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Post by carld2 on Dec 19, 2009 11:56:58 GMT -5
Yes. A few months ago the psych place he was in felt he was capable of returning home. Nancy was furious and still does not trust him, but so far he is doing well. I'm sure he will go nuts again at some point, although I'd rather see him stay sane, as he was generally a sane and decent enough guy until they had him accidentally kill the Valentine mum and finally he and Frankie both became homophobes for the McDean story.
Oddly enough I'm not even sure if these scenes would have been in the episode if not for a major story (Jake's girlfriend Loretta was supposed to reveal her secret past where she and her friend, when they were nearing teen years, causing the death of a child) being cancelled at the last moment. They had to put in some filler stuff, which was probably this scene, and also Tom talking about Max.
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Post by cheerios on Dec 21, 2009 2:22:03 GMT -5
Ugh I was never fond of Jake, putting aside him being a homophobic and accidentally killing the Valentines mom. He had such a violent temper on him, how he became when he found out about Becca and Justin. Then how he went off on Nancy when they were married.
I was watching some old clips today and I was thinking about how Craig who was perfectly happy having his cake and eating it too. But the thought of someone else sharing John Paul drove him crazy. But later on in the affair when guys made passes at Sarah, Craig wasn't that upset.
Craig has always been very jealous of Spike. Everyone thought it was because he was just uncomfortable with John Paul being in a gay relationship with Spike. But in fact it drove Craig to the breaking point the thought of Spike being with John Paul because Craig was in love. Even if he couldn't admit it to himself yet.
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Post by mylu on Apr 25, 2010 7:23:30 GMT -5
some friends of mine has told me to check out JPC for years and well i finnaly did and finsehd it in some days. And wow this is like an awsome storyline. THe fast became my second otp of all time after brian/justin. And for those that knwons me that says alot how awsome JPC is. I guess it's really love if you can't stand the thought of someone else with them then Man i iwsh i had lisen to my frinend in like 2007 when they started talking about it lol B/c it would been awsome to be onboard when the sl was aculy going on.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 25, 2010 11:05:55 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed it, mylu. I wasn't around (paying attention) back when it originally aired, so I could only watch after-the-fact. I thought they did a very good job, at least up until JP forgave Craig for running away on holiday with Sarah. That kind of bugged me, and there were some weird moments after that that seemed a little forced to me (including, to some extent, the sunset ending). Other than that, I really like the story .
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Post by mylu on Apr 25, 2010 11:13:08 GMT -5
yeah the holiday run away was a littel strange to me too. I mean if he really was that crasy aout JP he wouldn't have done that. But again maybe he was really deep in denial land or somethign lol But as a whole i love the JPC story. Mainly b/c i'm often a sucker angst and i can't get you out of my head storys. As long as i knwon it ends well. So at some point i guess it was good i saw it after it was done so i known it ended well.
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Post by jblaze08 on Sept 28, 2010 13:23:37 GMT -5
I miss them...
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Post by Zathras on Sept 28, 2010 20:06:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking about their story a little bit the other day. I was listening to Epic Last Song .
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Post by cathy29 on Oct 23, 2010 17:53:06 GMT -5
Every time i see James Sutton aka Ryan on Emmerdale i remember him playing John Paul on HollyOaks.He is still so sexy i wish his character was gay and they would pair him up with Jackson.
Guy Burnet what is he up too?He should join Emmerdale or go back to Hollyoaks.
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Post by Zathras on Oct 23, 2010 20:17:48 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia and the IMDb, Guy has had various acting jobs over the last couple of years (well, three years now) since leaving Hollyoaks.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 2, 2010 14:34:30 GMT -5
Here is a little mention of the boys in today's episode.
Carmel: Look at our John Paul and his Craig eh? You know they went through hell, but they got there eventually. You know love always finds a way.
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Post by dannybaby1234 on Nov 3, 2010 9:05:25 GMT -5
I know I have seen a very much larger version of this pic somewhere before, but I just can't seem to get a hold of it. So if anybody could help me out that would be great x.
