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Post by maya on Dec 22, 2009 11:43:59 GMT -5
Ok, perhaps I'm the only 1 today wanting to "rain a little on VL parade"! ;-P) Generally speaking, I feel to be close to jj8899 & what he wrote at pag.4 of this thread...(+BTW hell yeah, I remember an old UK course for the language, where I stayed with a Brit family, watching Eastenders & another Aussie-soap...LOL, too bad!! ;-D) I mean, I really appreciate Jo & Thore's work, on the contrary, I wouldn't have joined this fans' group...On the other hand, I really have to admire you all, for having been so emotionally linked to a plot that for many months simply sunk... I'm a recent fan, since this summer's end, so I've fresh in mind the beginning of Chrolli's plot, & how it used to be...(& YT is a devil, 'cause through that unforgettable #45 part, made falling in love so many people!! ;-O) Well, simply now I can't feel the same perfect vibe; at the start, they made me a believer of the TRUE LOVE, regardless that I'm not gay, so usually I watch other romances, but this one has been so powerful to convince me to follow throughout... Ok, then it simply DISAPPEREAD...It's like Chrolli are accepted by the VL's others, better still, they exist almost only to support the friends/ families' issues, etc... It's like when we finally have said: OH WELL, AT LAST A WONDERFUL BRAND NEW KIND OF ROMANCE TO STAY TUNED FOR (+INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS)...They've started to kill it slowly...Even softly, as for instance the clever idea of making the notorious VLOG...(Cute & nice, but we didn't need it before, because there was a real story to watch!) ANYWAY WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE??!! I mean, sorry, I'm not the kind of fan who would go to the moon to greet & kiss the actors, sorry again if I'm not the type that "OMG J & T ARE NAKED IN BED...WHOA THE KISSES ARE WITH TOUNGUE OR WITHOUT, blah-blah..." (Of course don't be upset, I respect others who think it's so important, 'cause they've a virtual crush on them ;-P) but you get what I mean... Not 'cause I'm a stone-cold person, but IMO the real spell, that leaves you breathless, is in the mind 1st of all; is for that reason that in many shows they keep for so long the sexual tension: 'cause it attracts deeply the viewers to the point...Then after that magical moment you had really to come up with 1st class-ideas to go on at the same level with the storyline, honestly, do you think they've done it for all these faithful fans around?! I don't think so: people simply have been too hopeful & accommodating with the show...Probably if Thore & Jo would have been less handsome, someone will have already quit with the show, isn't it?! ) Regarding today's ep, yep, finally they have made love...Well, a 40 sec-love I had to pause my YT to watch better, with that unbearable character of Becca-witch almost literally inside their (our) minds/ or at least their bedroom, to ruin the whole scene...& ok, Chris told Olli about the wonderful eyes, wow!...& so what?! It's just that?! EXCUSE ME, BUT IT SEEMS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!...40 seconds-make up after months of nothing?? (Story+sex scenes as well, if I don't get wrong). As if it weren't enough, we got this always through the eyes of Rebecca's character, as if Chrolli aren't really that much important to deserve their POV, after all, but of secondary importance!! I'm under the impression that we got those pretty hot scenes only as a Xmas-present; & 'cause after they will be all 1 against each other for their next plot. All in all, sorry again for having seen it as a bittersweet scene, but it's what I've felt watching...I'm delusional perhaps, and disappointed. Naturally I'll try to stay positive for the next hopefully big storyline for them, involving the new villain-character & all the rest, but if the writers are the same, I don't know... Last but not least, for 2010 my wish is talking less regarding the bad things & falling for Chrolli again, thanks to the stunning new plot! (As when, you know, you talk less about love 'cause you're making it! ;-P) Ciao a tutti*** Concordo pienamente Stregatta!!! I've followed Olli and Christian from the very start and now every time I watch a new episode of the show I cringe... I mean where is the love? Where is the passion. I know that we just had a beaultiful scene but, like all the rest lately, it was more about Rebecca than Ollian. If I would have been a new viewer hooked on the show a couple of months ago 'till yesterday I would never have guessed that these two were more than just good friends. My big complain is that lately they are not written as OTP anymore. If you rewatch some of the old episodes from the boxing storyline it's clear that they were written as soulmates. Now this is simply not there anymore and I've started wondering if all this has been done intentionally by the writers. I just saw yesterday episode of OLTL where Roxy told Kyle that if he isn't carefull he could lose the love of his life! For the people who aren't following the show Kyle and Fish get back together only last month and they didn't even have sex yet. Why can't we have scene like this one for Ollian?? Oliver and Christian have been together for almost 2 years and I don't remember recently someone referring to them as soulmates or them referring to the other as the love of their life. Lately I've noticed a decreasing numbers of fans, even on this board there are a lot less comments than before. I think that some people just get tired or bored waiting for a new important storyline and just left... Probably you're right when you say that the fans who stayed, me included, have been too hopeful and accommodating with the show, mainly because Christian and Olli amazing chemistry has so far hidden the horrible writing. If we would have been more vocal from the start about our concernes and expressing our discontent maybe we could have avoided what it's happening right now with Rebecca
