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Post by dio on Jan 6, 2014 14:56:37 GMT -5
^maybe, there's a cell phone video or something?
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Post by trini on Jan 8, 2014 19:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by trini on Jan 9, 2014 23:06:13 GMT -5
Just speculating on my part, but I do wonder if Robbie would go down as an accomplice in the rape. We know that the actor (Charlie) who plays Robbie have a next show that will take him off screen for months.
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jan 10, 2014 1:41:09 GMT -5
Just speculating on my part, but I do wonder if Robbie would go down as an accomplice in the rape. We know that the actor (Charlie) who plays Robbie have a next show that will take him off screen for months. That would be great. I hope he does!
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jan 12, 2014 8:08:17 GMT -5
Just speculating on my part, but I do wonder if Robbie would go down as an accomplice in the rape. We know that the actor (Charlie) who plays Robbie have a next show that will take him off screen for months. That would be great. I hope he does! Hahah. I've never warmed up to the character of Robbie. It would be interesting IF he was tied to this case as an accomplice to the crime, because even though he doesn't think or believe that he "caused" or "made" Finn rape JP, his actions, words and taunting of Finn caused him to commit an act (which is a criminal offence) to somehow "prove" to Robbie, JP and himself that he was the one "in control". This situation should also and hopefully show to Robbie's family, especially his mother and twin brother that he has some major emotional and psychological problems that have to be dealt with by him AND his family. Find out why Robbie feels the need to have to manipulate everybody that he comes across. Jason knows that Robbie does lie, almost all the time. The aftermath of JP's rape by Finn will (hopefully mind you) be one of those "umbrella storylines) that involves most of the residents of Chester (and not just the trial aspect). I want to see how the residents react to the news and who they believe and support in exactly who they think is "at fault" for what has happened.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 12, 2014 12:02:50 GMT -5
If Finn does eventually get charged with the crime they could probably charge Robbie as an accomplice, since he blatantly helped cover it up (even if he didn't know exactly what he was helping cover up). That said, I think they're going to try to redeem Robbie so I don't see him going down for this. I sort of wonder if maybe he'll be the first person to find out what Finn really did, and what he might do with the information if he is. I agree that it could be really interesting to see them delve into Robbie's issues and especially to see how his family reacts to all the things he's done and the ways in which he's been manipulating people.
Yeah, I was thinking as I watched the last episode that between John Paul, Finn, Robbie, and Sam, there are connections to just about everyone else in the village (through the McQueens, Tony, the Lomaxs, the Roscoes, the Osbornes, Patrick) that the fallout from this could have a really far reaching effect, and especially with characters like John Paul and his family on one side and Tony/Diane on the other, it'll be interesting to see if those relationships and reputations affect the characters' perceptions. I kind of hope when it does all come out that someone points out that Diane now has two kids who are bullies and have psychologically damaged other people, especially if she tries to defend Finn in any way.
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Post by trini on Jan 17, 2014 15:23:27 GMT -5
Spoilers:
Ste - February 3rd, 2014:With nerves increasing about the grand opening of The Hutch, things go from bad to worse for Tony. Will Ste be able to save the day?
- February 6th, 2014:It's the grand opening of Tony's new restaurant, but Ste's deal with the devil casts a shadow over the celebrations.
John Paul - February 4th, 2014:When faced with his attacker at Parent's Evening, a desperate John Paul makes a bad decision.
- February 5th, 2014:John Paul has the day from hell. Who will he take his anger out on?
- February 6th, 2014: When John Paul admits to his outburst last night, how will Sam react?
