VL 28 Nov-1 Dec 2011 ep chat (+ caps/vids)

[joanna]

This thread is for all discussion of this week's episodes of VL (no spoilery/preview talk, please!).

EPISODE 3972 (Monday, 28 November)

(No Christian/Olli in this episode.)

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PLAYLIST
Never Gonna Leave Me - Sia
This Much Is True - Amy MacDonald
Milky Magic Tears - Lorien
Imik Si Mik - Hindi Zahra
Tout Le Monde - Carla Bruni
Losing Lisa - Ben Folds
Giving Everything Away For Free - Daniel Merriweather
Sleep Alone - Bat For Lashes


EPISODE 3973 (Tuesday, 29 November)

(No Christian/Olli in this episode.)

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PLAYLIST
Sleep Alone - Bat For Lashes
Skinny Genes - Eliza Doolittle
Ventilator R-80 - Ojos De Brujo ft. La Troba Kung-Fú
Siento - Lisa & Sylvia
Sing A Lullaby - Pauline London
A Taste Of You - Purveyors Of Fine Funk
Fly Away - Lenny Kravitz
This Much Is True - Amy MacDonald
Past In Present - Feist


EPISODE 3974 (Wednesday, 30 November)

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+ MM's CLOSED-CAPTION VIDEO[/url] (Due to copyright issues, with the songs, that mean this video is blocked in Germany and for some mobile devices, MM has kindly uploaded a version of it with new audio[/url].)

+ MM's EMBEDDED SUBS VIDEO[/url] (new audio version)

PLAYLIST
Where Love Went Wrong - Augustana
Hold On In The Rye, Holden - Cargo City
1901 - Phoenix
Something - Sophia
How Are You - Bombay Bicycle Club
Getting Out - Daniel Merriweather
You Don't Own The Road - The Kills
Avenida - Clan Greco
Betty - Brooke Fraser
Waterfront - Jamie Woon
I Know A Little Cuban - Hugo Maldoro
Lovesong - Adele


EPISODE 3975 (Thursday, 1 December)

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PLAYLIST
Vibracao - Pauline London
Sing A Lullaby - Pauline London
Stand - Lenny Kravitz
Loving you Is Killing Me - Aloe Blacc
Soul Meets Body - Death Cab For Cutie
Knockout - Triple Eight

(No episode on Friday, 2 December.)

[Trish]

No Chrolli, but loved Dana punching out Alexander.

[sonnenstern]

Nov 28, 2011 16:53:12 GMT -5 Trish said:

No Chrolli, but loved Dana punching out Alexander.

Oh, yes you are absolutley right!

And dear Alexander please go away forever and ever!!

[Trish]

I know the man is such a sleeze. He has no remorse for what he did and is talking to Marlena's family like they just went out on a harmless date.

[sonnenstern]

Nov 28, 2011 23:38:10 GMT -5 Trish said:

I know the man is such a sleeze. He has no remorse for what he did and is talking to Marlena's family like they just went out on a harmless date.

I have no more words for Alexander. He is so terrible!!!

I watch now Verbotene Liebe over 14 years everyday, and this story with Marlene in the moment is one of the most saddest story I have ever seen on VL.

[Trish]

Really? Hopefully when all is said and done she will be a stronger person and realize that he hasn't broken her spirit and he will get what he deserves.

[sonnenstern]

Nov 29, 2011 0:54:57 GMT -5 Trish said:

Really? Hopefully when all is said and done she will be a stronger person and realize that he hasn't broken her spirit and he will get what he deserves.

Yes I hope the same, of course.

[bel7003]

Dana, you're my hero!!

[gelybi]

Wow! what an episode! The divorce thing was completely heartbreaking...I know it's all about endings but is so sad that a hard look and turning around is all that remains of a wonderful love, that really hurt

[Deleted]

when I remember how dramatically sounded spoilers for today's episode . ...(.it's a cry for help... )

the before divorce- scenes were good, sad , beautifully acted by Jo and Thore ....but otherwise nothing special happened today

Olli and Rafael scenes were sweet as always ( sorry ) and it's good that Olli tried to explain Rafael how is it between them but still ....I think Rafael is a masochist, or really madly in love.....he wants to be with a man who feels for him more sympathy than love and is not ready for a new relationship
oh poor guy

and on the shallow note - Olli and Chris looked exceptionally good today - especially Olli - now I know, that purple is his color

[gelybi]

Nov 30, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5 @lola77 said:

and on the shallow note - Olli and Chris looked exceptionally good today - especially Olli - now I know, that purple is his color

Absolutely! And red, blue, yellow, white, black, grey...ok I think I gave you the idea ;D

And of course I agree on the acting. Rafael sweetness is all over the place, even for those who don't like him it's impossible to deny. He's a nice guy, just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, pining for the wrong person and he knows that.

[adamjhumphreys]

From what I've seen so far of Rafael here's come across as dodgey and every time he sees Christian he's giving him weird looks, as though he dosen't like him. Lastly, when Oliver mentioned his name a couple of episodes back he pulled a odd face. He may be sweet but even the sweetest characters can have a sinister/dark side to them.

[Trish]

I don' tthink he has a sinister dark side. He wants what he wants and he wants Olli. I find the story of him being on his mind this whole time hard to swallow, but either way, he wants Olli and given that of course he's going to dislike Chris and not like him being around.

Glad that Olli was up front with R. For him to still think that Olli will be past it in a few days, is just showing his immaturity. I guess he's never had a truly deep love or maybe he thinks that Olli is it.

