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Post by caitlinp on Aug 18, 2010 19:08:34 GMT -5
i like it that Reid accepted Luke's apology, and then let it go, that's not always the case on ATWT, or with Luke's relationships in general. He was also incredibly patient with Luke, which was nice, but it would have been understandable if he lost his cool when Luke asked for his patient's name.
I don't usually let actors off for mailing it in, which Roger has been doing for years, but in his defense, Paul is just a bad imitation of One Life To Live's Todd Manning. Roger is a great actor, but it must really hurt him that he left OLTL, because it made him sick that women were coming up to him and saying that they wanted him to rape them, and then when he came to ATWT he was just playing the same character again.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 18, 2010 20:22:20 GMT -5
R: A couple of months ago I wouldn't have cared. I definitely wouldn't have gotten involved. L: And now you're seeing a patient in private, keeping secrets for a guy who's after the same job that you want. R: Even stepping up to help him get the job. Good God, who the hell am I? I hardly recognize myself. L: Reid, shut up with all this fake bravado. Underneath it all, you're a doctor. And you have a good heart. And you can't stand to see anyone suffer. R: Usually I don't mind seeing them fail. Especially if they have something I want and they're standing in my way. L: Well, could it be that you're actually evolving? R: Changing, that's for sure. I guess I have you to thank for that. I can't deny the chemistry between them in this scene, but, dear God, this whole thing is so ATWT. Noah misinterprets and overstates what he sees (because, of course, he has to give Luke a reason to doubt Reid). Luke then overreacts (as he is wont to do) and challenges Reid, who is forced to admit his involvement with Chris' medical condition to keep from losing Luke. And in the process Luke becomes even more smitten with Reid than he already was. Yep, that sounds like ATWT. Little actual character development, just using Noah to bring Luke and Reid closer. On a side note, this idiotic medical "drama" with Chris needs to stop now. It was a poor premise at the outset, and it's not getting any better as they drag it out. They won't stop, of course, but I can dream .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 7:09:19 GMT -5
I don't usually let actors off for mailing it in, which Roger has been doing for years, but in his defense, Paul is just a bad imitation of One Life To Live's Todd Manning. Roger is a great actor, but it must really hurt him that he left OLTL, because it made him sick that women were coming up to him and saying that they wanted him to rape them, and then when he came to ATWT he was just playing the same character again. Right, Todd Manning! I remembered him being good in something else. I remember also liking the actress who played Blair. The last time I saw him in that was years ago though. I guess there’s someone else who’s kind of glad this show is done with then.
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Post by anthonyl on Aug 22, 2010 19:53:15 GMT -5
I actually didn't like that Reid told Luke about Chris. I realize that it was done to bring them closer and show Reid's humanity, but I don't like that Reid betrayed his patient's confidence to appease Luke. Luke needs to realize he can't know everything about Reid's life and job and Reid needed to stick to that. They could have had Luke find out about Chris (maybe by accident) and have him admire and fall for Reid even more and had Reid not betray Chris' trust.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 23, 2010 4:23:23 GMT -5
Reid wouldn't have to lie if Chris have acted with responsability. The truth is that Chris actions tell a lot about his personality and i don't think he could be a Chief of Staff at all. And for once i understand Luke, if Reid told him from the begining what he was doing (even without the name of the patient) he wouldn't have any reason to be suspicious
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 23, 2010 10:48:41 GMT -5
I think they had to show that Luke and Reid trust one another, even though they could have done a better job at conveying that message. I think that Luke was out of line in demanding the patient's name, but Reid just could have told the whole story without saying giving away Chris' identity, and like Anthony said, Luke could have learned that on his own.
But speaking of trust, I do like it that Reid didn't make a big deal out of Luke seeing Noah. That showed a lot of progress in their relationship, and I also like that Reid didn't make Noah the bad guy in the whole "Reid is cheating" thing. Reid said to consider the source, but he knew that he didn't have to trash Noah, and that the misunderstanding was between him and Luke.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 26, 2010 15:15:30 GMT -5
Chris telling Luke that Luke's at the hospital more than he is was so funny, and so true. At least Luke was there on official hospital business.
I love it that Reid didn't get upset that Luke confronted Chris, even though Luke shouldn't have done that. At least Luke told Chris some truths. Chris has put Reid in a horrible position.
I also love that Luke knows that Reid is falling in love with him, he just doesn't know how to express it yet. The scene with the kiss was full of anvils, but it was still so sweet.