(source Digiguide.tv)
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Post by candyflossuk on Jan 17, 2014 17:24:28 GMT -5
Spoilers:Ste - February 3rd, 2014:With nerves increasing about the grand opening of The Hutch, things go from bad to worse for Tony. Will Ste be able to save the day? - February 6th, 2014:It's the grand opening of Tony's new restaurant, but Ste's deal with the devil casts a shadow over the celebrations. John Paul - February 4th, 2014:When faced with his attacker at Parent's Evening, a desperate John Paul makes a bad decision. - February 5th, 2014:John Paul has the day from hell. Who will he take his anger out on? - February 6th, 2014: When John Paul admits to his outburst last night, how will Sam react? (source Digiguide.tv) Thanks for these. The JP spoilers sound very interesting! Nice that the writers have remembered that JP exists and is still trying to cope with a major trauma. I know that (to them) it's not quite as exciting as killing people via wrecking ball ( ) but it's ridiculous that he's been offscreen for so long. Hollyoaks is the absolute worst of any of the British soaps to do this. People just disappear offscreen and it ruins the momentum of the storyline. JP's rape is just about the only good storyline they have going on at the minute. They should be featuring it as much as possible. There's also waveguide spoilers for the 28th January that say that JP 'tears the Mcqueen's apart with a home truth'. Wonder if now the initial shock of the rape has worn off they are going to show him being angry a lot? Also hoping for some follow up to the JP/Ste stuff. I personally didn't like that scene with Ste at the door and I didn't want Hollyoaks to go there with JP/Ste whilst JP was dealing with the rape but they did, so they should at least have some resolution to that scene.
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 17, 2014 20:13:01 GMT -5
I'm quite excited to see more of the restaurant drama, myself. It's nice to see Ste more involved with a storyline concerning his livelihood and the criminal underbelly of Hollyoaks again and not everything always be about his love life. His relationships with Tony and his sisters should be what's prominent and developed for the time being, instead of the writers throwing him at the only other gay person around. Hopefully next we'll see him hunting for a new flat. And then maybe introduce another gay character it'd actually be believable for him to take an interest in. I couldn't have been more humiliated for him at how desperate and ridiculous they made him, practically begging JP to be more than his mate. Even if it was just for the sake of spiting Danny, wow, what great point there was bringing his real father into the show just so they can use guys to play pathetic games with each other, and making Danny a bisexual cheater as if that's interesting. They're supposed to be exploring the mysteries of that backstory! But Danny and Ste haven't so much as mentioned Pauline or what happened to make her keep them apart Ste's entire life.
And I wish they'd have just dealt with the rape realistically instead of trying to drag it out as a months-long storyline. I'm not all that sympathetic to JP unfortunately, and that's because of how they handled the buildup and now the aftermath. There's no reason I've seen as to why he couldn't just report Finn to the police. And now I don't really care about seeing him acting out and having outbursts. This type of storyline needs timely resolution and not dragging out.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 18, 2014 0:34:03 GMT -5
Hollyoaks is the absolute worst of any of the British soaps to do this. People just disappear offscreen and it ruins the momentum of the storyline. JP's rape is just about the only good storyline they have going on at the minute. They should be featuring it as much as possible. I agree, it's pretty annoying. Every soap has breaks for a few days or weeks for characters when they're not heavily involved in a current storyline, especially when they've just finished up a big storyline, so giving characters like Sienna, Nancy, Ziggy, Ruby a break for a few weeks makes sense. But the writers seem to really struggle with balancing storylines going on at the same time. Both Emmerdale and EastEnders (the only other British soaps I watch) do a pretty good job of giving scenes for lots of different characters and storylines in each episode, letting different storylines intersect and characters move in and out of one another's stories. Hollyoaks in recent years tends to isolate the characters in such a way that they interact, but only when the plot dictates for story purposes, rather than passing each other by around the village, moving around each other and all going on with their storylines. If that makes any sense. In any case, it's definitely annoying that there are always stretches on the show during which it feels like characters have just disappeared (where the hell is Phoebe, for example? Does she even live with the McQueens anymore? She hasn't been at the McQueen house in forever and she was completely absent during the Theresa drama), even when they're in the midst of big storylines. We don't need entire episodes devoted to John Paul and Finn, but a short scene or two just showing us how John Paul is coping (or not coping) day-to-day would, I think, make it more interesting to watch unfold than just getting a bunch of time all at once every couple of weeks. It doesn't help that I just cannot stand the Fraser/Trevor/Grace/Freddie gangster stuff. There are some storylines I'm interested in right now, like Tony and Ste's restaurant venture and Nancy/Darren/Sienna, but the writers seem really into this gangster storyline and I just find it tedious and irritating. I hate all of the characters involved and I just don't care. At least if there was something interesting going on it wouldn't be so bad to have John Paul offscreen for a week, but as it is it just makes me more annoyed at the absence of his storyline.
