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Post by dmagiclight on Oct 1, 2021 15:08:11 GMT -5
You think this show could not get any worse in its gay representation, and then it goes and has Fangs and Toni make out. I knew something like that was going to happen I think i will drop Riverdale and Good trouble I am so done with how bad they both are with Male LGBTQ Characters
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Post by carld2 on Oct 1, 2021 22:06:52 GMT -5
You think this show could not get any worse in its gay representation, and then it goes and has Fangs and Toni make out. A few years back they had Kevin and Cheryl make out but deleted the scenes. I wonder if this is an attempt at getting the same type of fetish out (same-sex couples break up and two of the people in them pair with the opposite sex), using bi characters to avoid backlash. Kevin is "lucky" the hacks who run this show don't care about him, as if they did he likely would have already developed some kind of sexual obsession with Betty by this point.
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Post by justinate on Oct 5, 2021 10:39:50 GMT -5
Sadly, this has become a trademark of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's shows. We saw it on Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and now on Riverdale. My first thought when I saw his newest project is a Pretty Little Liars spin-off was that - maybe we'll get a gay male Liar (like the last spin-off, The Perfectionists) - until I remembered his track record. (In any case, he's cast all female Liars, so we don't need to worry about poor queer male representation.)
I just cannot comprehend why gay male showrunners seem to do the worst job with representation on their shows. Once upon a time, sure - gay male characters were barely tolerated beyond playing the comedic sidekick, the sight of them kissing another man would be considered X-rated and out actors were forced back into the closet. But we've moved way past that and now gay male characters aren't just regulars with love lives, they even lead well-received shows like Love, Victor and Young Royals.
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 5, 2021 13:56:43 GMT -5
It's always gay male showrunners in american shows. That doesn't happen in other countries.
The first season of Quantico seemed written by an homophobe instead an openly gay writer.
If you want a bi character just create a bi character (we know in this kind of show it'll end with a girl from the very beginning and just don't invest time in him) but an openly gay guy experimenting with heterosexuality just after coming out doesn't seem realistic. The less cliche is the power of gay sperm, which is a soap opera classic, the gay not only hook up with a woman but get her pregnant (even if it was only one night).
This is overdone. You have a show like Heartstopper (i think it will air next year) that doesn't only have three gay male main characters but two of the actors are even a couple in real life, so there's absolutely no reason to cast straight actors who feel uncomfortable playing gay roles when you have openly gay young ones.
It's sad that some straight writers (like the Spartacus one) fight way more for their gay characters than some of the openly gay ones
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Post by kevvoi on May 19, 2022 7:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on May 19, 2022 13:57:53 GMT -5
Given the dreadful trajectory of the gay characters this past season (Kevin is betraying everyone for a romance with the literal Devil), I think it was past time for the show to be put out of its misery. Hopefully we see KJ on something more risque in the future, he has a banging body.
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Post by davidw on May 19, 2022 14:11:25 GMT -5
I gave up on Riverdale after the second or third season, when I realized I'd watched the whole thing for a handful of minutes of Kevin Keller. Minutes I didn't enjoy.
