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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 7:54:08 GMT -5
First, RIP, Mr. Monteith. That was really sad.
Despite never being intrigued by the show, I was recently shown some of it, mostly Klaine parts. I saw a few things here and there and read about the rest. But for all the cries of cuteness about this Klaine pairing, what I mostly gathered was anything but. Warning: it's long.
The show (and apparently fans and the media) appears to want to depict Blaine as the most precious, interesting and romantic individual there is, but for all the screen time he is given, all I saw was a character who is incredibly self-centered, selfish and attention-hungry most especially in his relationship. He cheated on his boyfriend just because his boyfriend who was working in another city couldn’t pick up his call once or a couple of times, and only a very few weeks after being apart. And despite having made a huge brouhaha over said boyfriend receiving some texts (without reciprocating) from another guy, and calling it cheating some episodes before. Then when he tells his boyfriend about the cheating, his first instinct is to blame it on Kurt, saying that Kurt should have been there when he “needed” him. Basically, in his hypocrisy, he cheated because he needed attention.
Thereafter, the high schooler goes on a wide open crying spree about losing the love of his life while the show doesn’t bother showing how Kurt is coping, still manages to crush hard on a straight friend and want to get in his pants, check out other guys, to end up the season with acting like a stalker unwilling to listen and buying an engagement ring for Kurt just because gay people can finally get married. Never mind that he’s still in high school and that Kurt is saying over and over that they are now only just friends, which is already way nice IMO, but who’s listening to him? It's like Kurt's perceived as the little "queeny" diva throwing a tantrum and blind to what's supposedly good for him. I’m not even mentioning the fact that in general – though as I said I haven’t watched and can’t make myself watch everything – the times the character (Blaine) seems to be doing something questionable, it is pretty much always Kurt who is made to come and find him to either apologize or make him feel better. And yet it seems most fans, media and the show itself can’t wait to force them back together.
Basically, I am left to wonder what exactly is so amazing about the character of Blaine, the actor who plays him, and heck, honestly, the show as a whole. The best that could happen if the show is to go on would be for the show to let the character of Kurt for once stand up for himself, stick to his “we are only friends” stance and find someone else better suited for him. Same for Blaine, I think the kid needs someone at his constant beck and call. And also write much, much better and give other more interesting and more talented characters/actors their chance to shine. As for me, I think I got my fill, as little as it was, lol. Maybe it was never meant to be my cup of tea, but from my understanding, the first and second seasons were the best in every aspect, including ratings. After my experience with Nip/Tuck, I just wonder what it is with Ryan Murphy. He can get a great start on shows, but then it quickly takes a major tumble and goes downhill from there. I just don't get it.
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Post by daeva on Aug 4, 2013 18:04:25 GMT -5
First, RIP, Mr. Monteith. That was really sad. Despite never being intrigued by the show, I was recently shown some of it, mostly Klaine parts. I saw a few things here and there and read about the rest. But for all the cries of cuteness about this Klaine pairing, what I mostly gathered was anything but. Warning: it's long. The show (and apparently fans and the media) appears to want to depict Blaine as the most precious, interesting and romantic individual there is, but for all the screen time he is given, all I saw was a character who is incredibly self-centered, selfish and attention-hungry most especially in his relationship. He cheated on his boyfriend just because his boyfriend who was working in another city couldn’t pick up his call once or a couple of times, and only a very few weeks after being apart. And despite having made a huge brouhaha over said boyfriend receiving some texts (without reciprocating) from another guy, and calling it