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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 22:44:05 GMT -5
Wo? I looked at Nanna's site but see nothing new......?
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Post by restenergy on May 30, 2008 22:48:19 GMT -5
I don't have the URL handy right now, but if if you see the videos section, click on the number of videos Nanna has, and you should see it there.
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Post by nana29 on May 30, 2008 22:58:32 GMT -5
I don't have the URL handy right now, but if if you see the videos section, click on the number of videos Nanna has, and you should see it there. this probably might be a dumb question considering the thread but you guys are talking about today's episode...right? I don't see it on her video list. never mind www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8M8d6tc50s
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Post by psionycx on May 30, 2008 23:46:01 GMT -5
Such a good episode. I just saw Nanna's subs on youtube. I love the conversation between Olivia and Olli, and the fact that in the same sequence, Miriam's hearing failed (again) while Christian's went bionic! Love the guys big time... Honestly, No Limits has the weirdest acoustics of any place I've ever seen. Sound is either amplified or muffled depending on where you're standing in the bar, and what your standing is in relation to the people speaking. But it really was great seeing Christian's (Thore using his facial skills again) reaction to overhearing Olli lamenting to Olivia. One thing that Christian clearly responds to is Olli's love for him. Christian yielded, but then laid out his own demands. Clearly he's no pushover to Olli's will. Also, he may want Olli to get a bit more buff. The hug really was adorable though. Especially Olli putting his head on Christian's shoulder and Christian rubbing Olli's arm. Very subtle but nice intimacy. Even turning away when Olli tried to kiss him was cute in a way, because it was Christian asserting control of the situation to assert himself and win some concessions from Olli. I have however had to lower my estimation of Miriam's intelligence to roughly that of a goldfish.
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Post by nana29 on May 31, 2008 0:03:27 GMT -5
I have however had to lower my estimation of Miriam's intelligence to roughly that of a goldfish. LMAO! nicely said!
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Post by psionycx on May 31, 2008 0:14:13 GMT -5
I have however had to lower my estimation of Miriam's intelligence to roughly that of a goldfish. LMAO! nicely said! Seriously! Miriam was even the right color today and has those big, wide eyes that somehow seem to not see anything. She just kind of floats there behind the bar as if it were an aquarium, her mind resetting itself every few seconds so that nothing she sees or hears ever really computes.
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Post by lala on May 31, 2008 1:04:41 GMT -5
I have however had to lower my estimation of Miriam's intelligence to roughly that of a goldfish. LMAO! nicely said! agreed.
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Post by nana29 on May 31, 2008 1:15:10 GMT -5
LMAO! nicely said! Seriously! Miriam was even the right color today and has those big, wide eyes that somehow seem to not see anything. She just kind of floats there behind the bar as if it were an aquarium, her mind resetting itself every few seconds so that nothing she sees or hears ever really computes. So True! I was watching the clip again, and though wait Miriam was like right there behind bar, not directly infront of them, but was there when Olivia and Olli were talking, she just can't put two and two together. But I have to say i do like how she talked to gregor after they slept together, right infront of christian, that was good.
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Post by psionycx on May 31, 2008 1:37:30 GMT -5
Even so, if this keeps up Gregor's going to have to bring in a big ceramic castle, a model pirate ship and some plastic plants to make No Limits more suitable for Miriam.
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Post by nanna on May 31, 2008 1:50:34 GMT -5
Sorry, guys, that it took me so long to post this, but I had to re-start the upload twice because YT was acting up. So at 3:00 am I went to bed, cussing rather un-ladylike.
Many thanks to Ivan for the video and to Tihkon (and his family) for all the help with the translation.
Btw, all credits for Thursday's "roadkill" should go to him.
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Post by nana29 on May 31, 2008 2:31:34 GMT -5
Thank You Nanna and Tihkon (and your family :-) )
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2008 5:46:44 GMT -5
Seriously! Miriam was even the right color today and has those big, wide eyes that somehow seem to not see anything. She just kind of floats there behind the bar as if it were an aquarium, her mind resetting itself every few seconds so that nothing she sees or hears ever really computes. On behalf of the Goldfish Anti-defamation League--and goldfish everywhere--I feel obliged to point out that you're selling goldfish a little short . . .
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Post by Difficult Diva on May 31, 2008 6:52:12 GMT -5
Thank you Nanna.
