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Post by psionycx on Oct 1, 2008 18:24:26 GMT -5
I know they were establishing the family conflicts, but they still could have shown them a bit more. Walkers being always in the middle of a crisis it would be quite refreshing to show something else. And I just dislike when they show others agonising endlessly about some stupidity and almost nothing about Kevin and Scotty. Oh, I'd definitely like to see more of them as well. The issue is that agonizing is central to the show's premise (as is Callista Flockhart it often seems) and so we don't get as much as we might want. The other issue is that Kevin is used in relation to the other characters and not just in his own storyline. So right now for example we had the Kevin/Tommy conflict. Kevin is also the brother most commonly relied upon for help by the others (Justin is too unreliable and Tommy is too self-absorbed). So Kevin is usually on disaster cleanup in his siblings', mother's and uncle's lives. That, unfortunately, often excludes Scotty in the same way that Julia is absent from most of Tommy's scenes. It was like the ugly breakfast scene in this last episode. He was there, but how else could he have been used in the scene? In most cases new in-laws generally try to lay low when their new family starts fighting amongst themselves and Scotty appears to be no exception. I also would have liked to see Kevin and Scotty go on a honeymoon but the pace of the storytelling doesn't allow for. Remember that Kitty and Robert had "36 hours" for their's I believe. However, we have been promised some Kevin/Scotty drama this season, so hope is there.
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Post by mizuryuu on Oct 1, 2008 20:59:41 GMT -5
well, its not that there is not enough time for a honeymoon, the writers just do not want to do it... it is a really fast pace, but they could have implied during the episode that Kevin and Scotty already went on their honeymoon, which would be perfectly fine... since it does seem there is at least a slight time shift since the end of last season...
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Post by psionycx on Oct 1, 2008 22:26:19 GMT -5
well, its not that there is not enough time for a honeymoon, the writers just do not want to do it... it is a really fast pace, but they could have implied during the episode that Kevin and Scotty already went on their honeymoon, which would be perfectly fine... since it does seem there is at least a slight time shift since the end of last season... I know, this is something we all complained about, at length, over on the AfterElton boards following last season's finale. That and their irritatingly hasty and under-done wedding. But the impression we were left with was that they weren't going on a honeymoon. They went straight home after the wedding, and Kevin obviously had nothing pressing on his schedule for his wedding night (grinding my teeth) because he had time to run off, grab Sarah and go back to Nora's to discuss this oh-so-urgent Ryan thing (grumble). I'm quite sure the rationale is that neither Kevin nor Scotty could take time off work for something as trivial as a honeymoon. Yes it was a point of annoyance. But we're already diving into season three so it's all water under the bridge at this point. Hopefully things will be more developed in the coming episodes.
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Post by Princess Ollian on Oct 5, 2008 16:50:32 GMT -5
soooo jealous Me too. Still waiting... Get a freeview box guys!! They're only like £30.00 and you will then have E4 and can watch the wonder of B&S only a couple of weeks behind the US!!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 5, 2008 17:00:57 GMT -5
Get a freeview box guys!! They're only like £30.00 and you will then have E4 and can watch the wonder of B&S only a couple of weeks behind the US!! I thought you needed to have cable or digital tv for the box to work? Sky won't install for me here as I'm too surrounded by hills & trees to get the signal - unless I install hundreds of yards of cable and erect the dish in the middle of a field. There is no cable tv in this neck of the woods - so to speak
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Post by Princess Ollian on Oct 5, 2008 17:04:46 GMT -5
Get a freeview box guys!! They're only like £30.00 and you will then have E4 and can watch the wonder of B&S only a couple of weeks behind the US!! I thought you needed to have cable or digital tv for the box to work? Sky won't install for me here as I'm too surrounded by hills & trees to get the signal - unless I install hundreds of yards of cable and erect the dish in the middle of a field. There is no cable tv in this neck of the woods - so to speakNo, a freeview box allows people with a standard analogue aerial to watch digital TV. Seriously get one Sheepie!! Get one tomorrow...!!! So you can watch B&S obviously (see, still on topic... )
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 5, 2008 17:08:42 GMT -5
I thought you needed to have cable or digital tv for the box to work? Sky won't install for me here as I'm too surrounded by hills & trees to get the signal - unless I install hundreds of yards of cable and erect the dish in the middle of a field. There is no cable tv in this neck of the woods - so to speakNo, a freeview box allows people with a standard analogue aerial to watch digital TV. Seriously get one Sheepie!! Get one tomorrow...!!! So you can watch B&S obviously (see, still on topic... ) Hmmm - I will have to investigate this Although it's great to get the K&S clips on YT I really love the whole show - Sally Field is fab.
