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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 9, 2010 17:38:36 GMT -5
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 9, 2010 18:48:44 GMT -5
The meeting showed that he doesn't need a babysitter. He didn't take any of Luke's advice, which is not the first time that he didn't follow what Luke said, and he aced the meeting, which is also something that has happened when he hasn't listened to Luke.
The meeting actually showed that Reid doesn't need a babysitter, and he doesn't need to change. As he said, he doesn't suffer fools easily, but he does care about his patients. For all their faults, the writers are not saying that Reid needs to change, or that he needs to be redeemed. It's actually a point that they've made a couple of times.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 9, 2010 20:35:25 GMT -5
My favorite line today: "I am a stuck-up brain surgeon." ;D One minor point... what on earth was that music when Chris was talking with Katie after he missed the union meeting? With that out of the way... I'm inclined to agree with you, caitlinp (for the most part). I don't know whether Reid would have behaved differently if Luke hadn't tried. I am getting a little bugged that Luke feels the need to try to change Reid, though. And Bob's request (that Luke "babysit" Reid) was pretty condescending. Reid's a bit of an enigma. He can be half-way decent when he tries to be, and the rest of the time he's a jerk.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 9, 2010 23:58:57 GMT -5
I just think he's human. He is also consistent. Listen to what he says to the union heads, he tells them that they are nice to the patients, so that he doesn't have to be. He started the talk off by telling the group how good he is. He was his usual self at the meeting. He wasn't going to address them like he did Nurse Gretchen, because unlike her, they didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 10, 2010 15:52:19 GMT -5
From yesterday's spoiler thread:
I think the last scene between Luke and Reid today, plus the scene in the hotel room last week shows that Noah's name has been brought up as a plot device, but not to show that Luke wants to be with Noah, it's been more of a device to show how Luke and Reid deal with the issue of Noah, and it has allowed them to get closer.
I like how they've handled the situation, yes it's a double standard in comparison to how the heterosexual couples are treated, but given that this show has specialized in insta couples, who we are told belong together, instead of getting to see their relationships develop naturally, I actually don't have a problem with seeing Luke and Reid get closer over the past few months, or seeing their friendship blossom into love.
I also don't have a problem with Reid turning down Luke's obvious sexual advance today, because to me it signaled that Reid isn't over what happened last week, and I think it makes sense for them to address their issues before they make love. Plus, if they'd done it today, it would have been about Noah and everyone else, and not just about them and how they feel about one another.
Luke did say all of the right words today when he was honest with Reid about how he was thinking about Noah, but that he wants to be with him. Luke's actions showed that he wasn't conflicted about his feelings at all.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 10, 2010 16:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 17:16:33 GMT -5
This episode was a little odd. LOL at Reid complaining about Luke mentioning Noah for that tiny little blip at the start. That was a little overreaction, and then Luke kind of overreacted to Reid’s not wanting Noah mentioned. I’m sorry, but Reid knew exactly what he was walking into when he expressed his want for Luke, and it hasn’t even been that bad so far. All characters at one point before Luke and Reid got officially together had their eyes wide open about the history, the baggage and how they each deal with it. It’s just about dealing with it and hoping Luke learns how to get past his first love both in mind and heart, which Luke doesn’t seem totally closed off to. In mind might be easier, as one can focus on other stuff, which Luke has been able to, but in heart might still take time, and it’s not like Reid couldn’t have seen that from a mile away.
It’s not even like Luke has been mentioning or obsessing over Noah nonstop. It’s actually Reid who was the first to mention Noah after they officially became a couple, saying how he’d never be like Noah. I can only sympathize with Reid insofar as he has other drama (Chris) to deal with, which, to be fair, Luke doesn’t know about.
