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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 22, 2008 15:36:55 GMT -5
Thanks messyme! It makes me grit my teeth how we apparently can't have Kevin and Scotty without Kitty and Robert being involved in some way. But I suppose we should at least be grateful that we're seeing Scotty at all. He's been becoming the new Julia. Your welcome Yeah, I agree... You can see from all my ranting in the previous posts But yeah, Kevin and Scotty DO need more screen time.. It's just that they are my favorite tv couple, so I have too high expectations, and I always end up sad, cause it didn't turn out the way I wanted... Like, where's the honeymoon? Not even a bed scene? Or a proper wedding? They CAN get a proper weeding now, so why don't they? Instead of that horrible ceremony thing at Nora's house.. I do see some progress though, yeah, they are still a huge part of other storylines, like McKitty, but at least Scotty will get a storyline of his own in this episode, having dinner with Kevin and his parents.. That's major, and probably the first real Scotty storyline, so I'm excited for this
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Post by psionycx on Oct 22, 2008 18:25:59 GMT -5
Kevin and Scotty can have a real wedding sometime within the next two weeks or so. After that it's not clear if they'll still be able to given the way the poll numbers over Proposition 8 look. If things go poorly then they may have to move to Norway after New Year's.
It irks me as well that we have yet to see Kevin and Scotty do more than cuddle or kiss with closed mouths. From the look of how early bed death has set into their marriage I'd think they were lesbians (sorry ladies!).
The lack of a honeymoon was less of surprise, since they're both depicted as workaholics. However, it would have been nice for them to at least have a weekend at the beach. Oh, wait, the Walkers crashed that one already.
Well, hopefully the family dinner with Scotty's (oddly young-looking) parents will be interesting.
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Post by darcolover55 on Oct 25, 2008 16:50:48 GMT -5
Jayne Brook is 48 (Bertha Wandell); Michael O'Keefe is 53 (Wally Wandell) Luke McFarland is 28 (Scotty Wandell who's supposed to be in his late twenties) so they could easily be his parents if they got married young.
Particularly since they are very religious, getting married young is the norm.
I would love to see a honeymoon (never too late) but I actually adored the small intimate ceremony at Nora's house.
I thought it was beautiful and very loving and befitting their characters. Neither one of them is the top hat/tails and "release the doves" type.
So many characters on TV get married in the family backyard or whatever, I didn't think it had anything to do with them being gay and it being "only" a commitment ceremony.
To me it was more about Kevin (who's 36 already) wanting to get on with making a life with Scotty and not really caring so much about a huge wedding spectacle (regardless of the legalities).
The shots of their family and friends looking at them so lovingly all with tears in their eyes and all the kids there. I thought it was just so beautiful and I don't think I could have asked for more from a ceremony (if I were the commitment ceremony type of lesbo)
It's funny because folks criticize Scotty's character (and sometimes Kevin's too) for being too femmy and not masculine enough (a criticism I don't agree with) and yet folks seem disappointed that Scotty didn't get all "DIVA" and want some big "bridezilla" type wedding with all the trimmings.
He's a chef and he's crazy about food. Of course he'd want to do the cooking.
Kevin is uptight and a control freak, of course who wouldn't want Nora going nuts.
To me it was just perfect except for the following missing elements:
NO HONEYMOON NO WAKING UP IN BED FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A COMMITTED LEGALLY SANCTIONED COUPLE.
Hopefully once the marriage issue is settled in California, TPTB will revisit the marriage issue for Kevin and Scotty.
But I hope they don't then go have some huge over the top wedding ceremony as if the first one wasn't good enough or wasn't real.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 26, 2008 0:47:53 GMT -5
What irked me most was:
1) The ceremony being officiated by (of all people) Kitty, who has expressed opposition to same-sex marriage directly to Kevin in the past, an issue that has never really been resolved. Rather it has simply been forgotten (as so many things seemingly are in the Walker family).
