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Post by 21aug on Aug 21, 2009 9:29:58 GMT -5
Inspired by the Caster Semenya debacle, VL introduces Judith to being gender-tested.
(No, I don't think of the actress looking alike a man.)
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Post by 21aug on Aug 21, 2009 10:27:14 GMT -5
Next Week on Verbotene Liebe: Before departing, Olivia looks at pegging - with David. 'Meet you in zee gents in 5 minutes, ya?' Gregor declares himself as a Mahmoud Ahmadinejad look-a-like.
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Post by mona on Aug 22, 2009 20:20:22 GMT -5
Slowly I'm beginning to think that Olli with someone else is more likely - even if Christian is at the castle. Maybe it's stupid but Christians "refreshing" his statement "I'm gay" pushed me a little there and they always made it more obvious that Olli is bi , why would that be different with Christian? So, they could do Olli/Helena and Christian working on the castle could mean problems with him and Helena fighting for Olli or other things. It does make more sense because I already didn't like the Christian works on the castle only episodes so much because it was clearly without Olli and if he's having someone on the castle they would really separate them even episode wise if they don't break up. Of course I don't want a triangle anyway but it would be "better" with Olli and there could still be a reason for Christian working there + they don't ruin Christians story when he got together with Olli.
But I'm also sure Eduard will bring trouble into their lifes now. He won't come back for nothing and he already said to Luise he doesn't want her to be happy.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Aug 24, 2009 9:46:45 GMT -5
With the latest spoilers, I'm going to throw out the unlikely possibility that VL is going to begin the first polyamorous storyline -- a stable (and horrifying) threesome of Christian/Rebecca/Olli.
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Post by Nitty on Aug 24, 2009 10:33:20 GMT -5
With the latest spoilers, I'm going to throw out the unlikely possibility that VL is going to begin the first polyamorous storyline -- a stable (and horrifying) threesome of Christian/Rebecca/Olli. ...EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! ;D
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Post by rhiannonhero on Aug 24, 2009 10:35:19 GMT -5
Yes, I know, right??? It's horrible! And when it happens, just remember, you heard it from me first. (I so hope that I'm kidding about this.)
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Post by jj8899 on Aug 24, 2009 10:39:39 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D i'm having visions of rebecca getting booted out of christian's bed, when the three of them get down to business... ;D
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Post by mona on Aug 24, 2009 10:45:51 GMT -5
They are just changing the official banner a little bit. Maybe they put Rebecca to Chrolli now I think that would be the final thing to make me vomit. But Gregor got a new pic that looks horrible I think.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Aug 24, 2009 10:52:56 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D i'm having visions of rebecca getting booted out of christian's bed, when the three of them get down to business... ;D It would be an awfully small bed to support threesome activity. Clearly, they'd all have to move into the castle with a giant king sized bed. (I'm totally grossing myself out here.)
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Post by chango on Aug 24, 2009 11:00:50 GMT -5
They are just changing the official banner a little bit. Maybe they put Rebecca to Chrolli now I think that would be the final thing to make me vomit. But Gregor got a new pic that looks horrible I think. I think Luigor's new pictures are the only changes they're going to make. Although I don't get why they felt they needed to update their pictures. And I really wonder what's up with Gregor's pic. It looks weird. Like it was somehow edited in a not so good way. But if they bothered to make new press pictures of him AJ might not leave very soon after all? I might be clutching at straws now, but I would rather keep Gregor as a likable character and one I'm still rather interested in around a little longer, now that they killed off Olivia and Judith seems to be nowhere in sight.
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 24, 2009 11:04:31 GMT -5
Honestly, they are characters on VL I could totally picture in a threesome relationship.
But Rebecca? Does not compute. Even if you take away "Ollian's love is shining and perfect", it still doesn't compute. Even if it was Rebecca and two other characters, I just can't picture it at all.
Rebecca is just so, I don't know, small minded and greedy emotionally, I just can't picture her being interested in more than one guy at a time enough to want to sleep with both of them. She would probably just cling to one of them and not like the other.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Aug 24, 2009 11:07:53 GMT -5
Yes, it does not compute. That's why it was a joke. That's why it is in the Wild Speculation Thread. Seriousness is not included.
