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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 7, 2015 6:43:36 GMT -5
I just wanted to punch the guy in the wheelchair. Ugh! Lol I didn't, I think he is the voice of a segment of the audience who sees Patrick and Kevin as ridiculous. They're both trying too hard to make this work because of how it started. I think we and Patrick are going to find out that it wasn't Kevin's decision to leave Jon, that Jon figured out what was going on and dumped his lying, manipulative, cheating ass. And as soon as Jon shows any hint of wanting him back Patrick will be unceremoniously kicked to the curb, because on his own Kevin would never have chosen him. Kevin does what is best and easiest for Kevin. Patrick is not the love of his life, he's just the thrill of the moment. I bet we find out that this is a pattern for Kevin and Jon, and that Patrick is just another in a long line of guys that Kevin has bedded and will leave once Jon forgives him. Kevin is also not the love of Patrick's life. He hasn't met that guy yet. I'm not sure, if this is something that Jon has dealt in the past with Kevin, but I do think that, him moving to another state to be with his man, while said man was actively pursuing and cheating on him for months, with somebody else, was the last thing that Jon could tolerate. I don't even think that Jon would want Kevin back. I think that it'll just be Patrick, seeing how wrong he and Kevin are together, that will cause things to end. That guy was rude, but folks don't want to see how wrong things are between them and don't want to view scenes of others (including complete strangers), making negative comments about the couple. Even with them wearing matching outfits and the other person's clothes. I was reading this opinion piece, about "shipping" and it was based on Patrick and the "love triangle" with Kevin and Richie. Here's the link: grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/not-so-bizarre-love-triangle-the-complicated-love-story-at-the-heart-of-looking/This person, basically said that this season's love story centered around Patrick, is about him, finally trying to figure out what he wants for himself. Patrick's going to pull a Kelly move, from 90210 and not end up with Kevin nor Richie at the end of this season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 12:54:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the links on all of this.
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Post by dalia on Mar 7, 2015 19:33:08 GMT -5
i heart Raul Castillo too <3
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 8, 2015 21:56:48 GMT -5
The Kevin and Patrick pairing is going to crash and burn in the season finale. The conversation between Richie and Patrick, revealed way too much about his reasons for wanting to be with Kevin. He's "all in" with Kevin, because Richie told him that he wasn't ready to be with him, all those months ago. Richie, Richie, Richie. Take a page from the Dowager from Downton Abbey, leave the past in the past. Agustin, going to Dom, with his panic about his guy, was a nice way to show that those two are friends, without needing Patrick as the buffer. Dom is feeling lost, without Doris, but he's not trying to make her feel guilty about it, for now. Recap from AV Club www.avclub.com/tvclub/looking-looking-glory-216259"Make no mistake: If the producers wanted to hit the high notes with a “Looking For The Future” sequel, they could have. This one starts with that memorable set-up and builds to a point where Patrick blurts out, “I love you” and gets an “I love you, too.” But Patrick’s excitement about Richie throwing a condom at his face is more palpable than his infatuation here with Kevin. “Looking For Glory” is a bomb shelter designed to honor the force of Patrick’s infatuation while protecting us from feeling it ourselves."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 22:12:49 GMT -5
I’m really glad Richie appeared for more than 3 minutes, but why oh why won’t they let him actually move on from Patrick? Let Patrick and Kevin have their honeymoon phase and first ever “I love yous” and happily ever after (ha ha), in their little corner. I already think he’s got next to nothing to gain from being around Patrick at this point, but being around Patrick and obviously still pining despite having his own boyfriend is worse for me. It's getting sad how much I increasingly don't want to see even the slightest indication of hope for them back together. Was this the episode where we were supposed to feel sorry for Kevin and the Patrick/Kevin couple for being so judged by everyone and still overcoming it all with their unbending love? Okay. So much to root for, so little time. Seriously though, the way they're telling this story in full and the speed at which Patrick and Kevin are checking all the boxes for their 'romance' tell us everything we need to know about its depth and fate. Will Dom ever catch a break? Man, I’d really appreciate some kind of long-term contentment for this guy. Literally all glimmers of hope he had at the end of last season are crashing down this season. Agustin’s reaction was expected, but it’s still refreshing to see him put effort into something and someone. Nice to finally see Dom and Agustin alone together and sharing as well.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 8, 2015 23:12:32 GMT -5