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Post by dmagiclight on Nov 8, 2010 13:44:04 GMT -5
I watched this story line about a year or so ago and fell In love with the show and characters when I first watched it,Craig was a total a** and I thought John Paul was stupid for taking him back time again,but love makes you do the crazy,anyway I just re watched it and this time I found myself under standing Craig and what he was going thru what he was doing was wrong but I felt he thought he was trapped and was trying to please everybody and failing everyone at the same time. I know this has been done for a while just thought I would put my 2 cents in but I would love a return to Hollyoaks for Craig and John Paul
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Post by Zathras on Nov 8, 2010 20:35:22 GMT -5
I don't mind you bringing up this topic ;D. This was the first gay romance I really watched - almost 2 years ago . It left quite an impression on me, and is still probably my favorite. Any way ... I thought they played the story perfectly up until when Craig ran away on holiday with Sarah. The "ease" with which John Paul took Craig back was a little quick; seemed like a big mis-step to me. But overall, I didn't have any trouble understanding either of their motivations. Yeah, Craig was a jerk, but he was believable. The last big mis-step was the way the ending was done. It was too quick, and wasn't terribly well done. Despite that fact, I was happy they ended up together. Epic Last Song is one of my favorites now ;D. I used to think that I'd love to see a brief return for the guys (maybe for a Hollyoaks Later or something), but I'm not so sure anymore. While I'd love to see them comfortable as a couple in public (which they never were on the show), I think it might be better to leave that to the imagination. After all, all good things come to an end.
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Post by mtnviewboy on Jan 15, 2011 14:30:13 GMT -5
I finally watched the whole story non-stop for two days. I had tears in my eyes so many times. I watched it because it was mentioned so many times in other threads, and I thought it would be cliche as other soaps.
Yes, some parts of stories did follow soapy formula, but overall the SL is well-written. The actors are superb in acting. I wish all other stories can be well-thought like this one, making it believable.
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Post by cjpfan on Jul 17, 2011 6:08:20 GMT -5
I know the story is long since finished but.....yayy, here's another JPC mention letting us know the boys are still together.
Love it. ;D
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Post by nahuela on Jul 18, 2011 15:05:50 GMT -5
Oh this is great, I love it...
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Post by cheerios on Jul 18, 2011 15:14:26 GMT -5
I think the writers do remember that McDean was a big part of the show history and a huge fan favorite. That the boys still have family in the village who they would keep up with. I do love the fact that they do get mention and that they are still together.
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Post by alex20 on Jan 31, 2012 22:01:38 GMT -5
Oh looking back ... I still wish that James and Guy had done the 2008-spin-off together. It would have worked so perfectly. JP and Craig on vacation and Niall making one last attempt to destroy them. I'd wish for the same ending - that Niall ends up dead - but it would have given the show so much more energy when the two of them were involved. So it felt complete out of place. JP who suddenly appears in that Church kidnapping ... and one months later, Craig taking a vacation with his sister after admitting that JP hasn't been that good. "Hollyoaks Later" would have given them the chance to show us McDean don't let destroy their love by anyone anymore. In the beginning they could have shown some sweet scenes between JP and Craig before Niall comes into the scene. And after that whole drama, Craig and JP could have both gone out strong, telling one another that now they know nothing can keep them apart anymore. Don't know if the schedule wouldn't have work out for James or anything else ... but it would have been the better ending. Rather than having them both one separately only weeks after the sunset ending (which really then was MY ending to these two characters). Great that they still get mentioned as of last year and that they are still together. McDean made "Hollyoaks" history. They owe that couple a lot and I hope they will always remember that. One can dream that one day (with family still in town) the reappear for a little guest stint ... showing how happy they are with each other. ;D
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Post by iritalia on Feb 3, 2012 17:21:36 GMT -5
OMG! Is it really that long ago yet it somehow seems just like yesterday. All those hours, weeks, months spent on DS, what fun was had. ;D Craig Dean. Probably still my all time fave although it's a close tie with Olli. Oh, did I forget about Spike. I'm not fickle.
