cheerios
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If we could decide who we loved, it would be much simpler, but less magical.
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Post by cheerios on Sept 2, 2016 5:26:30 GMT -5
I think we know more about Jason and his background/dad than we do with Todd. Which makes sense since Bruno left the show for a few years and only did visits here and there. It would be great to see Todd's dad someday and to see more of Bruno's musical side. Perhaps he's cooking breakfast one day for Billy and he starts singing while he does or he sings to Billy to get him to smile.
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 5, 2016 15:37:29 GMT -5
Today's scenes were really good, quite passionate too for a soap pre watershed. SMH at Todd putting his foot in his mouth though. The bishop's petticoat comment was so stupid, and then he went and made it worse with the "if I can't get it from you I'm gonna get it from someone else" comment, ugh. It was just Todd being Todd.
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Post by atlanticslide on Sept 5, 2016 16:25:00 GMT -5
Ahhhhh that was so good! Stupid Todd, stupid Billy, both of them overreacted - terribly dumb joke for Todd to say, especially right in the middle of making out, and such a Todd thing to do to, when feeling hurt, make it worse by saying something mean and hurtful and walking off in a bit of a tantrum. On the other hand, I kind of wonder if Billy does have the tiniest bit of doubt in the back of his mind about Todd's sincerity and so was much more offended and hurt than he maybe should've been by Todd's joking and by Todd wanting to just have sex and talk about it later. His "that's what you think of me?" seemed like maybe he was thinking that Todd had just confirmed his worst fears. I've been catching up with more of Todd's backstory, and I really love him as a character, particular because he's done so many nasty and manipulative things but deep down really does seem like he just wants to be loved and accepted - and yet even so, he's still done some really shitty things, so I can see why people would have trouble trusting him, and I wonder if there's any of that at work in Billy's reaction here, that maybe a tiny part of him can't totally trust that this is the real deal.
Then again, he did say to Eva that this is "the best thing ever" and that he messed it up, so he must not be too worried about Todd's sincerity about their relationship.
It's also interesting that Todd seems to maybe be a bit insecure about Sean and Billy's relationship with him (what with the "I don't understand why you'd be okay with having sex with Sean but not with me" comment).
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 5, 2016 16:50:35 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 7, 2016 15:37:11 GMT -5
Next parts courtesy of Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 8, 2016 0:56:45 GMT -5
The episode yesterday was very good. Todd and Billy seem very much in love. Just a small pet peeve: why couldn't we get a bad scene or a morning after scene? I mean they didn't even say they had sex ffs, why be subtle now with this after the hotel room scene? Sophie and Sian had a much more explicit sex scene, but I guess that was ok since you know.. lesbians are hot! Sigh
Also, I don't think Billy felt comfortable with Todd moving in. He said yes because he knew Todd was in a bad state and he probably didn't want him to continue to fight with Eileen.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 9, 2016 17:01:41 GMT -5
New clips from Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 9, 2016 17:24:33 GMT -5
Sadly, the cracks are starting to show now in their relationship. Todd overreacted by Billy telling him he should find his own place, thinking Billy doesn’t care about him or the relationship. Todd thinks Billy considers it a casual thing while it's very serious to him. He was very offended when Billy said they've been on a few daters, Todd was like "dates?! more like months". That scene was heartbreaking, but brilliant acting from Bruno Langley. I don’t even think Billy meant it like that though, he just worded himself badly. Of course this relationship means a lot to Billy. I don’t think Todd is more into this relationship than Billy is, Todd just probably thought that because of what Billy said. Ugh, this was just a big misunderstanding and Todd overreacted again, like he usually does. Also, Billy did have a point, it is early and Billy has good reasons for not wanting to cohabitate with Todd. Todd needs to respect that, or better yet actually have a conversation with Billy and let Billy explain before storming out and getting offended.
