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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 21, 2018 12:03:10 GMT -5
I doubt that. There is this rumor that Adam Senn became a newborn christian and didn`t return because of that. Now the show runner has made it very clear that Adam didn`t want to return, which makes me believe that the rumors are sadly true Can you point to the article that states this rumour, or any other evidence of this? I've only read it stated here. Just because an actor doesn't want to return to a role doesn't make them a bigot. It happens all the time in tv. Yeah, without any actual source for the Born Again Christian rumor, I'm not willing to accuse Adam Senn of bigotry. It was more than a year in between seasons; there are any number of reasons that could be true for why he didn't return, including simply not wanting to play the character anymore. It's a bummer, but I can't blame someone for wanting to move on and do something different, especially with such a long break in between seasons.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 21, 2018 13:34:09 GMT -5
That rumor probably came from the fact that Adam Senn recently completed filming a movie called "Soul Sessions". He plays a character who develops a deeper spirituality. Some people can't distinguish fact from fiction. If Adam does make a guest appearance, I can see an incentive to keep it a surprise. Whether or not there is going to be a fifth season might be a factor as well. If it is already known that this fourth season is all there will be, Senn might agree to shoot a brief scene for the final episode so that Zero and Jude can live happily ever after and Zude fans can have happy closure. If there might be fifth season that Adam doesn't want to participate in, then a Zero appearance is unlikely, IMO.
I don't know why Adam is getting so much grief for moving on from a project that was on life support. He seems to be working steadily since then, so it looks like he made a smart move.
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jul 23, 2018 18:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jul 23, 2018 18:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by kellerbrady on Jul 23, 2018 18:45:36 GMT -5
This new plot has no conflict, it's boring.
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Post by hfolk on Jul 23, 2018 19:09:49 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and guess this is the final season
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 24, 2018 18:05:01 GMT -5
It's ratings dropped dramatically for the second episode. Not a good sign.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 24, 2018 23:14:54 GMT -5
Well, we'll see. I'm enjoying it, at least - not as good as Season 2, better than Season 3 so far, I think. It's all incredibly silly and OTT but the characters are all so fun that I'm willing to go with it all. Even if we don't get another season after this, I'm glad we got this one.
As for tonight's episode, I really wish they would give a little more discussion to Jude's state of mind in general and regarding Zero/Noah/dating, although the show is pretty packed with characters so I get why they don't really have the time or inclination for it (I could've done without that random Kyle sex scene; poor Kyle is once again relegated to nonsense subplot hell) - interesting to see how in the beginning of the episode Jude is treating everything with Noah as totally casual while Noah seems rather smitten and was hinting around at something more serious. I'd also love to see a little more depth to Noah, but hopefully we'll get more exploration of him as the episodes go on.
I'm liking Jamie for the first time - her friendship with Noah seems like it could be fun. I'm a little concerned about the direct Jude's going in - Derek's line about Jude not having his father's killing instinct certainly seemed to hit a nerve with Jude, and it seems like there's a power struggle between Jude and Derek going on that doesn't really look like it's leading Jude down a good road so far. I'm really interested in where they might be going with all of this, though.
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 25, 2018 21:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by drew on Aug 19, 2018 9:09:29 GMT -5
I miss Zero!!
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 20, 2018 8:59:30 GMT -5
I miss Zero!! Me too. It’s just so hard watching Jude move on.