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Post by louisa on Oct 5, 2008 17:12:04 GMT -5
We have a Freeview box but it still only works when it feels like it. So I have to make do with online catch ups of B&S and wait anxiously for my DVDs to arrive.
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Post by Princess Ollian on Oct 5, 2008 17:44:45 GMT -5
No, a freeview box allows people with a standard analogue aerial to watch digital TV. Seriously get one Sheepie!! Get one tomorrow...!!! So you can watch B&S obviously (see, still on topic... ) Hmmm - I will have to investigate this Although it's great to get the K&S clips on YT I really love the whole show - Sally Field is fab. Yes she is... I am also very impressed with Calista Flockhart in it too. I love her portrayal of Kitty. Oh and I am in love with Robert McCallister - Rob Lowe's character is like the perfect man (99% of the time).
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 5, 2008 18:21:03 GMT -5
Hmmm - I will have to investigate this Although it's great to get the K&S clips on YT I really love the whole show - Sally Field is fab. Yes she is... I am also very impressed with Calista Flockhart in it too. I love her portrayal of Kitty. Love her too Yup - though I really like Jason - no doubt will be utterly flamed by all the Scotty lovers out there now - Pity it didn't work out with Kevin
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Post by Princess Ollian on Oct 5, 2008 18:37:57 GMT -5
Yup - though I really like Jason - no doubt will be utterly flamed by all the Scotty lovers out there now - Pity it didn't work out with Kevin No, preferred Jason to Scotty too. He was faaaaaar prettier and seemed 'more Kevin' to me. But hey, we all have our opinions... Princess has got your back though sheepie...
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Post by psionycx on Oct 5, 2008 22:50:30 GMT -5
Sadly, no Scotty in tonight's Brothers & Sisters, so for those of you that have it on TiVo, don't feel too rushed to watch if what you were hoping for was anything meaningful with Kevin or Scotty.
Invisible Spoilerish Stuff: This episode was actually kind of boring. Everyone getting stirred up over Kitty's book and then deciding it was great at the end was really lame. It felt like they're just trying to fulfill whatever contractual obligations they have regarding screentime for Callista Flockhart and Rob Lowe.
On the character side, everyone was mostly just angry and bitchy today. However, I have to say that I am more revolted than ever by Robert's sanctimoniousness. He goes off on a bit of a tirade at Nora about the Walker family's behavior.
If I recall correctly, his family is a pack of unrestrained Visigoths all but guaranteed to create mayhem at any social gathering. I really have to wonder if the adoption lady's visit would have really been any smoother if some of Robert's drunken, crazy family were there instead of the Walker's.
I've never liked Robert or his brother Jason, pretty though they both may be. They're both rather conceited and self-righteous. While Jason once accused Kevin of thinking the McAllister clan was "beneath you", it has always struck me that Robert and Jason have a very condescending attitude towards the Walkers. And it's not very justified considering what their family is like!
So basically everyone argued today. It was clearly intended as slapstick comedy but it really didn't make it. The attempt to cast Kitty and Robert as pictures of moral rectitude while casting everyone else as over-sensitive crazies kind of made it feel less funny than it could have been.
Meanwhile, Holly is starting to get all Alexis Carrington, which shows considerable promise.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 6, 2008 12:38:35 GMT -5
Ugh, I'm starting to dislike this show now, too bad cause it's used to be one of my faves.. The writing is HORRIBLE, like AWFUL! And all this stuff going on with Rebecca, the de-Walkering and Justin and Rebecca hooking up, it's soooo lame, bad writing not to mention the HUGE retcon! I want more Kevin and Scotty! They have just gotten married, and they get so little screentime? NOT cool! Seriously.. I can't stand Justecca, they make me wanna barf, and THEY get all the screentime? What about Kevin and Scotty? It really isn't fair!
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Post by psionycx on Oct 6, 2008 12:49:15 GMT -5
My guess is that Justin and Rebecca are their attempt to make the show appeal to the under-30 demographic. Pity then that they are such an incredibly boring couple!
For me the big complaint is that it still seems like the lion's share of screen time is going to Kitty and Robert. Everyone else is a supporting character on the Kitty & Robert show. It's not just Kevin and Scotty either. Everyone else is being ignored for the most part and we're only getting little, meaningless snippets in between Kitty and Robert scenes. I thought this was supposed to be an ensemble cast, not two stars and a bunch of supporting actors.
I was rather hoping that with the presidential campaign thing over with we'd be getting away from Callista Flockhart and Rob Lowe dominating the show. Doesn't look like that's going to be the case though sadly.