Even with the German clip, I still loved what was written for Oliver and Christian. The writers, Thore and Jo keep amazing me by what they're doing with this storyline. I love the little things that come across onscreen.
They are portraying this couple so well.
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Post by aldebaran on May 31, 2008 8:52:47 GMT -5
So, the O&C marathon is over! Now I can add my two cents too. ( Roddieb!) First of all, this is a good outfit for Chris. At last! TIGROTTO* is back! * "Little tiger" in Italian, how I call him, especially when he's angry. Axel too called him "karate tiger"! LOL ;D I know I don't need to say that, but I'll do anyway. I wish I was at Chris's place here: * wolf barking to the Moon, drooling* Portobelo? Wtf is that? Should I withdraw what I've just said about his shirts? Am I the only one who find them even hotter when arguing? I also think that the best Thore's acting is just when he plays Christian angry. He's so real! Jo too is good, but I love him most when playing Olli romantic and understanding. Then he's at his best. I love this episode, to hell with those stupid YT comments about Chris not kissing Olli. They were very cute, however. I must say, I'm a little disappointed because I was waiting for the scene shown in the spoilers, when Chris pushes Olli into NoLimits. The one in previous Ollian's avatar, you know. I loved their facial expressions in that picture, but it wasn't the same in the clip. I hope you got what I mean. Sorry but today I'm a bit tired and my English is worse than usual.
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Post by psionycx on May 31, 2008 9:41:33 GMT -5
On behalf of the Goldfish Anti-defamation League--and goldfish everywhere--I feel obliged to point out that you're selling goldfish a little short . . . I'd be willing to upgrade my assessment from domestic goldfish to Koi, but no higher than that. Besides, we tried to give her the benefit of the doubt in the past and she still keeps getting more and more clueless. Gregor's going to have to start paying her in fish flakes soon. Much praise to our beloved multimedia masters! This was a busy week for our boys and you guys had a lot to do. Thanks so much for all the time and effort!
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Post by lolaruns on May 31, 2008 10:08:44 GMT -5
I totally thought of you when he did That said, I think the youtube people have a right to their opinion as everybody else. Sure their perspective is somewhat narrow and pretty much most of them I would love to say "Duh, it's a soap, what did you expect? Take a month of vacation and then come and decide again". But yeah, youtube comments always have a tendency to be nasty, guess it was too much to ask for Ollian to always be spared of it.
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Post by j9l45 on May 31, 2008 10:20:09 GMT -5
Now I'm willing to admit Miriam probably can't spell her own name, but I still gotta wonder about that look she gave the boys on quiz night. At least she isn't hitting on Christian left, right, and center these days. Hoping the writers don't bring that awkwardness back.
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Post by psionycx on May 31, 2008 10:48:23 GMT -5
Now I'm willing to admit Miriam probably can't spell her own name, but I still gotta wonder about that look she gave the boys on quiz night. At least she isn't hitting on Christian left, right, and center these days. Hoping the writers don't bring that awkwardness back. That's the only gap here. The two of them are so obvious that it's a wonder that all of Dusseldorf doesn't know about them! Gregor is in his own little world these days, so I guess he could be oblivious. But Miriam sees them together all the time. She was right next to Olli and Olivia when Olli was pouring his heart out. At this point failure to get it is a sign of either denial or foolishness.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2008 10:59:23 GMT -5
Now I'm willing to admit Miriam probably can't spell her own name, but I still gotta wonder about that look she gave the boys on quiz night. At least she isn't hitting on Christian left, right, and center these days. Hoping the writers don't bring that awkwardness back. That's the only gap here. The two of them are so obvious that it's a wonder that all of Dusseldorf doesn't know about them! Gregor is in his own little world these days, so I guess he could be oblivious. But Miriam sees them together all the time. She was right next to Olli and Olivia when Olli was pouring his heart out. At this point failure to get it is a sign of either denial or foolishness. There is the possibility that Miriam is altogether different from what she seems--whereby I mean, it's been a 'naive' act all along, that she's really a plant by Starbucks (e g), in preparation for a forced takeover of "No Limits". And one can easily imagine still more sinister scenarios . . .
