elomelo
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Post by elomelo on Jan 29, 2012 6:58:26 GMT -5
They're (almost) definitely going to have a happy ending unless they want to seriously piss off a good chunk of their fanbase. With Krystof Hadek leaving + what Damon Gameau has said in his interview, the couple will be leaving together and on a good note. If they were to stay on the show, there would need to be drama and problems to keep things interesting so now they can have a natural happy ending. And they deserve it after everything they've been through! The Selena thing will probably be the finally wrench in the gears but things will (hopefully) end smoothly. Judging from the interviews...Selena just seems like a once-loved friend who has now become an unwanted house guest and a reminder of a reckless past Geoff wants to forget. I don't know if she wants to break them (and why would she unless there is some other ulterior motive not revealed to us) but she does seem like to shake things up so I guess we'll see how that unfolds. Let's hope Pavel's welcome nature and earnestness towards Geoff's friends guilt-trips her into not wrecking everything. Or maybe that's just me being optimistic..
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Post by vidamirador on Jan 29, 2012 18:08:42 GMT -5
So still no Pavel in this episode (well no visual anyway!)... Here's the lowdown until the ep is posted!
Yay Pavel's voice on the phone! He calls Geoff's phone and Selena answers it- and Pavel says that he's coming back the next morning and needs to be collected at the airport- not the best person to leave a message with...
Selena does a shift at the restaurant and steals some money.. she denies this when Geoff asks her about it.
Then at the end of the episode she tries to kiss him, he brushes her off and then big revelation.. "I am your wife after all"
Lots of cute Geoff encouraging Philip in between all that.
Best part though- Geoff-Pavel kiss in the preview for next week-yay!!
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Post by Isabella on Jan 29, 2012 18:31:05 GMT -5
So still no Pavel in this episode (well no visual anyway!)... Here's the lowdown until the ep is posted! Yay Pavel's voice on the phone! He calls Geoff's phone and Selena answers it- and Pavel says that he's coming back the next morning and needs to be collected at the airport- not the best person to leave a message with...
Selena does a shift at the restaurant and steals some money.. she denies this when Geoff asks her about it.
Then at the end of the episode she tries to kiss him, he brushes her off and then big revelation.. "I am your wife after all"
Lots of cute Geoff encouraging Philip in between all that.
Best part though- Geoff-Pavel kiss in the preview for next week-yay!!
OMG YAY!!! I can't wait for the preview! Does it look good, and do you actually see it this time instead of just the back of Geoff's head? LOL
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Post by vidamirador on Jan 29, 2012 18:49:50 GMT -5
Well it wasn't just the back of a head but it wasn't the most passionate of kisses! was cute though, and anything is good after a drought of 4 episodes!
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Post by rosemonday on Jan 29, 2012 19:09:40 GMT -5
Thankyou, vidamirador! Finally, it sounds like we're getting to the good stuff... But oh, Geoff, you should have just told Pavel at the start. He would've understood!
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Post by Isabella on Jan 29, 2012 19:11:55 GMT -5
Well it wasn't just the back of a head but it wasn't the most passionate of kisses! was cute though, and anything is good after a drought of 4 episodes! That's okay as long as it's visible! LOL
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Post by rtgtx on Jan 29, 2012 21:43:02 GMT -5
rtgtx, thanks so much (I'm in Canada and waiting anxiously for someone to upload it) but when I click your link, it says that it's private...? I'm very sorry. I made a mistake. That video has been cut short by my mistake. I'm re-uploading it. You'll have to wait another hour. Very sorry about that.
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elomelo
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Post by elomelo on Jan 29, 2012 22:08:44 GMT -5
Oh, don't worry about it -- it's so nice of you to upload it in the first place. A little wait won't hurt.
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Post by rtgtx on Jan 29, 2012 22:52:42 GMT -5
Ok. Here is the link.