You would think that with Kevin and Scotty just having gotten married we'd be seeing more of the two of them. It looks like Scotty is going to be a non-character like Julia is. Scotty was present, just a little, in the first episode but was completely absent from this one.
So I have my worries. No TV series ever stays good forever, but I'm worried that this season might see Brothers & Sisters going downhill. Hopefully next week will be better.
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Post by GayTime on Oct 6, 2008 13:18:52 GMT -5
What's with the CONSTANT negativity on this board lately? The producers / writers have made it very clear that Kevin and Scotty will have a very prominent storyline later this season, plus we'll get more on Saul's coming to terms with his sexuality, which I find a very interesting storyline. We are two episodes into the season and already people are calling it quits because Kevin and Scotty don't dominate the show?? Please, a little perspective... :-)
(Oh, and Rebecca and Justin? Yes- I'm already over that storyline, too)
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Post by lolaruns on Oct 6, 2008 13:22:19 GMT -5
Somehow I could never get into B&S as a show. It's weird, because I like soaps, but I don't like those edgy primetime soaps kind of things.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 6, 2008 13:34:36 GMT -5
What's with the CONSTANT negativity on this board lately? The producers / writers have made it very clear that Kevin and Scotty will have a very prominent storyline later this season, plus we'll get more on Saul's coming to terms with his sexuality, which I find a very interesting storyline. We are two episodes into the season and already people are calling it quits because Kevin and Scotty don't dominate the show?? Please, a little perspective... :-) (Oh, and Rebecca and Justin? Yes- I'm already over that storyline, too) Well, my negativity comes from the fact that this show is becoming more and more about Kitty and Robert as time passes. I get that Kitty was a spotlight character right from the beginning. She is, after all, the very first character who appears on screen. But it just seems like as the show has progressed it is becoming more and more about her. The addition of a big name as her romantic interest only made it even more over-bearing. The presidential campaign, her relationship with Robert and their fertility woes ate up a massive chunk of last season and it doesn't look like their dominance is going to be scaled back anytime soon. Last night was essentially all about Kitty and Robert for example. The book was a plot device to get everyone all riled up. But the focus of it was (of course) Kitty. Likewise, Kitty's spat with Sarah over Sarah not appreciating her enough ate up a sizable chunk of the first episode as well. I dearly wish they'd move her and Robert out to DC. But it seems like Flockhart and Lowe must have contracts stipulating that they'll be in 2/3 of every episode! That's why I'm negative!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 6, 2008 17:56:56 GMT -5
What's with the CONSTANT negativity on this board lately? The producers / writers have made it very clear that Kevin and Scotty will have a very prominent storyline later this season, plus we'll get more on Saul's coming to terms with his sexuality, which I find a very interesting storyline. We are two episodes into the season and already people are calling it quits because Kevin and Scotty don't dominate the show?? Please, a little perspective... :-) (Oh, and Rebecca and Justin? Yes- I'm already over that storyline, too) No negativity from me I've always loved the show for all the characters - the fact that there is a gay character was just a bonus. Apart from Rob Lowe, none of the other spouses / partners / one night stands have ever gotten much screentime - expectations that Scotty should demand more because we want the gay couple to be more prominant would only ever lead to being dissapointed (imo) Saul has a gaystoryline and as yet hasn't been featured - yet I hear no-one complaining - is that beacuse no-one cares about a coming-out storyline for an older guy -huh! I don't think this show has really changed much since S1 - more likely people's expectations have changed.
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Post by Princess Ollian on Oct 6, 2008 18:06:36 GMT -5
(Oh, and Rebecca and Justin? Yes- I'm already over that storyline, too) And hands up who didn't see that one coming from the second we met Rebecca...? No one??!!! Thought so... ;D Don't worry GT, I still love it........!!