I’m really glad Richie appeared for more than 3 minutes, but why oh why won’t they let him actually move on from Patrick? Let Patrick and Kevin have their honeymoon phase and first ever “I love yous” and happily ever after (ha ha), in their little corner. I already think he’s got next to nothing to gain from being around Patrick at this point, but being around Patrick and obviously still pining despite having his own boyfriend is worse for me. It's getting sad how much I increasingly don't want to see even the slightest indication of hope for them back together.Was this the episode where we were supposed to feel sorry for Kevin and the Patrick/Kevin couple for being so judged by everyone and still overcoming it all with their unbending love? Okay. So much to root for, so little time. Seriously though, the way they're telling this story in full and the speed at which Patrick and Kevin are checking all the boxes for their 'romance' tell us everything we need to know about its depth and fate.Will Dom ever catch a break? Man, I’d really appreciate some kind of long-term contentment for this guy. Literally all glimmers of hope he had at the end of last season are crashing down this season.Agustin’s reaction was expected, but it’s still refreshing to see him put effort into something and someone. Nice to finally see Dom and Agustin alone together and sharing as well. Agustin is trying to not sabotage his life anymore, by a admitting that he got scared and knowing that he's the one, that has to make an effort with Eddie. Dom, has to get through this time, without the daily support and guidance from Doris. It's a scary place to be, but I think that he's ready to keep his goal. The thing about Richie, choosing to be Patrick’s friend is two fold: He wants to be in his life, but it also pisses him off, that Patrick's willing to be "all in", with Kevin, who has previously been involved with another man. I think, that Richie still feels, that Patrick somehow chose to not be with, due to his status as a barber and a working class Mexican. That somehow, Patrick thought that it would be "easier" to be with somebody like Kevin, over being with him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 23:55:55 GMT -5
The thing about Richie, choosing to be Patrick’s friend is two fold: He wants to be in his life, but it also pisses him off, that Patrick's willing to be "all in", with Kevin, who has previously been involved with another man. I think, that Richie still feels, that Patrick somehow chose to not be with, due to his status as a barber and a working class Mexican. That somehow, Patrick thought that it would be "easier" to be with somebody like Kevin, over being with him. The truth is, while like I said, I don't enjoy the emotional impact of that on Richie, that is one thing I haven’t had a problem with from a purely pragmatic standpoint. I think that started to get to Richie more not so much when Patrick told him he was seeing Kevin, but the moment Patrick told him that he slept with Kevin that night. So one side effect of him being around Patrick and Kevin I’ve been telling myself I’d appreciate is Richie getting the full picture of what’s plain to see about Patrick and some of his preset inclinations, and then actually moving on with more conviction, not just being the one to pick up the pieces. Because even considering being with Patrick again entails more than having real feelings and making sure not to be a rebound. Aside from that, I continue to find the Patrick/Kevin relationship honestly amusing. For real, throughout their entire run so far, from the affair to the ‘love’ story, the level of delusion and phantasmagoria has been outstanding. They should just move to a remote island – with no judgmental and grounded Richie around to make Patrick stutter – in order to keep their love as pure as they seem to think it is. It’s like they never fully want to allow reality become the necessary part of their relationship it should be until it comes reeling in with the subtlety of a bulldozer. I also liked that we saw all main characters in this episode. This show still has so much to say that I just don’t want it to end yet.
