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Post by mrfixit477 on Nov 9, 2018 11:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 13, 2018 15:12:03 GMT -5
Frankly it's time to stop gaybaiting and give us a real gay storyline. It's about time
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Post by dmagiclight on Nov 15, 2018 17:16:03 GMT -5
I watched the Episode and like I thought It was Nothing so Tired of these shows and still no Kevin and Moose
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Post by hfolk on Nov 15, 2018 17:48:56 GMT -5
If I'm the Kevin or Moose actor I'm starting to look for other opportunities
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 15, 2018 18:53:18 GMT -5
Interview with Rob Raco (plays Joaquin):
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Post by carld2 on Nov 16, 2018 14:58:54 GMT -5
Frankly it's time to stop gaybaiting and give us a real gay storyline. It's about time Riverdale doesn't care about that. They bait and hype while making it clear we know gay men are to be kept in their place. They are not very subtle in trying to get viewers to lose interest in the gay characters. It's only through the appeal of the actors that some fans hang on even with the many, many reminders that wastes of space like Archie or "Bughead" are the ideal.
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Post by hfolk on Nov 16, 2018 15:31:46 GMT -5
I'm done with this show unless I see any signs of progress happening between Koose
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Post by dmagiclight on Nov 16, 2018 15:41:21 GMT -5
I am so glad Netflix got to produce Sabrina the CW would have done A horrible job
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 17, 2018 7:42:20 GMT -5
Frankly it's time to stop gaybaiting and give us a real gay storyline. It's about time Riverdale doesn't care about that. They bait and hype while making it clear we know gay men are to be kept in their place. They are not very subtle in trying to get viewers to lose interest in the gay characters. It's only through the appeal of the actors that some fans hang on even with the many, many reminders that wastes of space like Archie or "Bughead" are the ideal. I remember reading some comments on a youtube video about a recent episode where a lot of people commented how better was the show because in that episode the barely there characters had something to do instead of being all about Archie and Jughead. When Élite was released some people compared it with Riverdale because they have some points in common, but élite gave its gay characters more to do in just three episodes that Riverdale in three seasons. I don't think it's needed a proper gay storyline, or a gay love interest, but give your gay characters something to do. That's the problem with a lot of shows, they want a gay character because diversity and all that jazz, but once they have it, the character is isolated from main storylines and they give him nothing to do. And i think part of the problem is gay media, that keeps giving publicity to shows that don't deliver
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Post by justinate on Nov 17, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -5
I have every reason to believe the CW has some very homophobic executives who are preventing their shows from an honest depiction of gay male sexuality. I can't imagine all these shows - especially this one, with an openly gay showrunner who once wrote a play where Archie comes out as gay - would keep pushing their gay characters into the background, giving them very little to do and next-to-no love life onscreen.
Take this episode for instance. We know same-sex hookups are far from uncommon in a prison environment. Instead of the nonsensical Judas kiss, what if Joaquin had offered his help to break Archie out of prison in exchange for sex? Archie can stew about it - not because he's so straight the thought of touching another man repulses him, but because he's committed to Veronica - before ultimately deciding to go with it. And that would give some drama with both Archie-Veronica and Joaquin-Kevin-Moose when it eventually comes to light.
But nope, we go for the cheap thrill. A gay kiss that's filmed so you can't even see if their lips meet (I'm having flashbacks to Relaciones Peligrosas where they cut the gay kiss which was seen from the back!) .
My hopes for the gay character on The Perfectionists (the Pretty Little Liars spin-off that's premiering on the same network next year) are slowly ebbing away.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 17, 2018 14:21:52 GMT -5
I don't know, Quantico had a gay headwriter and that show had the most homophobic gay storyline in recent years in season one.
Teen Wolf had a gay headwriter and they had for three seasons a gay token character and used queerbait as no other show in recent years.
On the other hand you have Spartacus with an straight writer and that show always treated its gay characters just like the straight ones.
We are not in the 90's anymore where the simple appearance of a barely there gay character with a very special episode on season one was something to cheer for. If a show doesn't want to develop gay characters it's ok, but use a token gay character just for promo an never deliver is annoying
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 17, 2018 22:55:38 GMT -5
Regarding Teen Wolf,
I never understood why folks accused Teen Wolf of gay-baiting when it had multiple gay/bi relationships in every season. Gay-baiting is hinting at gay stuff that never actually happens on screen. That isn't a fair assessment of Teen Wolf.
The show had 6 gay/bi male characters over the course of its run but folks were only interested in Danny (who was great but not a main character) and the possibility of Styles (canonically straight) being in love with Derek (also canonically straight). It was like folks obsession with fanfic invaded the actual series.