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Post by atlanticslide on Sept 9, 2016 21:11:31 GMT -5
I kind of put this one more on Billy than on Todd. At the beginning of the episode they seemed cool, they seemed like they were clear with one another and on the same page (Billy asked Todd about looking for his own place, Todd agreed with him and showed that he was on top of it and would be looking). I think the issue arose when Sean (of course!) made some snide comments to Billy and blabbed to the others at the pub that Todd had "moved in." Billy then seemed to get self-conscious and overly cautious about Todd being caught there, as well as Todd getting the wrong idea about Billy letting him stay, worried that things were moving too fast, and put the brakes on hard. So I can see why Todd would be hurt by Billy bringing it up - as far as he knew, they'd both agreed that it was cool for Todd to stay there for a few days while he looked for another place and was just happily hanging out with his boyfriend, and then later the same day Billy sits him down for a serious talk and seems to be nudging him out the door.
I get the sense that Todd really is a bit sensitive about the relationship and his place in Billy's life compared with Billy's job and his religion, so he may have overreacted, but I can see why he'd be hurt by Billy welcoming him in to stay for a few days and then just a few hours later basically saying "so when are you leaving?"
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 10, 2016 1:44:23 GMT -5
I kind of put this one more on Billy than on Todd. At the beginning of the episode they seemed cool, they seemed like they were clear with one another and on the same page (Billy asked Todd about looking for his own place, Todd agreed with him and showed that he was on top of it and would be looking). I think the issue arose when Sean (of course!) made some snide comments to Billy and blabbed to the others at the pub that Todd had "moved in." Billy then seemed to get self-conscious and overly cautious about Todd being caught there, as well as Todd getting the wrong idea about Billy letting him stay, worried that things were moving too fast, and put the brakes on hard. So I can see why Todd would be hurt by Billy bringing it up - as far as he knew, they'd both agreed that it was cool for Todd to stay there for a few days while he looked for another place and was just happily hanging out with his boyfriend, and then later the same day Billy sits him down for a serious talk and seems to be nudging him out the door. I get the sense that Todd really is a bit sensitive about the relationship and his place in Billy's life compared with Billy's job and his religion, so he may have overreacted, but I can see why he'd be hurt by Billy welcoming him in to stay for a few days and then just a few hours later basically saying "so when are you leaving?" Yeah, you're right. I think they are both partly to blame. Billy shouldn't have pushed him out the door. They seemed to be on the same page earlier, Billy bringing it up again didn't help. But then I can see why, because of Sean and everyone finding out, and he was already having doubts so everyone finding out just kinda reinforced that. Sadly though Todd should also realize that maybe Billy has a point, maybe it was too soon, it is serious and he could risk his job. So.. I feel like although Billy was wrong for pushing him out, Todd also should have thought about the consequences of him moving and how this could end up hurting Billy. Then again.. when has Todd EVER thought about the consequences of his actions? LOL. This is typical Todd. And also.. Billy worded himself badly so he made it seem like he isn't as into the relationship as Todd is. I feel like that isn't the case though. They are both serious about it, this is a lot more than just a casual fling. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 12, 2016 16:15:14 GMT -5
Not enough cute Tilly moments in tonight's episodes and can Sean be any more insufferable? I'm sick of his self pitying, it's exhausting. I did like the slightly naughty solitaire comment though, that was funny, lol.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 12, 2016 18:41:01 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 13, 2016 10:19:02 GMT -5
Another clip courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 14, 2016 19:57:36 GMT -5
Next parts courtesy of Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 15, 2016 9:04:51 GMT -5
I didn't like Todd in yesterday's episode. He was way too manipulative and pushy, his intentions were obvious. I know he played the role of the supportive boyfriend, but you could tell he wanted Billy to leave the church. He knew Billy was having doubts so he brought it up, but he should have left it to Billy. It's a huge decision only he can make.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 17, 2016 6:24:17 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 17, 2016 12:18:04 GMT -5
Another clip courtesy of Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 19, 2016 14:45:09 GMT -5
Seeing the break up was even worse than imagined. I still can't believe Todd called the bishop. He's such an idiot smh. Him crying completely broke my heart though  |
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Post by atlanticslide on Sept 19, 2016 19:16:13 GMT -5
Ahhhh that was so good and painful. Todd's an idiot, but I actually somehow felt worse for him than for Billy, even though Billy must feel so horrible betrayed. I think Todd has a tendency to do some stupid things without fully thinking through the implications of them, and it's interesting that despite how clever he is, he can't really see the potential consequences before acting, or at least not the longterm consequences. There's something deeply screwed up with him that his instinct is to lie and manipulate rather than talk to Billy about his concerns and maybe be patient with Billy. I'm guessing that Billy was right that Todd's lack of empathy is a defense mechanism, and that Todd probably has felt like he doesn't deserve someone like Billy, so it must be really painful to have that confirmed, and I can see why after that conversation with Billy that Todd would be feeling low enough to go along with Phelan's plans.