2) Kevin running off and leaving Scotty at home, on their wedding night(!), because he felt some urgent need to tell Sarah about Ryan and for the two of them to go tell Nora! I mean honestly! This couldn't wait a few days? They'd only managed to go for 20+ years without any knowledge of the guy, or him having any knowledge of them! Was it really worth running out on his new husband like that to go dish this latest twist in the William Walker infidelity soap opera?!
Well, hopefully the marriage issue in California will be resolved in such a way that they actually can get legally married. That's still up in the air and could go either way. They may be stuck with their domestic partnership.
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Post by darcolover55 on Oct 26, 2008 11:35:45 GMT -5
I completely agree with you about Kitty officiating. I though she looked lovely and was trying to be warm and witty but it just didn't come off. The whole "Mr McBear" thing was horrible I would have loved it if Sarah had done it because she's just so loving towards Kevin and I adore their relationship. Even Justin with he "bros" and "dudes" might have made more sense. I have to say, being an only child, the thing I like most about this show is how these siblings have managed to be each others best friends and to support each other even though they are so very different. I have a very very close knit group of long-term gay and lesbian friends and we operate a lot like siblings (with random bouts of faux-sibling incest thrown in But who wouldn't love to have four sisters and brothers who always have your back, even when they don't agree with you. It kinda goes against that weird "American" spirit of individualism in a really good way I think. Yes we all have to be grown ups and deal with our lives and make our own decisions but at the end of the day, we are responsible for each other and what we do affects the lives of others. I have friends who come from large groups of children and it's really a rare thing (although that's kinda sad when you think about it) But I digress...
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 26, 2008 18:03:31 GMT -5
I completely agree with you about Kitty officiating. I though she looked lovely and was trying to be warm and witty but it just didn't come off. The whole "Mr McBear" thing was horrible I would have loved it if Sarah had done it because she's just so loving towards Kevin and I adore their relationship. I agree - I think Sarah doing it would have made more sense. My best friend growing up came from a large family (9 of them) and when I stayed over at weekends they would fight, argue etc etc amongst themselves, sometimes in quite a ferocious fashion, however, if an outsider caused problems for one of them, they closed ranks and stood together like a little army - it was actually quite impressive to see - the Walkers kinda remind me of that.
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Post by overtherainbow on Oct 27, 2008 13:01:45 GMT -5
Great episode! Minus Justecca.. Back to good writing, reminded me of S1, which is a good thing! LOTS of Scotty and Kevin interaction today, loved every bit of it.. The dinner with Scotty's parents was outstanding, and just over all a very good episode. It seemed very real too, again, reminded me of S1 If only they could get this much screen time every episode, sigh... Oh well, I just have to enjoy the little we get from them.. And I don't even need a bed scene or a honeymoon if the writing is as good as it was today, though it would be appreciated Oh and also.. Not so sure about Kevin's new job, but.. As long as he's happy I guess.. And also the fact that he didn't make partner, ugh, soooo sad! Poor Kevin! Hope this job works out for him!
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Post by mizuryuu on Oct 27, 2008 16:37:40 GMT -5
the latest episode wasn't bad... but they really do need to provide another storyline with Scotty that is not related to Scotty and Kevin's sexuality...
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Post by darcolover55 on Oct 27, 2008 17:51:36 GMT -5
I didn't think this episode was about being gay. I think it was more about Scotty and Kevin figuring out how to be a couple and how to negotiate each other's needs and difficult family members. Scotty's mother is horrible to Kevin and THE REASON she his horrible to him is because he's gay and the reason she thinks she can get away with being horrible to Kevin is because he's not her son so doesn't HAVE to love him and because she doesn't accept them as a couple.
She could dislike Kevin for any number of reasons (religion, politics, class) and it would still be a compelling and interesting storyline because it's so universal and well written.
Dealing with in-laws and difficult family members for the long haul is part of getting committed or married or whatever you want to call it and Kevin has never had to do it before and he's learning that it's not always about HIM.
