|
Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 24, 2015 7:48:18 GMT -5
I am loving Brady and Richie together. I like that Brady is smart, talented and can hold his own with anyone. I like that he knows who he is and what and more importantly who he wants. And I like that Patrick is getting to see close up and personal how badly he fucked up by letting Richie go so he could be someone's piece on the side. Kevin is what he is, the point of all of this is whether or not Patrick will finally see and accept that and realize for good that he deserves better than Kevin, even if things end with Jon. Patrick's melt down to me was funny, because all of his wounds are self inflicted. He did all of this to himself. No you can't help who you fall for, but you can certainly help how you react. So for him to melt down over the fact that Richie is moving on with someone who is clearly better for him and that Kevin is standing pat struck me as funny.The meltdown was funny and I didn't get any sort of secondhand embarrassment from watching it happen. In fact, all three of the main characters have had their own breaking points, in how they've let their lives go, during these two seasons. Dom, in realizing that he let decades of his life go by, in this stagnant pattern of hot sex with guys, he wouldn't fall in love with, due to being so hurt in the past, by his former drug addicted boyfriend, that he gets the fire in his belly to try and start up his own restaurant. Agustin, in his need to see himself as more than one half of a couple and a failed artist, implodes his life, by keeping secrets and treating his man like trash, to the point that he destroyed their relationship. The meltdown had to happen and I want to see, what the last three episodes give us for these characters. Oh, Jonathan and Raul are participating in some event in Brooklyn, NY (at the Bell House) on March 9. I have to find the link for the event. Ask Me Another - NPR and WNYC hosted event. www.thebellhouseny.com/event/778237/
|
|
|
Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 25, 2015 16:05:40 GMT -5
|
|
dalia
Junior Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_yellow.png)
Max & Iago Forever
Posts: 387
|
Post by dalia on Feb 25, 2015 22:43:23 GMT -5
i'm watching the paley fest stream... the discussion is full of spoilers because the audience has seen up to episode 7.
|
|
|
Post by sunshine0786 on Feb 25, 2015 23:45:57 GMT -5
I hope what looks like is happening isn't actually happening. I know that makes no sense but I'm tired and I don't want to spoil things.
|
|
cheerios
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
If we could decide who we loved, it would be much simpler, but less magical.
Posts: 2,886
|
Post by cheerios on Feb 27, 2015 3:22:32 GMT -5
I was thinking about how long Jon and Kevin have been together. And I was wondering if Kevin even did end things with Jon or Jon ended things with Kevin for cheating on him. Would Kevin even be ready for a real relationship with Patrick considering that he just left a long term serious relationship? Or the face that his last relationship ended badly because he couldn't keep it in his pants? That Patrick and Kevin started as a fling behind Jon's back, would they ever be able to have something real and honest?
I still prefer Patrick with Richie more, they just get each other and Richie is so great. But I rather Richie be with Brady who wants him and only him. And for the small part I have seen they looked really happy together. Patrick is clearly jealous and still hung up on Richie though. But he brought this all on himself, he lost Richie and became Kevin's secret bit on the side. And now he seems to be filled with a lot of regret, unhappiness, and confusion.
|
|
|
Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 27, 2015 8:27:43 GMT -5
I was thinking about how long Jon and Kevin have been together. And I was wondering if Kevin even did end things with Jon or Jon ended things with Kevin for cheating on him. Would Kevin even be ready for a real relationship with Patrick considering that he just left a long term serious relationship? Or the face that his last relationship ended badly because he couldn't keep it in his pants? That Patrick and Kevin started as a fling behind Jon's back, would they ever be able to have something real and honest?I still prefer Patrick with Richie more, they just get each other and Richie is so great. But I rather Richie be with Brady who wants him and only him. And for the small part I have seen they looked really happy together. Patrick is clearly jealous and still hung up on Richie though. But he brought this all on himself, he lost Richie and became Kevin's secret bit on the side. And now he seems to be filled with a lot of regret, unhappiness, and confusion. I know that this is speculation talk on what may or may not happen, but all of the above really does make me wonder if at the end of this season, Patrick decides to truly end things with Kevin once and for all, because he realizes that he's not happy with his life. I still don't think that Kevin will be the one to end his relationship with Jon. I think Jon will be the one, to end it, because he'll get tired of Kevin not being honest with him. Patrick, will seem to be happy, for a minute and then reality will slap him in the face again. Once he finally gets, what he says he wants, will he be ready for it? Will Kevin truly want to be Patrick's, after his two plus years relationship with Jon has ended?
|
|
cheerios
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
If we could decide who we loved, it would be much simpler, but less magical.