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2008 11:13:27 GMT -5
The two of them are so obvious that it's a wonder that all of Dusseldorf doesn't know about them! Gregor is in his own little world these days, so I guess he could be oblivious. But Miriam sees them together all the time. She was right next to Olli and Olivia when Olli was pouring his heart out. At this point failure to get it is a sign of either denial or foolishness. But re Gregor, he should certainly have 'got it' by now. On multiple occasions, he's had the same sort of 'exposures'--i e, to telling, passionate conversation, as well as to 'suggestive' conduct--not least of which, Christian's attempt to 'come out' to him. And even if he is, in a large sense, pre-occupied by his own troubles, still he's played as intelligently aware and responsive to that which is happening around him. And inasmuch as there are so many scenes (e g, in "NoLimits") where the writers / directors deliberately depict 'eavesdropping' (intentional or simply incidental), it would be very interesting to have their 'take' on the matter, what they intend for us to infer . . . because, yes, so often, although we expect something to come of it, nothing does.
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Post by Bonobochick on May 31, 2008 11:29:19 GMT -5
The two of them are so obvious that it's a wonder that all of Dusseldorf doesn't know about them! Gregor is in his own little world these days, so I guess he could be oblivious. But Miriam sees them together all the time. She was right next to Olli and Olivia when Olli was pouring his heart out. At this point failure to get it is a sign of either denial or foolishness. But re Gregor, he should certainly have guessed by now, because, on multiple occasions, he's had the same sort of 'exposures'--i e, to telling, passionate conversation, as well as to 'suggestive' conduct--including Christian's attempt to 'come out' to him! And even if he is, in a large sense, pre-occupied by his own troubles, still he's played as intelligently aware and responsive to that which is happening around him. And inasmuch as there are so many scenes (e g, in "NoLimits") where the writers / directors deliberately depict 'eavesdropping' (intentional or simply incidental), it would be very interesting to have their 'take' on the matter. What they intend for us to infer . . . because, yes, so often, although we expect something to come of it, nothing does. This goes back to my belief that Gregor recognizes that Olli & Christian are very close as he often comments on it but also that Gregor would never consciously think of his brother in a romantic relationship with another man. It's not far-fetched for Gregor to miss what seems fairly obvious. He grew up with Christian, he knows Christian and probably has never had a doubt in his mind that his little brother is nothing but heterosexual. That combined with the drama in his own life, why would Gregor think O/C together? Yea, it's obvious to us and to others who know Olli well and who are new to knowing both men - like Judith - but it's not inconceivable that Gregor can't connect that his brother's close friendship with Olli is actually a romantic relationship between the two men. Also, Christian being who he is, a lot of his discussions are heated since he never freaks out tends to over-react frequently. Seeing Christian in a state like that is nothing new to Gregor, so I can't see him thinking it strange or unusual.
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Post by gastLXXXIV on May 31, 2008 12:20:59 GMT -5
But re Gregor, he should certainly have guessed by now, because, on multiple occasions, he's had the same sort of 'exposures'--i e, to telling, passionate conversation, as well as to 'suggestive' conduct--including Christian's attempt to 'come out' to him! And even if he is, in a large sense, pre-occupied by his own troubles, still he's played as intelligently aware and responsive to that which is happening around him. And inasmuch as there are so many scenes (e g, in "NoLimits") where the writers / directors deliberately depict 'eavesdropping' (intentional or simply incidental), it would be very interesting to have their 'take' on the matter. What they intend for us to infer . . . because, yes, so often, although we expect something to come of it, nothing does. This goes back to my belief that Gregor recognizes that Olli & Christian are very close as he often comments on it but also that Gregor would never consciously think of his brother in a romantic relationship with another man. It's not far-fetched for Gregor to miss what seems fairly obvious. He grew up with Christian, he knows Christian and probably has never had a doubt in his mind that his little brother is nothing but heterosexual. That combined with the drama in his own life, why would Gregor think O/C together? Yea, it's obvious to us and to others who know Olli well and who are new to knowing both men - like Judith - but it's not inconceivable that Gregor can't connect that his brother's close friendship with Olli is actually a romantic relationship between the two men. Also, Christian being who he is, a lot of his discussions are heated since he never freaks out tends to over-react frequently. Seeing Christian in a state like that is nothing new to Gregor, so I can't see him thinking it strange or unusual. B-chick, I do mostly see it from your