Lucas, Ethan, Danny, Corey, Jackson, Brett, Mason were all actual gay/bi characters who had a love interest on the show.
The main storylines were always going to be about Scott, Styles and their families/love interests but for a show folks accused of gay-baiting, that's a lot of actual gay/bi romance going on on screen.
Actual gay and bi teens who were romantically involved. For some reason the overwhelming majority of loudest fans cared more about the pretend Styles/Derek ship.
The whole thing was bizarre, IMHO.
With Riverdale There is genuine reason for fans to be outraged because not only is Kevin an out gay character on the show in season 1 and STILL has yet to have a real, on screen love life, but in the comics, he has his OWN storyline and he has multiple boyfriends and he's very out and proud. There is literally no reason for Kevin on Riverdale to have to cruise the woods or beg and plead for Moose to be with him. He's gorgeous and out and has friends and a supportive dad and every teenager on the show is doing all the kinds of sex and relationships (including the lesbian characters ) but somehow Kevin's love life is tortured and chaste.
It's unforgivable.
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Post by justinate on Nov 18, 2018 8:24:55 GMT -5
Regarding Teen Wolf, I never understood why folks accused Teen Wolf of gay-baiting when it had multiple gay/bi relationships in every season. Gay-baiting is hinting at gay stuff that never actually happens on screen. That isn't a fair assessment of Teen Wolf. The show had 6 gay/bi male characters over the course of its run but folks were only interested in Danny (who was great but not a main character) and the possibility of Styles (canonically straight) being in love with Derek (also canonically straight). It was like folks obsession with fanfic invaded the actual series. Lucas, Ethan, Danny, Corey, Jackson, Brett, Mason were all actual gay/bi characters who had a love interest on the show. The main storylines were always going to be about Scott, Styles and their families/love interests but for a show folks accused of gay-baiting, that's a lot of actual gay/bi romance going on on screen. Actual gay and bi teens who were romantically involved. For some reason the overwhelming majority of loudest fans cared more about the pretend Styles/Derek ship. The whole thing was bizarre, IMHO. As one of the people who was vocally critical of TW, my criticism of the show's LGBTIA+ representation had nothing to do with Sterek. I agree that ship did get out of hand, but I personally never shipped them and knew with perfect certainty that it was never going anywhere - but I also firmly believe that, in the early years, TW was indeed the poster child for queer-baiting. They actively played up the homoeroticism around Stiles' character (and IIRC, both the show and actor insinuated that Stiles could go either way) while their only openly gay character, Danny, was nothing more than token representation who had no voice/story of his own, which was doubly insulting because the show also had a severe lack of ethnic minorities at the time and he was one of the very few exceptions. Ethan only arrived in season 3 after two years of criticism. It was a welcome change and at the time I foolishly believed they'd heard us, that it was the turning point in the show's approach to LGBTIA+ representation. Danny finally got a love life and TW deserved plaudits for a fairly over bed scene between them - but the character and relationship only lasted one season. Ethan left and the next season Danny didn't return either. Instead they introduced Mason as the gay, ethnic-minority sidekick of the new straight protagonist - basically a retread of the Jackson/Danny friendship, implying one gay character of colour is interchangeable with the next. Just like Danny before him, Mason sat on the sidelines, without a love interest; Brett, who was introduced the same season, was even more of an afterthought and, although noted as bisexual, never had a love interest on the show in 3 seasons. The next year they introduced Corey and Lucas: both supporting characters, since gays were still unworthy of being on the main cast. Lucas didn't last the season, and Corey hooked up with Mason instead. The final season brought back Jackson as a newly-minted bisexual in a relationship with a similarly returning Ethan: an ill-thought-out and frankly offensive "twist" to coincide with Colton Haynes' coming-out. (If in future gay actors are only allowed to play gay parts, you'll know who to thank.) And the most offensive part of it? When he was still straight, Jackson had been billed as a main character in seasons 1 and 2. But on his return in season 6, as a member of the LGBT community, he only ranked as a guest star. It's that hard to accept gay/bi characters as leading men in the fantasy/sci-fi/supernatural genre. No wonder representation still suffers. In 6 seasons, despite an active gay following, despite numerous gay fans who were willing to make every excuse in the book for him - or perhaps because of that - TW never once featured a gay or bi male on its main cast. They had every opportunity. Stiles could've been bi - what a milestone that would've been, considering he was effectively the second lead behind Scott (Tyler Posey). Jackson could've been bi from the start - his morphing into the Kanima was rooted in his identity crisis (being an adopted orphan) - sexuality could've been part of the mix. Either Danny or Mason, both of whom appeared as supporting for three seasons, could've been promoted to the main cast at some point - but no. When they decided to introduce Liam (Dylan Sprayberry) as a new lead, they could've made him bi and put him in a relationship with Mason - but still no. Leads must be straight. And this was the show that received so many plaudits from the gay press and fans for being an outstanding champion of LGBTIA+ representation. I don't think so. With Riverdale, since it airs on the CW which has such a piss-poor record on representation, one could point to network executives as being the ones to stifle Kevin's sexuality and story. (The same creator, not facing the same constraints on Netflix, has a much more overtly gay character on The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.) But MTV, which had given us gay-positive shows like Undressed so many years before, can't serve as a scapegoat for the creator of Teen Wolf.