Posts: 2,886
|
Post by cheerios on Feb 27, 2015 14:40:09 GMT -5
I was thinking about how long Jon and Kevin have been together. And I was wondering if Kevin even did end things with Jon or Jon ended things with Kevin for cheating on him. Would Kevin even be ready for a real relationship with Patrick considering that he just left a long term serious relationship? Or the face that his last relationship ended badly because he couldn't keep it in his pants? That Patrick and Kevin started as a fling behind Jon's back, would they ever be able to have something real and honest?I still prefer Patrick with Richie more, they just get each other and Richie is so great. But I rather Richie be with Brady who wants him and only him. And for the small part I have seen they looked really happy together. Patrick is clearly jealous and still hung up on Richie though. But he brought this all on himself, he lost Richie and became Kevin's secret bit on the side. And now he seems to be filled with a lot of regret, unhappiness, and confusion. I know that this is speculation talk on what may or may not happen, but all of the above really does make me wonder if at the end of this season, Patrick decides to truly end things with Kevin once and for all, because he realizes that he's not happy with his life. I still don't think that Kevin will be the one to end his relationship with Jon. I think Jon will be the one, to end it, because he'll get tired of Kevin not being honest with him. Patrick, will seem to be happy, for a minute and then reality will slap him in the face again. Once he finally gets, what he says he wants, will he be ready for it? Will Kevin truly want to be Patrick's, after his two plus years relationship with Jon has ended? I'm leaning towards Jon breaking up with Kevin more too. He must have picked up on things from Patrick's speech and saw the tension with Kevin and Patrick on the steps. He might of been drunk, but he's not blind or stupid. Kevin been acting strange, working when he doesn't need to, having hush conversations with co-workers. Jon must be finally waking up to the fact that Kevin is stepping outside of their relationship. And I can see Jon in his anger and hurt ending things right away. They have been in a long term relationship, he loves Kevin deeply, and moved his life for Kevin. He's going to be furious when he finds out about the affair. Kevin and Patrick have great chemistry, but they are not right for each other. And I'm not saying that because of Richie. I'm saying that because their relationship started off as sex and lies. Patrick is clearly unhappy being someone secret piece on the side. And even if Kevin was free to be with Patrick, would he be equip to be in a new relationship considering he just came out of a long term serious one?
|
|
|
Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 28, 2015 5:21:34 GMT -5
I know that this is speculation talk on what may or may not happen, but all of the above really does make me wonder if at the end of this season, Patrick decides to truly end things with Kevin once and for all, because he realizes that he's not happy with his life. I still don't think that Kevin will be the one to end his relationship with Jon. I think Jon will be the one, to end it, because he'll get tired of Kevin not being honest with him. Patrick, will seem to be happy, for a minute and then reality will slap him in the face again. Once he finally gets, what he says he wants, will he be ready for it? Will Kevin truly want to be Patrick's, after his two plus years relationship with Jon has ended? I'm leaning towards Jon breaking up with Kevin more too. He must have picked up on things from Patrick's speech and saw the tension with Kevin and Patrick on the steps. He might of been drunk, but he's not blind or stupid. Kevin been acting strange, working when he doesn't need to, having hush conversations with co-workers. Jon must be finally waking up to the fact that Kevin is stepping outside of their relationship. And I can see Jon in his anger and hurt ending things right away. They have been in a long term relationship, he loves Kevin deeply, and moved his life for Kevin. He's going to be furious when he finds out about the affair. Kevin and Patrick have great chemistry, but they are not right for each other. And I'm not saying that because of Richie. I'm saying that because their relationship started off as sex and lies. Patrick is clearly unhappy being someone secret piece on the side. And even if Kevin was free to be with Patrick, would he be equip to be in a new relationship considering he just came out of a long term serious one?I hope that we do see the resolution of the relationship between Jon and Kevin, so that the audience can see what happens in the upcoming episodes. As for if Kevin being emotional capable of being their for Patrick, I don't think that will matter in the end. Regardless if he really is open with Patrick or tells Patrick that he needs more time to accept the end of his relationship with Jon. I think that Patrick will realize that he's the one not ready to be involved with anyone right now. I also hope that viewers won't place the blame of the relationship ending between Jon and Kevin onto Patrick's shoulders. That's all on Kevin, because Patrick didn't make him chose to cheat on Jon. I think that folks will definitely blame Patrick for when things go south between him and Kevin though. He finally got him and things go wrong.
