrong of Olli to tell Christian that he liked the attention he was getting from Rob. Because it´s the truth. Always a good thing. I don't think it's ever wrong to speak the truth. However, I was disappointed that he rationalized it as a response or reaction to he and Christian not doing a lot together, being "so busy with [their] own stuff." That's not the reason or the issue; he thought the same before when he whipped up the lovely decoupage "Love Schedule" which didn't work (and after that Christian noted that they had been spending more time together but that it wasn't helping). Olli has always had a knack for seeing other peoples mistakes/problems and suggesting a remedy; he seems to be incapable of doing the same for himself - e.g. asking Rebecca how he could prove to Christian that Rob had no chance with him. Instead, when it comes to his own mistakes, he tends to manipulate (whether consciously or unconsciously) the circumstances so that he won't have to shoulder the blame for his own behavior - for instance, blaming Christian's jealousy on Christian's not believing that Rob has no chance with him instead of looking at his own behavior and wondering how that could make it difficult to believe that Rob had no chance (forget Christian for a moment - Rob doesn't believe that... Christ, even MIRIAM doesn't believe it); or for instance, saying that he and Christian need to "be more open with each other," instead of just apologizing for letting Rob get close enough to kiss him and then (far more egregious in my book) lying about it repeatedly. It's not only disingenuous, it demands that he accept the very same argument for Christian kissing Rebecca. And, somehow, I doubt he will.
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 11, 2010 14:34:19 GMT -5
^ l l l
( uh oh... ;D ! )
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