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Post by ivaniv on Oct 7, 2008 5:47:43 GMT -5
I agree with psionycx, first it was an election drama, then a fertility drama, now an adoption drama, which is a problem for me, because I don't really like either of them. And the writing of this episode was very heavy handed and the resolution lame. At least give me a good story if you don't give me more Scotty and Kevin
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 7, 2008 11:02:34 GMT -5
(Oh, and Rebecca and Justin? Yes- I'm already over that storyline, too) And hands up who didn't see that one coming from the second we met Rebecca...? No one??!!! Thought so... ;D Don't worry GT, I still love it........!! Actually no, we didn't see it coming, cause the writers assured us she was a real Walker in S1! Then the writers changed it in S2, cause of the "chemistry" between the actors Emily and Dave... ABC wanted a younger demographic, and this was the perfect opptorunity to get more tween fangurls into the show! God, this AWFUL, TERRIBLE idea still annoys me.. They ruined the entire show, seriously... Almost all of S1 was about Rebecca fitting into the family, being accepted. I really liked that storyline, it was something different, and I thought the character of Rebecca had much potential, a dark and exciting character.. Then the stupid writers go an do this? They de-Walker Rebecca and make her a mere love interest for Justin? I just think it sucks for Rebecca, cause the character had so much potential! And what happens if they break up? I feel bad for Emily, she's a great actress, and this just undermines her acting abilities, being downgraded from being a part of the family to just a love interest for Justin.. Oh, and the reason I watched this show was because of the family, not some overly-romantic drowel.. I guess the reason I still have a problem with this is because Justin and Rebecca are still siblings in my eyes, so it grosses me out.. I do think they had chemistry, but in a friendly-siblings way.. And the reason why they de-Walkered Rebecca.. cause of chemistry? WTF? Hayden and Milo from Heroes are dating IRL, and Milo is Hayden's uncle on the show, but you don't see those writers undo the family stuff just because they can get together.. Ugh, if it was such a HUGE problem for the writers, why don't ask Emily and Dave to tune it down? They are both great actors, I'm sure they would be able to do that if it was a problem..
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Post by valso on Oct 7, 2008 11:54:31 GMT -5
Well, maybe Kevin & Scotty aren't at the front line right now but I still think B&S is one of the best written show among US tv series. Not every episode is always at top of his score but nobody does family drama (and dynamics) better than the Walkers. I don't particulary like Kitty and the Senator so I'll wait eagerly for the later episodes too.
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Post by darcolover55 on Oct 7, 2008 18:57:30 GMT -5
i don't think that kitty and robert get more ACTUAL screentime but I think if you don't like those characters, any stories devoted to them FEELS like an eternity.
I think each character has had their two or three storylines/episodes when they dominated.
With an ensemble cast that is about siblings, I wouldn't expect the lovers and husbands and wives of the siblings to be the focus. It's not the "scotty and kevin show".
But I do think Scotty and the Senator are about even in terms of screen time overall (Scotty was all up and through season 1 even when Kevin was dating someone else)
i don't actually see kitty getting more screen time and I've watched every episode of the past two seasons (more than i care to admit).
Even though there are characters that i don't care much about (saul just annoys the dickens out of me) I don't mind when the focus shifts to them because the point of the show is that what one person does affects everyone else because they are such a close-knit family.
I think there is some definite hateration going on where Calista Flockhart and Robe Lowe are concerned (that has nothing to do with B&S per se) but folks are going to be negative and there's just nothing one can do about it.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 8, 2008 6:27:46 GMT -5
With an ensemble cast that is about siblings, I wouldn't expect the lovers and husbands and wives of the siblings to be the focus. It's not the "scotty and kevin show". Uhm, OK, so why the hell is Rebecca and Holly getting so much screen time? And why the hell always shoving Justecca on us? I HATE THAT COUPLE! God, I wouldn't mind if Rebecca dropped dead, so Justecca would finally be over! And about the Senator getting less screen time than Scotty, your wrong.. VERY wrong, OK, so maybe he has been in the same number of episodes as Scotty, but he's had a larger chunk of the episodes than Scotty.. MUCH more than what Scotty got.. And Kitty, are you kidding me? It's ALL about her! Come on.. Her getting married with McCallister, the adoption thingy and now writing a book, just to mention some things.. So sorry to say, but I think you're wrong.. They definitely get more screen time than Scotty and Kevin and Scotty together..
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Post by psionycx on Oct 8, 2008 8:29:11 GMT -5
Kitty and Robert virtually dominated Season 2! Believe me, I just got done re-watching it on DVD. Between their relationship, the presidential campaign, dealing with Robert's kids, the pregnancy scare, the wedding and Kitty's subsequent infertility most of the season was either them or scenes relating to them. They even had Kitty officiate at Kevin and Scotty's "wedding", which was bizarre and illogical, since Kevin and Kitty have fought in the past over the fact that she does not support same-sex marriage (this was only a domestic partnership so it was okay). To me that just seemed like an excuse to give Callista Flockhart a little more screentime. Now we're two episodes into Season 3. The main dramatic plot of the first episode was Kitty being pissed at Sarah. The plot of episode two was Kitty and Robert trying to adopt and Kitty dissing the family in her book. Even if Kitty and Robert aren't in a given scene there's a good chance the scene is about them anyway. That was certainly the case on Sunday. It just feels like the rest of the cast is increasingly marginalized, there to support the Kitty and Robert storyline. We see hurried snippets of the other characters, whereas (for example) we have to sit through Kitty and Robert's interview with the social worker. I am not happy with the start this season is off to.
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