Botineras - General Discussion

[margie]

Who is stalking Flaco? Is it the same guy who caught Chiqui and Mercedes?

[bdc]

May 28, 2010 8:40:57 GMT -5 margie said:

Who is stalking Flaco? Is it the same guy who caught Chiqui and Mercedes?

Don't know but I think that paparazzi are always around footballers looking for scoops...

[chrys]

Oh I forgot to translate Flaco's phrase Sorry.
Te extraño, y vos? = I miss you. What about you?

And Flaco in the pic scene is complaining about palpitations and cold hands. I'm not sure if he says chest pain - I'd have to check again.

May 28, 2010 8:33:19 GMT -5 bdc said:

chrys

I loved your post

Thank you

[bdc]

May 28, 2010 1:42:55 GMT -5 chrys said:

Too good to be true: is that boring guy really gonna split with Mia/Laura? And if so, can she be bi and it comes up now that she's single? Please?

Salgado left Laura's flat....he preferred to split up with her.
He said that he didn't like how he felt when Laura was missing.
Freezed...
He loves her...but he cannot handle their border-line relationship.
It seems that Salgado will be the next one leaving the show (as
Pablo Rago, the actor who plays Salgado, is going to play another role in a miniseries related to the Argentine Bicentenario).
Now the question is...Dead or Alive?
Rumours say...dead.
It's official... next week, we're going to see another death in Botineras.
Hoping that Manuel's chest pain will have nothing to do with this bad news....

[chrys]

bdc

Yeah, I understood that but I thought he might change his mind and stay with her. Or they could go back together.

[Flaco&Lalo]

Part 45 is up (in Spanish)
Gracias Sergio
(the guys scenes from episode 99)



Manuel is really close to a nervous breakdown, at least he misses Lalo.. the photographer hasn't time to sleep apparently

[azuma]

bdc
Such a resourcefulness & generous you are!
Reading your articles always moves toward a deeper understanding of every characters in Botineras and I would like Botineras more than ever.
If I remember right, there was the same situation Flaco & Chiqi as soccer athletes in Spain you had told us before.
Thank you so much.

[masonville]

Chrys, thanks to your summaries I don’t have to watch the episodes!

Who knew Anguila was such a good wingman!?!? The scene(s) at the night-club were smart and efficient. The writers got a lot of points / plot elements across in a short period of “air time” without relying on expository dialogue. Well done!!

The scene between Flaco and Chiqui at the car was comical (albeit inadvertently). If someone’s having palpitations and wants to have someone else corroborate their suspicions, they don’t go placing another’s hands on their precordium, especially if they’re built like Flaco where the musculature will dull the cardiac apical impulse. If you want to check for an arrhythmia you place hands on the neck or the wrist, but I guess that doesn’t look too compromising for the storyline.

Although I hate seeing Flaco in a bad wardrobe, I hate seeing him in pain more. So prompted by the “palpitation scene”, let’s address Flaco’s health (physical and mental) shall we?
1) Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) occurs in athletes and is associated with malignant arrhythmias and sudden death, however since Flaco’s been playing on European teams that’s something that they should have screened him for prior to signing him and agreeing to pay him a boat load of cash.

2) Flaco’s relatively thin and has been acting “nervous/agitated” lately. Perhaps he’s hyperthyroid? That might explain his palpitations but the condition is associated with excess body heat and seeing how many layers of clothes he’s been unfortunately wearing lately, we have to move that down on the differential diagnosis list.

3) Coronary artery disease is possible, although he’s young(ish), but he should have had some angina during those “strenuous soccer training sessions” and hot shower/whirlpool scenes. ;D

4) Depression could have led him to score some crack (cocaine not the anatomic euphemism) which can cause coronary vasospasm, palpitations, sudden death and since it’s a vasoconstrictor it will also cause cold hands… come to think of it, he’s had a runny nose lately so the signs and symptoms fit … Maradona fans will attest that he wouldn’t be the first soccer player to get hooked

5) Additionally, given his emotional state after seeing Lalo using his tongue to examine Josephina’s tonsils, there’s the possibility of somatization or conversion (types of somatoform disorders = conditions in which the physical pain and symptoms a person feels are related to psychological factors; People with somatoform disorder are not faking their symptoms but rather they present their psychic pain physically. The pain that they feel is real to them). Flaco’s pectoral muscular strain, palpitations, cold fingers and a sundry of other symptoms could be a physical manifestation of his “broken heart”. < ---a much needed change from shedding tears
…it is possible to be sensitive and non-secretory

Let’s see what the team doctor aka the writers comes up with ….I’ll go out on a limb and say Flaco lives…this time around anyway

As for Salgado <--- Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

Have a good night everyone and thanks in advance to those who make it all make sense in the morning

[chrys]

Lol masonville. It was nothing nearly as elaborate - just stress, which is believable since Flaco has been freaking out for a while now.

