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Post by sylstyle on Mar 22, 2010 14:42:02 GMT -5
mmmmm. I'm SURE he IS.... ;D ;D ;D ;D I love you I'm really tired tonight ;D Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Mar 22, 2010 14:42:07 GMT -5
Well... we could play devil's advocate and argue that Olli's rather...enthusiastic "training" is what pushed Christian's heart over the edge...that boy is insatiable! Yeah Yeah!! You're right. I thought about that too but I don't remember Christian complaining while "undergoing" that vigorous training. Ha, would you?
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Mar 22, 2010 14:43:49 GMT -5
haha i think we were all thinking wat thunderkat was thinking ;D
Yep, saw this one coming! hahaa
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Post by scarpien on Mar 22, 2010 14:44:23 GMT -5
Yeah Yeah!! You're right. I thought about that too but I don't remember Christian complaining while "undergoing" that vigorous training. Ha, would you? HELL NO!! I'm hoping Jo channels some Olli and trains me in 4 days!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by kes on Mar 22, 2010 14:44:50 GMT -5
Sadly, I think this was meant to be foreshadowing: the baby is dead; Christian and Olli's relationship is dead -- for now.However, my hope is that Nathalie finds out she is pregnant again -- and has a boy named Ben. That would be a sweet reversal. Kes, I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it. I'm hoping the writers are just torturing us, yet again, and will not harm Chrolli in any way. Scarpien, I don't think they will in the long run -- not since the Chrolli wrights sold in the US. Also, they seem to like Nathalie (as I do -- even if I find her stories boring, she is gorgeous, and played by a fine actress). I think they will bring Nathalie her baby, and they will bring Olli and Christian back together. But for now, it is rather bittersweet -- and I have to admit, I like the way it was written, even if it was horribly sad. As for Olli: I'm not sure if I like how far they are pushing Olli into the "stupid/ hurtful" partner role. I like mischevious Olli, but being out all night without calling your live-in lover and then not going to him first thing to apologize, well, that's a bit over-the-top for me. I suppose we could say: Olli has two ways of being -- Mr. Supportive, and Mr. Selfish -- and not a lot in between. Has this been true of him in the past? Anyway, I can understand his state a bit. Christian's anger scares me a bit. I don't think he'd ever abuse Olli, but he is frightning, and I would not be able to be in a relationship with him. I'd always be walking on eggshells, worrying about when I might run afowl of his insecurities. But I so understand Christian: I'd be furious and so so hurt if my partner stayed out all night with another person and never told me about it, particularly when I knew that person was good-looking and had the hots for him. However, I still love Rob. Why? He's so able to play one against the other, it's just delicious and more than a little evil. I still think he should be Tanja's brother. He and Tanja would make a pair, nu?
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Post by scarpien on Mar 22, 2010 14:51:57 GMT -5
Kes, I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it. I'm hoping the writers are just torturing us, yet again, and will not harm Chrolli in any way. Scarpien, I don't think they will in the long run -- not since the Chrolli wrights sold in the US. Also, they seem to like Nathalie (as I do -- even if I find her stories boring, she is gorgeous, and played by a fine actress). I think they will bring Nathalie her baby, and they will bring Olli and Christian back together. But for now, it is rather bittersweet -- and I have to admit, I like the way it was written, even if it was horribly sad. As for Olli: I'm not sure if I like how far they are pushing Olli into the "stupid/ hurtful" partner role. I like mischevious Olli, but being out all night without calling your live-in lover and then not going to him first thing to apologize, well, that's a bit over-the-top for me. I suppose we could say: Olli has two ways of being -- Mr. Supportive, and Mr. Selfish -- and not a lot in between. Has this been true of him in the past? Anyway, I can understand his state a bit. Christian's anger scares me a bit. I don't think he'd ever abuse Olli, but he is frightning, and I would not be able to be in a relationship with him. I'd always be walking on eggshells, worrying about when I might run afowl of his insecurities. But I so understand Christian: I'd be furious and so so hurt if my partner stayed out all night with another person and never told me about it, particularly when I knew that person was good-looking and had the hots for him. However, I still love Rob. Why? He's so able to play one against the other, it's just delicious and more than a little evil. I still think he should be Tanja's brother. He and Tanja would make a pair, nu? My mind ran on Tanya today. Is the actress who plays her pregnant again or something cause Tanya sure has been in that coma a long time. But you're right, Rob, Tanya and Tristan would make for great sibling rivalry. ;D ;D ;D Even though this is drama, I'd much rather prefer Chrolli facing drama as a loving unit rather than as foes. This storyline has got me on eggshells cause I really don't like how they're portraying Olli. You know my heart beats for him so I can't take this. Regarding Christian, we all know if he'd just went to Olli when he first saw something suspicious at that party and Olli had seen the drug deal for himself, then we'd not even be at this point and time in their relationship. So you got your drama but at both Christian and Olli's expense.