cheating some episodes before. Then when he tells his boyfriend about the cheating, his first instinct is to blame it on Kurt, saying that Kurt should have been there when he “needed” him. Basically, in his hypocrisy, he cheated because he needed attention. Thereafter, the high schooler goes on a wide open crying spree about losing the love of his life while the show doesn’t bother showing how Kurt is coping, still manages to crush hard on a straight friend and want to get in his pants, check out other guys, to end up the season with acting like a stalker unwilling to listen and buying an engagement ring for Kurt just because gay people can finally get married. Never mind that he’s still in high school and that Kurt is saying over and over that they are now only just friends, which is already way nice IMO, but who’s listening to him? It's like Kurt's perceived as the little "queeny" diva throwing a tantrum and blind to what's supposedly good for him. I’m not even mentioning the fact that in general – though as I said I haven’t watched and can’t make myself watch everything – the times the character (Blaine) seems to be doing something questionable, it is pretty much always Kurt who is made to come and find him to either apologize or make him feel better. And yet it seems most fans, media and the show itself can’t wait to force them back together. Basically, I am left to wonder what exactly is so amazing about the character of Blaine, the actor who plays him, and heck, honestly, the show as a whole. The best that could happen if the show is to go on would be for the show to let the character of Kurt for once stand up for himself, stick to his “we are only friends” stance and find someone else better suited for him. Same for Blaine, I think the kid needs someone at his constant beck and call. And also write much, much better and give other more interesting and more talented characters/actors their chance to shine. As for me, I think I got my fill, as little as it was, lol. Maybe it was never meant to be my cup of tea, but from my understanding, the first and second seasons were the best in every aspect, including ratings. After my experience with Nip/Tuck, I just wonder what it is with Ryan Murphy. He can get a great start on shows, but then it quickly takes a major tumble and goes downhill from there. I just don't get it. ***Standing ovation*** |
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Post by kevvoi on Aug 5, 2013 15:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 26, 2013 21:16:56 GMT -5
For those of you who don't want to be spoiled before you watch it, stop reading now.  The first half of the season premiere just finished broadcasting where I live, so here goes: Heh. In the first few minutes, I was wondering if they had dropped the marriage idea. About 20 minutes in, I started to wonder if they were going to end the episode with a marriage proposal, and I wasn't sure what to think about that. Turns out I was right  . Let it not be said that they don't know how to put on a show. Blaine was always a consummate showman, ever since day one. And his words to Kurt were very poetic. I'm still not sure what to think about the idea. If the writers were better (hope springs eternal ), they might do a good job of it this year. I guess only time will tell, but for now I'm willing to roll with it. But ... one comment from Blaine sticks in my mind. "Kurt and I will have a happy ending." The cynic in me reads too much into that... |
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Post by kevvoi on Sept 27, 2013 6:49:04 GMT -5
No idea how long this clip will stay online, but here is a clip from the latest episode, courtesy of officialswiftiegleek:
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 29, 2013 0:21:39 GMT -5
This is a great site that I use to watch Kurt and Blaine clips (separate and together) Klaine Edits klaine-edits.tumblr.com/ |
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 31, 2013 18:23:36 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 5, 2013 8:00:56 GMT -5
It's curious how Alex is getting more attention than the people who won the Glee project
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 5, 2013 21:27:52 GMT -5
I think he gets more attention because unlike so many other people from that show is personality stands out and he does have a great voice. And if you haven't noticed about shows like that most of the time it is better not to have won. Case in point Adam Lambert.