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 18, 2014 1:46:47 GMT -5
At this point, I'm even wondering if Phoebe won't just go off with Vincent and George when they exit.
And I'm not sure what anyone's expecting them to show of the rape storyline every other week. JP's for the most part functioning quite well, and someone does know what happened to him: Sam. All there is left that could happen is for the affair history to come out and for it to come out that Finn was his rapist. And I think it'll be Danny that is a part of JP's 'desperate' decision, and that it's Danny he takes his anger out on the next day, and so the spoiler about how Sam will react is her possibly starting to realize there's more to JP's and Danny's relationship.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jan 18, 2014 13:21:28 GMT -5
I'm quite excited to see more of the restaurant drama, myself. It's nice to see Ste more involved with a storyline concerning his livelihood and the criminal underbelly of Hollyoaks again and not everything always be about his love life. His relationships with Tony and his sisters should be what's prominent and developed for the time being, instead of the writers throwing him at the only other gay person around. Hopefully next we'll see him hunting for a new flat. And then maybe introduce another gay character it'd actually be believable for him to take an interest in. I couldn't have been more humiliated for him at how desperate and ridiculous they made him, practically begging JP to be more than his mate. Even if it was just for the sake of spiting Danny, wow, what great point there was bringing his real father into the show just so they can use guys to play pathetic games with each other, and making Danny a bisexual cheater as if that's interesting. They're supposed to be exploring the mysteries of that backstory! But Danny and Ste haven't so much as mentioned Pauline or what happened to make her keep them apart Ste's entire life. And I wish they'd have just dealt with the rape realistically instead of trying to drag it out as a months-long storyline. I'm not all that sympathetic to JP unfortunately, and that's because of how they handled the buildup and now the aftermath. There's no reason I've seen as to why he couldn't just report Finn to the police. And now I don't really care about seeing him acting out and having outbursts. This type of storyline needs timely resolution and not dragging out. But the rape charity who helped HO with the storyline have stressed that a lot of male rape cases go unreported for a long time because of shame and embarrassment. In JP's case, he probably feels even more ashamed that it was a young student who attacked him and not an older man. So in that sense I find it realistic because Rape isn't something that's always reported straight away. At least they showed that JP went to the police station straight after the attack. As for dragging it out for months I can believe that because of the reasons stated above. However I do worry that with Sam involved it risks becoming dragged out not because of how JP's feeling but to tease the suspense of a Danny/JP reveal or how long Finn will get caught. And as for not being sympathetic? He's just been raped! I'd feel sorry for pretty much any character in that position and James has acted what little we've seen of the aftermath really well. The ratings for the immediate rape aftermath were high and James is getting a lot of praise on social media. It's clearly a more popular storyline then the gangster crap that is dominating nearly every episode right now. Lots of people are asking where JP is and why here hasn't been much focus on him. I take your point that JP is trying to function as normal but that shouldn't be used as an excuse by lazy writers just to have him disapear offscreen. Even small backgrounds scenes would be better than none at all!