It's not like gay people just come out, get married then all the homophobia (big and small) is over. There is nothing wrong with having storylines that deal with this very real reality for gay people as long as it's done well.
But I don't think that's what this is really about
Kevin and the Senator disagree for the same reasons that Kevin and Kitty disagree. Because Kevin is a liberal Democrat and McCalister is a Republican. Kevin's being gay is just one of the reasons why he is so against the senator's platform.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 27, 2008 20:34:54 GMT -5
Why do I love this show.... ....because we get episodes like this one.
Loved Kevin's "staying alive" pose The tension at that dinner was so real, I felt uncomfortable just watcing it. When Kevin made his outburst - I just wanted to go YAY - Go Kevin - but Scotty's reaction put a whole new twist to it and makes you realise how difficult peoples lives can be. Kevin's abject apology the next day actually brought a tear to my eye, such was the emotional involvement with which I'd been drawn in. As I said previously, I'm so glad that this is NOT just about Kevin & Scotty, kissing, in bed, being all cute & nice. This is about two guys who love each other but are from different backgrounds with different outlooks & goals who are trying to understand each other and hold a relationship together. For me the writing is sharp, yet emotionally intuitive enough to make me care, think about and ultimately be enthralled by the telling of the story.
Currently hitting the No:1 gays of daytime storyline for me.
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Post by harmonium on Oct 28, 2008 13:01:26 GMT -5
I love the latest episode. The interactions between Scotty & Kevin/ Kevin & Scotty's parents are being portrayed in a very convincing manner. And I must admit I kinda lost interest in following Scotty & Kevin due to the recent development in their storyline. And luckily, the writers manage to bring in something good to explore for this episode. Hopefully the subsequent ones will be just as good or even better. And I just love it how Kevin told Scotty that all he needs is a hug when he's feeling so disappointed with the partnership. That just melts my heart. I mean it's so sweet. To Kevin, Scotty is the one and only person he wants to share his woes and happiness with. And I just like it that the writers make this fact known. And also the little hand-holding attempt gesture by Kevin just made me go soft. He felt vulnerable then, and all he needs is the comfort from Scotty. He is supposed to be older than Scotty but he's more child-like than Scotty. I can't wait for more of them to come. I think Kevin and Scotty have alot to offer and I hope the writers are not shafting them into the background.
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Post by ivaniv on Oct 30, 2008 6:31:51 GMT -5
I liked how Scotty was having a go at Kevin when he came home, but then realised what happened and switched immediately to a supportive mode. One thing bugs me. Do you really use "PDA" in a sentence when talking to a b/f g/f like Kevin did or was it just his lawyer speak? It sounds so cold and ugly
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Post by harmonium on Oct 30, 2008 10:39:37 GMT -5
^But I thought Scotty mentioned it first in their earlier conversation, the talk before meeting their parents? Isn't it just a jargon?
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Post by darcolover55 on Oct 30, 2008 13:13:48 GMT -5
I don't know about outside of the US but "PDA" (public displays of affection) is something Americans say all the time. I'm not sure when/where in came into common parlance but, yes, I've used it in teasing a girlfriend before and making fun of my friends who were getting "too" handy with each other at the movies or in a restaurant. I think Scotty was just being cute when he said it and also not make Kevin feel defensive, hence Kevin's "I'll try not to FRENCH KISS YOU" which some people might think inappropriate at the dinner table - I am not one of those people Also, I think it references the earlier episode where Scotty kissed Kevin over the table at the restaurant on their 1st official date out together and Kevin got all nervous because he usually doesn't like to show affection in public and Scotty made fun of him about it back then.