|
|
cheerios
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
If we could decide who we loved, it would be much simpler, but less magical.
Posts: 2,886
|
Post by cheerios on Mar 1, 2015 3:35:49 GMT -5
I don't think Patrick is really in a good place for a relationship with anyone. He's so focus on being in one, that I don't think he knows how to be with just himself. He gets into his head too much and he's so confused and adrift right now. If he got into a relationship with anyone he would just be hiding from all of his own issues. And then they would just pop up and bite him in the behind at the worst possible moments.
Kevin pursued Patrick, Kevin pulled away from Jon and towards Patrick. He knew that Patrick was his employee, he had a boyfriend and he went after Patrick anyway. Whatever happens between Kevin and Jon is all on Kevin. And he needs to own up to that, if he's going to move forward with his life.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 0:10:58 GMT -5
Good episode, with a nice display of various relationships, especially friendship and different meanings of family. Doris and her bond with Dom have both never been better. That car accident was so unexpected and kind of shifted the episode and some characters’ mindsets. Nice metaphor all around for the episode. Jon is finally free, then? I barely know him, but I’m happy for the guy, especially after last week. Patrick and Kevin picking up where they left off was hardly unexpected. We’ll get to see how the ‘love’ withstands when the difference between being in an affair and being in a relationship makes itself felt. They each know where the other stands and comes from, so nothing should come as a surprise. Good luck. Good on the show for fully delving into this pairing. No one will be able to argue that some things were left unsaid or unexplored down the line. Still can’t help but feel frustrated that this season, Richie is such a Waldo though. But here comes next week at least.
|
|
dalia
Junior Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_yellow.png)
Max & Iago Forever
Posts: 387
|
Post by dalia on Mar 2, 2015 0:41:30 GMT -5
i really liked episode 7
Preview for episode 8
Inside episode 7
|
|
|
Post by sunshine0786 on Mar 2, 2015 0:59:30 GMT -5
Good episode, with a nice display of various relationships, especially friendship and different meanings of family. Doris and her bond with Dom have both never been better. That car accident was so unexpected and kind of shifted the episode and some characters’ mindsets. Nice metaphor all around for the episode. Jon is finally free, then? I barely know him, but I’m happy for the guy, especially after last week. Patrick and Kevin picking up where they left off was hardly unexpected. We’ll get to see how the ‘love’ withstands when the difference between being in an affair and being in a relationship makes itself felt. They each know where the other stands and comes from, so nothing should come as a surprise. Good luck. Good on the show for fully delving into this pairing. No one will be able to argue that some things were left unsaid or unexplored down the line. Still can’t help but feel frustrated that this season, Richie is such a Waldo though. But here comes next week at least. My guess is that Jon dumbed his cheating ass. He's only with Patrick because Jon left him. How long before Kevin gets bored with Patrick and cheats with the next pretty thing that crosses his path?
|
|
carld2
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Posts: 2,121
|
Post by carld2 on Mar 2, 2015 6:17:35 GMT -5
I tried watching the first 4 episodes of this and Patrick just annoyed me - whine, whine, me, me, me, I'm so adorably awkward, and he also came off as extremely bitchy even as he was presented as a sympathetic protagonist. The "meet cute" with Kevin made me cringe. I know it's a thing in recent years to make your main character awkward and have them embarrass themselves over and over, but Groff and the writing don't have the strength to pull it off and make me empathize.