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Post by candyflossuk on Feb 3, 2012 18:56:58 GMT -5
Oh looking back ... I still wish that James and Guy had done the 2008-spin-off together. It would have worked so perfectly. JP and Craig on vacation and Niall making one last attempt to destroy them. I'd wish for the same ending - that Niall ends up dead - but it would have given the show so much more energy when the two of them were involved. So it felt complete out of place. JP who suddenly appears in that Church kidnapping ... and one months later, Craig taking a vacation with his sister after admitting that JP hasn't been that good. "Hollyoaks Later" would have given them the chance to show us McDean don't let destroy their love by anyone anymore. In the beginning they could have shown some sweet scenes between JP and Craig before Niall comes into the scene. And after that whole drama, Craig and JP could have both gone out strong, telling one another that now they know nothing can keep them apart anymore. Don't know if the schedule wouldn't have work out for James or anything else ... but it would have been the better ending. Rather than having them both one separately only weeks after the sunset ending (which really then was MY ending to these two characters). Great that they still get mentioned as of last year and that they are still together. McDean made "Hollyoaks" history. They owe that couple a lot and I hope they will always remember that. One can dream that one day (with family still in town) the reappear for a little guest stint ... showing how happy they are with each other. ;D If I remember correctly, there was a bizarre rumour going round that the proposed 'Hollyoaks Later' involved sex on a house boat (yes really!) and that James wasn't up for that or particularly impressed with the proposed script. I have no idea whether this was true or not but if it was, I can't particulary blame James for not being interested. Sure, it would have been a nice present to the fans but we already had our SE which was the main thing. Also, I always felt a sense that James had become bored of playing John Paul by this point and was eager to move on. His character was poorly written during the Kieron storyline and I felt that even James was struggling to understand JP's actions and motivations by this point. I may be wrong but that was just the impression I got. Don't get me wrong, I think James is a brilliant actor and was perfect as JP. But I also think he's the kind of actor where you can tell if he isn't particularly impressed with the character he's playing and the storylines he's been given (example: boring Ryan in Emmerdale). I wouldn't have minded the fact that Craig appeared in HO Later alone, if it hadn't of been for the fact that the writers felt the need to crap all over the SE they'd already given us. Craig talks about JP drinking and struggling to cope. Then he says something along the lines of 'wanting something for so long that when you get it it's....'i.e, implying that it's not working out as well as he'd hoped. Why leave us on that thought rather than have Craig say he loved John Paul? That he was determined to help him through his problems? That he missed him. Anything would have been better than what we got, which was a half finished ambiguous sentence. Even him ringing JP on his mobile to say that he was coming home would have been an improvement. I never understand the writers decision to give us our happy ending then throw in these complications that they knew we would never see resolved because James and Guy weren't on the show any more . It felt like a slap in the face for all those who had campaigned for a happy ending. However, Hollyoaks have slightly redeemed themselves now by making clear through their frequent mentions that John Paul and Craig are still together and apparently happy. John Paul is still my favourite soap opera gay ever .
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Post by candyflossuk on Feb 3, 2012 18:58:22 GMT -5
OMG! Is it really that long ago yet it somehow seems just like yesterday. All those hours, weeks, months spent on DS, what fun was had. ;D Craig Dean. Probably still my all time fave although it's a close tie with Olli. Oh, did I forget about Spike. I'm not fickle. I LOVED Spike. Most people hated him on FH and DS for daring to me JP's boyfriend whilst Craig was in crazy-denial mode but I thought he was a great first boyfriend for JP. I never found him arrogant - just confident. And anyway, he obviously really cared about JP so it must have been difficult to deal with Craig and Hannah's jealousy towards him, particularly when he learned that JP loved Craig. Craig was horrible to Spike from the start so Spike just returned the favour. I still laugh at the 'mc-nugget' scene.... ;D
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Post by Zathras on Feb 3, 2012 20:21:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I would have preferred that Craig & Niall's bits in that HO Later never happened. I just really didn't like the whole Niall revenge plot. So I just ignore Later and, therefore, those comments ;D. To this day, I still haven't watched JP's brief return for the kidnapping fiasco . For me, the story ended when they left for Dublin together. As for Spike, I didn't mind him. I thought he was a good guy who just responded to Craig being a jealous ass. It would have been nice if he stayed around for a while, but I guess that was it for him.
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Post by alex20 on Feb 4, 2012 13:19:38 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, there was a bizarre rumour going round that the proposed 'Hollyoaks Later' involved sex on a house boat (yes really!) and that James wasn't up for that or particularly impressed with the proposed script. I have no idea whether this was true or not but if it was, I can't particulary blame James for not being interested. Sure, it would have been a nice present to the fans but we already had our SE which was the main thing. Also, I always felt a sense that James had become bored of playing John Paul by this point and was eager to move on. His character was poorly written during the Kieron storyline and I felt that even James was struggling to understand JP's actions and motivations by this point. I may be wrong but that was just the impression I got. Don't get me wrong, I think James is a brilliant actor and was perfect as JP. But I also think he's the