As for Luke himself, well, he’s just being Luke. When Allison said that maybe Reid isn’t the one for him, I thought, who the hell does she think she is to say that? And Luke not reacting to it was just sad. But then Luke actually says he wants to be with Reid and kisses him, and now it’s Reid who stomps feet and bolts. I mean, why not just talk it out reasonably at least, especially after what Luke said? It’s like one step forward and two backwards. Maybe it’ll be a leap next time? Who knows at this point.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 10, 2010 18:52:56 GMT -5
But, Reid wasn't just reacting to that mention, aside from being bothered about what's happeningcto Chris and Katie, Reid was acted like he did because of the head turn in last week's episode, as well as the insecurities that he's has regarding Luke and Noah, and that we've seen pop up over the past few months. How many times did we see Reid ask Luke if he and Noah were really over. It's out of the ordinary for ATWT to show consistency from one scene to the next, let alone one episode to the next, so I'm glad they are not going to brush away Luke's head turn, or the way that Reid feels about Luke and Noah.
Now, I want to see them talk about these feelings, mainly it's Reid who needs to do the talking, and Luke who needs to really listen to what he has to say.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 10, 2010 21:01:21 GMT -5
Is it me, or did Luke look like he had the wind knocked out of him when Alison said that Noah's moving to LA? Never mind why Alison (and not Noah) is the one telling Luke; that's another issue. Looks to me like Luke still feels strongly about Noah, and is trying to put it aside to move on with Reid. Reid is definitely sensitive about Noah. Luke was just making conversation, and Reid jumped all over his mention of Noah. It wasn't even about Noah, it was about how he always used to be late. But I understood him leaving at the end of the night. "You're the one wanting to take it slow. You got your wish." Luke pretty much killed the romantic mood for him when he was talking about Noah. And what the hell is Chris playing at? He really is dragging Reid into his whole illness drama . Just f'in tell Katie, already . Luke did say all of the right words today when he was honest with Reid about how he was thinking about Noah, but that he wants to be with him. Luke's actions showed that he wasn't conflicted about his feelings at all. Well, it was good that he was honest with Reid. Whether they were the "right" words is debatable. I also disagree that Luke doesn't seem conflicted. His reaction to the news of Noah's departure suggests otherwise to me. Now, I want to see them talk about these feelings, mainly it's Reid who needs to do the talking, and Luke who needs to really listen to what he has to say. What exactly is it that Reid should be saying that Luke needs to listen to, beyond what he's already said about Luke continually bringing up Noah?
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 10, 2010 22:15:01 GMT -5
But, Luke hasn't continually brought up Noah. Luke didn't mention Noah for months, and then about two or three weeks ago, Reid was the one who brought him up when he told Luke that he's not Noah.
Reid should tell Luke how he feels, since at the moment Luke doesn't have a clue. Luke probably thought that everything was fine last week, but Reid's face after the kiss and his reaction this week shows that wasn't the case.
I'm sure that Luke still has feelings for Reid, heck even Carly experienced a pang of jealousy when she saw Craig kissing Lilly, and we obviously realize that it is Jack who she loves. People can't just turn their feelings off, and it is natural that Luke would be sad that Noah is leaving, but I don't think he was forcing himself to stay at Metro, or to worry about where Reid ran off to. It seemed to me that he was totally focused on Reid.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 12, 2010 14:30:19 GMT -5
Responding from post in spoiler thread since it's not a spoiler... Susan Dansby tweeted that the story must be working, or else people wouldn't feel so passionate about it. She noted that Reid is the first real threat to Luke and Noah's relationship, and that's why people are upset about it. As much as I put the writing down, I think that's a sign that they did something right with this story, or else people wouldn't care. Believe you me, I am not upset. I don't feel the need to get all emotionally riled up, especially over anything on ATWT. That ship sailed years ago. I just don't buy it as a good love story nor a love story at all. And definitely not a triangle like it keeps being reported as incorrectly. It's bad writing and a mediocre storyline that has never really captured my attention. Some do like it and that's great for them. I don't and that's great too. Not everyone will see the same thing when they watch it. I wish that having a differing opinion about the storyline was more accepted than trying to force or convert people to see something that they just don't see since mileage does vary. It seems like folks aren't allowed to not like this story nor be wowed by it.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 12, 2010 15:17:26 GMT -5
I'm not trying to convert anyone, but I have seen certain things, like the @replies for Ms. Dansby from Nuke fans, as well as some of the responses that media people have gotten just for praising the work that ESS has done on the show, which for some reason, has been interpreted as if it is a slap against Jake, instead of having to do with Eric's abilities. Just piggy backing on what Susan Dansby said, she didn't receive this type of response when the Brian or Z twins story was playing out, even though Jake was getting the same short shrift in terms of airtime.