The entire episode was well written, which isn't surprising, since the credits show that DK had a hand in writing it. Almost every scene was funny, and not for the wrong reasons like some of the scenes from the past few days. I love first scene with Katie and Reid, and Reid's compulsiveness about his toothbrush, but it did tick me off that Chris would be so rude to use someone else's toothbrush. I really don't get why tptb aren't trying to get people to root for Chris. I don't think Daniel Cosgrove gets the character, but he has been poorly written, and in comparison to Reid, Chris is just a complete loser.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 17:58:09 GMT -5
I think writing-wise, the better scenes for me might have been those with Reid and Katie. The Chris-heart thing is so tedious, and getting Luke to randomly confront Chris at the hospital about it in the name of Reid, the doctor, being his boyfriend of all things was just strange and sad to me. I get that this is Reid’s story, but does Luke really have nothing else to do? Maybe he could go after every person who he thinks is being a “meanie” or causing stress to his grown ass boyfriend. Good ol’ Luke was kind of like a petulant child trying to look all reasonable adult or something about something that really doesn’t concern him. I don’t like Chris’s handling of this at all, but Luke’s talking and attitude just didn’t impress me. It was pretty ridiculous and utterly unnecessary IMO. Chris could have easily found out about Luke knowing in another manner. I must admit ATWT managed to surprise me with those Chris/Luke scenes, unfortunately not in a good way. Some Luke/Reid stuff was nice, but again so short. From the preview, I thought it’d be deeper, longer. I guess the interruptions for gay characters will never stop being lame. I’d actually like to see Luke and Reid hug or be bodily closer when they kiss, something with more, I don’t know, intimacy; it’s been lacking for me. But a kiss is a kiss at least. Also, everything is so unsubtle with this show, and that takes away so much. It’s like I can see and hear TPTB cackling and rubbing hands about their master plan in the background. Doom is near, we got it, thanks.
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Post by anthonyl on Aug 26, 2010 18:10:04 GMT -5
I know the big thing in Nuke-dom is to hate Luke, but I love Luke to bits and always will. While he's grown up about some things, there are things that just don't change. His confronting Chris about what he was doing to Reid was ridiculous, but it's SUCH a Luke thing to do. He did the same thing running around trying to solve Noah's problems, but fans loved it then. LOL....
But it was silly. I was like 'Luke, please. Don't you have something else to do with your time?'
I did like the Luke/Reid scenes, all of them. I like Luke making fun of the fact that Reid is falling for him despite himself and them acknowledging it's something they both want and are happy about. Interruptions for gays have been lame, always will be.
And the foreshadowing is SO heavy-handed. We get it, we really do. Reid is toast, the relationship will be short. Why must the show do that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 18:47:58 GMT -5
He did the same thing running around trying to solve Noah's problems, but fans loved it then. LOL.... They did? It was ridiculous then, and it is now to me. I guess I’m not into blind shipping. Loving a character doesn’t mean you can’t be critical of them IMO. I wanted so much more for Luke as a character by the end of this show. He could have easily been all over the place with so much stuff going on and become so much more, considering that he’s a legacy character. Did Chris and Luke ever interact before? If so, they could have brought back some history or even remote connection and actual concern from Luke stemming from said history instead of what they came up with. Ugh, this show. I stopped with it for a while when all I could do was being mostly critical of the storylines, but I feel like I have to see this through because the end is so near. Yet ATWT still managed to somewhat confound me today, and that’s quite amazing.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 26, 2010 19:37:34 GMT -5
26 August 2010 from LukeVanFan. Thanks!
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Post by Zathras on Aug 26, 2010 20:08:28 GMT -5
Oh, God, they found yet another way to keep Luke and Reid from having sex. And the comment about wanting a bed and privacy ... doesn't Reid have his own bedroom there, and Katie & Chris just went out? Grr. And seriously, what the hell is wrong with Chris? I loved Katie's direction question, though not in the way she meant it: "Chris, what's wrong with you?" I'll be so glad when that self-important pissant is forced to tell Katie the truth . I know the big thing in Nuke-dom is to hate Luke Huh? FWIW, those of us without a vested interest in either character in particular have levied criticism on both Luke and Noah (and now Reid, too). I've said as much a number of times here in the past. He did the same thing running around trying to solve Noah's problems, but fans loved it then. LOL.... They did? It was ridiculous then, and it is now to me. I guess I’m not into blind shipping. Loving a character doesn’t mean you can’t be critical of them IMO. I wanted so much more for Luke as a character by the end of this show. He could have easily been all over the place with so much stuff going on and become so much more, considering that he’s a legacy character. What macari said. Luke's inability to trust the person he's with to handle their own situations (as evidenced by going behind their backs to try to "fix" said situations) is one of Luke's bigger character flaws, in my opinion. It bothered the hell out of me when he did it to Noah, and it did again today when he did it to Reid. He can't stop meddling, whether he's wanted or not. It was such a Luke thing to do, and that's what was wrong with it (IMO).