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Post by stregatta on Dec 22, 2009 20:59:26 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Kes, I've read your messages & you've always made good straight-to-the-point observations! ...& like Mitsaso & you, even if it doesn't seem so much, I'm optimistic that somehow we'll have this longed for new beautiful story! (if not, really, I never join here...) You're right, the community-feeling has reached lots of people everywhere, it doesn't happen every day fr sure; (I've seen on YT an old long interview by Thore, on ThoreItaly channel on YT, if I remember well ) pointing out that even the actor didn't expected at all this overwhelming reaction...& I'm glad all the fans love so much gathering to VL-cause & the boys too! These actors have been capable of such an affectionate audeince? Alright, KUDOS to them by heart! I know about the changing of the writer, etc...Sometimes changing is even a good thing, it could also mean a new approach to it, now that they've trained quite a lot months ( ?!). I was simply wondering if instead the fans had had a different approach towards them (as you know, when they got angry in the vlog, & for once VL replied to them with an upset note! )...Perhaps something would have changed faster/ before?! Could be or couldn't be, or it's just the money, & the tv-audience that makes the real difference, as it already happened with other good shows before...Ciao tschuss to the next I think the writers may be catching on . . . but I think Zam was right in a post when he said that a kind approach would be better than anger. The writers may need letters to know precisely what the problem is. There is a time issue here: The make storylines well in advance and film weeks in advance. Even if they do make a change, it will take time to register. We need to be patient. However, I think telling the writers when they get things right is a good idea. Sometimes you can's do things better unless you know how you have done well in the past. What storylines have worked on the show (with the new writing team)? Has anything worked well with Christian and Olli (aside from the sex scenes). I would say the time Christian came to Olli with that menu was beautiful. These writers may need to hear what they do well. Sometimes we make people into the clunkers we tell them they are. I worry about Jasmine for this reason: negative energy can permeate the soul, and it can make one do worse at one's job instead of better. (I think Jasmine has had good moments. It's not her fault that she's been given too much of a role too soon.) Anyway, sorry to run off on a tangent. However, I love this community -- and that means the people here too! That's what keeps me coming. With Love, Kes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ciao Kes, I love you all too, I didn't mean to send out to Jasmin or whoever else bad/ pessimistic vibes, you aleady know...Moreover in this period not at all!! (BTW, if I didn't get wrong with you...HAPPY HANUKKAH! The character of Rebecca in itself isn't the problem, in case is the rest of the plot to be out of its balance...Clearly, being R. in the middle of this coil, she also has attracted the bad side of the issue! Probably these writers' staff still needs a proper direction; you were talking about telling them about what's going wrong, & for sure my intention was not to rant in anger towards them...BUT, since it's quite a good number of months that fans keep telling what's has to be correct through the vlog, I don't know.... Perhaps we should also write in detail to make it more clear, to the official site? Did you mean it?! I only hope they still care regarding our Chrolli's plot, & that it won't turn out to be a second choice for them, for whatever reason I mean (that probably we don't know... as a future new couple, a possible brand new direction)...I don't want either to think to a conspiracy against us however, so let's try to stay positive, as you always say!! Let's wait & see before judging With love (& fingers crossed!), Stregatta =^_^=
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Post by stregatta on Dec 22, 2009 21:36:54 GMT -5