Part 4
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Post by Isabella on Jan 29, 2012 23:23:56 GMT -5
Ok. Here is the link. Part 4 OMG EEEEEEE @?#$@%?@! K, that kiss in the promo was precious. Not a humdinger by any means but so adorable :3. Selina is the fakest bitch and she really annoys me. Why on Earth does she think trying to kiss gay, TAKEN Geoff, who clearly has no issues with Pavel or his sexuality, is a good idea? The whole wife thing is a bit weird but I figured she had something on him. Phillip is too sweet and I love his interaction with Geoff (although I have no idea why people think there is a possibility they'll hook up... I see no sexual tension or interest all. Besides, Philip clearly likes Jojo!) Even though I hate Selina, I can't wait until she and Pavel meet in the flesh and they finally interact. I want to see how he handles her. Given the gentle soul he is, he will not be territorial or even suspicious of her initially, but he is perceptive so I think he'll catch on sooner rather than later, unless Geoff tells him straight up. CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK!
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Post by elomelo on Jan 30, 2012 5:31:21 GMT -5
rtgtx: Thank you so much!!! I try not to abuse the exclamation point too much but I really do appreciate it! This is probably going to be too long and ranty but I have so many feelings~ about this episode... I loved big brother/mentor Geoff working with and looking out for Phillip. The “grasshoppa” comment was adorable as is everything Phillip does in reaction to the praise and encouragement. (Poor Phillip though, Jojo’s coldness towards him made me hurt for him. He’s the sweetest thing.) And phew, I’m glad Geoff knows about Phillip’s homelessness and is helping him out in his own way – I would’ve been worried if Geoff didn’t catch on. It’s really a sign of how far Geoff has come to see him angry but still level-headed and not venting it the wrong people. He doesn’t yell at Jojo but tells her he’s disappointed and that he cares for her but she needs to pull herself out of this downward spiral unless she wants to lose everything she’s worked for. (Anyone who watches the show beyond the Geoff and Pavel storyline: are things getting better or worse for Jojo?) He doesn’t yell at Selina either but is clearly bewildered by her attitude – like the rest of us, I’m sure. I’m glad he (partially) caught onto her scheming ways and isn’t letting her off the hook. It would’ve been frustrating if Geoff was clueless to Selina’s ulterior motives and everyone else would be trying to convince him that she’s no good (the reverse of that scenario as it’s playing out now is quite interesting). Oh, Selina, she’s an interesting one. Do I smell kleptomania or...? I mean, stealing from Geoff when you’re low on funds is one thing but stealing 100 euro (a noticeable chunk of cash) from the restaurant you could potentially be working at is a stupid move, especially when you’re already under suspicion. Or it might just be her confident in the fact that she can get away with it. Hearing Pavel’s voice on the phone – ;D yay, finally! He’s coming back! But grr Selina, what is she doing? She acted like she didn’t know if Geoff had left his phone at home but clearly told Pavel her name when she pretended to take a message – I’m putting her reckless “plans” down to holding something so huge over Geoff’s head and feeling like whatever she does, there will be no real consequences. “My life with Pavel and Raw and everything – it’s been the best it’s been in a long time” I loved this statement but oh Selina’s face, she was definitely not pleased. “You’re not going to tell Pavel anything are you?”/significant pause/ “Of course not.” And when has that ever worked out? I can clearly hear the unsaid “—unless I need to.” Urgh, Geoff, I’m sure Pavel would understand if it was an immigration thing. I’m wondering... Selina knows Geoff is gay and secure in his sexuality and in a committed relationship. Why pursue someone so clearly unavailable and why wait seven years before dropping in on their lives? I understand if she assumed that Geoff would be the same one-night-stand-only friend of hers with a space in his life she could easily fit into and be secure, and therefore safe from whatever she’s running from but the physical attraction bit? Why act on it when you know there’s no chance he’s interested in you? For all her manipulation and calculations, Selina is clearly interested in Geoff the way as shown to us by that kiss she almost steals when he’s half-asleep on the couch. The preview: Pavel! Geoff missed him! And they kissed! THEY’RE BEYOND ADORABLE and ack, actual affection /falls over/ And bless, Pavel is so open to getting to know Selina and hear her stories about Geoff. Being the “angel” that she is, I bet these stories are going to be lurid play-by-plays of Geoff’s various escapades and other things to put doubt in Pavel’s head or just hurt him. Am I the only one feeling a strong protective urge towards Pavel or?