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 26, 2010 21:25:06 GMT -5
Personally I have always thought Luke was a well-meaning but PUSHY Butt-insky. I've never though it was cute (not with Noah, not with THEY KILLED REG, not now). I adore Luke and sometimes his not minding his own business works out for the best but at LOT of the time it just makes life harder for other people because he ALWAYS thinks he's right and rarely considers the consequences of his actions for himself or for others.
Reid is grown and certainly capable of taking care of himself and he would never have helped Chris if he didn't want to. Luke didn't have a right to know who Reid's patient was and he certainly had no right to confront Chris about something that was private and none of his business.
Whether he was paying him or not, the second Reid agreed to administer Chris' shots for him, he became his doctor.
Luke (as always, bless his heart) has NOT boundaries. Why is he following Reid around all day long? Doesn't he have a foundation and company to run? I don't see how Luke is any more mature now than he was before. I don't expect him to suddenly mature just because he dating someone older and now puts on a suit every one in a while. He's still 21 or so years old and he acts like it.
I don't actually have a problem with it because you are SUPPOSED to be exactly how he is in your early twenties.
I enjoy Luke (even though I recognize his faults and he DOES have them). I also recognize Reids and Noahs (each as individual men)
They ALL have a lot of growing up to do and now Chis can be added to the list of men who act like selfish toddlers.
LOL.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 30, 2010 14:52:39 GMT -5
It's so weird that they had John Dixon tell Chris that his condition wouldn't be so bad, if he had sought treatment sooner. It just highlights how contrived and stupid this plot is. They never gave a legitimate reason why Chris didn't get a MRI, or why he didn't get treatment. He could have done both of those things without telling his family or Katie what was going on. John pointing out the truth also just continues to show the difference between Chris and Reid, and how they handle things. This just so weird.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 30, 2010 19:56:56 GMT -5
Here are clips surrounding Reid's story (involving Chris) today (August 30), from anthonydlangford. Thanks!
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 1, 2010 14:45:52 GMT -5
I loved today's episode, it was very funny, and took my mind off of the travesty that's going to happen on Friday. I loved that Reid was trying to help Noah, but my favorite scenes were the ones on the golf course. Of course Reid is going to be perfect at golf, even though he's never played, and I love that he gave up his chance to be COS in order to help Chris. Reid continues to be more human, and more compassionate than anyone in Oakdale.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 1, 2010 15:41:04 GMT -5
Reid was awesome today. Loved all his scenes, but the golf scenes were fantastic.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 2, 2010 19:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 2, 2010 19:56:05 GMT -5
Wow. It struck me today just how much Reid's personality has changed since he arrived several months ago.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 2, 2010 21:44:37 GMT -5
I loved when he blew Katie a kiss. That was a sweet touch to that scene.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 3, 2010 19:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 2:34:50 GMT -5
So much running around in that hospital. I felt kind of sorry for the actors, who kept giving and giving in a circle of a lot of illogical stuff and nonsensical drama. What was Luke even doing there lurking in the background? Geez, anvils and plot devices, when this show doesn’t try, it really doesn’t try. This whole week, month and ending with Reid’s “I love you” wasn’t foreboding and furthering an extraneous purpose at all. And super smart-neurosurgeon-genius Reid didn’t know about pressing and unlocking a seatbelt button. I couldn’t even muster sadness because it looked so ridiculous. This show’s wonders never cease. I’m running out of adjectives, really.
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Post by Brechtje on Sept 4, 2010 7:48:13 GMT -5
Nobody knows how they are going to react when something like this happens. I did believe the not getting the seatbelt unlocked. When in panick people forget how to do simple things like these. What I did not buy was how Reid got there on the middle of the railway. I've watched it several times and it still makes no sense to me. One minute he is driving, the next he is standing still on a train-track. No, no sense at all.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 4, 2010 10:40:39 GMT -5
The only reason I didn't say anything about the ending of yesterday's episode is that I was speechless . I can grant panic at Reid's actions, at least to a certain extent. But the whole scene just came off to me as really contrived. I feel the urge to nitpick, but I won't (ATWT isn't exactly realistic when it comes to ... much, really) . I kept expecting the last shot would cut away and show the train plowing into a car, before the fade out.
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Post by arcticvoth on Sept 7, 2010 3:18:35 GMT -5
Just watched Christian and Ollie's wedding. Could anyone else be thinking what I am thinking? Why, why, why.... (Delilah)?!
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