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Post by psionycx on Oct 30, 2008 19:58:28 GMT -5
I liked how Scotty was having a go at Kevin when he came home, but then realised what happened and switched immediately to a supportive mode. One thing bugs me. Do you really use "PDA" in a sentence when talking to a b/f g/f like Kevin did or was it just his lawyer speak? It sounds so cold and ugly Well, think about some of the other peculiar phrases that get used... "Partner": What are you? Lawyers? Tennis players? Cops? "Life Partner": The ancestor of "Partner". Popular during the 90's before everyone realized how pretentious it sounded. "Significant Other": Sounds like a clinical term. "Commitment ceremony": This really does sound like a ritualized event for locking someone away in an institution. So "PDA" is actually pretty standard. Unlike Germans, Americans believe that there is an upper limit to how long a single word should be, thus ruling out some kind of complex compound word with 30 letters and 10 syllables. And actually saying "public display of affection" is both long-winded and pretentious sounding. I do think that there was huge irony in this episode. Scotty really has been pretty down on Kevin about being uptight in the past. Plus I freely admit that I would have never gotten through dinner with that Phillys Schlafly wannabe without going on the offensive either. Kevin did fail his gay test in making their arrangements though. If he was so frenzied he should have told Scotty to just call the W pretending to be temp at his firm to book the room. A good gay does not fail in matters of hospitality.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Oct 31, 2008 6:36:40 GMT -5
Kevin did fail his gay test in making their arrangements though. I wasn't aware we had to pass a test now before we could call ourselves gay I must be a bad gay then ;D
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Post by psionycx on Oct 31, 2008 9:27:13 GMT -5
You must live in a gayborhood with less rigid obligations than mine sheepie. Around here one faces the risk of social ostracism if one fails to provide the highest level of hospitality and matching liquor supply.
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Post by Bonobochick on Nov 3, 2008 13:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by psionycx on Nov 5, 2008 21:02:35 GMT -5
I am so totally with them on this!
After all that time on the picket time the writers were hinting at all the great ideas they'd developed. I'm still waiting for some evidence of them.
Sunday's episode was just awful. They're now aiming for physical humor: Justin in a lady's bathrobe, Kevin and Tommy having a slap fight, Sarah discovering the dotcom guys' "office", Nora shouting into a canyon...Wit has been replaced with sight gags. They even felt the need to draw attention to Kevin's Liza Minelli pillow - again. We're supposed to laugh at the zany sitcom antics of the Walkers, completely ignoring the fact that this isn't supposed to be a sitcom.
This season is nowhere near as good as the first two and we're already a fair number of episodes in. I'm finding it harder to muster the will to watch anymore and just this week I realized that I didn't care if I watched it live Sunday night or reviewed it on TiVo later. That's a bad sign.
It doesn't help that Kevin and Scotty are such a non-couple. The warning sign was when Kevin abandoned Scotty on their wedding night to go tell Sarah about Ryan Lafferty. That just said it all about how much romance there really is in their relationship.
On the rare occasions we actually see Kevin and Scotty onscreen together they show virtually no romantic chemisty. I thought post-marital bed death was for lesbians and straight couples! Gay men are supposed to be randy!
This on a show where we've seen, among other things:
1) Tommy and Julia in bed doing Tantric yoga sex in an effort to conceive.
2) Julia stalking Tommy in the shower and initiating sex with him.
3) Justin and Rebecca over-coming their incest anxiety and getting it on.
4) Justin with multiple other women.
5) Sarah and Joe doing it on the couch in front of a video camera.
6) Kitty with her legs in the air post-coitus in the hopes that Robert's sperm will have an easier time reaching her eggs if the swim is downhill.
I don't think we've even seen Kevin and Scotty in a bed at the same time in all three seasons. Their sex life, if there is one, is clearly one of those things that is apparently taboo to show onscreen.
They've also become less likable characters this season. Kevin has always been sardonic, but now he's just all-out bitchy with very little nicety to balance it out. In the past he was more of the nice guy who sometimes got a little testy when the family really crossed the line. Scotty seems to be either passive or passive-aggressive depending on what's going on. The fun Scotty has been replaced by this dark doppelganger, or else has just had all the joy sucked out of his life by the new evil Kevin.
