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Post by moonstruck-me on May 1, 2018 15:57:02 GMT -5
(Or better yet, let Adam Senn explain the (real) reason for his characters absence ) And what "real" reason would that be? It was stated that Adam had schedule conflicts to be part of season 4. And it's not like he hasn't been doing anything. He was part of a movie that was released this past December and there are two movies where he took part that haven't been released yet. And it's just not Adam, there's also this other girl who played one of the main roles and she won't be there either for the same reasons. I don't believe he was too busy, I just think he didn't want to be part of the show. But if HTF ever gets a season 5, I guess we'll see.
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Post by sunshine0786 on May 1, 2018 23:55:29 GMT -5
And what "real" reason would that be? It was stated that Adam had schedule conflicts to be part of season 4. And it's not like he hasn't been doing anything. He was part of a movie that was released this past December and there are two movies where he took part that haven't been released yet. And it's just not Adam, there's also this other girl who played one of the main roles and she won't be there either for the same reasons. I don't believe he was too busy, I just think he didn't want to be part of the show. But if HTF ever gets a season 5, I guess we'll see. I also think it's important to understand that the last episode aired in September 2016 and the show was renewed in April of 2017. That was 7 months of not knowing if that job was going to happen. Without the renewal there were also no filming dates on the calendar. So should he have waited around twiddling his thumbs until he heard the news? I definitely don't think so. If it were me I would be out looking for work like any other realist would. He probably was under the assumption, just like us, that the show wouldn't be back so he moved on. I don't fault him for that at all, regardless of if he were too busy or not.
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Post by Hawthorne on May 2, 2018 22:33:55 GMT -5
Yeah, the show was in limbo for a very long time and Adam is just one of several actors who moved on.
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Post by moonstruck-me on May 12, 2018 20:35:14 GMT -5
I don't believe he was too busy, I just think he didn't want to be part of the show. But if HTF ever gets a season 5, I guess we'll see. I also think it's important to understand that the last episode aired in September 2016 and the show was renewed in April of 2017. That was 7 months of not knowing if that job was going to happen. Without the renewal there were also no filming dates on the calendar. So should he have waited around twiddling his thumbs until he heard the news? I definitely don't think so. If it were me I would be out looking for work like any other realist would. He probably was under the assumption, just like us, that the show wouldn't be back so he moved on. I don't fault him for that at all, regardless of if he were too busy or not. I understand there was a long period of time between seasons - I never stated otherwise. And of course all the other actors went looking for work. I've seen Logan in Dear White People and Robert and Brent in Dynasty. I'm aware you just don't sit around and wait for your show to be renewed as an actor... I just believe, that some of the actors fought harder to be back on the show than others.. but like I said, maybe I'm wrong. But did Adam actually tweet or make a post about why he wouldn't be back? I can only remember James tweeting that he would let Adam answer why he wouldn't be back on the show..
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Post by jazz73 on May 20, 2018 4:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by moonstruck-me on Jun 19, 2018 14:32:43 GMT -5
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Post by jazz73 on Jun 29, 2018 9:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by milena84 on Jul 11, 2018 5:22:15 GMT -5
I also think it's important to understand that the last episode aired in September 2016 and the show was renewed in April of 2017. That was 7 months of not knowing if that job was going to happen. Without the renewal there were also no filming dates on the calendar. So should he have waited around twiddling his thumbs until he heard the news? I definitely don't think so. If it were me I would be out looking for work like any other realist would. He probably was under the assumption, just like us, that the show wouldn't be back so he moved on. I don't fault him for that at all, regardless of if he were too busy or not. I understand there was a long period of time between seasons - I never stated otherwise. And of course all the other actors went looking for work. I've seen Logan in Dear White People and Robert and Brent in Dynasty. I'm aware you just don't sit around and wait for your show to be renewed as an actor... I just believe, that some of the actors fought harder to be back on the show than others.. but like I said, maybe I'm wrong. But did Adam actually tweet or make a post about why he wouldn't be back? I can only remember James tweeting that he would let Adam answer why he wouldn't be back on the show.. Someone on tumblr said, that Adam converted and became a new born christ and therefore isn`t allowed anymore to play gay. I have no idea if there is any truth to it.
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Post by scmian on Jul 11, 2018 15:49:43 GMT -5
Season premiere had bad ratings this is probably the last season. Last night had 483,000 viewers compared to season 3 debut had 1.35 million. I guess when you have a show off the air for almost 2 years people will forget.