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Post by mizuryuu on May 20, 2022 15:48:28 GMT -5
The show had gone off the rails for years and I'm glad someone is finally ending this
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Post by justinate on Jul 28, 2022 12:57:17 GMT -5
Putting this interview here because Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is also Riverdale's showrunner and we don't have a thread for the newest incarnation of the Pretty Little Liars franchise, Original Sin. He does talk briefly about Riverdale, but most of the article is actually about the queer heritage of horror, which begs the question of why he didn't make one of the Liars a gay boy like the last PLL spin-off, The Perfectionists, did? www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a40728303/riverdale-pretty-little-liars-original-sin-roberto-aguirre-sacasa/
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Post by justinate on Aug 1, 2022 13:48:57 GMT -5
Digital Spy seems wildly optimistic about what last night's season 6 finale means for the queer characters of Riverdale in the next (final) season. Mild spoilers for season 7 can be found towards the end of the article. At the end of season 6, everyone in Riverdale was transported back to the 1950s. The showrunner confirms that Kevin, Moose, Cheryl and Toni will be closeted and have to find new ways to embrace their sexuality. Yet the article writer thinks things will be queerer next season. Um, okay. Kevin was already an afterthought, one can only imagine what happens to him and Moose this time. www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a40770449/riverdale-queerbaiting-twist-season-6/
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Post by carld2 on Aug 2, 2022 14:21:43 GMT -5
Digital Spy seems wildly optimistic about what last night's season 6 finale means for the queer characters of Riverdale in the next (final) season. Mild spoilers for season 7 can be found towards the end of the article. At the end of season 6, everyone in Riverdale was transported back to the 1950s. The showrunner confirms that Kevin, Moose, Cheryl and Toni will be closeted and have to find new ways to embrace their sexuality. Yet the article writer thinks things will be queerer next season. Um, okay. Kevin was already an afterthought, one can only imagine what happens to him and Moose this time. www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a40770449/riverdale-queerbaiting-twist-season-6/If I didn't know any better I'd say it's just one last justification for having little to no queer content on the show. This past season had the two bi characters in relationships with the opposite sex, which I don't object to in of itself, but Kevin just got less than crumbs and what I saw of Cheryl seemed like random teasing and tawdriness, and winking and nodding about how queerbaiting is actually good and right, in the usual defensive posture of the hacks who run this show. I already said this above, but the show not caring about Kevin is the only reason, I believe, he has not been all over women yet. My guess is next season they will have him go to some dive and get gay-bashed one last time, so we will be reminded how sad and lonely gay men were, and always will be.
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Post by justinate on Aug 2, 2022 14:41:42 GMT -5
If I didn't know any better I'd say it's just one last justification for having little to no queer content on the show. This past season had the two bi characters in relationships with the opposite sex, which I don't object to in of itself, but Kevin just got less than crumbs and what I saw of Cheryl seemed like random teasing and tawdriness, and winking and nodding about how queerbaiting is actually good and right, in the usual defensive posture of the hacks who run this show. I already said this above, but the show not caring about Kevin is the only reason, I believe, he has not been all over women yet. My guess is next season they will have him go to some dive and get gay-bashed one last time, so we will be reminded how sad and lonely gay men were, and always will be. With Kevin forced back into the closet for season 7, I won't be surprised if we see him with a beard. It was bad enough when he decided he no longer wanted to be gay a few seasons ago, now we'll probably have to watch Casey Cott enthusiastically play out a fake romance onscreen with all the passion he couldn't muster for any of Kevin's male love interests. I don't know what happened to RAS or why he writes the way he does. His original claim to fame was an Archieverse play where Archie himself was gay, before Archie Comics forced him to rename the characters to randoms unrelated to Archie. Then he actually lands the big job as Chief Creative Officer of Archie Comics but, rather than using his new authority to promote gay characters like Kevin Keller (whose popularity predated RAS' tenure as CCO), he relegates them to the backseat. At this point, Kevin's the only regular character whose love life is very superficially explored, if it even exists - even characters who were promoted to regulars after him have fared better in that department. (The lack of thought put into the character's casting - Casey Cott is simpyl not right for the part - should've been the first warning I suppose.) Meanwhile every single female regular on Riverdale has flirted with homo/bisexuality, yet not even the alternate universe Archie, Jughead, Reggie or Jason are allowed to be queer. The much-vaunted pansexual character on The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina spent far more time single or dating a girl than a man. And now he's launched a Pretty Little Liars spin-off on HBO Max which is somehow more backward than the CW's last spin-off ( The Perfectionists, which featured a gay boy as one of the Perfectionists) - yet RAS talks up his new show claiming queerness is such a big contributor to horror. If that's the case, why couldn't one of the Liars be a gay boy? I could almost (not quite) accept it if these men had their wings clipped by some homophobic network execs - it definitely happens - but then why do they make the press rounds talking up how queer and inclusive their work is? I am sure that, even if they can't push back against the network's mandate for their gay content, they can at least refuse to perform such deceptive marketing.