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Post by justinate on Aug 20, 2018 12:00:04 GMT -5
I miss Zero!! Me too. It’s just so hard watching Jude move on. I hate that Adam Senn chose not to come back (whatever his reasons) but I'm glad that the show has crafted a new storyline and love interest for Brent Antonello. It wouldn't have been fair for him to lose his job over another actor's refusal to return. The show has done a good job in continuing to showcase its original gay character in his own story and a sexy new couple, which both Brent and Kristian Kordula are fully committed, as proven by their multiple steamy scenes. IMO, Brent and the showrunners deserve more loyalty and support than the actor who turned his back on Zude's many fans.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 21, 2018 15:35:21 GMT -5
^^Seriously, I think Adam had other responsibilities and to be Honest the show took way to long to get renewed and the actor found other projects. I’m spectulating here. I don’t think Adam had a problem with the Zude relationship as it came across as him being totally down with it. Of course I could be wrong.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Aug 21, 2018 23:15:28 GMT -5
Me too. It’s just so hard watching Jude move on. I hate that Adam Senn chose not to come back (whatever his reasons) but I'm glad that the show has crafted a new storyline and love interest for Brent Antonello. It wouldn't have been fair for him to lose his job over another actor's refusal to return. The show has done a good job in continuing to showcase its original gay character in his own story and a sexy new couple, which both Brent and Kristian Kordula are fully committed, as proven by their multiple steamy scenes. IMO, Brent and the showrunners deserve more loyalty and support than the actor who turned his back on Zude's many fans. I think the show turned his back on him first (and all the other actors/writers/members of production team). No one should have to wait around 7 months to find out if they will be rehired. I definitely wouldn't. The fact that so many of them did come back is actually more shocking to me. There is loyalty and then there is doing what is right for yourself. Sometimes you have to do what's best for you. He doesn't owe us anything. If you want to be mad at someone regarding the demise of Zude then blame the executives at VH1 for not picking up the show and taking so long to decide to move it to BET.
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Post by justinate on Aug 22, 2018 1:30:49 GMT -5
I hate that Adam Senn chose not to come back (whatever his reasons) but I'm glad that the show has crafted a new storyline and love interest for Brent Antonello. It wouldn't have been fair for him to lose his job over another actor's refusal to return. The show has done a good job in continuing to showcase its original gay character in his own story and a sexy new couple, which both Brent and Kristian Kordula are fully committed, as proven by their multiple steamy scenes. IMO, Brent and the showrunners deserve more loyalty and support than the actor who turned his back on Zude's many fans. I think the show turned his back on him first (and all the other actors/writers/members of production team). No one should have to wait around 7 months to find out if they will be rehired. I definitely wouldn't. The fact that so many of them did come back is actually more shocking to me. There is loyalty and then there is doing what is right for yourself. Sometimes you have to do what's best for you. He doesn't owe us anything. If you want to be mad at someone regarding the demise of Zude then blame the executives at VH1 for not picking up the show and taking so long to decide to move it to BET. Yes you can argue that VH1 turned their backs on the show but the show itself (which to me is James La Rosa and the cast and crew) categorically did not turn their backs on Adam; it was the complete opposite. VH1 took forever to cancel the show and obviously James needed time to shop it to another network. Saying that because he didn't snap his fingers and make it happen in less than 7 months is somehow a betrayal of Adam is a totally unrealistic expectation. As proven (and you yourself admit), nearly ALL the other cast members were willing and able to return. It says a lot about Adam's (lack of) loyalty that he did not. He didn't feel he owed it to James or Brent (who were the ones who made him popular - did anyone know who he was before he played Zero on HTF?) to return, nor did he feel he owed anything to his fans who are now so eager to deflect the blame onto James and criticizing the decision to re-hire Brent and give Jude a new love interest! Is Adam really that busy with other filming commitments? Other cast members - including Brent - have filmed other stuff in their time away and it hasn't impacted their ability to film HTF too. I honestly don't know and don't care. I had put him totally out of my mind once he decided not to return; like I said it was his right and his choice. But why are people allowing his choice and his right to cast a shadow over the show? It's his fans' behaviour that's riling me up when I see them posting about how he was allegedly hard done by HTF and protesting Brent's rehiring and the new romance given to Jude.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Aug 22, 2018 17:38:13 GMT -5