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Post by candyflossuk on Jan 18, 2014 13:29:06 GMT -5
Hollyoaks is the absolute worst of any of the British soaps to do this. People just disappear offscreen and it ruins the momentum of the storyline. JP's rape is just about the only good storyline they have going on at the minute. They should be featuring it as much as possible. I agree, it's pretty annoying. Every soap has breaks for a few days or weeks for characters when they're not heavily involved in a current storyline, especially when they've just finished up a big storyline, so giving characters like Sienna, Nancy, Ziggy, Ruby a break for a few weeks makes sense. But the writers seem to really struggle with balancing storylines going on at the same time. Both Emmerdale and EastEnders (the only other British soaps I watch) do a pretty good job of giving scenes for lots of different characters and storylines in each episode, letting different storylines intersect and characters move in and out of one another's stories. Hollyoaks in recent years tends to isolate the characters in such a way that they interact, but only when the plot dictates for story purposes, rather than passing each other by around the village, moving around each other and all going on with their storylines. If that makes any sense. In any case, it's definitely annoying that there are always stretches on the show during which it feels like characters have just disappeared (where the hell is Phoebe, for example? Does she even live with the McQueens anymore? She hasn't been at the McQueen house in forever and she was completely absent during the Theresa drama), even when they're in the midst of big storylines. We don't need entire episodes devoted to John Paul and Finn, but a short scene or two just showing us how John Paul is coping (or not coping) day-to-day would, I think, make it more interesting to watch unfold than just getting a bunch of time all at once every couple of weeks. It doesn't help that I just cannot stand the Fraser/Trevor/Grace/Freddie gangster stuff. There are some storylines I'm interested in right now, like Tony and Ste's restaurant venture and Nancy/Darren/Sienna, but the writers seem really into this gangster storyline and I just find it tedious and irritating. I hate all of the characters involved and I just don't care. At least if there was something interesting going on it wouldn't be so bad to have John Paul offscreen for a week, but as it is it just makes me more annoyed at the absence of his storyline. Well Eastenders often have characters disappearing for months at a time with no explanation, however these are normally background characters with no current storylines going on. They don't have characters disappear mid-storyline in the same way that Hollyoaks do. As I said, Hollyoaks is definitely the worst of all the British soaps for doing this. I think it's a bit insulting to be honest. They make this big show about how they are working with this rape charity to make sure the rape storyline is sensitively handled, only to have JP disappear only 3 or 4 episodes after the rape in favour of wrecking ball and gangster crap! And you are right. The Fraser/Grace/Trevor stuff is terrible. I'm getting tired of all these super villain types descending on Hollyoaks and taking over. It's ridiculous. I'm not expecting JP to be onscreen everyday but as you say, a few small everyday scenes wouldn't be hard to incorporate surely? The follow up regarding Finn's character is just as bad. There was a bizarre blink and you'll miss it scene at Sinead's wedding where he goes over to Ste and says something about JP not being there (either at school or at the wedding, I couldn't work out which he meant) and Ste just walks off. I had hoped that the scene might have been put there to further the JP/Ste stuff but it didn't. The only purpose it seemed to have was to show Finn with his evil smug grin at getting a rise out of Ste and making him walk off (which made no sense because Finn doesn't even know about the brief flirtation JP and Ste had so why would he go over there to wind Ste up about it?!). Stupid writing really. Finn's actor is being let down by this disappearing act too. I'd like to see more of what's going on in his head aside from the evil smugness he's displayed so far.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 18, 2014 14:07:09 GMT -5
Well Eastenders often have characters disappearing for months at a time with no explanation, however these are normally background characters with no current storylines going on. They don't have characters disappear mid-storyline in the same way that Hollyoaks do. As I said, Hollyoaks is definitely the worst of all the British soaps for doing this. [...] I'm not expecting JP to be onscreen everyday but as you say, a few small everyday scenes wouldn't be hard to incorporate surely? Yeah, again I think their biggest problem (aside from the general pacing of most of their storylines and character development) is character isolation - it's like everyone is relegated only to the storylines in which they feature heavily. It's one thing for characters to have breaks when they're really not needed, but when they're in the midst of big storylines, why not get them in wherever you can? There's no reason for John Paul not to be at the hospital with Carmel and Mercedes, or spending time with Nancy, or awkwardly running into Ste as Ste helps get things ready for Sinead's wedding or works on the restaurant. Similarly, Darren's been tied up with the Nancy/Sienna drama, so there's been no followup at all to his relationship with the Roscoes, we have no idea what's going on with Jack and Frankie, there's been no sign of Maxine and Patrick (other than at school) for weeks... there's just not enough intermingling between different characters with different storylines going on. Me too, especially with how easy it seems to be! At least guys like Warren and Brendan and Claire kind of wormed their ways into the community and had or built some connections to other villagers as they got into threatening, killing, stealing, scheming, etc. Trevor pretty much just walked in, threatened a whole bunch of people, and set up shop. Why on earth would Mercedes have anything to do with Trevor after he was responsible for running her sister out of the country and terrorizing her family? Why should I care at all about Grace and her love for Trevor?