As for the rest, Sarah used to be made of win but now she's just a neurotic mess. Kitty is an annoying prima donna. Nora is too erratic to understand where she's coming from anymore. Tommy is an asshole. Justin is a self-righteous jerk. Saul is immaterial. Only Robert is much the same, a never-ending stream of snappy comebacks.
This show is doomed if things don't get better.
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Post by ivaniv on Nov 6, 2008 2:07:56 GMT -5
It seems as if they made them a couple so that they don't have to show Kevin dating. Now they are just busy with their jobs, more time for Kitty and Robert, hooray I actually liked Nora and Kitty, including shouting in the canyon. Saying penis isn;t a big deal here, so it was just Nora shouting away her frustration, that after her husband is dead for a long time, her life still revolves around the results of his selfish behaviour.
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Post by louisa on Nov 6, 2008 4:43:36 GMT -5
Whilst I cannot comment on the quality of the episodes as a whole during Season 3, bearing in mind I'm still part way through Season 2, I did want to comment on Kevin and Scotty's relationship and their screentime.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with many of the comments regarding Kevin and Scotty that have appeared on this thread recently.
Scotty has changed from the character we first saw and loved but I don't think this is necessarily to his detriment. He's matured and mellowed, sure, but in doing so he has become more fully rounded as a character and less like a stereotype. Kevin has also changed and developed but again I don't believe this is a bad thing.
Kevin and Scotty's storylines are often intertwined with Kitty and Robert and I can see how this might be irritating. However, I also think it's perfectly plausible and far more preferable to have them linked in with other members of the Walker family as opposed to being removed from them. For example, I feel that much of Justin and Rebecca's scenes and Tommy and Julia's seem disjointed and seperate from the rest of the family. I don't see Kevin and Scotty as existing in isolation, seperate from the rest of the family.
Bearing in mind the large ensemble cast and the focus of this show - on the Walker family - I think Scotty and Kevin's screentime is adequete. Yes, I love the characters and would love to see more of them, but I accept that this is not the Kevin and Scotty show. Furthermore, I like most of their scenes. They are generally of a high quality and, even in the shortest of scenes, seem to have a purpose as opposed to merely being stuck in as fillers or to give them a little bit of screentime. We can also anticipate more interaction with Scotty's parents which will inevitably give Scotty more time. It seems that Kevin's relationship in with his in-laws will take place on screen as opposed to Tommy's in-laws who merely swooped in and swept Julia away. A small amount of quality screen time is preferable to lots of sustandard screentime.
As for their lack of a bed scene I am surprised that so many people see this as detrimental to a) the show and b) their relationship. We are in no doubt that they have sex however this is not the be-all-and-end-all. Would I like to see a bed scene between them? Yes. But would I sacrifice their other brilliant scenes ("Marry me" "Because I changed the lightbulbs?") for a few moments of steamy titillation? No. I would far rather see the two of them as a complex and realistic couple juggling the responsibilities and problems of work and in-laws than a couple of newlyweds who did nothing but rip each others clothes off all the time.
Kevin and Scotty are positive and likeable characters, even in their worst moments, and they should be celebrated.