I think the show turned his back on him first (and all the other actors/writers/members of production team). No one should have to wait around 7 months to find out if they will be rehired. I definitely wouldn't. The fact that so many of them did come back is actually more shocking to me. There is loyalty and then there is doing what is right for yourself. Sometimes you have to do what's best for you. He doesn't owe us anything. If you want to be mad at someone regarding the demise of Zude then blame the executives at VH1 for not picking up the show and taking so long to decide to move it to BET. Yes you can argue that VH1 turned their backs on the show but the show itself (which to me is James La Rosa and the cast and crew) categorically did not turn their backs on Adam; it was the complete opposite. VH1 took forever to cancel the show and obviously James needed time to shop it to another network. Saying that because he didn't snap his fingers and make it happen in less than 7 months is somehow a betrayal of Adam is a totally unrealistic expectation. As proven (and you yourself admit), nearly ALL the other cast members were willing and able to return. It says a lot about Adam's (lack of) loyalty that he did not. He didn't feel he owed it to James or Brent (who were the ones who made him popular - did anyone know who he was before he played Zero on HTF?) to return, nor did he feel he owed anything to his fans who are now so eager to deflect the blame onto James and criticizing the decision to re-hire Brent and give Jude a new love interest! Is Adam really that busy with other filming commitments? Other cast members - including Brent - have filmed other stuff in their time away and it hasn't impacted their ability to film HTF too. I honestly don't know and don't care. I had put him totally out of my mind once he decided not to return; like I said it was his right and his choice. But why are people allowing his choice and his right to cast a shadow over the show? It's his fans' behaviour that's riling me up when I see them posting about how he was allegedly hard done by HTF and protesting Brent's rehiring and the new romance given to Jude. You're right, I shouldn't have said 'the show' and I was including James La Rosa when I said "actors/writers/members of the production team". I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the Adam issue. I look at the show as a job for him and he should do what he feels best for him and his career. He doesn't owe me anything, and it's really up to the people involved in the show to deal with how they feel about loyalty. That has nothing to do with me. You feel differently.
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Post by atlanticslide on Aug 22, 2018 22:55:26 GMT -5
I think the show turned his back on him first (and all the other actors/writers/members of production team). No one should have to wait around 7 months to find out if they will be rehired. I definitely wouldn't. The fact that so many of them did come back is actually more shocking to me. There is loyalty and then there is doing what is right for yourself. Sometimes you have to do what's best for you. He doesn't owe us anything. If you want to be mad at someone regarding the demise of Zude then blame the executives at VH1 for not picking up the show and taking so long to decide to move it to BET. Yes you can argue that VH1 turned their backs on the show but the show itself (which to me is James La Rosa and the cast and crew) categorically did not turn their backs on Adam; it was the complete opposite. VH1 took forever to cancel the show and obviously James needed time to shop it to another network. Saying that because he didn't snap his fingers and make it happen in less than 7 months is somehow a betrayal of Adam is a totally unrealistic expectation. As proven (and you yourself admit), nearly ALL the other cast members were willing and able to return. It says a lot about Adam's (lack of) loyalty that he did not. He didn't feel he owed it to James or Brent (who were the ones who made him popular - did anyone know who he was before he played Zero on HTF?) to return, nor did he feel he owed anything to his fans who are now so eager to deflect the blame onto James and criticizing the decision to re-hire Brent and give Jude a new love interest! Is Adam really that busy with other filming commitments? Other cast members - including Brent - have filmed other stuff in their time away and it hasn't impacted their ability to film HTF too. I honestly don't know and don't care. I had put him totally out of my mind once he decided not to return; like I said it was his right and his choice. But why are people allowing his choice and his right to cast a shadow over the show? It's his fans' behaviour that's riling me up when I see them posting about how he was allegedly hard done by HTF and protesting Brent's rehiring and the new romance given to Jude. I'm sorry, I just find this to be such an unreasonable position to take. How long is someone supposed to be "loyal" to a job? We have very little information here - unless someone else has some inside knowledge, we have no idea if Brent Antonello returned because he loves the show so much that he turned down other work for it or because he just didn't have anything else in his schedule. Likewise, we have no idea if Adam Senn didn't return because he had other commitments or because he just didn't feel like playing the part anymore. And even if it's the latter, I still can't really blame him. It's a job. Most people don't stay at one specific job forever. Whether he had a scheduling conflict or personal feelings about the show or character or he was just bored with the role and wanted to move on, I think it's completely unreasonable to expect that he absolutely should have come back - even after 7 months and an assumption that the show was done - and constantly lambaste him for it, just because we loved the character. It's a bummer, but he doesn't owe anything to the show or the fans. Anyway, onto the actual episode this week. The Noah/Jude breakup really seemed to come totally out of nowhere, though I can't say I'm terribly broken up about it. I was into them for the first couple of episodes this season, but oddly, the episode in which Noah does the story on Jude and presses Jude about Zero and Jude clams up and gets upset about it, for some reason that kind of killed my interest in the two of them. "You're too secretive, I can't love you" was a pretty low blow for someone that Noah knows has been badly hurt and abandoned. That said, the preview for next week had a moment of Noah saying something about having a big secret, which makes me wonder what else is going on. I'm kind of assuming that there's some other reason that Noah broke up with Jude.