And, no this is not a triangle. The focus has been totally on showing Luke and Reid's growing relationship.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 12, 2010 15:29:30 GMT -5
^^ Luke and Reid's doomed relationship... She is in a bubble, I think. The writing has been pretty much universally slammed, except in the soap press who seem to be licking ESS's ... well, you know what. They've pretty much hated Jake from the start and won't change now.
A unofficial pole on one popular Van fan site did a poll and found that by a huge margin so far, that Noah comes out as the one who Luke should be with. Sure that's one spot on the net but I think that the fanbase hasn't largely shifted to LuRe. There are many many of us who still think Nuke should be endgame.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 12, 2010 15:41:13 GMT -5
What does universally slammed mean? The writing has been slammed Online by those who are fans of the Luke and Noah pairing, but not by those online fans who are fans of the Luke and Reid pairing. So, what does that mean? IMHO, not much. Those who like Noah aren't going to be happy with the amount of airtime that Reid gets, or that he is getting so close to Luke, and those who like Reid and Luke are going to be happy that they are getting closer, and that they actually have a storyline. But really, these two online groups only represent a fraction of the shows paltry 2 million viewers. Just look at this board and others and see how few people actually post, and then compare that to the 2.2 million people on average who watch the show.
While the soap press isn't exactly unbiased, and everyone has their own views, they at least have shown that they aren't afraid to take ATWT to task for poor writing, so they must actually see something that they like in the way that the storyline has played out. And the soap press is not one group with one mind, these are dozens of people, who can all think for themselves, and by and large they all have seemed to come to similar conclusions about the work that Eric has done, and how much they like the pairing of Reid and Luke.
Most fansites also have a bias, this one does, as does SOC, and every other site. Ignoring once again the small percentage of people who actually post on these sites in comparison to the actual number of viewers, if we took a poll on SOC or one of the Luke and Reid fan sites, the numbers for Luke ending up with Reid would be as lopsided as they are on the Nuke friendly Van site, so what exactly does that prove? And what does it really matter in terms of whether or not Luke and Reid's storyline has been well written.
ETA: Kills Eric's what?? I'm sure that the soap press has reason to kiss up to a virtually unknown stage actor. It's not Eric's fault that Jake hasn't been getting any airtime. Jake had that problem long before Eric came onto the show.
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Post by talula on Aug 12, 2010 16:03:00 GMT -5
What does universally slammed mean? The writing has been slammed Online by those who are fans of the Luke and Noah pairing, but not by those online fans who are fans of the Luke and Reid pairing. So, what does that mean? IMHO, not much. Those who like Noah aren't going to be happy with the amount of airtime that Reid gets, or that he is getting so close to Luke, and those who like Reid and Luke are going to be happy that they are getting closer, and that they actually have a storyline. But really, these two online groups only represent a fraction of the shows paltry 2 million viewers. Just look at this board and others and see how few people actually post, and then compare that to the 2.2 million people on average who watch the show. While the soap press isn't exactly unbiased, and everyone has their own views, they at least have shown that they aren't afraid to take ATWT to task for poor writing, so they must actually see something that they like in the way that the storyline has played out. And the soap press is not one group with one mind, these are dozens of people, who can all think for themselves, and by and large they all have seemed to come to similar conclusions about the work that Eric has done, and how much they like the pairing of Reid and Luke. Most fansites also have a bias, this one does, as does SOC, and every other site. Ignoring once again the small percentage of people who actually post on these sites in comparison to the actual number of viewers, if we took a poll on SOC or one of the Luke and Reid fan sites, the numbers for Luke ending up with Reid would be as lopsided as they are on the Nuke friendly Van site, so what exactly does that prove? And what does it really matter in terms of whether or not Luke and Reid's storyline has been well written. ETA: Kills Eric's what?? I'm sure that the soap press has reason to kiss up to a virtually unknown stage actor. It's not Eric's fault that Jake hasn't been getting any airtime. Jake had that problem long before Eric came onto the show. ITA! it's the same if i would say that major part of fans want LuRe ending based on fact that 99% of people who post on Kishmet, AfterElton sites or Anthony' you tube channel are pro LuRe ,which is absolute truth, but i can't claim that is a major part of fans, cos i really don't know, i just know that Luke and Reid pairing are really really popular cos i see and hear it every day, but it doesn't prove they more popular than Nuke.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 12, 2010 17:23:56 GMT -5
DC, the SOC and Mala, had opinion a piece complained about the storyline, granted they were mostly Reid centered complaints. ADL, I believe also complained in one of the columns. Is that enough? Blanko may have complained as well, I can't remember fully, so we won't definitely add him to the list.