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Post by jj8899 on Aug 24, 2009 11:37:01 GMT -5
have you ever seen that french film "love songs"?!?!? its about a polygamous relationship between three people... i won't give away the ending but over the course of the film one of them dies - the whingy, girly one who sapped everyone's energy, joy and fun... if polygamy is where chrolli is headed i do hope the vl writers take note of "chansons d'amour"... bloody brilliant it was... p.s. i don't wish death on rebecca but seriously, death would probably be better for the character, at least viewer sympathy wise, than driving a huge shiny aristocratic wedge between christian and olli... man, i don't like this girl one bit... the actress is beautiful though! (thought i'd add a note positivity before i head off)!!
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Post by Zam on Sept 2, 2009 17:05:44 GMT -5
Since Lola scolded me on the Spoiler thread (hugs Lola!), I'm bringing this over here. Since the Wild Spec thread CAN contain spoilers, have at it! (see page 1 if you doubt me) No need to use beige if you don't want to.
Mona raises an interesting point ( on the spoiler discussion thread) that harkens to the title of the show. What kind of forbidden love would everyone like to see the show come up with?
Even though it's horribly against Christian's character to look at anyone else, I suggested months ago the possibility of the boys (or anyone else) seriously attempting a Triad relationship. 3 Equal partners in a relationship. I know people who try it in RL, and my opinion is that it's doomed to fail, but what about on the show?
What kind of Verbotene Liebe should the show give us next?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2009 17:12:13 GMT -5
You were scolded for that? Okay? I think a Christian, Olli and Judith partnership could work and it would be kinda sweet (but only if the boys stay together and there is no cheating it is all agreed between partners)
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Post by Zam on Sept 2, 2009 17:42:44 GMT -5
You were scolded for that? Nope, just a feeble attempt at lovingly joking with Lola. But back to the subject at hand...
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Post by mona on Sept 2, 2009 19:23:36 GMT -5
Things that could work for me/interest me: Olli/Luise - awkward one night stand when they both have a fight with Gregor and Christian (like the episode where they were alone at NL and their men went camping). Or even more. Olli/Eduard - Eduard needs someone to talk and Olli is there. Eduard doesn't have a sexuality at all yet and falling for Olli would be a little cute. + Eduard is a really great actor, a story with him would be heaven.
Basically I could picture Olli with a von und zu because they made it pretty clear he is intrigued of this world. I think sometimes it's totally wrong what they do. If they want a threesome thing I think it's better to use Olli who has a thing for it and not Christian because he doesn't like this "world". I've already said why Olli is the only bearable option with a other person. I would also prefer a woman when it's Olli.
I'm a little sad again because it seems like they let every thing pass where a story wouldn't involve other people too much. Which brings my fear back that the triangle will be their choice when they decide to do something again.
My favourite choice is: Olivia is found and Olli get's a huge crisis.
I keep telling myself they're waiting for something to happen where Chrolli can build up a story from but hmmm... They don't even mention something with Gregors crash but we get mentions of Nathalie and Matthias worrying and Rebecca worrying.
That's why Christians new job and his health is still the only background they have. Maybe Christian get's healthy again and it's even worse because now he's overdoing the boxing and knows how empty his life was when he couldn't do it? (but I only believe that's a possible way when they wanna write him out alive now)
Last week I had all these great hopes about a helicopter storyline with Olli and now it's back to it can get worse next week all of the sudden or better (like the weeks where a single kissing Miriam/Rebecca pic came up out of nowhere...). But I wait until they deal with the crash when Gregor is awake to lose my hope here. Eduard still has a plan and maybe now the hurting everyone and not only GreLu starts?
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Post by Zam on Sept 2, 2009 21:57:26 GMT -5
My favourite choice is: Olivia is found and Olli get's a huge crisis. Especially if she has her cell phone and they find the pictures of her and Sebastian in bed! He's suddenly a suspect! DRAMA! Crisis! Olli and the gang at the Flat-Share turn on Lydia and Seb. Huge fight! Olli lashes out. We can dream...