Ok, perhaps I'm the only 1 today wanting to "rain a little on VL parade"! ;-P) Generally speaking, I feel to be close to jj8899 & what he wrote at pag.4 of this thread...(+BTW hell yeah, I remember an old UK course for the language, where I stayed with a Brit family, watching Eastenders & another Aussie-soap...LOL, too bad!! ;-D) I mean, I really appreciate Jo & Thore's work, on the contrary, I wouldn't have joined this fans' group...On the other hand, I really have to admire you all, for having been so emotionally linked to a plot that for many months simply sunk... I'm a recent fan, since this summer's end, so I've fresh in mind the beginning of Chrolli's plot, & how it used to be...(& YT is a devil, 'cause through that unforgettable #45 part, made falling in love so many people!! ;-O) Well, simply now I can't feel the same perfect vibe; at the start, they made me a believer of the TRUE LOVE, regardless that I'm not gay, so usually I watch other romances, but this one has been so powerful to convince me to follow throughout... Ok, then it simply DISAPPEREAD...It's like Chrolli are accepted by the VL's others, better still, they exist almost only to support the friends/ families' issues, etc... It's like when we finally have said: OH WELL, AT LAST A WONDERFUL BRAND NEW KIND OF ROMANCE TO STAY TUNED FOR (+INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS)...They've started to kill it slowly...Even softly, as for instance the clever idea of making the notorious VLOG...(Cute & nice, but we didn't need it before, because there was a real story to watch!) ANYWAY WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE??!! I mean, sorry, I'm not the kind of fan who would go to the moon to greet & kiss the actors, sorry again if I'm not the type that "OMG J & T ARE NAKED IN BED...WHOA THE KISSES ARE WITH TOUNGUE OR WITHOUT, blah-blah..." (Of course don't be upset, I respect others who think it's so important, 'cause they've a virtual crush on them ;-P) but you get what I mean... Not 'cause I'm a stone-cold person, but IMO the real spell, that leaves you breathless, is in the mind 1st of all; is for that reason that in many shows they keep for so long the sexual tension: 'cause it attracts deeply the viewers to the point...Then after that magical moment you had really to come up with 1st class-ideas to go on at the same level with the storyline, honestly, do you think they've done it for all these faithful fans around?! I don't think so: people simply have been too hopeful & accommodating with the show...Probably if Thore & Jo would have been less handsome, someone will have already quit with the show, isn't it?! ) Regarding today's ep, yep, finally they have made love...Well, a 40 sec-love I had to pause my YT to watch better, with that unbearable character of Becca-witch almost literally inside their (our) minds/ or at least their bedroom, to ruin the whole scene...& ok, Chris told Olli about the wonderful eyes, wow!...& so what?! It's just that?! EXCUSE ME, BUT IT SEEMS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!...40 seconds-make up after months of nothing?? (Story+sex scenes as well, if I don't get wrong). As if it weren't enough, we got this always through the eyes of Rebecca's character, as if Chrolli aren't really that much important to deserve their POV, after all, but of secondary importance!! I'm under the impression that we got those pretty hot scenes only as a Xmas-present; & 'cause after they will be all 1 against each other for their next plot. All in all, sorry again for having seen it as a bittersweet scene, but it's what I've felt watching...I'm delusional perhaps, and disappointed. Naturally I'll try to stay positive for the next hopefully big storyline for them, involving the new villain-character & all the rest, but if the writers are the same, I don't know... Last but not least, for 2010 my wish is talking less regarding the bad things & falling for Chrolli again, thanks to the stunning new plot! (As when, you know, you talk less about love 'cause you're making it! ;-P) Ciao a tutti*** Concordo pienamente Stregatta!!! I've followed Olli and Christian from the very start and now every time I watch a new episode of the show I cringe... I mean where is the love? Where is the passion. I know that we just had a beaultiful scene but, like all the rest lately, it was more about Rebecca than Ollian. If I would have been a new viewer hooked on the show a couple of months ago 'till yesterday I would never have guessed that these two were more than just good friends. My big complain is that lately they are not written as OTP anymore. If you rewatch some of the old episodes from the boxing storyline it's clear that they were written as soulmates. Now this is simply not there anymore and I've started wondering if all this has been done intentionally by the writers. I just saw yesterday episode of OLTL where Roxy told Kyle that if he isn't carefull he could lose the love of his life! For the people who aren't following the show Kyle and Fish get back together only last month and they didn't even have sex yet. Why can't we have scene like this one for Ollian?? Oliver and Christian have been together for almost 2 years and I don't remember recently someone referring to them as soulmates or them referring to the other as the love of their life. Lately I've noticed a decreasing numbers of fans, even on this board there are a lot less comments than before. I think that some people just get tired or bored waiting for a new important storyline and just left... Probably you're right when you say that the fans who stayed, me included, have been too hopeful and accommodating with the show, mainly because Christian and Olli amazing chemistry has so far hidden the horrible writing. If we would have been more vocal from the start about our concernes and expressing our discontent maybe we could have avoided what it's happening right now with Rebecca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Complimenti x il tuo italiano, brava Maya! ;D Apart from this...Naturally I see your point! 