Dom's story with the ex who wouldn't pay back his money was so poorly executed and his relationship with Doris seems forced, like a bad indie movie with actors making up lines.
The only one I was interested in was Augustin.
|
|
|
Post by Difficult Diva on Mar 2, 2015 6:46:23 GMT -5
Good episode, with a nice display of various relationships, especially friendship and different meanings of family. Doris and her bond with Dom have both never been better. That car accident was so unexpected and kind of shifted the episode and some characters’ mindsets. Nice metaphor all around for the episode. Jon is finally free, then? I barely know him, but I’m happy for the guy, especially after last week. Patrick and Kevin picking up where they left off was hardly unexpected. We’ll get to see how the ‘love’ withstands when the difference between being in an affair and being in a relationship makes itself felt. They each know where the other stands and comes from, so nothing should come as a surprise. Good luck. Good on the show for fully delving into this pairing. No one will be able to argue that some things were left unsaid or unexplored down the line.Still can’t help but feel frustrated that this season, Richie is such a Waldo though. But here comes next week at least. My guess is that Jon dumped his cheating ass. He's only with Patrick because Jon left him. How long before Kevin gets bored with Patrick and cheats with the next pretty thing that crosses his path? The show and the writing does explore the differences and varying emotions in how folks deal with themselves, lovers, friends and families. Dom and Doris have depended and created their family unit. It's clear that Dom had way too many things left unsaid with his father and that's one of the main things, that has him so determined to try and establish his own restaurant/little place, with it based around chicken. Either Dom Americanized his last name, or that is his last name. It never occurred to me, that he was Portuguese. I love Doris and this episode, showed the side of her, that continued to be quick on her feet, in regards to being funny and having the skill to deal with things that are hard with laughter, but she really needed and wanted Malik there with her, as well as Dom and Patrick. Falling into his arms and sobbing was what she needed. Patrick, finally gets what he's wanted (or thinks that he's wanted) from Kevin. Agreed with Macari, that none of the viewers, will say that the show didn't explore the possibilities between those two, in the last three episodes. I also agree with Sunshine, that it was Jon, who gave Kevin his walking papers, but Patrick's not going to question himself of Kevin (for now), how it happened. In looking at the previews, Patrick's the one, side-eyeing Kevin, when he refers to them as boyfriends. The matching outfits and bowling. Someone's trying to hard and it isn't Patrick. Finally.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 7:59:34 GMT -5
In looking at the previews, Patrick's the one, side-eyeing Kevin, when he refers to them as boyfriends. The matching outfits and bowling. Someone's trying to hard and it isn't Patrick. Finally. It looks like they're at some kind of convention and the outfit is for their gaming stuff. Maybe Brady is covering something there for an article as well. I tried watching the first 4 episodes of this and Patrick just annoyed me - whine, whine, me, me, me, I'm so adorably awkward, and he also came off as extremely bitchy even as he was presented as a sympathetic protagonist. The "meet cute" with Kevin made me cringe. I know it's a thing in recent years to make your main character awkward and have them embarrass themselves over and over, but Groff and the writing don't have the strength to pull it off and make me empathize. Ha, it looks like you stopped right before my favorite episode of that season. It’s funny, but I don’t think I ever bothered about empathizing with Patrick so much and I’m not even sure that’s what the show is seeking. It’s obviously not everyone’s cup of tea, but I’ve come to pretty much love what this mostly atypical show chooses to be and explore, and the way it presents rather than tells. And Richie. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I hope it can keep going one way or another.
|
|
carld2
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
Posts: 2,121
|
Post by carld2 on Mar 2, 2015 9:09:43 GMT -5
Listening to the commentary for the first episode that was the impression I got, like during that bad date scene. It was difficult for me to be angry with this man who just heard his date talking about how he'd tried to get sucked off in a park not long before.