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Post by lobelle on Jan 20, 2014 23:24:38 GMT -5
I really hope the returnee is Jacqui. When I heard that JP was going to be raped I thought that it would be the perfect opportunity to bring her back, even just for a while, so she could help him through it since she was raped too.
I have a feeling that it's Myra though since JP mentioned the other day that all he wanted was his mum and the spoilers said that Carmel was torn by the return. She took Myra's death the hardest so she'd probably feel the most betrayed. That would be hard on JP though since it would probably come out that he knew all along, and the last thing he needs right now is his family upset with him.
Either way I'll be happy with whomever comes back and I'm sure we'll see some emotional scenes.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 21, 2014 0:17:11 GMT -5
I think it's got to be Michaela, if Marlena has organized it - Jacqui can't come back because Trevor's still around, and Marlena doesn't know that Myra is alive - although I've been thinking about it, if the whole reason that Myra faked her death was protect herself from Browning and set him up for her murder, can't she come back now that he's dead? Why is she still hiding out? Maybe it is Myra, but I kind of doubt it unless Nicole Barber-Lane is returning to the show, so I still think it's Michaela.
If Carmel's leaving, they really need to think about doing something with the McQueens, either getting someone back or recasting one of the characters or introducing a new family member, because if it's just Mercedes, John Paul, and Nana left, things are going to look pretty bleak for them, and it's going to take away some of the impact whenever John Paul's rape is revealed to everyone.
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Post by trini on Jan 21, 2014 12:32:30 GMT -5
I think is Michaela or Myra, I doubt that it will be Jacqui.
I'm leaning towards Myra as I don't see how Michaela return could rock the MacQueens it has to be someone that they thought they would not be seeing again. However spoiler do tend to exaggerate.
If Myra returns maybe Nicole Barber-Lane never intended to leave, they just needed the character out of the way so certain events could take place, it's just about 6 months since she left.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 21, 2014 13:22:20 GMT -5
Actually, maybe it is Myra - from what I've read, Nicole Barber-Lane did intend to leave and do other things, take other roles, but the writers wanted to make sure that she could come back, which is why they didn't kill Myra off. And it doesn't seem like NBL has been doing anything or gotten any new roles since she left, so it could be Myra.
Whoever the returnee is, as long as it's not Bart, I'll be happy.
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 21, 2014 14:29:06 GMT -5
Another possibility I don't see anyone mentioning is Theresa. It's only her and Myra that are relevant for a return, and with Carmel leaving because of Sonny, Theresa could be the only one able to get her to stay if she's somehow avoided serving jail time and is stopping through while she's on the run. But that being said, there's just as good a chance it's Myra.
And there's a new spoiler going around that Holly and Jason get trapped in the deli while it's on fire. I think it's just a way of getting a little extra drama out of the show burning down the deli to clear the set and set Ste's character up with insurance money. So right now it's looking good for Ste being able to put some of his own money into The Hutch so he'll have part ownership, and then be able to buy himself a new place to live. I'm hoping it might even be the student house where only Sinead and Esther are left living, and he buys it off Dennis. Either way, it's an exciting development and I hope it's for setting Ste up for a new lease on life as a character with some new and fresh storylines. He's been drifting since October.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 21, 2014 15:02:42 GMT -5
Sinead is married to Freddie now, so either she lives at the Roscoes' place (which I assume she does, because we saw her there making breakfast in a morning scene yesterday or the episode before) or Freddie lives at the student house as well. And Esther doesn't live there, she still lives at The Dog with the Osbornes, she just spent a lot of time there because Tilly lived there. George, however, does still live there. Right now I think he and Ste are the only definite residents. I think they should just get rid of the student house if they're not going to introduce any new students and move George and Ste into the flat that Doug, Liane, and Texas used to share that I think is either empty or only has Dennis as a resident. Dennis, George, and Ste might be a fun trio of roommates.