Chris was very sad. He was alone in all of his scenes and eventhough Andi claimed that was what he wanted, it would have been nice if they wouldn't have let him do it, especailly given that Olli wasn't sulking alone. It's strange that at the end there, Chris seemed like he wasn't feeling well, but he called Olli. Very sweet that he's still the first person that he thinks of, but doesn't he have anyone else he could call?

[bel7003]

Nov 30, 2011 14:41:29 GMT -5 Trish said:

It's strange that at the end there, Chris seemed like he wasn't feeling well, but he called Olli. Very sweet that he's still the first person that he thinks of, but doesn't he have anyone else he could call?

Olli was really the only person he had left. He was his love and his family (considering Gregor lives in a whole different place), the only person he could trust with his weaknesses. He really looks like he isn't feeling well. And Olli was always the one who cared about his well-being. And now Olli has somebody else to care for.

[Trish]

Nov 30, 2011 14:49:11 GMT -5 bel7003 said:

Nov 30, 2011 14:41:29 GMT -5 Trish said:

It's strange that at the end there, Chris seemed like he wasn't feeling well, but he called Olli. Very sweet that he's still the first person that he thinks of, but doesn't he have anyone else he could call?

Olli was really the only person he had left. He was his love and his family (considering Gregor lives in a whole different place), the only person he could trust with his weaknesses. He really looks like he isn't feeling well. And Olli was always the one who cared about his well-being. And now Olli has somebody else to care for.

He might think that, but obviously Olli isn't think much about R at all. How can you set up house with someone and yet tell your friends and him that it's just to get though a tough time. Olli needs to see beyond his own nose.

Chris called Olli and Olli didn't take the call. I know that he told Chris he wanted to cut ties with him, but how many times has he slam the door in Chris' face during this whole process and Chris still tries to reach out. It's amazing.

[everettb100]

Heartbreaking, for sure. It goes on and on and on... I haven't watched an episode for a few weeks. I read the messages (and thanks to all of you that do) to determine when to start watching again. I, like an ostrich, like to keep my head in the sand and ignore what has been happening and trust there will be a positive outcome. Then, I am back......

[Trish]

But if you do that it's not quite as good. You need some of the bad so when the good eventually happens, it's that much more rewarding.

I'd watch the show if I were you. It's sad, but you can tell how much they really do love each other. Olli tries to keep a good face for R to let him know that he's helping, but there's a definite sadness behind those eyes.

[Trish]

I just realized that Christian had no lines today. Thore is one amazing actor. To think there was so much emotion without a single word being said.

[bel7003]

Nov 30, 2011 16:16:02 GMT -5 Trish said:

I just realized that Christian had no lines today. Thore is one amazing actor. To think there was so much emotion without a single word being said.

You're so right. I hadn't even realized that. I understood everything that was going on with Christian, but I didn't even notice he didn't say a word.

Thore really is an amazing actor. And so is Jo, in his own way. Olli's mouth says one thing, but his eyes say something completely different.

[adamjhumphreys]

Either way there's something a bit dodgey about Rafael. He knew Chris and Ollie's marriage is in a state and wastes no time in making moves on Ollie. He admitted to Jessica that though Ollie's out of bounds to him he still wants him. Since Ibiza there's something odd about his demeanor which indicates so. As for the dog walking job, that seems too convenient. Lastly, Chris's friends with Ollie's so he might as well get to know him.

[Trish]

Of course, anyone that is going to step in the middle of a couple when they obviously have things to work out, isn't wise. He came into town and the first thing he did was suggest that Olli go away with him. He could tell that Olli was trying to avoid Chris and he made sure that he did it.

Olli is being up front with where he stands, which I didn't expect, so I for one think that R is setting himself up for a fall, even with the divorce. He was doing his sweet talk and loving, but from the look on Olli's face, it's not doing much good.

[amk]

Nov 30, 2011 16:24:50 GMT -5 bel7003 said:

And so is Jo, in his own way. Olli's mouth says one thing, but his eyes say something completely different.

I agree, I think that it was pretty evident today that although he's saying "something " , behind that seemingly convincing "facade" he thinks something completely different .... really beautiful acting
and for me as his big fan - great episode! - he looked so damn hot today - just wow

[MercuryMay]

Nov 30th:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRbH4AYwKG8

Due to copyright issues with the songs, this video is blocked in Germany. I'll try to upload an alternate version tomorrow.
Dieses Video ist in Deutschland gesperrt. Ich werde versuchen morgen eine alternative Version hochzuladen.

[valso]

OMG!!! Mercury thank you so much for your swiftness!!
I'll go watch it immediately!

[candyflossuk]

Awwwww, Rafael.
I know some people still want to believe he's evil but I really don't think so. He's just a really nice, albeit stupid guy whose put himself in a stupid situation. However so far, Oli's been completely straight with him about the situation between himself and Christian. I can't blame Rafael for wanting Oli for himself (how gorgeous did Oli look today? ) but he's naive to think things can ever work out for him and Oli - especially when it's obvious that Oli isn't over Christian.
Jo's doing a good job at portraying Oli's confusion - it can't be easy to have to act sad when your script has you sexed up with a teenager but I totally 'get' him right now. He even said Rafael wanted to there to 'distract' him whilst talking to Andi and Jessica. I think that just about sums up the depth of their relationship....

Interesting how Christian's flashbacks are always of the same things - the wedding and the boxing ring kiss. Whereas Oli often reflects on the bad (i.e Christian describing Jessica as a 'lapse').