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Post by hfolk on Jul 11, 2018 17:02:58 GMT -5
not to mention they killed off a main character in the first episode and are missing some others
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 11, 2018 22:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 11, 2018 23:28:26 GMT -5
Season premiere had bad ratings this is probably the last season. Last night had 483,000 viewers compared to season 3 debut had 1.35 million. I guess when you have a show off the air for almost 2 years people will forget. That's actually higher than BET's average number of viewers and if most of those viewers are in the coveted 18-49 demographic, which seems likely for a show like HTF, then it is a pretty good performer for BET. The premiere episode was forced to do a lot of explaining why certain characters where missing and some still there. Didn't make for the best drama. Hopefully it gets better as the season progresses. It's still wonderfully trashy. Seems a little more racey than before. The explanation for Zero's absence made sense and leaves the door open for a potential return of Zero if Adam wants to and they get another season. I don't like the new pairing as much as Zude, but if they are going to make out a lot, I might get over it.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 12, 2018 8:09:35 GMT -5
I'm with you on the show still being wonderfully trashy and the premier suffering a bit from having to do a lot of exposition as well as set up for the rest of the season, so I expect that the drama will pick up a bit as the season goes on.
Disagree on Zero though - considering how the relationship had been built up and the fact that Zero was willing to risk his career to be with Jude openly, kiss him on national TV, build a house together, all of the talk about being each other's family, etc, I have trouble believing that he'd walk away from the relationship because Jude suggested marriage. Lionel's line that "Zero couldn't accept a lot of things about the relationship" just doesn't really jive with what we saw of him/them by the end of Season 3. I'm kind of hoping that there's a longer explanation at some point because that just doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm open to Jude/Noah, though. I'm not sure how I feel about them yet (though their sex scene was great) but I'm looking forward to seeing where the show goes with them.
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 14, 2018 19:08:58 GMT -5
Disagree on Zero though - considering how the relationship had been built up and the fact that Zero was willing to risk his career to be with Jude openly, kiss him on national TV, build a house together, all of the talk about being each other's family, etc, I have trouble believing that he'd walk away from the relationship because Jude suggested marriage. Lionel's line that "Zero couldn't accept a lot of things about the relationship" just doesn't really jive with what we saw of him/them by the end of Season 3. I'm kind of hoping that there's a longer explanation at some point because that just doesn't really make sense to me. That's true, but they had to come up with some explanation for why Jude and Zero were no longer together. At least the explanation they chose leaves open the possibility of a future reunion. Who knows, maybe the show will surprise us with a cliffhanger appearance by Zero in the final episode of the season. Dean Cain made a guest appearance, so maybe Adam Senn will as well. I actually think that Zero being uncomfortable with the relationship is a lot more realistic than what they showed in season 3. Zero kissing Jude on national TV made for a great moment, but they leapfrogged over several stages of self-acceptance to have Zero do that. And afterwards, Zude was shuffled off into their own isolated bubble within the show's story. All we got from them for the rest of the season was a series of "aren't they cute!" scenes. It would have been a better story and more realistic if Zero had been struggling with his new gay identity. After all, it can't be easy being the first out NBA star. The show didn't explore that angle at all. And it still annoys me that we never got a single scene of Zero's teammates accepting him. So I guess I feel that Zero being uncomfortable with being married to a man is consistent with the way Zero should have been portrayed in season 3.
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Post by justinate on Jul 15, 2018 9:34:31 GMT -5
I hope the showrunners make it clear that it was Adam Senn's choice to walk. There seem to be a lot of misinformed 'fans' (who, despite being self-professed fans, can't seem to follow the news) who believe the show fired him/didn't ask him to return. There are also the selfish ones who feel Brent Antonello should have lost his job just because they wanted Zude to end up together but since Adam wouldn't return, they both had to be written out.
I don't blame the show for slapping together a questionable backstory as to why Zero is no longer on the show. They had to make lemonade out of the lemon they were handed by Adam Senn. At least they kept Zero alive - if it had been me, I would've been tempted to kill him off, LOL.
I'm curious to see where the show goes with Nude (it's a cute nickname and less creepy than using it for the other gay couple named Jude and Noah - on The Fosters). Boy, the actors really went for it with their sex scene. The part where Noah shoves his hands down the back of Jude's pants - hot damn! I was afraid the show would back away from the steamy scenes on a new network but I'm so glad they are intact - if anything, they're steamier than ever!
