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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 12:46:05 GMT -5
Please discuss McDean here.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 14:56:59 GMT -5
I do believe they're soulmates but unless Craig can deal with being gay/bi AND being in love with a man without caring who knows nor what others think, things between he and John Paul will not work out because John Paul will not live in the closet. And he doesn't deserve to.
I am still leaning more on the SE not happening, but if it does then cool but only if Craig has dealt with his issues and can give John Paul the honest, loving relationship he deserves.
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Post by superdonkey on Apr 17, 2008 4:27:38 GMT -5
Old post i know, but i just got here I would rather that Spike be brought back as his love interest. To me he was the only one who seemed to genuinely care for John-Paul. I personally found Craig to be very manuplative<sp> and controling . And for Kieron it seemed that his problems with his own sexuality came to a head. It didn't seem to take that long for him to break the vow that he took so seriously. I guess what bothers me most is in both of these situations it is John-Paul who takes the blame when he was the one who tried to do the right thing.
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Post by calaeb on Apr 17, 2008 17:07:55 GMT -5
I agree with the Spike comment. I mean, I liked the McDean story line and all. I just got so irritated by the actor needing to reassert his hetero-ness [and disgust with the intimate portions] in interview after interview. It sort of put a damper on watching. I'm sure it was just me, projecting my own annoyance onto his acting. But, I felt like it cheapened their scenes, knowing he was so uncomfortable with how the plot was unfolding. Just my 2cents though
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Post by superdonkey on Apr 18, 2008 0:32:50 GMT -5
That bothered me too. I didn't know if it was that showing through or that he was just not that good of an actor. The JP/Craig story like seemed very 1 sided to me , because James Sutton sold the illusion for me but the actor playing Craig ( Guy something or other ) didn't.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 18, 2008 0:37:25 GMT -5
You know, for this reason I kinda of hope that Thore (Christian from VL) never EVER gives an interview. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe he actually is the coolest guy ever. Maybe he is amazingly eloquent. But I'm way too worried that he might not be and sour my enjoyment of the storyline.
It's okay for an actor to not enjoy himself, but then please, just keep your mouth shut.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 18, 2008 1:30:09 GMT -5
You know, for this reason I kinda of hope that Thore (Christian from VL) never EVER gives an interview. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe he actually is the coolest guy ever. Maybe he is amazingly eloquent. But I'm way too worried that he might not be and sour my enjoyment of the storyline. It's okay for an actor to not enjoy himself, but then please, just keep your mouth shut. Thore could have no problem with it. I mean, Igor & Matthew Rhys don't seem to have issues playing gay or doing physically intimate scenes with another man from the interviews I've read. There are a few other actors I've come across who play or have played gay roles that have no problem doing intimate scenes with another man. It's all about being secure in yourself IMO & being professional. I have to admit I love McDean but I truly wish I hadn't read and watched some interviews with GB because he was so obvious in his distaste for the intimate McDean scenes, that even though I didn't see it when I watched the JP/C clips, knowing how GB really felt tarnished it some for me. I guess IMO, he didn't have to be totally comfortable kissing another man but he should have been more professional about it as his interviews tended to convey his discomfort/distaste over the intimate scenes in a manner that was not cool though when he talked about the character's feelings or how he saw Craig, he was was really insightful. *shrugs*
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 18, 2008 1:34:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope by now German actors and actors in general have gotten smarter about that. The actors who played Ulli and Tom on VL 8 years ago also gave some of those distate interviews. By now I hope that even if somebody feels distaste they are kind enough to shut up about it. It's not just impolite to the fans, but they are supposed to be promoting their show, their storyline, their characters. If somebody reads the interview and reads how the actor himself is grossed out, why would they want to start watching? I mean, where would soaps be if soap actors constantly complained about how grossed out they are that they have to kiss people they aren't married to?
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Post by babylondancer on Apr 18, 2008 3:50:05 GMT -5
And we should never forget that one actor who compared kissing another man to kissing a dog.
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Post by g73t on Apr 18, 2008 5:56:41 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly .... that is the reason why I never liked the McDean love story much... because of the knowledge that GB was more then uncomfortable kissing other man .... he made it so obvious in every interview .... so every time I saw him kissing JP/James ... I was thinking about what perhaps he was doing after the cut ... and believe me I have quite wild imagination .... so it was quite difficult for me to enjoy the SL ....... so, this is also one of the reasons why I don't want see the SE .... well I really like the JP/Kieron SL now .... so that is the other reason
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Post by painfullystoic on Apr 26, 2008 12:37:27 GMT -5
I hated JohnPaul/Craig... Craig was over-bearing, manipulative, selfish and a total jackass, both to Sarah and to John Paul... and if anyone should be done away with, I think it should be him... I was so happy when he left... he was an asshole. I hate the way he played John Paul. I loved Spike with John Paul, Spike was good to him and although I wish they would have brought him back from John Paul, I love Kieron, so I couldn't do that to him... But I really hope Spike comes back as a friend to John Paul... he and Kris would be adorable together, the loud mouthed queen and the intelligent, intuitive Disc Jockey... Kris and Spike are both Jockey's it'd be so cute... *'squee's like the fan-girl that she is*
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Post by ysatis on May 4, 2008 6:48:07 GMT -5
I loved Mcdean. Both Craig and JP were wrong to do what they did but their relationship was so passionate that right or wrong it didn't matter. IMO the story line was the most interresting before JP's coming out. craig's best friend dating Sarah best mate, it was perfect in the beginning then everything started going haywire because of JP's feelings. First Hannah feeling rejected by JP. JP hiding his true feelings by telling that he was in fact in love with Sarah, which led to Craig and Sarah first breakup then Hannah calling Sarah every names in the book... It was great.
