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Post by nahuela on Feb 6, 2012 13:54:29 GMT -5
Aaaww McDean-times, still remember them as if it was yesterday... my first big crush on a gay-soap-opera-couple lol I think they were really special and I enjoyed every minute of it, watched those episodes like a thousand times. But to be honest, I don´t think I´d fall in love again like that nowadays. Don´t know why, it´s just a feeling. But as they were "my first love" in that regard it will always be a special storyline for me. It took a few years to fill the hole they left behind, because I´ve never found a story which got me that excited until Lucas&Edwin became a couple on GTST, but that´s another, sad story I´m one of those few people who enjoyed the Kieron-stuff and I was devastated when they killed him off, that wasn´t necessary in my opinion. But well, when I learned they planned that in the long run because of Niall it made sense to me. But nevertheless I´m still mad about it ;D
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Post by iritalia on Feb 6, 2012 15:33:33 GMT -5
I didn't dislike Fr. Kieron either but more for the appeal of Jake than the actual storyline although they did have their moments. Mind you at Sunday mass I've yet to come across a priest looking quite as hunky as Kieron. ;D
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Post by candyflossuk on Feb 7, 2012 5:12:49 GMT -5
It's not so much that I hated Kieron because I didn't, he was ok. My problem was more to do with the ridiculousness of the storyline - having JP have an affair with a priest is bad enough but then having him propose whilst not really wanted to get married and still being in love with Craig - isn't that exactly the same mistake that Craig made with Sarah? . That just showed how much JP had regressed as a character in my opinion. Whilst Craig came back all confident, loving and strong, JP was repeating all the same mistakes he'd already made. At least when Craig was in denial mode after they first slept together, he was written in a way where you could still understand him even though he was being an idiot. Whereas with JP, I had no idea what was going on in his head and imo, neither did James! He looked really fed up towards the end. It's sad to see lots of people on JPC vids now commenting on how like Brendan Craig is. Someone even said they probably based Brendan's character on Craig . I felt a bit insulted for Guy after reading that actually because he was always brilliant at showing Craig's emotional turmoil even when he was being a manipulative b@stard. HO had something really special with these two and it will always be my favourite (closely followed by early-chrolli ).
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Post by alex20 on Feb 7, 2012 22:48:16 GMT -5
First of all, Brendan is nothing like Craig. Not at all. Shocks me that people even try to put these two in a sentence together. ITA agree with you on JP's storyline with Kieron, candyflossuk. It was like he learned nothing from his relationship with Craig. It's was all about the forbidden love, about the scandal behind their feelings for each other - all over again. JP had the chance to grow after he left Craig at the airport ... but he didn't. Instead this entire story with Kieron made me ask myself over and over again "why the hell didn't you go with Craig then?". For me it made no sense. Also I had nothing against Kieron. It was just the story that was beyond stupid. It damaged JP's character a lot! Anyway, after the sunset ending in 2008, I've been waiting for a story that moves me again like John Paul and Craig have. Didn't happen. Their story just had it all like no one after. The emotions we saw were amazing. And the chemistry between James and Guy was outstanding and except for Dennis (Roman) and Igor (Deniz) from "AWZ" (where the story was partly awful) never appeared among the other gay storylines again.
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Post by iritalia on Feb 9, 2012 12:48:51 GMT -5
Anyway, after the sunset ending in 2008, I've been waiting for a story that moves me again like John Paul and Craig have. Didn't happen. Not even Flaco and Lalo or especially Chrolli and Fer and David? I get were you are coming from re: McDean but I have had many smiles and shed plenty of tears over these.
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Post by blkmo on Feb 10, 2012 4:10:09 GMT -5
I think Flaco & Lalo had the best story line. Neither one of the characters held back, their chemistry was fantastic. Best love scenes ever!
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Post by candyflossuk on Feb 10, 2012 9:57:40 GMT -5
For me personally, they were the first gay couple that I ever fell in love with and they totally changed my perception of gay people (unfotunately, my family are very religous and always taught me how 'wrong' being gay was : . Th fact that they were the first couple I ever really loved probably makes me completely bias but in my opinion they are still the best. We've never had a better gay couple on UK soaps anyway. Ok, technically 'Stendan' have more passion and chemistry in their love scenes but James and Guy had chemistry just by being n the same room. They had a lot of 'eye sex' as we used to call it back then . As we've already discussed, it got a bit ridiculous towards the end but certainly the late 2006/early 2007 part of their storyline was outstanding. It still saddens me that James didn't win more awards for his portrayal of JP during that time. He was amazing, which is why the destruction of JP's character during 'McPriest'( : bothered me so much. I am a fan of chrolli but still prefer Mcdean....