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Post by dalia on Mar 9, 2015 0:40:47 GMT -5
i know there are a lot of people that enjoy Kevin/Patrick. i, do not. just ugh.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 9, 2015 6:13:09 GMT -5
The thing about Richie, choosing to be Patrick’s friend is two fold: He wants to be in his life, but it also pisses him off, that Patrick's willing to be "all in", with Kevin, who has previously been involved with another man. I think, that Richie still feels, that Patrick somehow chose to not be with, due to his status as a barber and a working class Mexican. That somehow, Patrick thought that it would be "easier" to be with somebody like Kevin, over being with him. The truth is, while like I said, I don't enjoy the emotional impact of that on Richie, that is one thing I haven’t had a problem with from a purely pragmatic standpoint. I think that started to get to Richie more not so much when Patrick told him he was seeing Kevin, but the moment Patrick told him that he slept with Kevin that night. So one side effect of him being around Patrick and Kevin I’ve been telling myself I’d appreciate is Richie getting the full picture of what’s plain to see about Patrick and some of his preset inclinations, and then actually moving on with more conviction, not just being the one to pick up the pieces. Because even considering being with Patrick again entails more than having real feelings and making sure not to be a rebound. Aside from that, I continue to find the Patrick/Kevin relationship honestly amusing. For real, throughout their entire run so far, from the affair to the ‘love’ story, the level of delusion and phantasmagoria has been outstanding. They should just move to a remote island – with no judgmental and grounded Richie around to make Patrick stutter – in order to keep their love as pure as they seem to think it is. It’s like they never fully want to allow reality become the necessary part of their relationship it should be until it comes reeling in with the subtlety of a bulldozer.I also liked that we saw all main characters in this episode. This show still has so much to say that I just don’t want it to end yet. I continue to hope, that with Richie, seeing what his friend Patrick has chosen to do, will help keep him, from thinking and believing, if he just gives him, one more try, things will get better, for a possible new romantic relationship. Like Richie was the one, who gave up on Patrick and their relationship, way too fast. I'm excited to see what happens in the next episode, when Patrick's back around his family and his sister. She's so pissed off at him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 7:28:18 GMT -5
Patrick said his sister was pissed at him for breaking up Jon and Kevin. So I guess Kevin did do the breaking up? Jon must of ran and told her the whole thing.
I actually forgot Jon and Patrick's sister were friends. lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 8:45:09 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Jon is a good friend of her husband. I guess we’ll see collateral repercussions of an affair that the people in it sometimes shelter themselves from. Brady is obviously also a more fun drunk than Patrick. Funny how he was the conduit for Richie’s indirect shots at Patrick. Simultaneously, Patrick’s statement about taking a chance with Kevin because last time he was told he wasn’t ready was a less implicit shot at Richie. I thought the video game was also an interesting allegory for Patrick and Kevin, aka what is wrong with the gay community. The game was judged for its propensity for superficial classism and putting groups of people in shallow preset boxes, then making them compete. And of course ever self-involved Patrick and Kevin, the couple that fits in the same box to the point of sharing clothes and apparently looking like brothers, aren’t going to let those people and their worldly issues doubt or undo what they dreamingly created (with a dodgy premise) and feel proud of. Their little fantasy world bubble that Patrick was in such a rush to get out there shall withstand. We’ll just have to see what it is they won’t be able to brush off. But maybe we’re being too cynical and these two crazy kids will prove us and those naysayers wrong.
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Post by LadyArmand on Mar 9, 2015 9:05:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry but how can anyone honestly believe that Richie is the one who gave up on his relationship with Patrick too quickly. It was obvious from the beginning that Patrick had issues with his relationship with Richie, their differences in background being the main issue. On top of that when he talked to Patrick that infamous night, he didn't know that Patrick had cheated on him, so he was right that Patrick wasn't ready to be all in with him if he could so easily fall in bed with the next man. What people expected Richie to stand around and wait for Patrick to make up his damned mind about who and what he wanted. Like Richie is some kind of dog waiting for a pat on the head or for Patrick to throw him a bone. Please...(rolls eyes so hard I've gotten a headache) In the state of mind Patrick was and continues to be in, Richie was going to lose that battle because he's not nor as he ever been the type of man Patrick ever saw himself with. And instead of trying to embrace all of who Richie was and is, he kept looking for the next best thing and ended up being someone's side piece and now he thinks that can really turn into a fully functional relationship simply because he wants it to. Good luck with that.