1st of all, don't blame you & other fans, my compliments towards all of you were genuine: no way that this behaviour could have demage, somehow, VL-direction!! You talked about that other show I don't know, I could tell you of more than another 1, where fans' constant support had made the difference, ABSOLUTELY!! I'm 100% sure that writers & of course actors interested know well it...You made me remember once in an interview, Thore's words about his worries that not being in a major storyline, has always had, as 1st consequence, the almost instant forgetfulness of the viewers... As you can guess well, this isn't the case, regardless of all, fans have been so kind & warm with Chrolli in-off screen! Again, this doesn't happen every day! My complain, like yours, is this lacking of soul-mates' feeling, POV from them, etc...If they're professional writers they should have known better how to deal with a new VL-course, without, obvious enough, destroy one of the most beloved & original couple... Unless, as you observed, they mean following another path, a different one, which could lead in surprising directions... Ok, yet there is an important difference, compared to the other show you watch: why all the fuzz about Chrolli for killing them at the end?! A talking which links to publicity, fame, last but not least money (even if it's not real money, a sort of fame that as for the popstars, means so much..."let's talk about it, bad or good, whatever works!") Much ado about nothing?! Pure madness?! I don't have a clue here, run out of possible explanations, IMO, they know what they're doing... Finally, even if the most recent spoilers have less to do with the guys, let's try to be rational for a minute, let's think to the whole picture: DEFINITELY I CAN FIGURE OUT A BETTER FUTURE FOR THEM. Ahmen!! If I were in their shoes, I would have put in the cauldron more compact scenes, like KES' fav1 with the menu, for making a nice outcome, even if my priority must have been others' new plots... All the best to the next, Ciao
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Post by sylstyle on Jan 3, 2010 6:10:30 GMT -5
Ok IDK how to say that but after watching yesterday Syed wedding and cried like a little boy, I was like WTF . Why can't do they bring such drama, pain and emotion in VL. That was so beautifully writen. And I'm not talking only about Chrolli, but also about the rest of the cast. Is that so complicated . This show is really becoming boring. Fortunately I still enjoy watching our guys Spoiler : I'm sure that what we will have as of January won't even reach the same emotion. Sorry that was my minute of disappointment of the year ;D Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Jan 3, 2010 10:51:56 GMT -5
I hear you sylvain, but you have to manage your expectations, i mean if we look at it realistically, the basic elements of the eastenders plot are a lot more intricate than the chrolli plot. religion, sexuality, family, it's a web, it's well acted and its lovely. I mean, I adore Chrolli to death, but they are pure escapist fare, we can't, unfortunately, expect a plot as intricate as eastenders because those characters live in a very simple world, with one note problems. Eastenders are a little more real. haven't watched the wedding but i know it's going to be INTENSE! Although it would be AMAZING to see jo and thore tackle such intense subject matter, the reality remains that they are usually the b to c plot on a vanilla soap great i just depressed myself
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Post by sylstyle on Jan 3, 2010 11:15:08 GMT -5
I hear you sylvain, but you have to manage your expectations, i mean if we look at it realistically, the basic elements of the eastenders plot are a lot more intricate than the chrolli plot. religion, sexuality, family, it's a web, it's well acted and its lovely. I mean, I adore Chrolli to death, but they are pure escapist fare, we can't, unfortunately, expect a plot as intricate as eastenders because those characters live in a very simple world, with one note problems. Eastenders are a little more real. haven't watched the wedding but i know it's going to be INTENSE! Although it would be AMAZING to see jo and thore tackle such intense subject matter, the reality remains that they are usually the b to c plot on a vanilla soap great i just depressed myself I understand and actually I don't ask that much, especially as you said religion, and family and sexuality as in Easternder do no belong to VL's world. But as some said here spoilers : If Christian can be a Lahstein family member. It will be interesting if Ludwig ask him to marry a woman of his rank. It could be interesting to see what decision can Christian make towards his fellings for Olli. well these are only speculation.Sylvain
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Post by jj8899 on Jan 3, 2010 11:28:51 GMT -5
the thing is you gotta be grateful for what you get - whilst i was impressed with eastenders this week, well written, sophisticated and the acting the best it's ever been (still think john partridge should have stuck to the musicals) - it's the nature of eastenders for the characters to not get the perfect happy fairy tale ending. it's almost hopeless in it's abject doom and gloom - i mean just look at poor ronnie, girl can't catch a break - eastenders could never have the fairytale grelu plot. christian and syed won't ever get the year and a half that chrolli got. they won't get the happy little moments of love and laughter. they won't get to just be ever. and in a way that's quite sad. i dunno. i guess it depends what you want from your own version of escapism.