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Post by lolaruns on Sept 3, 2009 1:54:59 GMT -5
I really want something for Olli on his own, because I really feel like his POV has been so ignored lately. I'd love it to something adventure type, maybe with family (finding out an old family secret with Charlie as his sidekick?). Or like you said, Olivia is found and he gets obessed with proving that it's a murder even though we, the viewers know that it was all an accident. Or even just a smaller No Limits story, where he maybe has to fight off a danger to the NL (annoying customer, evil health inspector) for at least several weeks. I'd actually not mind a smaller story that is all him (with sidekicks) and without Christian. I really, really, really would like Ede to stay. It makes my heart bleed that he likely isn't even a permanent cast member, so he probably won't stay. I'd really like to see him in a romance other than Luise, whether it's Olli, or Elisabeth (they had some nice potential mutual respect thing going on in their scenes; he could go evil and take over/buy the Lahnstein castle and she is the only one who can sway him; or she gets kicked out of the family again and he's there for her), or Helena (they could share fondness for old things and she falls for him and slowly draws him out of his shell and helps him get over the hurt with Luise). I also think that he would have sooooooooooooo much potential as a business player on the show butting heads with Ansgar and Tanja and soooooooooooo much potential as the head or a member of a really, really screwed up von Tepp family. It would be nice to finally have an aristocractic family again where the members are actually snooty and mean and where falling for somebody new would actually be a real change and overcoming for them. Rather than all those aristocrats who are pretty normal and cool already. It makes me crazy sad that it probably will never happen. I'd also really like for Adrian to finally return.
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Post by Zam on Sept 3, 2009 2:02:05 GMT -5
yeah! what Lola said!
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Post by mona on Sept 4, 2009 15:48:03 GMT -5
They like to mention Ollis romantic side a lot lately. My thought: They could do a thing that Olli wants more from Christian in that aspect (like before Ibiza) and after misunderstandings there's also someone who gives Olli that intention which leads to him being unsure for a few weeks but in the end he could realize it doesn't matter to him because he's "just not Christian".
Lola, I like your NL crisis thougts. But I want Eduard in it. Maybe Eduard thinks it's could to sabotage the place where Gregor get's his money from? Because he get's to know about the debt?
Eduard/Justus would be hilarious. Especially Justus having a higher place.
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Post by lugia on Sept 5, 2009 21:36:52 GMT -5
Eduard doesn't have a sexuality at all yet and falling for Olli would be a little cute. + Eduard is a really great actor, a story with him would be heaven. Basically I could picture Olli with a von und zu because they made it pretty clear he is intrigued of this world. Word. Why did they put Christian at the castle? I said way back that only a location change would free the characters up for different storylines (see Nathalie). But maybe Olli should've gone from Schneiders to Koenigsbrunn and Christian taken over No Limits. He was pretty shocked when Gregor wanted to sell it (loan shark non-storyline anyone?). Then he was enthusiastic about the remodeling and suddenly they had Judith say that he was so unhappy with his job as a waiter. Funny, cause last week I couldn't wait for spoilers to hit, either!! And then it was a big yawn. I'm kind of scared they'll pull another "Stella sees Charlie with new eyes" where so many people, including myself, thought it must be a typo. Actually, I've been waiting for that line from someone, for example, Rebecca. We got plenty of the "enjoy their togetherness" but not that in awhile.
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Post by lugia on Sept 5, 2009 21:52:42 GMT -5
I'd really like to see him in a romance other than Luise, whether it's Olli, or Elisabeth (they had some nice potential mutual respect thing going on in their scenes; he could go evil and take over/buy the Lahnstein castle and she is the only one who can sway him; or she gets kicked out of the family again and he's there for her), or Helena (they could share fondness for old things and she falls for him and slowly draws him out of his shell and helps him get over the hurt with Luise). I also think that he would have sooooooooooooo much potential as a business player on the show butting heads with Ansgar and Tanja and soooooooooooo much potential as the head or a member of a really, really screwed up von Tepp family. It would be nice to finally have an aristocractic family again where the members are actually snooty and mean and where falling for somebody new would actually be a real change and overcoming for them. Rather than all those aristocrats who are pretty normal and cool already. It makes me crazy sad that it probably will never happen. I'd also really like for Adrian to finally return. Oh god, you need to write for the show, like, yesterday! I love ALL of these ideas! Why aren't the writers tossing these around? We know they plan stuff and then amend it or don't do it (like making Christian a gay cop), but lately it has felt like there was only one lame option on the table and nobody really listened and just nodded and signed off on it. I think it's a scheduling decision because your ideas seem cool immediately, but they might not be good for endless repetition and constant back and forths. I'm not sure if I still want an arc if they think of it as such an epic year-long story with so much pathos. Like you say, an adventurous Olli subplot with sidekicks would be so much fun, could last for a few weeks, but wouldn't be as pretentious and long-winded. But that would require some quick and clever twists and turns which are not adjustable in the middle or could be handled by any writer.