I'm sure it gets better, but his stories in all those episodes came across to me as TPTB trying too hard or watching too much Ally McBeal.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:33:54 GMT -5
I was speaking more globally, I guess. Feeling at times for a lead is bound to be part of any show’s narrative, but I don’t know, it’s probably more a package derivative for me here. I see some relatability as more in focus. The fact that a lot of what happens to him is of his own making probably factors in. For instance, he was bawling in this episode and while I see where it came from, I didn’t really dwell on it. But I understand others might. Most of the time, he’s just Patrick to me and that says it all. Ally McBeal is another comparison among a few others that I don’t quite get either, lol. It really is indeed all a matter of perspective.
|
|
|
Post by kevvoi on Mar 2, 2015 16:35:10 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by kevvoi on Mar 3, 2015 14:35:14 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by kevvoi on Mar 4, 2015 20:12:12 GMT -5
|
|
dalia
Junior Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_yellow.png)
Max & Iago Forever
Posts: 387
|
Post by dalia on Mar 6, 2015 1:01:26 GMT -5
Looking Episode 8 preview clips
ugh.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 23:30:39 GMT -5
I just wanted to punch the guy in the wheelchair. Ugh! Lol
|
|
LadyArmand
Full Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png) ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_green.png)
"Fortune favors the bold..." Virgil
Posts: 1,602
|
Post by LadyArmand on Mar 7, 2015 4:26:31 GMT -5
I just wanted to punch the guy in the wheelchair. Ugh! Lol I didn't, I think he is the voice of a segment of the audience who sees Patrick and Kevin as ridiculous. They're both trying too hard to make this work because of how it started. I think we and Patrick are going to find out that it wasn't Kevin's decision to leave Jon, that Jon figured out what was going on and dumped his lying, manipulative, cheating ass. And as soon as Jon shows any hint of wanting him back Patrick will be unceremoniously kicked to the curb, because on his own Kevin would never have chosen him. Kevin does what is best and easiest for Kevin. Patrick is not the love of his life, he's just the thrill of the moment. I bet we find out that this is a pattern for Kevin and Jon, and that Patrick is just another in a long line of guys that Kevin has bedded and will leave once Jon forgives him.
|
|
gidi
Junior Member
![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_yellow.png)
A gay man born 14 nov 1951 from Haifa Israel
Posts: 913
|
Post by gidi on Mar 7, 2015 4:31:31 GMT -5
I just wanted to punch the guy in the wheelchair. Ugh! Lol I didn't, I think he is the voice of a segment of the audience who sees Patrick and Kevin as ridiculous. They're both trying too hard to make this work because of how it started. I think we and Patrick are going to find out that it wasn't Kevin's decision to leave Jon, that Jon figured out what was going on and dumped his lying, manipulative, cheating ass. And as soon as Jon shows any hint of wanting him back Patrick will be unceremoniously kicked to the curb, because on his own Kevin would never have chosen him. Kevin does what is best and easiest for Kevin. Patrick is not the love of his life, he's just the thrill of the moment. I bet we find out that this is a pattern for Kevin and Jon, and that Patrick is just another in a long line of guys that Kevin has bedded and will leave once Jon forgives him. I hope you are wrong I love Kevin and Patrick together.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 5:56:22 GMT -5
I just wanted to punch the guy in the wheelchair. Ugh! Lol I didn't, I think he is the voice of a segment of the audience who sees Patrick and Kevin as ridiculous. They're both trying too hard to make this work because of how it started. I think we and Patrick are going to find out that it wasn't Kevin's decision to leave Jon, that Jon figured out what was going on and dumped his lying, manipulative, cheating ass. And as soon as Jon shows any hint of wanting him back Patrick will be unceremoniously kicked to the curb, because on his own Kevin would never have chosen him. Kevin does what is best and easiest for Kevin. Patrick is not the love of his life, he's just the thrill of the moment. I bet we find out that this is a pattern for Kevin and Jon, and that Patrick is just another in a long line of guys that Kevin has bedded and will leave once Jon forgives him. He was being rude to Patrick for no reason it seems. That had nothing to do with Kevin leaving Jon or Jon leaving Kevin. That dude doesn't know them and they don't look like brothers. Like I said the guy was being rude. He wasn't being the voice for me. That's why I wanted to punch him.
|
|