Richie in this instance is like the Greek chorus, he is the voice of reason that Dom and Augustine have not been. He's the one who holds up the mirror to Patrick and says take a real good look at yourself and what you're doing.
Patrick wants to be "all in" with Kevin not because he loves him so much or loves him at all, but because he screwed up something with Richie that he can't get back (even if something were to happen between them down the line) it will never be the same. So he's ticking all the boxes with Kevin in the hopes that it will work out but both of them are being delusional (which is why they have such thin skins about people talking negatively about them as a couple)when it comes to one another. What they are attracted to in each other is idealized and will quickly fade now that Jon is no longer in the picture. Kevin obviously wanted out of his relationship and didn't have the balls or decency to tell Jon before he uprooted his entire live to follow this loser. And Patrick sees in Kevin all the things he thinks he supposed to want in a man. He has wealth and status and let's not forget the damned British accent. But it's all glass and mirrors, what they have in an illusion, what they share is based on a lie. The foundation of their relationship is based on hurting two men who for all intents and purposes were actually good for them. So what exactly does that make them?
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 9, 2015 10:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by talula on Mar 9, 2015 16:28:28 GMT -5
wow! there is a lot happened in latest episode,must to say Patrick and Kevin have an insane sexual chemistry and i couldn't help but was trilled with their scenes together,but they're clearly rushing things up, especially Patrick, he is fooling himself with all this 'great love for Kevin' , he is in lust with Kevin ,not in love,i think he still in love with Richie, that's why he desperately trying to proof he is 'ready',and Richie is still very much in love with Patrick too,i still want them to find their way to each other. But first Patrick should grow up and realize what he really wants.
never liked Brady and last episode just strengthened my dislike to him,hope Richie will dump him
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 9, 2015 19:40:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry but how can anyone honestly believe that Richie is the one who gave up on his relationship with Patrick too quickly. It was obvious from the beginning that Patrick had issues with his relationship with Richie, their differences in background being the main issue. On top of that when he talked to Patrick that infamous night, he didn't know that Patrick had cheated on him, so he was right that Patrick wasn't ready to be all in with him if he could so easily fall in bed with the next man. What people expected Richie to stand around and wait for Patrick to make up his damned mind about who and what he wanted. Like Richie is some kind of dog waiting for a pat on the head or for Patrick to throw him a bone. Please...(rolls eyes so hard I've gotten a headache) In the state of mind Patrick was and continues to be in, Richie was going to lose that battle because he's not nor as he ever been the type of man Patrick ever saw himself with. And instead of trying to embrace all of who Richie was and is, he kept looking for the next best thing and ended up being someone's side piece and now he thinks that can really turn into a fully functional relationship simply because he wants it to. Good luck with that. Richie in this instance is like the Greek chorus, he is the voice of reason that Dom and Augustine have not been. He's the one who holds up the mirror to Patrick and says take a real good look at yourself and what you're doing. Patrick wants to be "all in" with Kevin not because he loves him so much or loves him at all, but because he screwed up something with Richie that he can't get back (even if something were to happen between them down the line) it will never be the same. So he's ticking all the boxes with Kevin in the hopes that it will work out but both of them are being delusional (which is why they have such thin skins about people talking negatively about them as a couple)when it comes to one another. What they are attracted to in each other is idealized and will quickly fade now that Jon is no longer in the picture. Kevin obviously wanted out of his relationship and didn't have the balls or decency to tell Jon before he uprooted his entire live to follow this loser. And Patrick sees in Kevin all the things he thinks he supposed to want in a man. He has wealth and status and let's not forget the damned British accent. But it's all glass and mirrors, what they have in an illusion, what they share is based on a lie. The foundation of their relationship is based on hurting two men who for all intents and purposes were actually good for them. So what exactly does that make them? I think it's something, that a majority of the viewership doesn't want to acknowledge about how Patrick has behaved during this time and I applaud the creators and writers for this show, in exploring the really ugly side of how expectations, keeps you from actually establishimg a connection that would work for you. Richie, when he's not being accused of being the "Magical Saintly Mexican", he's the "judgemental jerk", who cannot understand and forgive Patrick for breaking his heart. I just don't get it. How is Richie supposed to behave? Like it didn't matter, that Patrick had a panic attack, because he invited Richie to his sister's wedding? Or, that it doesn't matter, that Patrick feels that it's easier for him to be with someone, who is his boss, who just got out of a two year long relationship with another man. Like, that shouldn't really matter to Richie?