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Post by tubedout on Jan 30, 2012 13:41:54 GMT -5
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Post by rosemonday on Jan 30, 2012 19:45:08 GMT -5
I’m wondering... Selina knows Geoff is gay and secure in his sexuality and in a committed relationship. Why pursue someone so clearly unavailable and why wait seven years before dropping in on their lives? I understand if she assumed that Geoff would be the same one-night-stand-only friend of hers with a space in his life she could easily fit into and be secure, and therefore safe from whatever she’s running from but the physical attraction bit? Why act on it when you know there’s no chance he’s interested in you? For all her manipulation and calculations, Selina is clearly interested in Geoff the way as shown to us by that kiss she almost steals when he’s half-asleep on the couch. I'm struggling too with why Geoff & Selena would have basically had no contact in SEVEN years when they were such good friends back in London. They would at least have emailed, phoned etc, I would have thought. Unless there's yet something else going on, it all feels a bit plot devicey to me. Selena, imho, is completely self-absorbed and a born manipulator. Yes, she's been very bold in doing bad things (taking the money, not passing on the message) that Geoff will obviously find out about, but as you say elomelo, she believes she holds him in the palm of her hand, because of their "secret". And so far it's worked, Geoff has caved. I hope, though, once she starts getting at Pavel, that his protective instincts kick in and he puts an end to her nonsense. The only cure for this affliction is fresh air, and once Pavel knows, she's lost all her power. I hope Geoff sees this, and quickly, though I'm at a loss as to why he wouldn't just have told Pavel ages ago. Maybe he just put it off and put it off and then felt he'd left it too late. Yes, she expected their relationship to be just as it was before, but of course Geoff has grown up and she hasn't. When she came to Dublin she expected the scenario you outlined above, that she could fit back into his wild & entertaining life as his bestie mate again and feel safe and protected and to an extent insulated from the harsh realities of life (especially whatever trouble she's gotten herself into). As for trying it on with him - yes, she knows that he's gay and in a committed relationship, but that would hardly stop her. That she fancies him like mad is obvious (can't blame her there!) She's already told Geoff she fell in love with him back then and he seemed unsurprised, but maybe he thought it was in more of a friendship way. I'm actually quite confused about what the parameters of their past relationship were, now, and hope we find out more soon. Most of it's been from her perspective, and therefore skewed, self-serving and probably inaccurate. She's clearly a bit unstable, and obsessive, and I'm sure she believes if she just tries hard enough she can get him to come around to her way of thinking. Because ultimately it's all about Selena, and what SHE wants. And, of course, "I am your WIFE, after all!" Sorry my post turned into a bit of a Selena-centric essay!
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Post by Isabella on Jan 30, 2012 20:26:08 GMT -5
I don't really know how he could think "I fell in love with you" (excuse me for paraphrasing) was meant in a friendly way. You can say, "I love you" to a friend, no big deal, but "I'm in love with you"? No matter how you look at it, it has a romantic connotation. There's a difference between loving someone and being IN love with them. I think Geoff brushed it off because he figured Selina understood (also clearly overestimated her intelligence) that he is gay and will never be interested in her. Not to mention the fact that he is in a stable relationship, which he has never had before. Selina doesn't love Geoff; she probably just doesn't have any friends because they know she's a crazy bitch, not to mention the fact that she doesn't work, and hasn't even seen Geoff in 7 years! This girl is a moron. I find it baffling that someone as sharp as Geoff would ever be friends with such a dunce.