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Post by painfullystoic on May 4, 2008 10:16:35 GMT -5
how was it passionate?
it was craig TAKING TAKING TAKING, John Paul GIVING GIVING GIVING and sarah GIVING GIVING GIVING... till the whole lie came out. It wasn't passionate because even though it was only about sex, the only person who was actually even remotely HAPPY was Craig, and isn't that what sex does, reduces stress, not increase it? especially if it was passionate?
I would still say Kieron/John Paul are more passionate, because for them its like all these feeling culminate and then when they do end up kissing/sleeping together its like the cup overflowed or the dam burst or the tide breaks, there is passion.
with Craig, it was like ughh... not to mention the actor was awful and made it look really gross and it came off looking like a straight man acting as a gay man (which is what it essentially was, but James Sutton did such a fabulous job, and so did Jake Hendriks). Oh... and Jake Hendriks is so pretty... ::drools(no, not really)::
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Post by g73t on May 4, 2008 11:19:35 GMT -5
how was it passionate? it was craig TAKING TAKING TAKING, John Paul GIVING GIVING GIVING and sarah GIVING GIVING GIVING... till the whole lie came out. It wasn't passionate because even though it was only about sex, the only person who was actually even remotely HAPPY was Craig, and isn't that what sex does, reduces stress, not increase it? especially if it was passionate? I would still say Kieron/John Paul are more passionate, because for them its like all these feeling culminate and then when they do end up kissing/sleeping together its like the cup overflowed or the dam burst or the tide breaks, there is passion. with Craig, it was like ughh... not to mention the actor was awful and made it look really gross and it came off looking like a straight man acting as a gay man (which is what it essentially was, but James Sutton did such a fabulous job, and so did Jake Hendriks). Oh... and Jake Hendriks is so pretty... ::drools(no, not really):: completely agree with you ;D
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Post by ysatis on May 4, 2008 15:57:18 GMT -5
I don't think that JP was a victim, they were both utterly wrong. McDean was passionate because they desperately needed each other no matter what. Craig truly loved JP but he was too afraid to come out, and I can't blame him the way his mother and brother reacted.
About McPriest, I must admit that Jake hendricks is dashing, has the custest smile, gorgeous legs and is doing a good job with the poor material he's getting. Truth be told I have no interest in the McPriest SL, the fact that they are almost never on surely doesn't help.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 5, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -5
I agree with you, painfullystoic. how was it passionate? it was craig TAKING TAKING TAKING, John Paul GIVING GIVING GIVING and sarah GIVING GIVING GIVING... till the whole lie came out. It wasn't passionate because even though it was only about sex, the only person who was actually even remotely HAPPY was Craig, and isn't that what sex does, reduces stress, not increase it? especially if it was passionate?
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 5, 2008 9:39:24 GMT -5
Hmmm - It doesn't matter to me how many times JP and Kieron are on the show, for me to have interest in their current storyline about their mutual love affair with each other. Yet, I do think that's a subject that should be discussed on their thread. ;D About McPriest, I must admit that Jake hendricks is dashing, has the custest smile, gorgeous legs and is doing a good job with the poor material he's getting. Truth be told I have no interest in the McPriest SL, the fact that they are almost never on surely doesn't help.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 12, 2008 14:08:02 GMT -5
Moved from Kieron Hobbs thread.Harmonium, I've never really disliked Craig. I just really disliked the control and manipulation that he used on John-Paul AND Sarah in order to not be honest with himself. He had many opportunities to end his relationship with Sarah, from the moment that the affair began between him and John-Paul. Yet, he found ways to avoid being honest with his girlfriend and/or begged her to take him back, because being with her was more "acceptable" than being with John-Paul. I understand that he's dealing with a ton of pressure within himself to be the "good and normal" son, but what he did to both Sarah and JP really changed how I viewed him. Especially after he ran off with Sarah to Sante/Zante, while John-Paul chased and screamed his name, while he was escaping in the taxi. I was DONE with him at that point. Done. This discussion probably needs to be in the Craig/John-Paul thread. So I'm going to move it over there. I like Kieron. I think he's very interesting. I love him with John Paul, and I honestly think he's the best thing that ever happened to John Paul. I was SO glad when Craig left, and I loved Spike (he was good to John Paul), but I really really LOVE Kieron. I think he's brilliant! and I completely agree with what he said about God loving all "Christian, Jew, Muslim... so how does it matter if you're Gay or Straight". I love him. Although I think he's a bit of a drama princess with the way he queened out on John Paul when he was leaving. but I did go "awwwwww!".... did I mention that I love him? and NO... I don't see Niall/Kieron Chemistry, and although Niall comes off as otherwise, I think he is in fact written to be straight. I have a hard time seeing Kieron with anyone other than John Paul... but if John Paul continues on his Craig-like attitude towards Kieron I think I might see him with someone nicer... I really disliked Craig. Yes. I never liked Craig. Kieron all the way. But it's so sad that something has to happen to him. *FUMES*