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Post by nlklinh on Jul 15, 2018 13:52:25 GMT -5
I hope the showrunners make it clear that it was Adam Senn's choice to walk. There seem to be a lot of misinformed 'fans' (who, despite being self-professed fans, can't seem to follow the news) who believe the show fired him/didn't ask him to return. There are also the selfish ones who feel Brent Antonello should have lost his job just because they wanted Zude to end up together but since Adam wouldn't return, they both had to be written out. I don't blame the show for slapping together a questionable backstory as to why Zero is no longer on the show. They had to make lemonade out of the lemon they were handed by Adam Senn. At least they kept Zero alive - if it had been me, I would've been tempted to kill him off, LOL. I'm curious to see where the show goes with Nude (it's a cute nickname and less creepy than using it for the other gay couple named Jude and Noah - on The Fosters). Boy, the actors really went for it with their sex scene. The part where Noah shoves his hands down the back of Jude's pants - hot damn! I was afraid the show would back away from the steamy scenes on a new network but I'm so glad they are intact - if anything, they're steamier than ever! => I think James just did after reaching his breaking point bout Adam and Zude negative comment. Some fans really dont know when to stop and move on. Except the nonsense breaking up reason, i was satisfied with the first ep, look forward to seeing how James developing Noah and Jude storyline, I hope he didnt write the same old path as he did with Zude, we all need something fresh rn. And the sex scene was hot af, when Noah put his fingers up Jude's ass, OMG. Idk, i dont think Noah met Jude by accident, it doesnt make sense when he works in sport world and had no idead who Jude was. Even if he hadnt known The Devils EVP, at least he would have known Jude via Zero national coming out, maybe he was up to sth
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jul 15, 2018 15:34:02 GMT -5
=> I think James just did after reaching his breaking point bout Adam and Zude negative comment. Some fans really dont know when to stop and move on. Except the nonsense breaking up reason, i was satisfied with the first ep, look forward to seeing how James developing Noah and Jude storyline, I hope he didnt write the same old path as he did with Zude, we all need something fresh rn. And the sex scene was hot af, when Noah put his fingers up Jude's ass, OMG. Idk, i dont think Noah met Jude by accident, it doesnt make sense when he works in sport world and had no idead who Jude was. Even if he hadnt known The Devils EVP, at least he would have known Jude via Zero national coming out, maybe he was up to sth I agree it was odd that Noah didn't (or acted like he didn't) know who Jude was. I doubt it was a planned setup because Noah was already in the store when Jude walked in. One possibility is that once Jude was already at his apartment Noah could have just used the situation hoping for some insider information in the future. Second possibility is that it was an oversight on the writers part, or they were hoping viewers wouldn't think too much about that part.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 15, 2018 21:33:14 GMT -5
I actually think that Zero being uncomfortable with the relationship is a lot more realistic than what they showed in season 3. Zero kissing Jude on national TV made for a great moment, but they leapfrogged over several stages of self-acceptance to have Zero do that. And afterwards, Zude was shuffled off into their own isolated bubble within the show's story. All we got from them for the rest of the season was a series of "aren't they cute!" scenes. It would have been a better story and more realistic if Zero had been struggling with his new gay identity. After all, it can't be easy being the first out NBA star. The show didn't explore that angle at all. And it still annoys me that we never got a single scene of Zero's teammates accepting him. So I guess I feel that Zero being uncomfortable with being married to a man is consistent with the way Zero should have been portrayed in season 3. I agree with this - I'm so, so into a story exploring the difficulties in being an LGBT professional athlete and how hard it would be to come out after spending your life hiding that part of yourself. If we put Hit the Floor in the context of real life (which you can't really do considering how silly and soapy the show is, but go with me here), Zero would've been the first active professional athlete in one of the four major U.S. sports to come out, but the show made it all seem pretty easy - one episode of Zero dealing with the initial fallout and then kind of nothing after that. I wish they'd delved a bit more into it all. And Zero just being the character he is/was, he had a lot of his own hangups even aside from his sexuality and anxieties about his career. I think it would've made more sense to draw out his storyline, his acceptance of his relationship with Jude and coming out a lot more. That said, since they did depict him as being okay being out, as being totally comfortable with the relationship and devoted to Jude, I wish they'd found a way to write his exit that would follow with that. It's funny, I kind of get the sense that they sped up the pace of the Zude relationship in Season 3 (especially the wedding special) because it wasn't clear that they'd get another season, so they rushed the characters into a Happily Ever After... and then they did get another season, so now they kind of have to walk back from that. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually wish they'd killed Zero off - I loved Zero and loved Zude, but I would've found that a more believable and compelling explanation for his absence (although who knows, there may be more to the story than what they've told us so far). It's completely crazy that people are so bent out of shape over this, though. It's a bummer when a pairing you like breaks up, but the writers can only do what they can do and I'd rather see Jude hooking up with some new (hot!) guy than alone and celibate all season or something. I can't even blame Adam Senn - it was a long time between seasons, they didn't know that they were even going to get another season, and people have to do what they have to do. Whatever the reason he didn't come back, I can't really blame someone for moving on to something new. I also found it really weird that Noah wouldn't know who Jude is, but I'm choosing to believe that they didn't exchange last names when they hooked up and once he finds out that Jude is Jude Kincaid then he'll be like "oh shit, right, Jude Kincaid, you're that guy that Zero kissed on national TV! I knew you looked familiar!"