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 10, 2015 8:54:19 GMT -5
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Post by sunshine0786 on Mar 10, 2015 10:19:55 GMT -5
Patrick said his sister was pissed at him for breaking up Jon and Kevin. So I guess Kevin did do the breaking up? Jon must of ran and told her the whole thing. I actually forgot Jon and Patrick's sister were friends. lol I still think Jon did the breaking up. Jon broke up with Kevin because he realized that Kevin had been cheating on him with Patrick, which is what Kevin told Patrick's sister (or her husband?).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 22:38:13 GMT -5
I haven’t really cared who did the breaking up. Either wouldn’t surprise me, I’m just glad that Jon got out. Kevin has just seemed like someone with an eye or foot constantly out. While with Jon, he was constantly whining about his relationship and hitting on Patrick who later became his little escape. He would have been perfectly fine with Jon at home and Patrick on the side if there hadn’t been an ultimatum. Now he’s with Patrick, the one who just based on the affair, should know how he is. But who needs a reality check when you have such a perfect love to tire out all of the long lost or never experienced teenage romance tropes with?
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Post by sunshine0786 on Mar 10, 2015 23:39:57 GMT -5
I haven’t really cared who did the breaking up. Either wouldn’t surprise me, I’m just glad that Jon got out. Kevin has just seemed like someone with an eye or foot constantly out. While with Jon, he was constantly whining about his relationship and hitting on Patrick who later became his little escape. He would have been perfectly fine with Jon at home and Patrick on the side if there hadn’t been an ultimatum. Now he’s with Patrick, the one who just based on the affair, should know how he is. But who needs a reality check when you have such a perfect love to tire out all of the long lost or never experienced teenage romance tropes with? I'm interested in who did the breaking up because of Kevin's narrative and how it affects Patrick and how he proceeds in the relationship. If Jon broke up with Kevin, then Kevin's entire relationship with Patrick is built on a lie, and Patrick is really Kevin's second choice. How Patrick responds to that information is different to how he would respond to something he already knew, which is that he is the reason for the split. His sister could just give him a wake up call and call him out for being the homewrecker he is, and that could prompt him to end it with Kevin. Or he could stick to the status quo, and not care about how his actions effect others. If Jon broke up with Kevin and Patrick's sister alerts him to that piece of information that could lead Patrick to end it with Kevin because he doesn't want to be someone's second choice (or he could stay with Kevin because he has zero self-worth which I don't see happening because lame). Either way, in my opinion the person who did the breaking up has an affect on Patrick and therefore effects the outcome of the relationship. You're right, though, that the love isn't real, it's an infatuation that would easily end without knowing who broke up with whom, but I think there is a truth that will come out before it has time to fizzle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 0:20:47 GMT -5
I'm interested in who did the breaking up because of Kevin's narrative and how it affects Patrick and how he proceeds in the relationship. If Jon broke up with Kevin, then Kevin's entire relationship with Patrick is built on a lie, and Patrick is really Kevin's second choice. That’s already part of their foundation. Your point is more than fair and I completely understand where you’re coming from, but for me it would just add to the stuff that still should surprise no one, least of all Patrick. Lying to others, each other and themselves has been a constant with this pairing.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 11, 2015 0:30:15 GMT -5