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Post by sylstyle on Jan 3, 2010 11:37:38 GMT -5
the thing is you gotta be grateful for what you get - whilst i was impressed with eastenders this week, well written, sophisticated and the acting the best it's ever been (still think john partridge should have stuck to the musicals) - it's the nature of eastenders for the characters to not get the perfect happy fairy tale ending. it's almost hopeless in it's abject doom and gloom - i mean just look at poor ronnie, girl can't catch a break - eastenders could never have the fairytale grelu plot. christian and syed won't ever get the year and a half that chrolli got. they won't get the happy little moments of love and laughter. they won't get to just be ever. and in a way that's quite sad. i dunno. i guess it depends what you want from your own version of escapism. I agree with what you wrote. As I said before in France we don't have soaps, so I don't have its culture. But when I see a show called Verbotene Liebe I tend to think that it's not always a fairytale. I like this aspect of this show, especially for Chrolli ;D. But when they want to add drama to it I want drama that can reach the intensity of other show (like we had this week with Eastender, but of course with other subjects or plots Even if VL is less realistic, I'm sure writers can do a better job either on happy moments or during drama. Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Jan 3, 2010 23:33:10 GMT -5
the thing is you gotta be grateful for what you get - whilst i was impressed with eastenders this week, well written, sophisticated and the acting the best it's ever been (still think john partridge should have stuck to the musicals) - it's the nature of eastenders for the characters to not get the perfect happy fairy tale ending. it's almost hopeless in it's abject doom and gloom - i mean just look at poor ronnie, girl can't catch a break - eastenders could never have the fairytale grelu plot. christian and syed won't ever get the year and a half that chrolli got. they won't get the happy little moments of love and laughter. they won't get to just be ever. and in a way that's quite sad. i dunno. i guess it depends what you want from your own version of escapism. I agree with what you wrote. As I said before in France we don't have soaps, so I don't have its culture. But when I see a show called Verbotene Liebe I tend to think that it's not always a fairytale. I like this aspect of this show, especially for Chrolli ;D. But when they want to add drama to it I want drama that can reach the intensity of other show (like we had this week with Eastender, but of course with other subjects or plots Even if VL is less realistic, I'm sure writers can do a better job either on happy moments or during drama. Sylvain I totally see where you're coming from, it's like, if you're going to inject drama into the formula, don't do it half assed, FULL assed into the drama please, illnesses, cheating, drugs, i mean the VL world is PRISTINE...right now, lets sully it up.
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Post by stregatta on Jan 15, 2010 17:43:14 GMT -5
Can I call it "FORBIDDEN BOREDOM" please?! ;-P) Sorry, but really these days I feel like the boyz are "guest-stars" for the others' plot... Or rather, are we only supposed to talk about their new haircut, or how bad it's supposed to be the fall of an expensive dj-set, aren't we ?! ;-D)
Last but not least, I'm the only one to have had the impression of Jo & Thore being kind of "more relaxed" in their roles, improvising?? Knowing that they have, no matter what, this incredible fan-base..& for inst., in the vlog, it seems that they don't even act, they almost show off more of their personalities-out of characters...At least compared to the very first clip.
Jo-the debonair clown, Thore the more shy & brooding of the couple of friends; oops, perhaps since I haven't got more elements nowadays to watch, I'm reading too much into the lines, but overall this has been my impression regarding the acting itself...They seem to be friends not lovers, I don't feel "the vibe" those days, so welcome to a little shake to the situation, IMO.
At the beginning, they looked more natural, less "stereotyped" in their roles: I felt to have a special connection to the soul-core of the characters, not anymore...Now I perfectly know what to expect from a scene with them, but it's not the same as before. Anyways, I'm so desperate to see this new story for them, I'm really hopeful this could change this bad trend; 'cause the thing I really can't bear (honestly, way more than Chribecca!), it's the subtle inner change of characters...That bothers me more than anything else: lacking of space/quality time in the show, kisses less/more passionate, possible threats on the horizon, blah-blah-blah...