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Post by alex20 on Feb 10, 2012 16:42:13 GMT -5
I'd say Flaco and Lalo come in second but still I wouldn't compare them to McDean. There story seems so different on so many levels. Don't get me wrong, it's a brilliant story that got my attention ... but when McDean was on I was really obsessed with them, watched clips multiple times and was totally moved by the emotions James and Guy brought to our screens. Maybe it was the fact that I was close to their age when the story happened and could relate to some of this. But yea, not one other gay storyline had such an impact on me as McDean. ;D Fer and David were good too, but they come not even close IMO when it comes to the heart and soul that were McDean. And Chrolli is just one sad story for me. Honestly, before the writers have nothing for them in months and when they do have a storyline it's s**t ... I rather wish they would get a sunset ending instead of this nonsense. I think my love for them died completely when Christian had the thing with Theresa. No overall, Chrolli has way too many errors along the way to even have thought of them. Although "VL" is the only soap I watch religiously for years.
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Post by Duskysoda on May 2, 2012 22:52:55 GMT -5
are Jp and Craig ever referenced on the current Hollyoaks?
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Post by Isabella on May 3, 2012 11:08:26 GMT -5
are Jp and Craig ever referenced on the current Hollyoaks? Yes, they have! Bart once asked Carmel if she knew JP was gay before he came out. Another time, Carmel mentions them, saying something akin to, "Our JP and his Craig, they went through hell, but love won in the end". The first part is right, but I can't remember for the life of me what the last part of the sentence was . Those are the few I can think of.
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Post by Duskysoda on May 4, 2012 21:40:46 GMT -5
Thanks so much,, I wondered about that
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Post by mandalai on May 12, 2012 7:15:33 GMT -5
I've never written in this topic because I had never watched McDean before (shame on me!) but I want to say I have watched the story in 2 days and I loved every second of it! McDean will be encarved in my heart forever! they were cute, sweet, amazing, heartbreaking, they were everything I want to see in a gaylovestory and I totally loved the sunset ending! Kieron/JP was boring as hell, I can rewatched the entire sl and skip that one because I agree, JP was totally out of character. I guess they had to give JP something to do but, frankly, I found the priest SL quite annoying. Anyway, when Craig came back I was totally breathless the minute his eyes crossed JP's. And the happy ending... no words!
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Post by kevvoi on May 23, 2012 7:12:13 GMT -5
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Post by Duskysoda on Jun 1, 2012 11:36:02 GMT -5
James Sutton should return to HO
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Post by candyflossuk on Oct 13, 2012 8:29:57 GMT -5
Just wondered if there were any JP/Craig fans still around (I feel like the only one left!) and what your opinion is of John Paul's return. What reason do you think they will give for JP returning minus Craig? An affair? That they drifted apart? A long distance relationship? (unlikely but it might happen!). I'm not looking forward to this at all but interested to hear John Paul's reasons for returning.
Even if he and Craig have split, presumably he still had a life in Dublin? Mates and a good job....so it seems a massive step back to return to the village where only his mum and sister are left. All of his friends have moved on ages ago and even most of his siblings aren't around any more.
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Post by anthonyl on Oct 13, 2012 8:58:48 GMT -5
I assume he and Craig will have split as JP has to move on to new romances. Maybe JP got tired of Craig being sort of kind of in the closet and walked. I think some crisis with his family will bring him back.