perspective, and I think, of course, we're meant to. However, the matter of homosexuality has come up in scenes that include Gregor, and indeed Gregor has explicitly made the connexion: (the scene where he & Judith come in on C&O, just after they've made love for the first time as a committed couple.) " If I didn't know better . . . " Which line he delivers as more than just a joke. And his reaction when C, irritated at G's insistent matchmaking, says (something like): "Maybe I'm not interested in having another g/f now." And at the gym: "Did you have to help him get dressed?" And re homosexuality, G wonders how well / if even C 'knows himself': recall the scenes where C 'overreacts' to finding Timo & Olli making out on the couch, then tries to justify his reaction as he realizes no one sympathizes. Certainly, it's not that G concludes Christian is covering up homosexual tendencies of his own. But clearly, G is 'taking in' his brother's conduct in relation to the matter--and not buying what Christian's claiming his motivation to be. You might say, what he suspects is that C is actually a bit of a 'homophobe'--and certainly G entertains this possibility. But the actor plays the character in a way that shows he's not concluding anything--that he's puzzled by what he sees, that it's made an impression on him. And then there are the scenes at the gym . . . C's attempt to come out, G's 'near discovery' of C&O in flagrante and their clumsy cover-up . . . One would have to review the clips to see specifically what conversations at "NoLimits" (concerning / involving C&/orO) G was depicted as overhearing, as being 'in position' to overhear--and/or even participated in--but my recollection is that there were some 'telling' ones. And there's the classic jealousy scene--continued in "NoLimits" when everyone returns from the disco after the crucial "Rick incident"--in G's presence and with him, initially, acting as a kind of judge. If it weren't for all of that, I'd agree. So my sense of it is--and I hope this isn't an awful thing to say because I'm generally very admiring, appreciative of, and always grateful to the VL team--there's inconsistency in the 'psychology' of the character as written. Which is bound to happen from time to time: although we analyze them as if they're real people, of course, they're not-- leider. Moreover, there's always the potential for a subtle difference between the 'astuteness' of a character as the actor personifies him/her in the moment and the 'astuteness' of the character as written overall . . . Even so, compared to the writers of ATWT (for example), the VL writers are worthy successors to Freud and Jung!!
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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 13:01:33 GMT -5
I've been wondering about Gregor's apparent lack of insight on the issue, as well. All the times Christian turned down double dates, the abnormal reaction to sexual jokes and constantly seeing O&C together in various states of undress....
I can tell you, my sisters would immediately know and, moreover, would've talked to me about it by now! heh heh heh
But, of course, there is also denial---if he had any inkling of the true facts and has any worry about it, he might simply dismiss his feelings or insights. And, knowing how touchy Christian seems to be on such matters, he'd probably not bring it up unless he was ready for a full argument.
Anyway, I feel it's time for this aspect to be resolved, at last. lola said a future episode deals with this once and for all---can't wait!
Geoff
* color coded spoiler -Bchick
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Post by Bonobochick on May 31, 2008 13:53:17 GMT -5
This goes back to my belief that Gregor recognizes that Olli & Christian are very close as he often comments on it but also that Gregor would never consciously think of his brother in a romantic relationship with another man. It's not far-fetched for Gregor to miss what seems fairly obvious. He grew up with Christian, he knows Christian and probably has never had a doubt in his mind that his little brother is nothing but heterosexual. That combined with the drama in his own life, why would Gregor think O/C together? Yea, it's obvious to us and to others who know Olli well and who are new to knowing both men - like Judith - but it's not inconceivable that Gregor can't connect that his brother's close friendship with Olli is actually a romantic relationship between the two men. Also, Christian being who he is, a lot of his discussions are heated since he never freaks out tends to over-react frequently. Seeing Christian in a state like that is nothing new to Gregor, so I can't see him thinking it strange or unusual. B-chick, I do mostly see it from your perspective, and I think, of course, we're meant to. However, the matter of homosexuality has come up in scenes including Gregor, and indeed Gregor has explicitly made the connexion: (the scene where he & Judith come in on C&O, just after they've made love for the first time as a committed couple.) " If I didn't know better . . . " Which line he delivers as more than just a joke. And his reaction when C, irritated at G's insistent matchmaking, says (something like): "Maybe I'm not interested in having another g/f now." And at the gym: "Did you have to help him get dressed?" And re homosexuality, G wonders how well / if even C 'knows himself': recall