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Post by justinate on Aug 23, 2018 7:16:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I just find this to be such an unreasonable position to take. How long is someone supposed to be "loyal" to a job? We have very little information here - unless someone else has some inside knowledge, we have no idea if Brent Antonello returned because he loves the show so much that he turned down other work for it or because he just didn't have anything else in his schedule. Likewise, we have no idea if Adam Senn didn't return because he had other commitments or because he just didn't feel like playing the part anymore. And even if it's the latter, I still can't really blame him. It's a job. Most people don't stay at one specific job forever. Whether he had a scheduling conflict or personal feelings about the show or character or he was just bored with the role and wanted to move on, I think it's completely unreasonable to expect that he absolutely should have come back - even after 7 months and an assumption that the show was done - and constantly lambaste him for it, just because we loved the character. It's a bummer, but he doesn't owe anything to the show or the fans. What I find unreasonable is the stance that, because Adam chose to exercise his right to leave the show, the show is to blame or that they should have also written out Jude/Brent. That's what got me riled up. Like I said, it's Adam's free choice to leave and as far as I'm concerned, out of sight = out of mind. But having to read a constant stream of BS about the show "firing" him (this is FALSE - it is a LIE) and negativity from Adam's fans who wish the show was cancelled because they dared to have Jude return without Zero (again, why should Brent lose his job on account of Adam's choice?) has driven me up the wall. For the LAST TIME: 1. ADAM SENN QUIT. 2. He was asked to return, HE chose not to. 3. It was HIS decision, and no one else's, which brought an end to Zude. 4. HE is responsible. There's no need to find someone else to blame. Ultimately, it's on Adam. 5. Despite Adam's choice, the show has maintained a strong gay presence with Brent continuing in the role and hiring Kristian as his love interest. They deserve kudos, not criticism, for that. And if there are fans who still want to maintain such blind loyalty to an actor who doesn't care about the show or his fandom, well, that's on them. But please understand and accept the basic FACTS presented above.
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Post by Hawthorne on Aug 23, 2018 8:10:59 GMT -5
I did some digging and discovered that the production schedule for both season 4 of HTF and Adam Senn's movie, Soul Sessions, conflicted. Both filmed in the final months of 2017. So Adam had to choose between the movie and HTF. He has the lead role in Soul Sessions and it's possible he'd already committed to it when HTF finally got renewed. Should he have chosen HTF? I enjoy HTF, but let's be honest - it's a rather silly, lightweight show with ever declining ratings. I think choosing a lead role in a movie was the smart decision. And he may not have had a choice if he'd already signed onto the movie when HTF was still in limbo.
I don't get why some people think Brent should have been fired so that they could imagine that Zude is off somewhere living happily ever after. That's silly.
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Post by sonia38 on Aug 23, 2018 22:35:55 GMT -5
Me too. It’s just so hard watching Jude move on. I hate that Adam Senn chose not to come back (whatever his reasons) but I'm glad that the show has crafted a new storyline and love interest for Brent Antonello. It wouldn't have been fair for him to lose his job over another actor's refusal to return. The show has done a good job in continuing to showcase its original gay character in his own story and a sexy new couple, which both Brent and Kristian Kordula are fully committed, as proven by their multiple steamy scenes. IMO, Brent and the showrunners deserve more loyalty and support than the actor who turned his back on Zude's many fans. Multiple steamy scenes or not, the show is not the same and the dismal ratings proves it. I doubt it’ll be renewed and that’s sad. They had a great ending the last season they should have left well enough alone and let sleeping dogs lie. New season, no Zero, no Asha, it was bound to fail.