Not to mention all the interview questions about gay double standard questions and such. It's not exactly what I'm talking about but it does have a play in the storyline.
Last post about this subject. Not worth getting into an argument over.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 12, 2010 18:39:23 GMT -5
^^ Ok, I can't sleep with you because I equate sex with my ex... Noah... that not about Noah? Noah being mentioned 3 times on a date by Luke isn't about Noah? LOL. I'm not going to argue about it and I'm not going to respond anymore. Anyway, it's getting off topic for the most part. This is getting off topic, but here's the clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3715yap3XU4&playnext=1&videos=qa_kLrqMqmoHe doesn't say sex reminds him of his ex, he says the purpose of the room, which is a bridal suite, reminds him of what he wanted to have with Noah. I could have sworn that just a few weeks ago you said that this storyline was about Reid and not about Noah, but now you are saying that it is about Noah. Or, am I confused about that? It seems to me that so far, Noah has just been used as a means to move the plot along, and to show how Reid and Luke feel about one another, and about Noah. That really doesn't make him the central character in the story. It's pretty much an example of how Noah's always been used on the show.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 12, 2010 18:47:38 GMT -5
DC, the SOC and Mala, had opinion a piece complained about the storyline, granted they were mostly Reid centered complaints. ADL, I believe also complained in one of the columns. Is that enough? Blanko may have complained as well, I can't remember fully, so we won't definitely add him to the list. Not to mention all the interview questions about gay double standard questions and such. It's not exactly what I'm talking about but it does have a play in the storyline. Last post about this subject. Not worth getting into an argument over. What does this even mean? You made a blanket statement that the storyline has been universally panned, which is a huge statement to make since it's not like we have the feelings of over 2 million people. Then you were the one who said this : not me, but now you are going back on that statement. This is as confusing as one minute the storyline being all about Reid, and the next minute being about Luke's feelings for Noah. Everybody slams the writing on ATWT, it's easy to slam, but you and I both know that many in the soap press have liked the pairing of Luke and Reid, and have liked many elements that have been shown in how their relationship has unfolded. Does that mean that they like everything, of course not, especially when the double standard is in play. I would never make the statement that the storyline has been universally lauded by the press, just like I wouldn't say that the majority of viewers love the storyline. I will say this, I can honestly say that most people don't care who Luke winds up with, and that most have taken the Luke and Reid storyline at face value, and have not cared one way or another whether or not Noah shows back up. Most people are overly invested in the storyline, and don't post on message boards. They just want to enjoy watching the show as it happens.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 12, 2010 19:58:48 GMT -5
Alright, can we stop with the generalizations here? It's not going to go anywhere constructive.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 12, 2010 20:45:14 GMT -5
I keep having to bounce back and forth between threads here ... ^^ Ok, I can't sleep with you because I equate sex with my ex... Noah... that not about Noah? Noah being mentioned 3 times on a date by Luke isn't about Noah? LOL. I'm not going to argue about it and I'm not going to respond anymore. Anyway, it's getting off topic for the most part. This is getting off topic, but here's the clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3715yap3XU4&playnext=1&videos=qa_kLrqMqmoHe doesn't say sex reminds him of his ex, he says the purpose of the room, which is a bridal suite, reminds him of what he wanted to have with Noah. First, which date are we referring to? The one on Tuesday or the wedding episode last week? IMO, on Tuesday none of the times Noah was mentioned were about Noah. The first mention was about the juxtaposition of who's late vs. who's waiting - now Luke's not the one who's late. The other two mentions were about Luke and how he feels/felt about Noah. If you're referring to the Holden/Molly wedding fiasco, the dialog was actually: L: I have never been with anyone but Noah. R: I know that. L: And, in my head, I associate all of this *gesture* with Noah. R: So it's hard to, what, change gears? Are you saying that you need ... courting? L: You make me sound like some kind of Victorian romance heroine. R: Give me a better word. L: Time. I need time. Are you going to ask me how much time I need? R: Some things take as long as they take. He didn't say anything about the purpose of the room. He makes a nondescript gesture and no definitive meaning was given to what "this" meant. Luke went on to say that he needs time. Time for what? It's not stated explicitly, though my personal interpretation was that, like they did for Luke and Noah, they were having one of them (in this case Luke) make an excuse to not have sex just yet. In this case the excuse was that Luke isn't ready yet ... because of Noah.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 18, 2010 15:18:22 GMT -5
Why would Reid call Luke a "hot tasty sidedish"? Isn't a side dish someone who you are cheating with?