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Post by rosemonday on Jan 30, 2012 22:32:20 GMT -5
I know. She giggles like a loon, for starters. Even in his "wild" days I wouldn't have thought he'd suffer fools lightly. Tanya and Mal, his other friends from London days, were certainly way saner. I hope we get a good explaination for all this. She made it kind of sound like they'd slept together before, but I find it so hard to believe that Geoff would have lied to Pavel that night in the Czech bar. He was having a rare moment of total honesty - wasn't he?
I'm very surprised that he didn't recoil in horror when she said she'd fallen in love with him. If he knew that already, back when they first decided on the marriage of convenience (assuming that's what it was), then Geoff was the bigger fool - to have known, and still gone through with it.
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Post by Isabella on Jan 30, 2012 23:00:41 GMT -5
I know. She giggles like a loon, for starters. Even in his "wild" days I wouldn't have thought he'd suffer fools lightly. Tanya and Mal, his other friends from London days, were certainly way saner. I hope we get a good explaination for all this. She made it kind of sound like they'd slept together before, but I find it so hard to believe that Geoff would have lied to Pavel that night in the Czech bar. He was having a rare moment of total honesty - wasn't he? I'm very surprised that he didn't recoil in horror when she said she'd fallen in love with him. If he knew that already, back when they first decided on the marriage of convenience (assuming that's what it was), then Geoff was the bigger fool - to have known, and still gone through with it. Maybe Selina was the girl Geoff was taking about when he mentioned his "mechanical failure". Or maybe they were drunk and he doesn't consider it important. Even though Geoff appeared very happy to see Selina at first, I think the reason he never mentioned her is because he has left that part of his life go and really has no interest in reliving those days. I don't think he lied to Pavel. It seems to me that he might have a shady past and doesn't want Pavel to find out because he's afraid he might lose him as a result. Of course, that's bollocks because even if Pavel was upset about it, he's an understanding person and he'll listen to what Geoff has to say. Selina is a disgusting bitch and she really needs to go. I want Pavel and her to get into a bitch fight over Geoff, and for Pavel to go all Easy A on her and be like, "He'll choose me over you in a second and you know why? I have a P where you have a V!" That's really all that needs to be said.
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Post by cheerios on Jan 31, 2012 3:30:37 GMT -5
Pavel is a loving, giving, and forgiving person who is deeply head over heels in love with Geoff. I don't think there is much that Pavel would ever leave or stop loving Geoff. I'm sure he will be angry about the wife thing, but I don't see it destroying them.
I think even if Geoff did something illegal where there is an outstanding warrant for him or something. Pavel would still love him and still want to be his man. And that's really all Geoff seems to care about. So once Pavel knows, all the power that Selena thinks she has, goes poof out the window.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 4:48:05 GMT -5
rosemonday: You're right, she's clearly thinking only about herself here but she is so incredibly creepy! She just worms her way into everything, charming and manipulating (which would be somewhat admirable if she wasn't the biggest creepster ever) and trying to secure a place in Geoff's life. As Isabella said, maybe she was the "technical failure" girl or a beard or friend who didn't let go but either way her motives as guided by her feelings are totally irrational at this point but then again, she's not exactly a picture of stability and sense. cheerios: Exactly. If Geoff were to explain the situation to Pavel, though he might be angry at first, he would come to understand. However, if Pavel does propose as has been hinted by the "big life changing offer", that might be bigger problem but I can see Pavel being angrier at the fact that Geoff didn't tell him vs the fact that he's married. I don't know if they're going to squeeze an outstanding warrant into the plot into the last two eps (but who knows? crazier things have been done ) but if Geoff were to come clean to him, I'm sure Pavel would stand by him. We've seen that Pavel values honesty so he'd ultimately be more hurt about being lied to than anything else. And urgh, Selina "befriending" Pavel is such a weird image -- no Pavel run the other way!