the scenes where C 'overreacts' to finding Timo & Olli making out on the couch, then tries to justify his reaction as he realizes no one sympathizes. Certainly, it's not that G concludes Christian is covering up his own homosexual tendencies. But clearly, G is 'taking in' his brother's conduct in relation to the matter--and not buying what Christian's claiming his motivation to be. You might say, what he suspects is that C is actually a bit of a 'homophobe'--and certainly G entertains this possibility. But the actor plays the character in a way that shows he's not concluding anything--that he's puzzled by what he sees, that it's made an impression on him. And then there are the scenes at the gym . . . C's attempt to come out, G's 'near discovery' of C&O in flagrante and their clumsy cover-up . . . One would have to review the clips to see specifically what conversations at "NoLimits" (concerning / involving C&/orO) G was depicted as overhearing, as being 'in position' to overhear--and/or participated in--but my recollection is that there were some 'telling' ones. And there's the classic jealousy scene--continued in "NoLimits" when everyone returns from the disco after the crucial "Rick incident"--in G's presence and with him acting as a kind of judge. If it weren't for all of that, I'd agree. So my sense of it is--and I hope this isn't an awful thing to say because I'm generally very admiring, appreciative of, and always grateful to the VL team--there's inconsistency in the 'psychology' of the character as written. Which is bound to happen from time to time: although we analyze them as if they're real people, of course, they're not-- leider. And there's always the potential for a subtle difference between the 'astuteness' of a character as the actor 'personifies' him/her in the moment and the 'astuteness' of the character as written . . . Even so, compared to the writers of ATWT (for example), the VL writers are worthy successors to Freud and Jung!! In all honesty, I've seen all the clips once and maybe a few clips several times so I haven't really analyzed small details and mostly have been looking at the big picture so I am going mostly off memory. The examples you've cited don't change my mind in regard to where Gregor is coming from. IMO, it all boils down Gregor not having reason to think his brother is with another man in a romantic relationship. C saying that he isn't interested in a girlfriend is not necessarily a statement indicative that he's in to men now. We knew he was thinking about Olli but in a broader sense some people don't like to bounce from relationship to relationship; they want down time to nurse wounds or just be single for a while. Even if C hadn't already been in love with Olli at that point and he & Coco had broken up, he doesn't strike me as the type to bounce right into another relationship (nor try to fuck every woman in Düsseldorf a la Gregor to get through the pain) unless he was already in love with that person. We knew it was Olli but had it not been, there is no one else he's shown even the slightest interest in and he's not going to feign interest in being with someone just to not be alone, IMO. Also, I've been around people who've been dumped or hurt by someone they loved and reacted similarly to Gregor in that all they wanted to do is party or get laid. If you're not in the same mindset, it's irritating to be bugged to continuously go out so that said person can hook up for anonymous sex or the like while you either do the same or sit on the couch drinking all night. I can't say I wouldn't have acted any differently than C to Gregor's insistence in getting over a failed relationship by fucking all of Düsseldorf if I was in his shoes, plus it's not healthy after a while to continue that type of behavior instead of dealing with the pain. YMMV. Gregor's comments like O helping C get dressed or don't strike me as anything more than him taking the piss at Christian. I just don't see an ulterior motive to his comments which is probably why when Gregor finds out in a few weeks O & C are together he is so appalled and has trouble initially accepting it until Olli talks to him. That to me indicates it has never crossed his mind that O & C were a couple. As with the Rick incident... we know it was jealousy but Gregor knows C is protective of those he is close to so if C thinks some guy is trying to hurt Olli and steps in to defend him, that's not out of character for C as he would do that with anyone he is close to. I am not discounting what you're saying, I am just saying you're approaching it from the perspective of knowing everything that has happened and also being more open-minded about what could be going on with C & O than Gregor. I see nothing about Gregor's lack of catching on to C/O as unusual or without insight. From what we know of Gregor and Grgor & Christian's relationship, he'd have no reason to suspect his brother is now feeling warm for Olli.
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Post by aldebaran on May 31, 2008 13:59:18 GMT -5
Please be careful not to talk about future events, since some people don't like to know what's gonna happen in the next episodes. There's a proper thread about that called "Spoiler discussion". Thanks. ETA: Oops, the Moderator has just put a comment above, without mentioning it, perhaps I'm too strict! ;D
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