Despite how sad and angsty it all was, though, it wasn't as bad as I'd expected - or at least, it still left me with hope for the both of them. That Billy could see, despite his hurt and anger, that Todd really does care for him and that he did it out of a (really) misguided sense of love, that Billy recognizes that Todd is right, despite the way he went about things, that Todd looked so hurt and depressed about everything that had happened even after making the deal with Phelan, that he just seemed sad rather than gleeful or greedy or nasty when he left Phelan and Vinny and then when he spoke with Tracy - Bilyl is clearly not going to get over Todd easily, and Todd has clearly not gone happily back to the dark side.
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 20, 2016 13:53:23 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 20, 2016 13:54:14 GMT -5
And two more clips courtesy of Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 21, 2016 15:12:15 GMT -5
Ahhhh that was so good and painful. Todd's an idiot, but I actually somehow felt worse for him than for Billy, even though Billy must feel so horrible betrayed. I think Todd has a tendency to do some stupid things without fully thinking through the implications of them, and it's interesting that despite how clever he is, he can't really see the potential consequences before acting, or at least not the longterm consequences. There's something deeply screwed up with him that his instinct is to lie and manipulate rather than talk to Billy about his concerns and maybe be patient with Billy. I'm guessing that Billy was right that Todd's lack of empathy is a defense mechanism, and that Todd probably has felt like he doesn't deserve someone like Billy, so it must be really painful to have that confirmed, and I can see why after that conversation with Billy that Todd would be feeling low enough to go along with Phelan's plans. Despite how sad and angsty it all was, though, it wasn't as bad as I'd expected - or at least, it still left me with hope for the both of them. That Billy could see, despite his hurt and anger, that Todd really does care for him and that he did it out of a (really) misguided sense of love, that Billy recognizes that Todd is right, despite the way he went about things, that Todd looked so hurt and depressed about everything that had happened even after making the deal with Phelan, that he just seemed sad rather than gleeful or greedy or nasty when he left Phelan and Vinny and then when he spoke with Tracy - Bilyl is clearly not going to get over Todd easily, and Todd has clearly not gone happily back to the dark side. You basically said everything I wanted to say. I completely agree with everything. I felt awful for Todd because although what he did was wrong, he had good intentions. He didn't do it to cause harm. He did it because he genuinely thought it was the right thing to do, to "save" Billy from the church, and so they could be together for real without the church interfering. Yeah, it was selfish, he should have talked to him instead of course. But Todd being Todd is impulsive and often doesn't think through the consequences of his actions, so he manipulates them instead to get what he wants. There is obviously something wrong with him and tonight's episode just confirmed that. You could see the pain on his face several times, not only pitching the fake apartments to Alex, but when Phelan tried to guilt trip him in doing it for Jason and Eileen. Then there was the "not sleeping well in years" comment, he is so broken on the inside. I appreciate Billy for being able to see what Todd did from his perspective in yesterday's episode. Everyone else would shame him and run away, but not Billy. He tried to make sense of what he did, to understand him, because that's just the kind of person Billy is. He knows he didn't mean any harm by it, he knows Todd has a point about the church never being able to accept the real him. He just went about it the wrong way, that's all. Billy knows he's messed up and that Todd just can't help himself. Billy trying to understand Todd just proves to me that he still cares about him. I mean, after such a huge betrayal he was still defending him. I am confident they will get back together in the future, even if it will take time. They are meant to be, I don't often say someone are soulmates, but with these two.. they are pretty close. |
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 22, 2016 14:28:53 GMT -5
New clips courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 27, 2016 23:21:03 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Megs:
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Post by overtherainbow on Sept 29, 2016 9:10:10 GMT -5
Billy didn't really look like he was ready to forgive Todd. He is still very mad at him. Todd needs to just realize that what he did was wrong and apologize already. It was nice to see Eileen being on Todd's side for once. She talked to Billy and he warned her about Phelan and Vinny. Doubt she'll listen though.
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