Ok, sorry for being impatient to wait, but it's difficult even to stay tuned & follow a story this way, you know. Ciao*
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Post by jj8899 on Jan 15, 2010 19:02:08 GMT -5
i agree - they need a new challenge. i just don't see The Plank as it. i don't even care about the 'passion' anymore, i would literally just be happy with a decently written scene for them to be the focus of. i *HATE* the vlog. i think it's an excuse for them not to get proper SLs. and while i appreciate what they are trying to do - giving up their time (not that it's spent usefully elsewhere on VL ) and effort to produce a weekly video - it feels a bit half arsed to me. like jo and thore are clocking on to perform a little bait piece to keep the fans hanging on. i've got the same view on the kissing, in the vlog and on the show. they could spend the entire vlog face to face, tonguing eachother and it wouldn't mean anything to me. because while i think they have great chemistry and portray chrolli really well - it wasn't just that i tuned in for. i liked the platform and status they were given. and the stories that were told. and on the show it's got to the point where, sometimes i think when they sense chrolli fans' interest dwindling, they'll have a mini two arc fight with a little tease make up at the end to keep us guessing. hoping for more than the crumbs they give out now. that's what i expect now when i see them in the spoilers having some kind of fight. and it was great the first two times they used the technique. but now it's like *yawn* and....?! anything else.....?! when i feel very, very low about VL and feiler (i don't like her one bit) - i sometimes think i would rather she just did what she clearly wants to do, ripped the band aid off, stopped fannying about trying to keep the fan base and just broke chrolli up. so jo and thore could be freed up to get great scenes, and one day in the future, under a better, more talented, thoughtful head writer they could be brought back together. but then i don't trust VL to provide for jo and thore even if chrolli do seperate - i think at best it would be one or the other who flourished post-chrolli, and that almost makes me glad they're sort of trapped in this pretty little gilded cage that is chrolli nowadays. it's quite sad...
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Post by stregatta on Jan 15, 2010 22:21:36 GMT -5
i agree - they need a new challenge. i just don't see The Plank as it. i don't even care about the 'passion' anymore, i would literally just be happy with a decently written scene for them to be the focus of. i *HATE* the vlog. i think it's an excuse for them not to get proper SLs. and while i appreciate what they are trying to do - giving up their time (not that it's spent usefully elsewhere on VL ) and effort to produce a weekly video - it feels a bit half arsed to me. like jo and thore are clocking on to perform a little bait piece to keep the fans hanging on. i've got the same view on the kissing, in the vlog and on the show. they could spend the entire vlog face to face, tonguing eachother and it wouldn't mean anything to me. because while i think they have great chemistry and portray chrolli really well - it wasn't just that i tuned in for. i liked the platform and status they were given. and the stories that were told. and on the show it's got to the point where, sometimes i think when they sense chrolli fans' interest dwindling, they'll have a mini two arc fight with a little tease make up at the end to keep us guessing. hoping for more than the crumbs they give out now. that's what i expect now when i see them in the spoilers having some kind of fight. and it was great the first two times they used the technique. but now it's like *yawn* and....?! anything else.....?! when i feel very, very low about VL and feiler (i don't like her one bit) - i sometimes think i would rather she just did what she clearly wants to do, ripped the band aid off, stopped fannying about trying to keep the fan base and just broke chrolli up. so jo and thore could be freed up to get great scenes, and one day in the future, under a better, more talented, thoughtful head writer they could be brought back together. but then i don't trust VL to provide for jo and thore even if chrolli do seperate - i think at best it would be one or the other who flourished post-chrolli, and that almost makes me glad they're sort of trapped in this pretty little gilded cage that is chrolli nowadays. it's quite sad... Can I jump where you're & give you a big comforting hug right now?! LOL!! 'cause it's exactly how I was feeling/thinking writing this post...Amen to all you've said. I didn't dare to say something regarding the vlog,'cause I know the majority of fans are addicted to "those crumbs", & also 'cuse I really sincerely appreciated the effort of the actors for us... Anyways, since we aren't children who want to go to see the the musical-sort-of-event, after having seen a successful movie...I'd have preferred a good straight-to-the-point story, that the parody of what once was a perfect plot... & obviously, I'm still not so used to the German-kind of soaps: in ours nobody waits 1 year (45 minutes long ep.?!) to watch the couple of the story to get together & marry...there's a quicker change of pace/ characters, I swear you never know if a good character turns bad, dies or even will have the happy-end...That's what I call drama! But nevertheless I respect all the diffeences & accept them. All in all, since some other fan gets even angry if you only dare to wish for a big challenge in Ollian's plot, or is upset about the haircut, it's better to stay ...So fingers crossed for future VL!! Cheers, bye-bye
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Post by thunderkat on Jan 21, 2010 19:19:56 GMT -5
just here to grumble a little about the vlog...seemed somewhat anemic to me today although punctuated by some truly truly sweet moments. idk, i felt overall like, why is Xtian in a snit? is he still ticked about the records? is he feeling sorry for himself? is he jealous of robert?!! I sincerely hope it's the latter, because otherwise, I just don't get what Xtian's problem was today... maybe i'm reading too much into it, but there was just definitely something...off...or flat...or i dunno... weird about it. i think i'll sleep on it...i may be projecting ya know...