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Post by rosemonday on Jan 31, 2012 17:20:29 GMT -5
And urgh, Selina "befriending" Pavel is such a weird image -- no Pavel run the other way! Tell me about it! Bearing down on the oblivious Pavel with a smile on her face and malice in her heart. Coffee with Selena. If I was Geoff I'd be getting VERY nervous about now. Just imagine the poison she'll pour into Pavel's ear - the half-truths and insinuations, the doubts and uncertainties she'll try and plant in his mind. Or maybe she'll just go the short & brutal route and just blurt it out. "Oh!" Shocked and innocent look. "I thought you KNEW!" Can't wait for next episode. FINALLY something's happening !
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Post by cheerios on Jan 31, 2012 19:00:02 GMT -5
If I was Geoff, I would grab Pavel and tell him everything right away.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 19:01:38 GMT -5
And urgh, Selina "befriending" Pavel is such a weird image -- no Pavel run the other way! Tell me about it! Bearing down on the oblivious Pavel with a smile on her face and malice in her heart. Coffee with Selena. If I was Geoff I'd be getting VERY nervous about now. Just imagine the poison she'll pour into Pavel's ear - the half-truths and insinuations, the doubts and uncertainties she'll try and plant in his mind. Or maybe she'll just go the short & brutal route and just blurt it out. "Oh!" Shocked and innocent look. "I thought you KNEW!" Can't wait for next episode. FINALLY something's happening ! Oh, Geoff is definitely going to be on the alert on that front, trying to be in the room when they're with each other at all times. But it's a tricky situation since Pavel would then ask if you don't trust her, why are you letting her stay in our home which would then lead to questioning if she was hiding something. Urgh, she'd probably do a combo of both. Pour lies and half-truths for most of the night, then let slip we're married donchaknow (or some London equivalent thereof ha). I just hope she doesn't try to do something incredibly stupid like make a move on Geoff (despite being very clearly rebuffed), making sure to do when Pavel comes in (he looks shocked in the intro montage so I wonder what that's about). The saddest thing is that Geoff is in that point life where he's open and proud, and if Selina wasn't creepy and had her own selfish agenda, she could be someone who'd bring Pavel full circle to Geoff's life and be a good friend to both of them. But this is a drama so I guess we need a "villain". But yes I am excited about next week as well. Look we'll be getting plot, drama and cute domestic bliss too! cheerios: That would be the right and sensible thing to do (oh Geoff) but I think Geoff is scared of losing what he has and he's probably been meaning to Pavel (which of course is ironic as by not telling him, he digs himself a bigger hole) but keeps putting it off or had no intention of telling Pavel because he and Selina probably agreed never to discuss it. Does anyone know anything about immigration in Ireland? Couldn't have Geoff divorced Selina once he became a permanent citizen or?
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Post by cheerios on Jan 31, 2012 20:06:56 GMT -5
I know Geoff is scared about loosing Pavel. But Pavel will be more upset about the lying than whatever it is that Geoff did. It can't be that bad, considering there are only two episodes left. And this is Geoff we are talking about, I don't seem him doing anything too crazy even in his youth. Plus it can't be that bad, he looked so happy to see Selena when she showed up after no contact for seven years. Maybe it's just the fact that Selena and Geoff are married is the big secret?
Hopefully the boys will end in a good place.
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Post by elomelo on Jan 31, 2012 21:37:52 GMT -5
Oh, I totally agree. I don't think Geoff did anything too crazy. Hopefully the marriage thing is the only ~big secret~ Geoff is keeping from Pavel at this point. Ditto on the happy ending. Since it's most probably their last season on the show, they deserve a nice send-off.
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Post by nryabenko on Feb 4, 2012 21:44:08 GMT -5
When is Raw on?
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Post by cheerios on Feb 5, 2012 0:47:25 GMT -5
Sundays I believe.
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