Early recap cause streaming worked. Tonight's episode confirmed some of our earlier lessons, solved some issues and, of course, brought us new lessons

But first, let me add to last night's lesson 1 that Lalo tries too hard. Really Lalito, you're paranoid. There's no reason why anyone would suspect you of being gay. So as long as you don't go around kissing guys in the street you don't have to try to go extra macho, like when you greeted Flaco with that forced tone and punch to the shoulder. It's counter-productive: it makes people think you're overcompensating and therefore see exactly what you're hiding.

Now onto tonight:

12. Salgado is a drama queen. Who knew? But trust me, the boring police officer threw the mother of all hissy fits

13. Further evidence of a past lesson: Nino is indeed obsessed with Lalo (and Flaco). There was no need to reply to Sofia that the reason he wouldn't poison someone is that he is no "putito" (sissy, also his new nickname for Lalo, as I said before) but, moreover, there was no need at all to follow that with "like Lalo and Riveiro." Can't get them out of your mind, Nino? We understand

14. Don't underestimate el Chiqui. I was worried he would react stupidly when denying the pic mess, but I was wrong Chiqui was great, first taking care of Flaco and then reacting all amused to the picture, while Flaco freaked out like crazy.

15. Anguila is still great. Mercedes asked him about Flaco and the picture and he totally covered it up with lame talk that successfully distracted her.

16. Another good cover-up, surprisingly, was Lalo's. He got his poker face ;D He did a pretty good job, in my opinion, of dismissing the picture and the rumors, when he was obviously caught by surprise. I'm so proud of you tonight, Lalito

17. Don't underestimate Nino and Tato. First I thought their reaction was a total failure - call a press conference? Why not just dismiss the whole thing like Chiqui wanted? You give rumors attention, they usually grow worse. I was wrong. Showing the whole photo sequence to the press and telling off the photographer was genius. Ibra's and Piqué's managers shoud've thought of that

18. Marga's accident may have made her nicer to some people, like Anguila, and given her a little of a conscience crisis, but no, it didn't make her any less homophobic

19. Now that Lalo has a poker face he should go tell Flaco where and how he got it, cause the guy sure needs it. However he did to hide his sexuality all these years, it certainly wasn't by looking as guilty as he did in front of the press tonight I'm willing to cut him some slack though cause he's going through a lot of shit, so it's understandable he's lost that confidence and cool attitude he used to have.

20. What seemed too good to be true was indeed so Mia/Laura is still with Drama Queen Cop and they still bore me to death.

And so the answer to our question about Flaco's stalker was a lame photographer with a secret fantasy ;D On this show, that counts as a lot of luck.

My wish tonight: Proofs against Nino? Say it isn't so. Nino can't go down now - it's too early! Lots of people could die/go to jail before Nino does. Lame people, like Sofia, or Salgado, and even Tato should go first. Not Nino, cause he's awesome, and has the funniest lines and expressions

And I leave you guys on this sad note

[masonville]

Great recap chrys!!! I like the way you present the pertinent points

I'm gonna try to watch the episode when I go home in the morning because hopefully Flaco looks less "flaky" then he sounds from the description/summary

Somatization sounds cooler (more serious) than "panic attack" so I'm sticking with that <--- they're both stress-induced/mediated

I still don't think it's unreasonable to do a utox on him. I'll be more than happy to collect the sample...as a public service of course

[bdc]

[Flaco&Lalo]

Scenes from last night's episode uploaded by Natyges:



Manuel is having palpitations and the paparazzo is two metres away from them..



Mercedes: "there's a picture you have to see.."