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Post by andre on Jan 21, 2010 20:26:14 GMT -5
just here to grumble a little about the vlog...seemed somewhat anemic to me today although punctuated by some truly truly sweet moments. idk, i felt overall like, why is Xtian in a snit? is he still ticked about the records? is he feeling sorry for himself? is he jealous of robert?!! I sincerely hope it's the latter, because otherwise, I just don't get what Xtian's problem was today... maybe i'm reading too much into it, but there was just definitely something...off...or flat...or i dunno... weird about it. i think i'll sleep on it...i may be projecting ya know... I would say: typical Christian, being spoil-sport when Olli has good time some-where else or with somebody else except him, attention-whore ;D So I saw nothing new in this clip. Christian doesn't seem to be happy that Olli is spending so much energy on NL now and is gushing over Rob. SPOILER: We know already that a jealousy fit is coming up.
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 18:37:43 GMT -5
just here to grumble a little about the vlog...seemed somewhat anemic to me today although punctuated by some truly truly sweet moments. idk, i felt overall like, why is Xtian in a snit? is he still ticked about the records? is he feeling sorry for himself? is he jealous of robert?!! I sincerely hope it's the latter, because otherwise, I just don't get what Xtian's problem was today... maybe i'm reading too much into it, but there was just definitely something...off...or flat...or i dunno... weird about it. i think i'll sleep on it...i may be projecting ya know... No, it's simply the way actor Thore acts I guess...But at the beginning I didn't pay too much attention on it! Besides, as the plan of the episodes finished to become boring, after months of repeating the same mechanism in them, also the vlog is going on the same path...Yes. of course it's cute, they're good-looking & sweet, but, if you think twice, if they really were a couple in life, it could make a sense to the gay-viewers that take them as "real", but since it's all fictional, I don't know... IMO it would have been better if they had done only some sort of special for VL., or "commercial", playing their characters.... But back on focus on VL show, to see their very best: as, I don't know, it could have been something COOL, that is impossible not to love...As the banter, the competition, and of course the mind games! Ok sorry, back to VL reality now, I know these are the kind of things we won't see on this type of show...Cheers ;D
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 3, 2010 0:02:56 GMT -5
SPOILER!!!! If you'll allow me to indulge in a little immaturity here: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ROB MARENBACH!!!!!
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 3, 2010 0:07:18 GMT -5
SPOILER!!!! If you'll allow me to indulge in a little immaturity here: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ROB MARENBACH!!!!! A-fucking-greed.
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Post by kes on Feb 11, 2010 17:10:26 GMT -5
I just watched the little preview of today's episode again. (TODAY's!)
Ludwig comes in and says something like, "You are having coffee and kugel without me?"
What drama!!! Wow!!! I can hardly believe the tension!!!
You know a soap is getting writing-challenged when kugel becomes a matter of drama.
(Do Germans eat kugel? I thought it was a Ashkenazim Jewish thing, which includes some Germans, granted. Was I right in my translation?)
Anyway: later we get to the incredible DRESS CHOOSING SCENE!!! Oh my Goodness! I was on pins and needles wondering which dress Rebbecca would choose.
Then The Sorrow: Maria is not allowed in a family photograph, and wanders around aimlessly, because we all know aimless wandering makes for outstanding television.
For once, Christian and Olli (with that uber-handsome Rob) had the most interesting plotline.
(Though from what I can tell, Rob was given stupid dialogue today. What's this farmboy crap? I mean, come on? Does anyone talk that way anymore? Country bumpkin does not clever dialogue make. No wonder Olli got angry. Had Rob given Christian a properly intelligent insult, then Olli may have been aroused rather than angry.)
Of course, Olli and Christian had an amazing story today: Setting up for a party and confronting a drug dealer. Wow. This is so original! I bet that no one has ever run this plot line before. I mean, sure it was on the afterschool special, and on Family Ties (I'm guessing), the Brady Bunch (the Greg smoking episode), Six Feet Under (okay, they did a much better job) VL multiple times, the Love Boat, and Sponge Bob Square Pants (okay, maybe not).
Who is running VL? What planet do they hail from? Do they get that this show is getting so boring and tedious that even a die-hard obsessive fan has to jump through episodes just to stay awake?
Oy!
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Post by mona on Feb 14, 2010 0:19:55 GMT -5
What is annoying me: Christians work at Königsbrunn. At first I didn't like him at the castle at all and I still believe it's not good for the character but how they deal with his job is even more terrible. I even tried to ignore it that he can sit in the castle kitchen all the time but nobody else from the stable would ever be there. But last week it got too much: First he's getting his work plan where all the maids have to stay (and nobody from the stable is there) and then he's just walking through the normal hall upstairs in his working clothes. I almost wonder why Rebecca would never try to make it happen that Christian can eat with them upstairs Or that he would walk in the library to borrow a book for his lunch break. Even using the horses and the Lahnstein food + using their parc is sometimes too much but that goes under soap I guess.