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 6, 2013 17:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Nov 7, 2013 13:54:37 GMT -5
I think he gets more attention because unlike so many other people from that show is personality stands out and he does have a great voice. And if you haven't noticed about shows like that most of the time it is better not to have won. Case in point Adam Lambert. I'm pretty sure Will Young, Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood disagree with that. The truth is he is different, and he is totally comfortable with himself wich helps a lot when you have to connect with an audience |
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Post by LadyArmand on Nov 7, 2013 15:02:00 GMT -5
I think he gets more attention because unlike so many other people from that show is personality stands out and he does have a great voice. And if you haven't noticed about shows like that most of the time it is better not to have won. Case in point Adam Lambert. I'm pretty sure Will Young, Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood disagree with that. The truth is he is different, and he is totally comfortable with himself wich helps a lot when you have to connect with an audience You named three out of how many other who have won. My point is that people like Adam Lambert and Jenifer Hudson, as well as Alex have proven that sometimes not wininning is better for your career than winning. |
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 22, 2013 7:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Mar 5, 2014 18:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 2, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 4, 2014 16:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Apr 9, 2014 19:48:06 GMT -5
Well, yesterday's episode ("Bash") was very ... Glee.  Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I wasn't particularly moved by Kurt getting beaten up. I did like that he was trying to defend someone, though, and that it wasn't a random attack. Unfortunately I expect the event will be fully forgotten by next week. It's been nice the last couple of weeks to see more of Kurt & Blaine together. I'm curious if they're planning to continue that relationship development arc. Given the way the show has done it in the past, I'm not particularly hopeful that it will have a lot of depth.  But I guess we'll see. |
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Post by LadyArmand on Apr 9, 2014 22:04:26 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I don't watch Glee on a regular basis, that I liked Bash, because it touched on things that people tend to gloss over. Even if as has been poined out it was done in a Glee way. I think that people tend to gloss over the fact that there are still people out there who are threatened and offended by interracial relationships, that it is partiuclarly true when black women date white men. I think people tend to gloss over the fact that in New York for whatever reason hate crimes are on the rise. The point of this episode to me at least isan't that it was done in a Glee way, but that it was done at all, because these are topics that most other shows on television today tend not to tocuh on in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 20:52:56 GMT -5
I made the mistake of stumbling upon an episode of this show unexpectedly yesterday and i still cannot believe what I've seen. It was IMO a train wreck, and it took me too long to finally look away again. Really, it's my own fault; I should have known better than to give this any kind of shot again.
I saw so many scenes of Blaine basically being one of the worst TV characters I have seen in more recent times, many villains included. It is as if all bad opinions I had formed of him were intensified to ridiculous degrees.
The guy spent his whole time whining, psychologically manipulating, guilt-tripping and even attacking his "fiance". And what was Kurt's crime? Becoming so attractive to others, strong and self-reliant that Blaine felt like the power dynamic shifted in their relationship. In his own appalling words, he blamed Kurt for no longer being the weak and less manly one in need of Blaine-the-hero in the relationship, for getting too strong and so appealing that Kurt is the one now getting attention from other people. He even tried to get Kurt to fatten up and called him manorexic. He wasn't jealous because people might be hitting on his fiance, but because it didn't make sense to him that all of a sudden people saw "Kurt" (the way he even spit out his "fiance"'s name while saying that was oh so demeaning) as hot stuff. He even managed to roll his eyes at the mention of his previous cheating and turn the blame around again on Kurt when Kurt found out Blaine spent more time on porn sites than he's willing to get intimate with Kurt. This jealous, manipulative, condescending and self-righteous jerk.
To make matters worse, while looking around a couple of reviews to see if I was the only one feeling this way about a character that apparently the writers expect people to fawn over, I found out that he blamed Kurt for getting stronger when actually last episode, Kurt was physically bashed after saving another person from an attack. Blaine also apparently managed to rewrite history in saying that Kurt kicked him out of his apartment when in fact he's the one who suggested moving out.
This isn't even about the fact that I think Kurt is the superior character played by the superior actor and performer (which I do), it is the appalling characterization and writing here. Are we really expected to be blind to how truly toxic the Blaine character and this pairing are? Why should Kurt continue to flatline for this guy? I can't seem to find anything redeeming here and while I tend to be more lenient with teenage characters because they still need to grow, I just can't here. If only he would at least get called out on all of this. Instead, he's truly atrocious and yet he still gets coddled, comforted and handed everything he wants. I can't even imagine how worse he can get.
Man, I think I needed this rant after yesterday.
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Post by LadyArmand on Apr 17, 2014 5:55:06 GMT -5
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That's what you personally took away from it. However, there are many relationships that suffer once they move on to the next level and whether you personally want to admit it or not it is actually realisitic. Blaine was displaying his insecurities (because every teenager in fact every person has them no matter who they are or where they come from). This happens a great deal when people who were a big fish in small pond go somewhere like New York where they are a little fish in a huge not even pond but ocean. All relationships have power dynamics, some are overt (as Blaine and Kurt's was in the beginning of their relationship) and others are subtle and either way people get comfortable with the dynamics and the roles they play within the relationship. When they are overt the shift in that dynamic is also blatantly overt as well and it can be unnerving and cause insecurities to arise. Blaine is coming from a small town where he was a big deal, now in New York at a school with other extremely talented people Kurt included, he doesn't shine as brightly and it is unsetteling to him, not to mention that when he met Kurt he was very much the support system, he was the steady strong protector if you will and now Kurt doesn't need that from him, at least not in the same ways he used to. So for him it's like if he can't protect Kurt, why does Kurt need him. And let me tell you that that happens in a lot of relationships where one person assumes a role and when the other person outgrows the need for them to have that role, the relationship changes. Now either they adapt or the relationship ends, but no matter which happens it is a realisitc depeiction of what does happen out in the real world. And it's not about guilt tripping someone or being manipulaive, it's about struggling to figure out where they belong in the relationship now that the role they had is no longer necessary. And if that role they played is no longer necessary trying to figure out if they are no longer necessary to the person they love.