kind of actor where you can tell if he isn't particularly impressed with the character he's playing and the storylines he's been given (example: boring Ryan in Emmerdale). I get what you're saying and I think that you could be right about that. I also always felt that James himself wasn't much into the Kieron storyline. Because of the writing and because of what the character used to be before. I felt that 2008 wasn't particularly a good year for Hollyoaks. Many things have been done wrong IMO. And yeah, when it really had to be that way with Craig alone at HL, I wish they would have told a different story as how things between McDean are. This was a total joke! And so was the kidnapping of the McQueens. I didn't mind Spike either. He was a nice guy and a good first boyfriend for JP. But yeah, it ended the right way. I still get really emotional when I see the scenes from the McDean Day, where Craig confesses that he's jealous over JP. Phenomenal acting on both parts. James and Guy were awesome in those scenes. ;D
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Post by candyflossuk on Feb 4, 2012 20:11:08 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, there was a bizarre rumour going round that the proposed 'Hollyoaks Later' involved sex on a house boat (yes really!) and that James wasn't up for that or particularly impressed with the proposed script. I have no idea whether this was true or not but if it was, I can't particulary blame James for not being interested. Sure, it would have been a nice present to the fans but we already had our SE which was the main thing. Also, I always felt a sense that James had become bored of playing John Paul by this point and was eager to move on. His character was poorly written during the Kieron storyline and I felt that even James was struggling to understand JP's actions and motivations by this point. I may be wrong but that was just the impression I got. Don't get me wrong, I think James is a brilliant actor and was perfect as JP. But I also think he's the kind of actor where you can tell if he isn't particularly impressed with the character he's playing and the storylines he's been given (example: boring Ryan in Emmerdale). I get what you're saying and I think that you could be right about that. I also always felt that James himself wasn't much into the Kieron storyline. Because of the writing and because of what the character used to be before. I felt that 2008 wasn't particularly a good year for Hollyoaks. Many things have been done wrong IMO. And yeah, when it really had to be that way with Craig alone at HL, I wish they would have told a different story as how things between McDean are. This was a total joke! And so was the kidnapping of the McQueens. I didn't mind Spike either. He was a nice guy and a good first boyfriend for JP. But yeah, it ended the right way. I still get really emotional when I see the scenes from the McDean Day, where Craig confesses that he's jealous over JP. Phenomenal acting on both parts. James and Guy were awesome in those scenes. ;D Yes. The Kieron storyline was ridiculous and made no sense. John Paul spent months being Craig's 'dirty little secret' and vowed never to do that again. He left Craig because he 'deserved more' than to be hidden away in Dublin, with a boyfriend who wasn't yet comfortable with his sexuality. Yet only months after Craig leaves, he starts a secret affair with a Catholic priest? . After Guy left, James specifically said that he wanted to play a storyline that didn't just revolve around John Paul's sexuality. But the writers ignored that and unfortunately, the character of JP was sacrificed for soap sensationalism, in this case an affair with a priest. So I cant say that I blame James for wanting to get away before the writers could do any more damage to the once brilliant character that was John Paul. Yes, Mcdean day was phenomonal. I remember how excited I was that day. School seemed to drag on forever. ;D. Still the best gay story ever shown on TV in my opinion, particularly the beginning part of it. James and Emma (Hannah) were phenomenal and heartbreaking in JP's coming out scene. God I miss them . Ps; great avatar .
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Post by alex20 on Feb 5, 2012 5:35:04 GMT -5
Yes. The Kieron storyline was ridiculous and made no sense. John Paul spent months being Craig's 'dirty little secret' and vowed never to do that again. He left Craig because he 'deserved more' than to be hidden away in Dublin, with a boyfriend who wasn't yet comfortable with his sexuality. Yet only months after Craig leaves, he starts a secret affair with a Catholic priest? . After Guy left, James specifically said that he wanted to play a storyline that didn't just revolve around John Paul's sexuality. But the writers ignored that and unfortunately, the character of JP was sacrificed for soap sensationalism, in this case an affair with a priest. So I cant say that I blame James for wanting to get away before the writers could do any more damage to the once brilliant character that was John Paul. Yes, Mcdean day was phenomonal. I remember how excited I was that day. School seemed to drag on forever. ;D. Still the best gay story ever shown on TV in my opinion, particularly the beginning part of it. James and Emma (Hannah) were phenomenal and heartbreaking in JP's coming out scene. God I miss them . Ps; great avatar . The JP and Kieron story was a joke from the beginning. They just tried to use all this gossip what was there about McDean to tell yet another "scandalous" love story involving JP. To that time, the writers seemed to forgotten that JP just lost the boy he really loves. And then leaving Craig for being his secret just to become Kieron's was beyond stupid. I remember the McDean Day sitting there and just going "NO ... they don't got that far. NO Craig won't say that". LOL In the end it was just mind blowing. It was perfect when you forget about the part where Craig drops the F-bomb on JP. And oh yeah, I do miss them so much!!!! They really are THE best gay couple that we ever had. Their storyline showed so much emotions like none before or after. I don't want to hate on other couples, but when I look around ... watch some storylines and then remember McDean, I'm just bored. I just think like "after this story is out there you try to get my attention with this???". P.S.: Thanks. I love your avatar!!! Oh great times.^^
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