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 19:37:10 GMT -5
Oh gosh....If even polite Kes gets angry of VL nowadays, I had to begin worrying very much!! ;-D)
Besides, I guess you, Mona & co. are "upset" 'cause the plot isn't exacly how you had imagined it to be...Furthermore it's been such a long wait that it was almost sure we would have seen some kind of disappointment, because people behind VL is always THAT staff we've so much talked against, etc...
That said, I stay stick to my old opinion: the problem generally lies in VL-soap as a whole, the approach to it: then you could also add that sometimes it could get worse for actors acting with a bad moon, or unispired dialogues, but the main issue remains the soap that basically is a sort of comedy (alias the vlog).
The pressure on Chrolli's fame I guess it's not always healthy to certain writers to take the best out of this kind of storyline, anyhow it's better than nothing to have at long last something to enjoy...I've always said the best of you guys, 'cause honestly I couldn't have stayed stick to this story for so long (in their gap-year I mean)...
However it's a pity 'cause I still think that a little effort put into the same plot, would have made a perfect Chrolli's storyline...I mean, simply more accurate banters (as it was in SEX & THE CITY, or other Brit shows too, etc...) & editing+pace.
I'm a fan of Rob too, but I'm calm about the future of the couple, I even think the infamous kiss with Olli will be a stolen 1, so nothing really menacing for Chris; instead it's incredible+crazy, but I feel more the tension between poor David & pixie-witch Becca, as a Verbotene Liebe...I know, it's madness, bu you get what I mean, uh?! ;-P) Tschuss*
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Post by cheerios on Feb 17, 2010 14:39:01 GMT -5
Does Rob really care for Olli? Or is he more of a conquest for him because he can't have him? Olli will be devastated to find someone he let into his life, that he trusted and even had feelings for. Would then turn around and deal drugs at No Limits, which is basically Olli's baby. It seems Rob truly only cares for himself if he is willing to use Olli and No Limits to push his own agenda.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 17, 2010 14:46:44 GMT -5
Does Rob really care for Olli? Or is he more of a conquest for him because he can't have him? Olli will be devastated to find someone he let into his life, that he trusted and even had feelings for. Would then turn around and deal drugs at No Limits, which is basically Olli's baby. It seems Rob truly only cares for himself if he is willing to use Olli and No Limits to push his own agenda. WARNING MY POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ya know, I've been asking myself the same question... I look at what we've seen so far, such as the looks Rob gives him (also the big, happy smile he had when he got off the phone with Olli), and then on Thursday he's gonna tell Olli that he means a lot to him, and then kisses him blahblah..and plus, he's going thru all this trouble to make No Limits a well-known, awesome club/bar.. It could just be that he just wants to have sex with him or if, like you said, he wants him just cuz he's taken.... He clearly doesn't like Christian and I think he's trying to make himself look better than Christian to Olli, so I would say, yah i think he does like Olli.
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 17, 2010 14:56:17 GMT -5
SPOILER
IDK if Rob is able to love, like Olivia for instance or at least in a strange way. But here I think he is using Olli's innocence even using (fake) feelings in order to make him blind to his activities. He also try to get rid of Christian because he is an obstacle to his dealing His goal is to have a fruitful business. so maybe he has even to pretend he loves Olli to have an open-door to NL and this will only work if Chrolli are apart.
Sylvain
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Post by stregatta on Feb 18, 2010 20:56:32 GMT -5
PS_but if I were a VL-author I would have simply make Rob also like Olli for real, besides drug-business & all: so more & more complications...I still hope he'll develop true feeling, if not, it's a little too plain easy this story, not enough troubles I guess??
Oh, for better saying, since this is a show based on feelings, more than other stuff, you've gotta go really deep into them to make them result on a bigger scale!
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Post by davedoty on Feb 19, 2010 13:57:33 GMT -5
No actual bitterness, but I thought this might be a good place to ask this question, to avoid arguments about whether the show has been downhill for the last year+
I've been hearing lately that the show has been on an upswing of late. I'm not going to plow through all of the months of the show since I abandoned it, but I'm willing to pick it up at a later point where it started to get good again and go from there.
So, since I assume there are people in this thread who would agree with me that the show was less than stellar for a while, where would you recommend picking it back up (if you would, of course)?
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