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Post by psionycx on Nov 6, 2008 20:16:07 GMT -5
Kevin and Scotty are positive and likeable characters, even in their worst moments, and they should be celebrated. The problem is that this season they haven't been. Historically on the show Kevin has been the most dependable of all the brothers and sisters. While he griped, justifiably, at times he was also the one who could be depended upon to be there to support the family when it was needed. This was in contrast to Sarah and Kitty with their focus on their man problems, Tommy with his self-absorbtion or Justin with his inability to control his need for women, booze and drugs. While his siblings were usually more in need of support than being supportive, Kevin was usually the one that stepped in to help out. Scotty was more fun, light-hearted and a good foil to Kevin's habitual seriousness. There was a feeling that he really wanted to be with Kevin and have a happy, romantic life. But in-between seasons two and three they have both gone from newlyweds to bitter old married couple. Both have become darker characters. More significantly, their romantic chemistry has plummeted. They come across as two people barely tolerating each other, leading completely separate lives and just sharing the same apartment. No screen time is being devoted to seriously exploring their relationship, as is done with Kitty and Robert or Justin and Rebecca. As Ivan said it's like they married them off simply so that they wouldn't have to show Kevin dating anymore. Now that Kevin is "married" his romantic life can be neatly kept offscreen for the people writing fan fiction to speculate about. Whereas the development of Kitty/Robert and Justin/Rebecca, as well as their post-consumation have been primary storylines (especially for Justin and Rebecca, neither of whom has a real job to distract from their romance plot) Kevin and Scotty's relationship has been mostly put on the back burner. While the writers felt the need to continue to focus on Kitty and Justin's respective relationships even after those relationships were established, Kevin's is mostly just an accessory item. Granted, Julia has been a barely-there character. But we saw an awful lot of Joe when he and Sarah were still together. By and large the love affairs of the straight siblings are major plot points. Kevin and Scotty had a very brief courtship followed by a lightning quick marriage and have already progressed to the post-romantic going downhill phase of their relationship. We barely got to see their romance and already it feels like it's gone. Instead the focus is on Kevin's career woes and Scotty's tense endurance of Kevin's bitterness. Even the big episode of Scotty's parents visiting was poorly-executed. This would have been a great opportunity to explore Kevin and Scotty's relationship in parallel with Scotty's parents and his relationship with them. But instead the writers decided to make it mostly about Kevin's job, and with his new involvement with Robert. They even went so far as to insert Kitty and Robert into the dinner!!! This effectively squelched any serious exploration of Kevin & Scotty by adding a pointless distraction, making it more about Robert and Kevin's job. It pains me to say it, but they are the least romantic couple on this show and that really makes me feel frustrated. The writers seem to be working overtime to focus on anything but their relationship and when they do zoom in on it it's only to show how strained it is.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 6, 2008 20:58:30 GMT -5
Kevin and Scotty are positive and likeable characters, even in their worst moments, and they should be celebrated. The problem is that this season they haven't been. Historically on the show Kevin has been the most dependable of all the brothers and sisters. While he griped, justifiably, at times he was also the one who could be depended upon to be there to support the family when it was needed. This was in contrast to Sarah and Kitty with their focus on their man problems, Tommy with his self-absorbtion or Justin with his inability to control his need for women, booze and drugs. While his siblings were usually more in need of support than being supportive, Kevin was usually the one that stepped in to help out. Scotty was more fun, light-hearted and a good foil to Kevin's habitual seriousness. There was a feeling that he really wanted to be with Kevin and have a happy, romantic life. But in-between seasons two and three they have both gone from newlyweds to bitter old married couple. Both have become darker characters. More significantly, their romantic chemistry has plummeted. They come across as two people barely tolerating each other, leading completely separate lives and just sharing the same apartment. No screen time is being devoted to seriously exploring their relationship, as is done with Kitty and Robert or Justin and Rebecca. As Ivan said it's like they married them off simply so that they wouldn't have to show Kevin dating anymore. Now that Kevin is "married" his romantic life can be neatly kept offscreen for the people writing fan fiction to speculate about. Whereas the development of Kitty/Robert and Justin/Rebecca, as well as their post-consumation have been primary storylines (especially for Justin and Rebecca, neither of whom has a real job to distract from their romance plot) Kevin and Scotty's relationship has been mostly put on the back burner. While the writers felt the need to continue to focus on Kitty and Justin's respective relationships even after those relationships were established, Kevin's is mostly just an accessory item. Granted, Julia has been a barely-there character. But we saw an awful lot of Joe when he and Sarah were still together. By and large the love affairs of the straight siblings are major plot points. Kevin and Scotty had a very brief courtship followed by a lightning quick marriage and have already progressed to the post-romantic going downhill phase of their relationship. We barely got to see their romance and already it feels like it's gone. Instead the focus is on Kevin's career woes and Scotty's tense endurance of Kevin's bitterness. Even the big episode of Scotty's parents visiting was poorly-executed. This would have been a great opportunity to explore Kevin and Scotty's relationship in parallel with Scotty's parents and his relationship with them. But instead the writers decided to make it mostly about Kevin's job, and with his new involvement with Robert. They even went so far as to insert Kitty and Robert into the dinner!!! This effectively squelched any serious exploration of Kevin & Scotty by adding a pointless distraction, making it more about Robert and Kevin's job. It pains me to say it, but they are the least romantic couple on this show and that really makes me feel frustrated. The writers seem to be working overtime to focus on anything but their relationship and when they do zoom in on it it's only to show how strained it is. I understand you are sorely disappointed and frustrated with the way this show has developed but it saddens me even more to see you trying to destroy every single positive comment that has been posted about S3 in this thread. All it does is deter anyone who is still enjoying the show from commenting on it. I assume that you are still watching - and commenting - in the hope that it will get better. I, for one, never really felt the romance between Kevin & Scotty - I always thought they were a mis-matched pair - and in some way - the "relationship" storytelling we are getting now is the extension of the mis-matched pair I have always seen them to be.