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Post by ivaniv on Mar 22, 2010 14:59:56 GMT -5
I think Christian knows Olli very well, he saw something wasn't right, that's why he was pushing. As for supportive Olli, I do not want to belittle anything he did, but his support meant to be next to Christian, to go training, jogging with him, yes he got Judith to be his beard, but the bottom line was they were together. And Christian used to tell him if as a boxer he could not be with him properly together then he'd rather give up his dream. Olli did not let him do it, but words like that must have made it all worthwhile. Only a couple days before the match when Christian was building up testosterone and anger to put into the match, he started to push Olli away and Olli could not stand that anymore. Ironically, that's what Olli wants from Christian - stay away, don't interfere with my business with Bob, I have to put him above you and you should support me in that, for indefinite time.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Mar 22, 2010 15:00:53 GMT -5
Well... we could play devil's advocate and argue that Olli's rather...enthusiastic "training" is what pushed Christian's heart over the edge...that boy is insatiable! "You always know the right thing to say."
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Post by kes on Mar 22, 2010 15:03:05 GMT -5
Scarpien: I agree - it is hard to be on Olli's side today. I mean, having Christian APOLOGIZE to the guy who tried to make a pass at you?
I'd love to hear from people who have known Olli for a long time: Have we seen this level of manipulation from Olli before?
I have to admit, the answer may be yes.
People may not like this, but I'll explain. I'll also stress one thing: I like Olli all the more for having a manipulative side. He is no Rob, no Tanja, but he's no angel either -- thank goodness. He never has been.
I know that he has been a guy who gets what he wants, and when he wants something he doesn't stop. Think of his pursuit of Christian. It was romantic for us, but he ran circles around poor Coco, manipulating her feelings at every turn, keeping her hooked. For example, when she saw the "C" on the Christmas gift and thought it was for her. Olli did not answer with the warmth of one who had once been a close friend to her and passionately kissed her: he was cold, and inferred that she must have a "thing" for him.
If one is objective, one can see Olli insinuating himself into Christian's life, then getting Christian -- and not only once playing manipulative games. For example, he's always played at flirting around Christian; he went to Ibiza and stayed through Christmas -- never inviting Christian to join him -- for what? Six weeks! Wow.
Then, when he gets back, he slowly gets it in his head to take No Limits and once he's focused on that choice he doesn't let anything stand in his way.
I may be missing things, but I know others have agreed with me about Olli in the past.
He's got a sneaky bit of Olivia in him. And again, it is what I love about him.
Rob just plays that part of him. Rob might be the villain, but he plays off of/manipulates Olli through Olli's own vices (his tunnel vision, his need to have what he wants when he wants it). And now he is playing off of/manipulating Christian's vice: his jealousy, his possessiveness, his sometimes frighteningly intense anger.
I have to admit, I find it riveting.
But remember, I love Tanja.
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Post by joanna on Mar 22, 2010 15:07:17 GMT -5
Whilst capping, I've just spotted something I didn't register much originally: just after David tells Christian Olli loves him, and immediately before he says he knows, Christian has this lil 'moment' where he smiles at the knowledge of Olli's love for him. He KNOWS, regardless of the rubbish that's currently going on, that Olli really does loves him. Back to the caps... ETA: And where, and not just in this episode, you have others 'reminding' Olli and Christian of their love for each other, saying they make a great couple, etc...I think that's not just serving the characters but deliberately meant as a reminder to the audience, too...