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 18, 2018 11:22:47 GMT -5
It's very easy to understand why Teen Wolf was accussed of gaybaiting.
First Danny is the epithome of token gay (the way they treated the actor was not nice and he even joke about that on instagram). He only existed for other characters, and he was dismissed unceremoniously once he couldn't be adjacent to any regular character. People liked the character but the writer refused to give him something to do.
Second, the way they deal with all the Sterek fanbase was ridiculous. You can't tease Styles being bisexual multiple times (no, the fans didn't get that impression out of the blue) and then act all offended when people get upset you don't deliver. They probably understimated how rabid some fanfiction fans are, but they didn't reacted the way they should
Was the show gay friendly? for sure. It has a good bunch of gay character, and even without the gay characters it was gay friendly. But they gaybaiting all the time and that it's annoying as hell.
The fact that a gay creator and headwriter was unable to integrate a gay character in the main cast speak louder than any of what Jeff can say
Quantico had a gay storyline and gay characters in second season, but that was probably because the backlash of that annoying first season storyline (which by the way it made no sense at all)
People don't need gay characters to watch a show if it's good or entertainning, but if you add gay characters let them something to do. Even the Andi Mack gay character is totally integrated in the storylines. They'll have a problem for sure when it comes to his future love life (and i doubt they'll be able to solve it) but the character is there, it's part of the main cast and always has something to do (and there are even storylines revolving him).
Riverdale is a big faliure on many things, it's a very unconsistent show, it could be a great guilty pleasure but they keep focus in a few characters when they have a very large cast. And we have other shows that clearly explain why (the most popular couples and characters are not always the ones the writers promote). The worst part is when you promote a storyline and don't deliver part of the blame ends on the actors, and it happened in this case too, the actor playing Kevin was blamed on not wanting to do pda affection and even accused of being uncomfortable having to kiss a guy. I don't know if there's some truth or not, but it happened
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Post by dmagiclight on Nov 18, 2018 14:33:56 GMT -5
In the Episode in Question what I found laughable beside the kiss before the kiss even happen the show had to have Archie have sex with Veronica first
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 18, 2018 15:48:51 GMT -5
In the Episode in Question what I found laughable beside the kiss before the kiss even happen the show had to have Archie have sex with Veronica first Well, that's not exactly new. On Days of our lifes they recreate in the scene Will was having sex with his girlfriend again and again and again even after he came out- At least in Riverdales is a not too subtle way to show the character is straight (in Days it didn't have sense at all, at least not till she got pregnant, other big cliché, gay semen is incredibly powerful)
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Post by mizuryuu on Nov 20, 2018 0:18:04 GMT -5
I don't think we need any more evidence of Teen Wolf gaybaiting than this clip:
Clear exploitation of the fandom for award votes.
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Post by davidw on Feb 7, 2019 1:42:00 GMT -5
SPOILERS (if you haven't seen this week's episode).
Wow. Just... wow. Wait a year for an episode where Kevin has more that two lines... wait this long for them to finally address the Kevin-Moose relationship, and they end with Moose leaving town? And what's up with that post-sex scene? Kevin and Moose were wearing more clothes in bed than Archie and Jughead do pitchforking hay.
F*#@& them. I'd like to pitchfork Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and the whole production team.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 7, 2019 3:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 7, 2019 6:40:46 GMT -5
I?m starting to think Greg Berlanti is unable to write a decent gay character
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Post by hfolk on Feb 7, 2019 9:25:43 GMT -5
the lesbians in their bras show more skin than Kevin and Moose, I knew I was right to forget about this shit show
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Post by hfolk on Feb 7, 2019 9:44:05 GMT -5
but seriously, did anyone see Moose's dad also being gay?
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 7, 2019 13:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by dmagiclight on Feb 7, 2019 13:48:22 GMT -5
sorry Kev get out now
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 7, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -5
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