El Flaco and el Chiqui's picture is already in the public domain and Christian offers him 10kg of sugar.. he needs something stronger Schatzi
"we are just friends" <--- never heard that! ;D



After showing the picture to Lalito a journalist asks him if the two are going to come out of the closet! News spreading fast in the football world apparently..!
Lalo is not that convincing.. ;D



a press conference has been already organized to "explain" everything..
the presence of Marga worries me a lot...



the press conference goes on, Chistian insults a journalist.. but Tato solves everything in a couple of minutes..



After the press conference a distraught Manuel tells Lili he could never come out of the closet and that he's willing to carry on with all the lies about his sexuality for the rest of his life..
come on Flaquito!

[maya]

thank you for all the clips, poo Manuel but I totally love Lalo's poker face, he should give Flaco some lessons ;D

[Flaco&Lalo]

Well I don't really see Lalo's poker face, actually he behaves like someone who's lying..
Here some tips to spot liars, they usually:

"Use humor or sarcasm to avoid a subject."

"may speak more than natural, adding unnecessary details to convince you"

"A liar is uncomfortable facing his questioner/accuser and may turn his head or body away."

"Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space."

"A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact."

"Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand."

"Expressions are limited to mouth movements when someone is faking emotions (like happy, surprised, sad, awe, )instead of the whole face. For example; when someone smiles naturally their whole face is involved: jaw/cheek movement, eyes and forehead push down, etc."
etc.. etc..

I have a very developed gaydar ladies.. ;D
ps: you should watch "Lie to Me"

[chrys]

I was comparing his expression and behavior then to what he had done before, and I see a very visible improvement. In the last few episodes, his face has been much more obvious, and so were his actions. Compared to Flaco's reaction as well, his was a lot better, and he was completely caught off guard by the journalist with the picture thing.
He does look uncomfortable, but not more than someone who doesn't like a topic. In my opinion, not more than I've seen many football players in many interviews.

[bdc]

May 29, 2010 2:38:41 GMT -5 Flaco&Lalo said:

ps: you should watch "Lie to Me"

we're born in the same day
we like the same things
we watch the same things...

it's scaring ;D ;D ;D

[Flaco&Lalo]

oh God!
so there is some truth in horoscopes !!
don't tell me you watched all the episodes of Six Feet Under?!?

[bdc]

May 29, 2010 3:08:12 GMT -5 Flaco&Lalo said:

oh God!
so there is some truth in horoscopes !!
don't tell me you watched all the episodes of Six Feet Under?!?

not all the episodes...but most part of them

I like Micheal C. Hall but I prefer his evil side in Dexter

[bdc]

More videos translated by lovely Emsol


Manuel & Lalo - ep 95 - I was kidnapped (English Subtitles)


Manuel & Lalo - ep 96 - Manuel visits Lalo in jail (English Subtitles)

[bdc]

Capitulo 100 is on line

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100 episodes

[Flaco&Lalo]

Part 36 is up with English subtitles

[Flaco&Lalo]

Part 37 is up with English subtitles



Muchas gracias chicas!

[Izabella]

Now, after all the scandal about the picture, do you think Lalo will still be willing to be with Flaco? I have my doubs

[chrys]

I don't think that changes Lalo's perspective. He never was willing to be out, with or without Flaco. Since Flaco pushed him away, he decided to focus on his career and all kind of things happened to make him even more scared of being found out. So he's already on that path.

I think the point of the picture plot was to highlight and confirm Flaco's position. He was at times considering telling the truth about himself (but not about Lalo, because he fears for his career as well). Chiqui had suggested it might be easier for him to come out, since he has an established career. And lately Lily told him she thinks he should tell the truth. So that was on his mind, and the picture scandal served the purpose of showing him and the audience how hard it would be and how he's out of options. It may be a bit easy for people who don't follow football to think he should come out, so they're showing what a taboo it is.

[Izabella]

I understand their reasons completely. Living a lie hurts, but coming out would maybe destroy their careers, or at least Lalo's career. After Lalo said "Yo te amo Flaco" I thought it would be harder for him to be away. They don't show his feelings, how vulnerable he is, only Flaco's side. It makes me wonder if he really loves him still. I'm afraid writers would end their story just like that instead of enjoying the opportunity to discuss a matter which is such a taboo, and give people opportunity to think better and who knows give some steps toward a change of mentality. Also, gay public is considerably numerous. Besides, the couple is fascinating!