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Mar 22, 2010 15:21:12 GMT -5
Scarpien: I agree - it is hard to be on Olli's side today. I mean, having Christian APOLOGIZE to the guy who tried to make a pass at you? I'd love to hear from people who have known Olli for a long time: Have we seen this level of manipulation from Olli before? I have to admit, the answer may be yes. People may not like this, but I'll explain. I'll also stress one thing: I like Olli all the more for having a manipulative side. He is no Rob, no Tanja, but he's no angel either -- thank goodness. He never has been.I know that he has been a guy who gets what he wants, and when he wants something he doesn't stop. Think of his pursuit of Christian. It was romantic for us, but he ran circles around poor Coco, manipulating her feelings at every turn, keeping her hooked. For example, when she saw the "C" on the Christmas gift and thought it was for her. Olli did not answer with the warmth of one who had once been a close friend to her and passionately kissed her: he was cold, and inferred that she must have a "thing" for him. If one is objective, one can see Olli insinuating himself into Christian's life, then getting Christian -- and not only once playing manipulative games. For example, he's always played at flirting around Christian; he went to Ibiza and stayed through Christmas -- never inviting Christian to join him -- for what? Six weeks! Wow. Then, when he gets back, he slowly gets it in his head to take No Limits and once he's focused on that choice he doesn't let anything stand in his way. I may be missing things, but I know others have agreed with me about Olli in the past. I certainly agree with you. From where I sit, in the past, Olli's controlling behavior was mitigated by the fact that he was, more often than not, trying to "help" people, for their own good, even if they asked him not to (Judith beard, for example). Now, with himself as the focus, mixed with ambition, it's toxic. And interestingly, frustratingly, he's ultimately hurting himself. For, what profiteth a man to gain all the parties of Dusseldorf, if he loses his one and only Mann.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Mar 22, 2010 15:23:08 GMT -5
Whilst capping, I've just spotted something I didn't register much originally: just after David tells Christian Olli loves him, and immediately before he says he knows, Christian has this lil 'moment' where he smiles at the knowledge of Olli's love for him. He KNOWS, regardless of the rubbish that's currently going on, that Olli really does loves him. Back to the caps... ETA: And where, and not just in this episode, you have others 'reminding' Olli and Christian of their love for each other, saying they make a great couple, etc...I think that's not just serving the characters but deliberately meant as a reminder to the audience, too... You're so right, Joanna, they both know they love each other. And all the characters around them, well most of the characters around them, are reminding them. Lets take that as a good sign, eh? ;D
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Post by kes on Mar 22, 2010 15:25:36 GMT -5
For, what profiteth a man to gain all the parties of Dusseldorf, if he loses his one and only Mann. ;D ;D
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Post by scarpien on Mar 22, 2010 15:49:52 GMT -5
Scarpien: I agree - it is hard to be on Olli's side today. I mean, having Christian APOLOGIZE to the guy who tried to make a pass at you? I'd love to hear from people who have known Olli for a long time: Have we seen this level of manipulation from Olli before? I have to admit, the answer may be yes. People may not like this, but I'll explain. I'll also stress one thing: I like Olli all the more for having a manipulative side. He is no Rob, no Tanja, but he's no angel either -- thank goodness. He never has been.I know that he has been a guy who gets what he wants, and when he wants something he doesn't stop. Think of his pursuit of Christian. It was romantic for us, but he ran circles around poor Coco, manipulating her feelings at every turn, keeping her hooked. For example, when she saw the "C" on the Christmas gift and thought it was for her. Olli did not answer with the warmth of one who had once been a close friend to her and passionately kissed her: he was cold, and inferred that she must have a "thing" for him. If one is objective, one can see Olli insinuating himself into Christian's life, then getting Christian -- and not only once playing manipulative games. For example, he's always played at flirting around Christian; he went to Ibiza and stayed through Christmas -- never inviting Christian to join him -- for what? Six weeks! Wow. Then, when he gets back, he slowly gets it in his head to take No Limits and once he's focused on that choice he doesn't let anything stand in his way. I may be missing things, but I know others have agreed with me about Olli in the past. I certainly agree with you. From where I sit, in the past, Olli's controlling behavior was mitigated by the fact that he was, more often than not, trying to "help" people, for their own good, even if they asked him not to (Judith beard, for example). Now, with himself as the focus, mixed with ambition, it's toxic. And interestingly, frustratingly, he's ultimately hurting himself. For, what profiteth a man to gain all the parties of Dusseldorf, if he loses his one and only Mann. LOL. One thing I've come to know about Olli's character is that he doesn't do anything half-heartedly. Whatever he puts his mind to he dives right in head first. When he fancied Christian he went after him and only held off when he thought there was no chance Christian was into men. But after that night at the club when Christian let it "slip" via his jealousy that he had feelings for Olli, only then did he resume his drive to win Christian over. So now he now desires to be party king of Dusseldorf; he sees Rob as the means to achieve this. So, whereas Rob may be using him for whatever means--to peddle drugs at NoLimits or because he does truly have a thing for Olli--we see that Olli is using him too. I'm sure once Olli gets what he wants he will discard Rob and focus once again on Christian. But this will be a bumpy ride in the meantime.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Mar 22, 2010 16:06:05 GMT -5