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Post by sunshine0786 on Aug 23, 2018 22:58:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I just find this to be such an unreasonable position to take. How long is someone supposed to be "loyal" to a job? We have very little information here - unless someone else has some inside knowledge, we have no idea if Brent Antonello returned because he loves the show so much that he turned down other work for it or because he just didn't have anything else in his schedule. Likewise, we have no idea if Adam Senn didn't return because he had other commitments or because he just didn't feel like playing the part anymore. And even if it's the latter, I still can't really blame him. It's a job. Most people don't stay at one specific job forever. Whether he had a scheduling conflict or personal feelings about the show or character or he was just bored with the role and wanted to move on, I think it's completely unreasonable to expect that he absolutely should have come back - even after 7 months and an assumption that the show was done - and constantly lambaste him for it, just because we loved the character. It's a bummer, but he doesn't owe anything to the show or the fans. What I find unreasonable is the stance that, because Adam chose to exercise his right to leave the show, the show is to blame or that they should have also written out Jude/Brent. That's what got me riled up. Like I said, it's Adam's free choice to leave and as far as I'm concerned, out of sight = out of mind. But having to read a constant stream of BS about the show "firing" him (this is FALSE - it is a LIE) and negativity from Adam's fans who wish the show was cancelled because they dared to have Jude return without Zero (again, why should Brent lose his job on account of Adam's choice?) has driven me up the wall. For the LAST TIME: 1. ADAM SENN QUIT. 2. He was asked to return, HE chose not to. 3. It was HIS decision, and no one else's, which brought an end to Zude. 4. HE is responsible. There's no need to find someone else to blame. Ultimately, it's on Adam. 5. Despite Adam's choice, the show has maintained a strong gay presence with Brent continuing in the role and hiring Kristian as his love interest. They deserve kudos, not criticism, for that. And if there are fans who still want to maintain such blind loyalty to an actor who doesn't care about the show or his fandom, well, that's on them. But please understand and accept the basic FACTS presented above. No one here has said Adam was fired or they think that Brent should have been fired to give Zude a happy ending. Obviously you are hearing negativity regarding the whole situation in other places online and you are feeling protective of the cast and crew and in particular James and Brent. That's not Adam's fault, that's internet people doing what internet people do best, be angry and criticize based on nothing but speculation and no real fact. Adam got that too, when he was called a homophobe for quitting with no actual evidence. With most here defending Adam decision maybe you're feeling like that means we're attacking James for his decisions, but that's not what it seems like to me. I'm not choosing Adam's side over James or the cast of the show. If someone here was arguing the opposite and being all mad at James for writing Jude a new love interest I would defend that decision too. James had a job to do, and he had to figure out the best he can to give Jude's a story without Zero. He could have taken the easy route and had Jude leave with Zero, but he didn't. Could he have done a better job of creating a reason why Zude broke up, sure. Who knows, maybe we'll get more of an explanation in the finale. I personally think it's great that they brought in a new love interest for Jude. It would have sucked if they just had him wallow in his pain, or if they had Jude decide he just wanted to focus on his career. I'm interested to see how the season ends! My guess is, even though it seems like Jude and Noah's initial meeting was random it was actually intentional on Noah's part. The story that Noah was working on was a negative one about Jude or the devils. Maybe he was even placed there by Eve to get the scoop? But then Noah actually fell for Jude and couldn't bring himself to do something that would destroy Jude. That's why Noah broke up with him, because he was keeping that a secret. After Jude was so honest with Noah about the coke he probably couldn't look Jude in the eye and be with him when the whole time he was working for Eve. Or something along those lines. ]Multiple steamy scenes or not, the show is not the same and the dismal ratings proves it. I doubt it’ll be renewed and that’s sad. They had a great ending the last season they should have left well enough alone and let sleeping dogs lie. New season, no Zero, no Asha, it was bound to fail. From my understanding BET in general has lower ratings than VH1 and we have to look at the show in comparison to other BET shows and not to how it did on VH1. I don't know if that means it will be renewed, but it doesn't mean it won't either.
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