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 21, 2014 15:21:33 GMT -5
I think they're clearly avoiding having Ste and George in the same scenes since they've slept together . George still technically lives at the student house, but he hasn't been seen or even mentioned while Ste's staying there. Plus, I'm sure any day now we're going to hear Steven Roberts and John Omole are leaving/have left. And the Frinead marriage isn't going to last. If Ste's getting tens of thousands in insurance money, he's not going to have to roommate with anyone, but if he buys a place with enough space, I could see him offering for Sinead and Freddie to live with him since she's his best friend and her and Freddie as newlyweds might not want to live under his mother's roof (until their relationships inevitably self-destructs). And with the slum flats destroyed, I think all of the other sets occupied, Trevor owning the old student flat where Texas and Leanne lived, and basically all of the younger students gone and Ste already staying at the student house, it just makes sense for him to buy it.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jan 21, 2014 15:27:09 GMT -5
That's fine speculation, but I'm just explaining who currently lives where. Sinead and Esther do not currently live in the student house, and I don't think Trevor owns the place where Texas/Lianne/Doug lived, as I'm pretty sure Dennis still lives there and I don't recall Trevor ever buying it (he had a flat that looked similar to Texas/Lianne/Doug's and to Tony's, but it always seemed to me to be someplace else).
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 21, 2014 15:46:58 GMT -5
I don't watch every episode, but as far as I know Trevor did buy that student flat for some odd reason. I remember seeing people commenting about why he needed that place when we've seen him living in some other place that had an aquarium.
And Sinead's been seen at the student house more often than the Roscoes I think. I do think that's the official place she lives right now, and most recently that's where she got ready for the wedding too. She just spends a lot of time at the Roscoes because she sleeps over with Freddie.
I didn't know that Esther had moved back to the Osbournes though. So with George and Phoebe missing, it's really only Ste and Sinead at the student house.
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Post by daleeryohm on Jan 22, 2014 22:25:53 GMT -5
I was also reading more speculation, and a lot are agreeing that the show's going back down the road of the triangle with JP and the Lomax parents. But it really just goes to show how poorly planned the storylining is, because how's Danny even going to answer Sam when she asks him why he was sleeping with JP? He's clearly in love with her, so what do they plan on having him say when it gets to that point that he has to answer for it? It just proves how pointless the affair even is. It was just an affair for the sake of an affair.
And I think all of the horror and impact of the rape storyline has been lost too, because of how casually the characters are left acting about it, and with all these weeks-long pauses in the aftermath. It's lost all effect. They can't really have people find out now to any great emotional payoff because of the way they've played it. It's why they're going back to the affair reveal to inject drama back into it because they just had to drag the rape plot out for months. And when it is revealed what Finn did, it'll be such old news that Finn will just get sent off and life will move on. The only thing I can think of that might save the story from being totally underwhelming now is if Finn attacks JP again later, which I think is what they'll do. But it's so hard to buy that it even happened this first time and that JP hasn't reported Finn to the police, so it's just going to get even worse from a logic standpoint.
I really hope it's still possible for the show to get pulled out of the thoughtless careless mess it's in, but it's set to sink past the point of no return if Bryan Kirkwood's there for much longer.
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Post by candyflossuk on Jan 24, 2014 20:12:14 GMT -5
Based on tonight's episode it really does seem as if the returning Mcqueen is Myra. I can't say I've missed her but if Myra's return FINALLY means some development in the JP rape sroryline then it can only be a good thing. Even if JP doesn't tell her about the rape himself, I think she will at least notice that something is up with JP unlike the other Mcqueen's who are too self-centred to do so.
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