LOL. One thing I've come to know about Olli's character is that he doesn't do anything half-heartedly. Whatever he puts his mind to he dives right in head first. When he fancied Christian he went after him and only held off when he thought there was no chance Christian was into men. But after that night at the club when Christian let it "slip" via his jealousy that he had feelings for Olli, only then did he resume his drive to win Christian over. Funny how Christian's jealousy was oh so attractive then, huh? For me the problem is that while Olli may think he's using Rob, and to some extent he is, not trusting Christian about the drugs means Olli really doesn't have the upper hand because he doesn't have all the information necessary to assess and manage the risk of Rob. Also, curiously, as lolaruns alluded to in another thread, Olli sure felt differently about this sort of risk when Christian was faking steroid use to get further with Wolle. (actually, I never understood Olli's aversion to that ploy; perhaps he was just jealous that he didn't think of it first ;D)
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Post by Nitty on Mar 22, 2010 16:15:24 GMT -5
I get why Olli didn't tell Christian about the kiss; Christian would flip out and Olli would lose his precious party connection. Makes sense. I don't get why Olli made Christian apologize after Rob "kissed" him AGAIN and in front of his boyfriend. Shouldn't Olli be a little weirded out that Rob is touching him and kissing his cheek, only hours after the other kiss attack? And Olli JUST told Christian that Rob hit on him. He knows Christian hates Rob. He knows Christian gets extremely jealous when there's no reason to be. Rob wanting Olli is a justifiable reason. Olli knows how Christian is, so why would he make Christian apologize for being himself? And why the hell did Christian apologize?! He should have stood his ground. He should have said something about how Rob was deliberately provoking him. At least his apology didn't seem sincere. And why the need for an apology anyway? Rob certainly didn't look like he needed one. He was smirking, for fucks sake. I bet he liked Christian's rough touch. Whatever, at least the boys got some real screen time today. Thanks Sonnenschein, Joanna, and Nanna!
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Post by joanna on Mar 22, 2010 16:15:45 GMT -5
A full set of caps is now up in the thread opener. Sorry for the wait, guys.x
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Post by sylstyle on Mar 22, 2010 16:28:04 GMT -5
Thank you so much Joanna ;D
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Post by bel7003 on Mar 22, 2010 16:48:04 GMT -5
I'm loving to read these comments. They just show two very important things: the boys are having a lot of screen time and, despite the obvious writing, the guys (the 3 of them) are doing a great acting job.
Thanks Nanna and Joanna for all your work.
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Post by luckycharm on Mar 22, 2010 16:51:18 GMT -5
In the screencaps, what are the little kid's birthday pics about? The two featuring C/O?
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Post by joanna on Mar 22, 2010 16:58:37 GMT -5
In the screencaps, what are the little kid's birthday pics about? The two featuring C/O? Whilst taking a nap in her flat, Nathalie has a dream in which, at NL, her and Matthias are celebrating her son's birthday...Christian and Olli coming in, all 'Happy Birthday' (said in English!), etc, and presenting them with a birthday cake. And in the dream, she is calling her and Matthias' son Ben.
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Post by sio127 on Mar 22, 2010 17:00:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the hard work...Nanna, Joanna and Sonneschein (I missed you!!)
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Mar 22, 2010 17:56:59 GMT -5
When was this?? Was it a flashback?? Didn't see it in the video.
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Post by joanna on Mar 22, 2010 18:16:57 GMT -5
When was this?? Was it a flashback?? Didn't see it in the video. See two posts up from yours! Presume you mean Nanna's video? Haven't had chance to watch that yet...but if you check out the ep in the Mediathek[/url], the scene you want starts from 7 minutes and 8 seconds in...with the 'dream' part starting from 7 minutes and 26 seconds.
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Post by joanna on Mar 22, 2010 18:49:08 GMT -5
As that 'dream' wasn't in Nanna's vid (yep, I've just watched in...endlich!)...(You know what's coming, don't you, Lugia?! ;D)...could someone please let me know what was said in it (at least Christian and Olli's lines)? Obviously don't need the English-spoken 'Happy Birthday' translated, though! DANKE!x
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