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Post by Bonobochick on May 12, 2008 14:20:58 GMT -5
Moved from Kieron Hobbs thread.Harmonium, I've never really disliked Craig. I just really disliked the control and manipulation that he used on John-Paul AND Sarah in order to not be honest with himself. He had many opportunities to end his relationship with Sarah, from the moment that the affair began between him and John-Paul. Yet, he found ways to avoid being honest with his girlfriend and/or begged her to take him back, because being with her was more "acceptable" than being with John-Paul. I understand that he's dealing with a ton of pressure within himself to be the "good and normal" son, but what he did to both Sarah and JP really changed how I viewed him. Especially after he ran off with Sarah to Sante/Zante, while John-Paul chased and screamed his name, while he was escaping in the taxi. I was DONE with him at that point. Done. This discussion probably needs to be in the Craig/John-Paul thread. So I'm going to move it over there. Yes. I never liked Craig. Kieron all the way. But it's so sad that something has to happen to him. *FUMES* My eye still twitches from remembering JP running after the taxi when Craig & Sarah were leaving for their trip. I love me some JP so seeing that cut right through and I was livid that Craig did that to him. Love McDean but I seriously wanted JP to kick Craig's ass up and down the streets of town for that stunt. I am getting all Scots redhead just thinking about it.
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 19, 2008 12:33:33 GMT -5
Just 'bumping up' this thread, so that posters are aware of it.
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Post by carld2 on May 19, 2008 18:40:43 GMT -5
I still feel kind of sad that some of the negativity heaped on the show, JP, James Sutton, etc. after Craig's departure has soured many of my McDean memories. Looking back at the way the story was strung along those last few months (at the time I didn't care as much because I was looking forward to the revelation), I realize it wasn't all that great, that they gave too few opportunities for the characters to actually talk and get to know each other (which helped make Craig's interest in JP seem even less like genuine feelings and more like a need to control), that I was so thrilled to finally see a male couple being given equal treatment I ignored most of my problems with the story and the characters. I still wish the show had given John Paul and Spike a chance.
Still, they had some great moments, so I will wish them a happy first anniversary. There were some fun, romantic scenes in there occasionally. I don't think they'll be together again, but what they had was groundbreaking.
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Post by woowoo1 on May 20, 2008 20:06:32 GMT -5
I'm a huge John Paul/ James Sutton fan, but no matter how wonderful he is as an actor, I do not feel any chemistry between him and the priest.
James Sutton and Guy BURNET had more chemistry in their few months on screen together then James and Jake have. I miss McDean more then anything and I hope BK is able to get Guy back to finish the storyline properly.
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Post by woowoo1 on May 20, 2008 20:26:33 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly .... that is the reason why I never liked the McDean love story much... because of the knowledge that GB was more then uncomfortable kissing other man .... he made it so obvious in every interview .... so every time I saw him kissing JP/James ... I was thinking about what perhaps he was doing after the cut ... and believe me I have quite wild imagination .... so it was quite difficult for me to enjoy the SL ....... so, this is also one of the reasons why I don't want see the SE .... well I really like the JP/Kieron SL now .... so that is the other reason Just curious...how many interviews with Guy Burnet have you seen/read?? Last time I checked he has only done 3 since McDean started, and he never said he was "more then uncomfortable" kissing another guy. When you play a character for 5 years as a straight guy and then all of a sudden your told he's turning gay, it makes a person nervous. He wanted to stay true to his character which is understandable. He just wanted a good, justifiable SL if it was going to turn his character's life upside down. And as for being his comments on kissing guys...why shouldn't it be difficult?? My gay brother said he'd rather die then kiss a girl. And that make out scene during the engagement party was more graphic then ANY of the other couples' times together. Of course he's going to be nervous about it. And no matter how nervous about it he was, he gave those beautiful love scenes his all. And if you can't see the chemistry and love between John Paul and Craig, I feel sorry for you. I have never seen that much love between two characters before ever...and that was just the love in their eyes. When Craig physically melted into John Paul? That did nothing for you?? It's a shame that the magic of McDean went over so many peoples' heads. And that people couldn't see anything from Craig's point of view. It's been exactly 8 months and McDean is STILL talked about and loved literally all over the world so they must have done something right. I have never fallen in love with a character as much as I love Craig Dean and I can't wait til he comes back for his soul mate.
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Post by GayTime on May 20, 2008 20:45:49 GMT -5
Hey everyone!
Please play nice.. we don't want this turning into 'AnalogueAgent.com', if you catch my drift ;-)!
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Post by woowoo1 on May 21, 2008 1:01:16 GMT -5
I'm playing nice...I just have my own opinion.
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