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Post by mona on Sept 5, 2009 22:08:41 GMT -5
Actually, I've been waiting for that line from someone, for example, Rebecca. I feel the same. Every kiss that "goes by" makes me even more sure that a new spoiler in that direction has to be serious. With Rebecca: the spoiler that she kissed Olli and nothing happened and then I had for weeks the fear that a moment with Christian would create that. But then Helena came. Christian and Olli are the only couple where they could do that I think. Because everyone else is new and with some (David) it doesn't matter and with GreLu = never. But no direction at all still sucks. For all we know in the next spoiler there could be the line about Judith and Christian having a moment. Because from almost no one we have a real direction where the people really go. Except that Rebecca got a little less possible. My mother freaked me out today, too. I was discussing some new spoilers with her and she said Christian falling for someone else would be logical because he's in a new place of life. The castle, having friends there, spending time there with whoever he likes there in the future. But I had to disagree. I think Christians place will always be with people like his brother and Judith and Olli. + the No Limits. I don't see how a job should be an explanation to "move on" when it comes to a relationship. The boxing world was another "planet", too. Next week could be a spoiler week for them again. I'll still have a bit hope that now after Gregor woke up it's still about the "why'?" of the crash but I don't think it's impossible they do something lame like all of the sudden Christian needs someone to talk and Olli isn't really there for him or wasn't. Just to give them something stupid. I'm really looking forward to the spoiler pics though. Or the episode after the crash. Maybe we see some Olli and Christian cuddling tired while waiting for Gregors surgery to be over. Maybe even on purpose so Luise feels alone without Gregor by her side. I just hope Rebecca won't be there again. Although it probably means she's still in love with Gregor? What I still don't understand is: If they do the lame two-three episode thing now, why never something lovely, fluffy? Or at least more romantic. Okay, now it's the Christian is depressive storyline, but the things in between, like Olli getting kissed from Rebecca is not "nice". For example: The little vacation GreLu are doing is something they could've made in a break for Ollian, after Christian kissed Miriam and before his bed problem. Just to get out. It would've made more sense than showing Christian dealing with it okay and then all of the sudden he thinks life is shit. If they do a fight/weird thin in every episode they get, it could really be the case that one day it's too much. but my theory is anyway that to break them up they need a huge thing. Because everything else (a big lie etc.) I would aussume is something they would try to work on at first. As long as they don't question the love or have someone else in some way.
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Post by lugia on Sept 6, 2009 9:14:19 GMT -5
I was discussing some new spoilers with her and she said Christian falling for someone else would be logical because he's in a new place of life. The castle, having friends there, spending time there with whoever he likes there in the future. But I had to disagree. I think Christians place will always be with people like his brother and Judith and Olli. + the No Limits. I don't really "feel" it, either, but it would be logical if you consider Nathalie. She went to work for BrandnerBau and fell for Matthias. And the castle is the main location of the show. If a lead character goes to work there, the chances are high that that location is where the next romantic interest will come from (Katja/Sebastian, Stella/Carla). Either that, or characters are going to waste there because there are so many to deal with already (David). Sounds possible. Like when he was in jail and Coco wrote him support letters, not Nico. Good point. But you have to wonder if only frontburner couples get that. The other characters' stories are much less continuous/coherent. I still don't know what the point of giving Christian this illness/moving him to the castle even was. It's not like that made him back into a main character. It was just like David/Olivia, hot for a few days, then dropped, but the irritating thing, like you say, is, that that's his only, permanent backstory now! So you're automatically speculating what's next.
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