Just seems odd to me.
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 18, 2010 15:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 18, 2010 16:21:11 GMT -5
Why would Reid call Luke a "hot tasty sidedish"? Isn't a side dish someone who you are cheating with? Just seems odd to me. Reid called himself the "Lamb" as in the lamb going to slaughter (slaughter being the Trustees) So if Reid is the "Lamb" (the "meat'), Luke as his partner is the "tasty side dish" Like together they are full meal. I believe that's what he meant. It had nothing to do with cheating. It's more like Luke is the "Robin" to Reid's "Batman" in relation to the meeting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2010 16:22:05 GMT -5
I can’t help but mention the ridiculousness of all of the other asinine storylines eating up the airtime while one of the lesser evils that is the storyline involving the gay characters comes up once or twice a week at most. Not like there isn’t anything to complain about here either. The Chris thing is just really tedious and unbelievable, and the fact that it’s being a focus in the Luke/Reid story is such a waste of time. They could be talking about each other’s pasts, ambitions, dreams, even the weather, etc., really getting to know facets of each other, instead of the dim and repetitive stuff that’s the hospital wing, then the chief of staff race, then the Chris disease that shouldn’t be talked about or cured, some of which doesn’t really go anywhere, and none of which actually concerns Luke directly or what he aspires to. I mean, through those things, we get to see more aspects of Reid, but for Luke, eh. It’s really about Reid, how he sees himself and how he gets to be seen by others, including Luke. Were the show to continue, I might not mind and wait to see what would come next, but there’s still so much unexplored here at this stage, it’s a shame. It leaves something amiss for me. Anyway, their scenes were alright. The best part for me was probably Reid correcting Luke after Luke suggested that Noah overreacted and saying that Noah “overstated”, while Luke “overreacted”. Such an accurate description that it made me chuckle. Learn your vocabulary, Luke! Really, focusing on random things makes this show better to watch. Reid coming clean and Luke apologizing for the same reason (i.e., to get to pursue their relationship) were also nice. No mention again of that thing that actually affected them last week. I wonder if they’ll even follow up on what happened this week with something more concrete, or it’ll be another instance of stirring things up and resolving them in an episode that’s so typical of ATWT. Finally, watching live while the Paul character is on can be really painful. The actor might have been good in other things, but he’s a walking and talking zombie most of the time, for real. No actual life whatsoever in most scenes I’ve seen.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 18, 2010 16:57:17 GMT -5
Why would Reid call Luke a "hot tasty sidedish"? Isn't a side dish someone who you are cheating with? Just seems odd to me. Reid called himself the "Lamb" as in the lamb going to slaughter (slaughter being the Trustees) So if Reid is the "Lamb" (the "meat'), Luke as his partner is the "tasty side dish" Like together they are full meal. I believe that's what he meant. It had nothing to do with cheating. It's more like Luke is the "Robin" to Reid's "Batman" in relation to the meeting. That would make some sense then. Ok.
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