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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 17, 2018 23:31:58 GMT -5
I was on the fence about Jude/Noah in the first episode, but I really enjoyed them in tonight's ep. Noah has a bit more personality and seems like a fun character, and I like how genuinely charmed he seems by Jude. I can't imagine how a serious relationship could work between them, though, especially with Jude now owning the team. Speaking of which, I'm really intrigued by that development and seeing where that goes. Lionel's "your Kincaid is showing" line seemed like a bit of foreshadowing - I wonder if Jude'll go a little darker with this new power. That could be really interesting, but I wouldn't want him to go too dark.
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 18, 2018 6:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by Hawthorne on Jul 18, 2018 18:34:39 GMT -5
So Logan Browning (Jelena) was just guesting as well. I'm sorry to see her go. I enjoyed Jelena. I did find it dubious that one of the team's cheerleaders became the owner, though. Jude isn't much more realistic. Where did he get the money to buy a billion dollar sports franchise? (Did he inherit money from his father? We haven't been given the impression that he's now super rich.)
I also have a hard time seeing Noah as a long term thing for Jude. Interesting that Jude is now in a position to trade for Zero. He could bring him back to L.A. against his will. I'm becoming more suspicious that Adam Senn might make a guest appearance this season.
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Post by hfolk on Jul 18, 2018 18:55:52 GMT -5
So Logan Browning (Jelena) was just guesting as well. I'm sorry to see her go. I enjoyed Jelena. I did find it dubious that one of the team's cheerleaders became the owner, though. Jude isn't much more realistic. Where did he get the money to buy a billion dollar sports franchise? (Did he inherit money from his father? We haven't been given the impression that he's now super rich.) I also have a hard time seeing Noah as a long term thing for Jude. Interesting that Jude is now in a position to trade for Zero. He could bring him back to L.A. against his will. I'm becoming more suspicious that Adam Senn might make a guest appearance this season. I'm not surprised she was just guesting, I was surprised she came back in the first place
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Post by deepdarkmidnight on Jul 19, 2018 14:33:34 GMT -5
The sex scenes have been nice, even though I find the kissing a bit awkward. One can compare the lesbian scene vs the gay one, and the lesbian one was more appealing to be honest.
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Post by milena84 on Jul 20, 2018 18:05:31 GMT -5
So Logan Browning (Jelena) was just guesting as well. I'm sorry to see her go. I enjoyed Jelena. I did find it dubious that one of the team's cheerleaders became the owner, though. Jude isn't much more realistic. Where did he get the money to buy a billion dollar sports franchise? (Did he inherit money from his father? We haven't been given the impression that he's now super rich.) I also have a hard time seeing Noah as a long term thing for Jude. Interesting that Jude is now in a position to trade for Zero. He could bring him back to L.A. against his will. I'm becoming more suspicious that Adam Senn might make a guest appearance this season. I doubt that. There is this rumor that Adam Senn became a newborn christian and didn`t return because of that. Now the show runner has made it very clear that Adam didn`t want to return, which makes me believe that the rumors are sadly true
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Post by sunshine0786 on Jul 20, 2018 19:40:04 GMT -5
So Logan Browning (Jelena) was just guesting as well. I'm sorry to see her go. I enjoyed Jelena. I did find it dubious that one of the team's cheerleaders became the owner, though. Jude isn't much more realistic. Where did he get the money to buy a billion dollar sports franchise? (Did he inherit money from his father? We haven't been given the impression that he's now super rich.) I also have a hard time seeing Noah as a long term thing for Jude. Interesting that Jude is now in a position to trade for Zero. He could bring him back to L.A. against his will. I'm becoming more suspicious that Adam Senn might make a guest appearance this season. I doubt that. There is this rumor that Adam Senn became a newborn christian and didn`t return because of that. Now the show runner has made it very clear that Adam didn`t want to return, which makes me believe that the rumors are sadly true Can you point to the article that states this rumour, or any other evidence of this? I've only read it stated here. Just because an actor doesn't want to return to a role doesn't make them a bigot. It happens all the time in tv.
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