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Post by psionycx on Nov 6, 2008 21:43:53 GMT -5
I'm feeling uncharitable this week. Three more states banned same-sex marriage. In California's case they actually took the right away!
So I'm not feeling overly-indulgent of the B&S writers. Whereas in the past I would have been inclined to overlook some of the weaknesses in the writing, this season has been an utter tosser so far! It is not even close to seasons one and two in quality.
And since we're on a board focused specifically on gay characters on TV I feel the need to air my feelings about how they're being depicted. So far this season I have a hard time even seeing Kevin and Scotty as roommates, much less partners (they technically can't be "married" in California after all).
Initially I thought that they did have chemistry that was building, but which never got developed properly because they were never given a lot of screen time and season two was short because of the strike. Hence I was unhappy with the rushed buildup to their wedding at the end of season two.
But I hoped that they would be making up for it in season three and so far that has not been the case. Rather than developing their relationship the writers are already rushing ahead to relationship problems and it is really not at all satisfying.
I will not withhold criticism of what I consider to be poor storytelling just to be PC. Gay representation on TV is an iffy thing as it is. If they're not going to write us well then I don't see why we should be happy about it.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 6, 2008 23:37:40 GMT -5
I'm feeling uncharitable this week. Three more states banned same-sex marriage. In California's case they actually took the right away! I'd imagine most people who use this forum feel as disappointed about this as you Fair comment, however, does the facilitation of this need necessarily have to mean denegrating every positive post in this thread Yeah - even the scriptwriters didn't see this coming ;D This is where we differ in our interpretation of them as a couple. I've always seen them as mis-matched with no romantic chemistry. To me Scotty was always more of a mentor to Kevin - teaching him how to be comfortable with his sexuality. To me, Kevin never ( and still hasn't) "got" Scotty. I'm also not sure why Scotty fell in love with Kevin - god knows, he made him feel worthless so many times, yet he kept going back. I totally agree with the rushed wedding story - it lacked any real depth, however, for me, it kinda fits thier relationship. Kinda like a str8 couple deciding to have a kid thinking it will mend their relationship or bring them closer together. Actually I disagree here - I think they have always had relationship troubles and the storytelling now is an extension of where they always were - i.e getting married has not turned them into supercouple of the year. It's not about being PC - there are other posters on this thread who are able to convey thier criticism of the show without belittling the ones who post positive comments I agree that homosexual storylines are underepresented and in many cases poorly depicted but I wonder why this show - and those of us who still enjoy it - bears the brunt of your ire - AWZ is an utter mess, ATWT predictable and VL currently without a story By the use of the words us & we, I'm assuming you mean those of us who are gay. Does this mean the opinions of the many str8 people on this board don't apply I am sorry that this show has let you down - truly I am - however I can't help but feel that I am being bullied into agreeing with your sentiments about the show every time I post on here - unfortunately I don't.
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