I haven’t really cared who did the breaking up. Either wouldn’t surprise me, I’m just glad that Jon got out. Kevin has just seemed like someone with an eye or foot constantly out. While with Jon, he was constantly whining about his relationship and hitting on Patrick who later became his little escape. He would have been perfectly fine with Jon at home and Patrick on the side if there hadn’t been an ultimatum. Now he’s with Patrick, the one who just based on the affair, should know how he is. But who needs a reality check when you have such a perfect love to tire out all of the long lost or never experienced teenage romance tropes with?OMG...that's exactly what Patrick is doing with Kevin AND why some viewers are constantly saying "how cute" those scenes are between those two characters. They experienced "prom", the dinner at the "after prom", and the episode, in which Patrick stated that he never got to make out with anyone, underneath the bleachers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 6:29:19 GMT -5
Patrick said his sister was pissed at him for breaking up Jon and Kevin. So I guess Kevin did do the breaking up? Jon must of ran and told her the whole thing. I actually forgot Jon and Patrick's sister were friends. lol I still think Jon did the breaking up. Jon broke up with Kevin because he realized that Kevin had been cheating on him with Patrick, which is what Kevin told Patrick's sister (or her husband?). Why would Kevin tell Patrick's sister or husband anything. They are Jon's friends and I still think Kevin did the breaking up because if he didnt I would think Patrick's sister would have told him Jon broke it off. That's an easy lie for Patrick to catch.
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Post by LadyArmand on Mar 11, 2015 6:48:59 GMT -5
I still think Jon did the breaking up. Jon broke up with Kevin because he realized that Kevin had been cheating on him with Patrick, which is what Kevin told Patrick's sister (or her husband?). Why would Kevin tell Patrick's sister or husband anything. They are Jon's friends and I still think Kevin did the breaking up because if he didnt I would think Patrick's sister would have told him Jon broke it off. That's an easy lie for Patrick to catch. The thing is Patrick isn't now nor has he ever been looking to catch Kevin in any of the multitude of lies he as told and could have easily been caught in. Patrick has put on blinders when it comes to Kevin. And in so doing he has justified in his mind being the side piece because now he gets to have the manipulative prick for how ever long that lasts. You have the blind being led by the one eyed man and both are equally pathetic and worthy of nothing but ridicule. Being cute together or having all this so called chemistry doesn't justify the way these two men have treated the other people in their lives so that they can experience this "huge love".
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Post by sunshine0786 on Mar 11, 2015 7:23:31 GMT -5
Why would Kevin tell Patrick's sister or husband anything. They are Jon's friends and I still think Kevin did the breaking up because if he didnt I would think Patrick's sister would have told him Jon broke it off. That's an easy lie for Patrick to catch. I wrote that when I was tired, I meant Jon told her, not Kevin. His sister was told something, based on the preview.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 11, 2015 7:52:45 GMT -5
Why would Kevin tell Patrick's sister or husband anything. They are Jon's friends and I still think Kevin did the breaking up because if he didnt I would think Patrick's sister would have told him Jon broke it off. That's an easy lie for Patrick to catch. The thing is Patrick isn't now nor has he ever been looking to catch Kevin in any of the multitude of lies he as told and could have easily been caught in. Patrick has put on blinders when it comes to Kevin. And in so doing he has justified in his mind being the side piece because now he gets to have the manipulative prick for how ever long that lasts. You have the blind being led by the one eyed man and both are equally pathetic and worthy of nothing but ridicule. Being cute together or having all this so called chemistry doesn't justify the way these two men have treated the other people in their lives so that they can experience this "huge love".Agreed, especially on how Patrick has blinded himself to confronting Kevin's lies. Why did he get so upset, when he saw Kevin and Jon at the public market? Did he truly believe that those two hated being in each others presence? Patrick's been lying to himself for months.
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