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Post by candyflossuk on Oct 13, 2012 9:23:42 GMT -5
I assume he and Craig will have split as JP has to move on to new romances. Maybe JP got tired of Craig being sort of kind of in the closet and walked. I think some crisis with his family will bring him back. His family have had crisis after crisis since JP left and he never returned. Not even for funerals, weddings, court appearances. I'll be interested to see what crisis it is that finally brings him back . I wonder if maybe Myra and his sisters will be angry at him for staying a way for so long despite everything they were going through? I always saw JP as someone who wanted to get away from his crazy family, travel the world...this is regardless of whether he was still with Craig or not. Even when he was drinking a lot and not coping apparently, Craig referred to him as 'Superstar DJ'. I always imagined him travelling around all the clubs being a sexy star DJ. I think it's quite sad for me, as a fan of JP, to think of him running back home to mum. So, I hope JP still has that drive and ambition. I'm quite depressed at the idea of him wanting to be holed up at the Mcqueens forever. He deserves more than that. Oh Craig wasn't in the closet anymore. He kissed John Paul at the train station before they left.
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Post by Zathras on Oct 13, 2012 9:41:07 GMT -5
You're not the only JP/Craig fan around, candyflossuk . I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about the reasons he might return. I probably won't be satisfied with whatever they come up with, regardless of what it is . In the early days, JP just wanted to get the hell out of the village and go somewhere, although he ended up sticking around for a year after Craig left, anyway, and just went to HCC. So what's changed to bring him back home for the foreseeable future?
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Post by candyflossuk on Oct 13, 2012 10:12:02 GMT -5
You're not the only JP/Craig fan around, candyflossuk . I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about the reasons he might return. I probably won't be satisfied with whatever they come up with, regardless of what it is . In the early days, JP just wanted to get the hell out of the village and go somewhere, although he ended up sticking around for a year after Craig left, anyway, and just went to HCC. So what's changed to bring him back home for the foreseeable future? Exactly! I see it as quite a depressing thought anyway, regardless of the Craig factor. I don't want him stuck in rut, as most people in Hollyoaks end up. He was always the one who dreamed of escaping...he did that and he moved on. Now to think of him hanging around the village where so many of his friends have left and moved on, is a sad thought to me. He's my favourite gay character ever. I want better for him than Hollyoaks village and it's constant unhappiness and drama.
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Post by carld2 on Oct 13, 2012 11:35:25 GMT -5
What I would like to see is a return of the John Paul who was around for the first six months or so of his time on the show. He was funny, snappy, a little tough, but still very vulnerable.
When he got together with Craig, his character became the other man, with very little personality or purpose. He started crying, and it seemed like he rarely stopped, other than the few times he was angry and wanted revenge. Relationships that had once been interesting, like his bond with Jacqui, were forgotten. The last year without Craig, James Sutton just seemed to be counting down his contract, with very little effort put into the scenes. The character became nothing more than an excuse for another "shocking" gay sex scandal, until that slapped together reunion with Craig over poor Kieron's corpse.
Can we have an interesting and complex, tough-but-funny gay character on Hollyoaks? If the gurning lunatic, his punching bag, Doug, and George are any indication, apparently not. But I hope this changes.
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Post by candyflossuk on Oct 13, 2012 11:55:11 GMT -5
What I would like to see is a return of the John Paul who was around for the first six months or so of his time on the show. He was funny, snappy, a little tough, but still very vulnerable. When he got together with Craig, his character became the other man, with very little personality or purpose. He started crying, and it seemed like he rarely stopped, other than the few times he was angry and wanted revenge. Relationships that had once been interesting, like his bond with Jacqui, were forgotten. The last year without Craig, James Sutton just seemed to be counting down his contract, with very little effort put into the scenes. The character became nothing more than an excuse for another "shocking" gay sex scandal, until that slapped together reunion with Craig over poor Kieron's corpse. Can we have an interesting and complex, tough-but-funny gay character on Hollyoaks? If the gurning lunatic, his punching bag, Doug, and George are any indication, apparently not. But I hope this changes. The part I've bolded, to me, sounds like you are describing the current state of the Doug character! ;D I couldn't diagree more and don't think we will ever agree n this. To me, John Paul was at his best away from Kieron and with Craig. When Craig left he lost a lot of his appeal to me. One of the most awful JP scenes I can remember was him at home, wearing oven gloves cooking ready meals for Kieron. . James seemed utterly fed up by this point too. I want the original John Paul back. The stubborn, stroppy, aloof, slightly sarcastic guy, who wore his heart on his sleeve and fell hopeless in love with his best friend. That is the John Paul I adored and that is the way I like to remember him. I tend to block the priest storyline from my memory because I found it so awful. But whatever, I know I'm in the minority with his opinion, particularly on this board. I can only hope his return turns out well for him. I wish James success but I don't think Hollyoaks again, is the way to go about it.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Oct 13, 2012 12:12:50 GMT -5