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 2, 2022 15:37:19 GMT -5
If I didn't know any better I'd say it's just one last justification for having little to no queer content on the show. This past season had the two bi characters in relationships with the opposite sex, which I don't object to in of itself, but Kevin just got less than crumbs and what I saw of Cheryl seemed like random teasing and tawdriness, and winking and nodding about how queerbaiting is actually good and right, in the usual defensive posture of the hacks who run this show. I already said this above, but the show not caring about Kevin is the only reason, I believe, he has not been all over women yet. My guess is next season they will have him go to some dive and get gay-bashed one last time, so we will be reminded how sad and lonely gay men were, and always will be. With Kevin forced back into the closet for season 7, I won't be surprised if we see him with a beard. It was bad enough when he decided he no longer wanted to be gay a few seasons ago, now we'll probably have to watch Casey Cott enthusiastically play out a fake romance onscreen with all the passion he couldn't muster for any of Kevin's male love interests. I don't know what happened to RAS or why he writes the way he does. His original claim to fame was an Archieverse play where Archie himself was gay, before Archie Comics forced him to rename the characters to randoms unrelated to Archie. Then he actually lands the big job as Chief Creative Officer of Archie Comics but, rather than using his new authority to promote gay characters like Kevin Keller (whose popularity predated RAS' tenure as CCO), he relegates them to the backseat. At this point, Kevin's the only regular character whose love life is very superficially explored, if it even exists - even characters who were promoted to regulars after him have fared better in that department. (The lack of thought put into the character's casting - Casey Cott is simpyl not right for the part - should've been the first warning I suppose.) Meanwhile every single female regular on Riverdale has flirted with homo/bisexuality, yet not even the alternate universe Archie, Jughead, Reggie or Jason are allowed to be queer. The much-vaunted pansexual character on The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina spent far more time single or dating a girl than a man. And now he's launched a Pretty Little Liars spin-off on HBO Max which is somehow more backward than the CW's last spin-off ( The Perfectionists, which featured a gay boy as one of the Perfectionists) - yet RAS talks up his new show claiming queerness is such a big contributor to horror. If that's the case, why couldn't one of the Liars be a gay boy? I could almost (not quite) accept it if these men had their wings clipped by some homophobic network execs - it definitely happens - but then why do they make the press rounds talking up how queer and inclusive their work is? I am sure that, even if they can't push back against the network's mandate for their gay content, they can at least refuse to perform such deceptive marketing. It's unfortunate, but I do believe many gay men in the industry are more likely to have minimal gay content (or virulently homophobic content), either because of self-hatred or because they feel this is what they must do to survive. I was reading some of the tweets over the last few years on fans of the novelas that run in Brazil, and many of the most high-profile cases of gay male characters or heavily coded as gay male characters "turning" was with gay or bi men writing them. The most depressing part is due to the show's hostility toward Kevin, or apathy, that's all I ever see from fans as well. Kevin Keller in the comics was well-received. Now I wonder if he is even used, or if he is just completely overshadowed by this piece of shit show that most people stopped caring about by mid-season 2.
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Post by justinate on Dec 21, 2022 23:52:18 GMT -5
Here's some casting news for the final season - read behind the spoiler tag for why it may be pertinent. Clay Walker is the husband of Kevin Keller in the comics. Of course he's only introduced in the final season, which is set in the 1950s when it wasn't just gay marriage that was illegal but all gay relationships/sexual intimacy too. http://instagram.com/p/CmdNxK3jbSY
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Post by justinate on Mar 30, 2023 14:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Apr 9, 2023 6:26:18 GMT -5
Not sure how much of this is fantasy, but I've actually been reading that the final season is actually a lot more grounded than previous ones.
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