Well, James NOR Brian Kirkwood NOR Chris Wood NOR Hollyoaks NOR the departed Emma Smithwick share that opinion. ;D I'm glad that James worked with all of the folks listed above about his and JP's return to the show and Chester. As JP, will always be a McQueen, he will always be able to come home. Which, I don't see as a negative, horrible, regressive thing for him to do, because it screws up with the fantasy of the SE. As AfterElton has shown and decades of fans have proven: OTP'ings never end or die, there's always fan fiction. ;D
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Post by candyflossuk on Oct 13, 2012 13:07:07 GMT -5
Well, James NOR Brian Kirkwood NOR Chris Wood NOR Hollyoaks NOR the departed Emma Smithwick share that opinion. ;D Well obviously or he wouldn't be returning would he.... My concern is not just from the point of view of a Mcdean fan but as a James fan too. I've always loved JP first and foremost. I don't care if no believes that and sees me just coming at this from the point of view that I don't want the SE to be ruined. It's true anyway. I don't often refer to him as my 'beloved John Paul' for no reason. ;D I genuinely see this as a risk because I've seen great characters ruined by returns. It's often hard to recreate that same popularity around the character that said character had in their original era. Even if Craig was returning with JP I'd still have reservations. I just don't want this going wrong for John Paul or JS.
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Post by carld2 on Oct 13, 2012 14:30:39 GMT -5
What I would like to see is a return of the John Paul who was around for the first six months or so of his time on the show. He was funny, snappy, a little tough, but still very vulnerable. When he got together with Craig, his character became the other man, with very little personality or purpose. He started crying, and it seemed like he rarely stopped, other than the few times he was angry and wanted revenge. Relationships that had once been interesting, like his bond with Jacqui, were forgotten. The last year without Craig, James Sutton just seemed to be counting down his contract, with very little effort put into the scenes. The character became nothing more than an excuse for another "shocking" gay sex scandal, until that slapped together reunion with Craig over poor Kieron's corpse. Can we have an interesting and complex, tough-but-funny gay character on Hollyoaks? If the gurning lunatic, his punching bag, Doug, and George are any indication, apparently not. But I hope this changes. The part I've bolded, to me, sounds like you are describing the current state of the Doug character! ;D I couldn't diagree more and don't think we will ever agree n this. To me, John Paul was at his best away from Kieron and with Craig. When Craig left he lost a lot of his appeal to me. One of the most awful JP scenes I can remember was him at home, wearing oven gloves cooking ready meals for Kieron. . James seemed utterly fed up by this point too. I just thought the character just became too weak to invest in, which I think hurt him after Craig left, because there was no longer anything to John Paul, beyond waiting for a love interest. They tried a little, when he became friends with Kris and Katy, but that was about it. I remember what a hate figure Spike was, but I actually liked Spike and I liked him with John Paul. I wish the show had done more with their relationship. Maybe not keep them together, but keep him around. I thought Guy Burnet and James Sutton had wonderful chemistry. It was the writing which bothered me. I kept wondering why I was supposed to want Craig to be happy with anyone. I liked Kieron. I didn't like him with John Paul. I don't think the McPriest story was any good, as most of the big moments were rushed - they fell in love offcamera, they became friends offcamera, everything. I will always be grateful to whoever it was who spoiled the whole damn story about five minutes after the casting was announced, because that way I always knew to expect the brutal ending for Kieron, which was a huge, huge writing mistake, and one which the show had very little emotional depth in handling. I will never understand who decided THAT was the best way to have a happy ending for John Paul and Craig. I remember the scene where John Paul went to buy some beer in his pants, on a dare, and thinking it was just kind of weird and OOC. That really summed up where the character had gone. They should have waited until Emmett Scanlan finally left to announce this news. I think a lot of people may hate John Paul if he's seen as any big threat to the Ste/Brendan chokehold (no pun intended) of airtime in the show's gay stories.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Oct 13, 2012 15:36:54 GMT -5
"They" can hate JP/james all they want. James' grown used to it, since the year before he left HOL and when he choose to NOT do Hollyoaks Later with Guy back in 2008.
It's still not going to stop Emmett from leaving the show.
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