Bliane never said he didn't want Kurt to continue to grow and change, he said that he was afraid that if Kurt continued to grow and change that one day Kurt would wake up look beside him and say I don't love him anymore. And that's real. Kurt reasuring Blaine that it wouldn't happen is also real (because that's what you do when you love someone and you see they are hurting). That's a fear people have when they see their relationship is changing and that the person they love is changing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not one to give this show props for much if hardly anything at all. Right now from what I've seen of these past two episodes, the struggles that Bliane and Kurt are having when it comes to adjusting their expectations of each other as well as the changing dynamics of their relationship is one of the most realistic depections on the show. That isn't to say that there aren't flaws with the show as a whole and this storyline in particular, but I don't think it is nearly as horrfic as you have painted it. And I think that mostly comes from your dislike if not all out hatred for the character of Blaine as well as your overly idealized picture of the character of Kurt.
Kurt being sensitive to the feelings of his partner the person he has committed himself to marrying, isn't a sign of weakness or coddling, that's what happens in relationships when one person is struggling with the image they have of themselvs and the relationship and the other person is dedicated to them. Could Kurt and Blaine handle things better? Of course they could. But once again these are supposed to still be teenagers/young adultd dealing in an adult world with very adult situations and you have many older people who don't seen to know how to deal with it either so why come down so hard on Blaine for being insecure about his relationship? He'll either get over it or the relationship ends. Again realistic however it works itself out.
At least that's the view from my particular bridge...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 16:27:29 GMT -5
I appreciate your thoughts, LadyArmand. And were it about different characters or ones I knew nothing previously about, it'd possibly work. But my views are in no way changed, simply because this is all a pattern with Blaine. The situation apparently in NY just accentuated issues with this character that were already there and I had pointed them out before. It just gets worse, and most of all, he is just not called on it, especially in the long-term and there is no maturing. I'm also sure with these writers that he won't stay out of the so-called spotlight long despite this alleged insecurity tantrum.
It was just plain insensitive of him to imply to someone who got bashed not long ago, that there's something, anything wrong in them getting stronger. The fact that he was jealous of his fiance - I repeat his fiance - for getting more attention than him or simply getting hotter to the point of intentionally trying to sabotage his diet is also at least disconcerting and troubling. I would have gotten jealousy over people trying to flirt with his man, but that's not what was going on here. Similarly, there's just no excuse for rewriting history like he does just so Kurt feels bad. He just lied to blame Kurt, again. The fact also that he made no apologies for avoiding intimacy with Kurt in favor of porn sites shows how self-centered he is. What about how Kurt feels about his fiance not wanting to get intimate and then not even bothering to feel sorry about preferring porn? The same fiance who preferred cheating with a Facebook hook-up instead of talking about his attention issues of a couple of weeks with his boyfriend. I mean, these aren't interpretations, they are canon facts as far as I remember.
I'm also not sure I buy the fact that Blaine was always the one being the support system for Kurt. Kurt has seemed from my recollection as someone who could very well stand up for himself; the fact that Blaine saw himself as his eternal hero at all times, as self-involved as he is, doesn't really surprise me, but I don't see it as completely accurate. I even recall at least one instance where Blaine did literally (intentionally or not) steal the spotlight from Kurt and it's Kurt who came later with flowers for him and encouraged him.
It's not even about one part of a pairing feeling or not feeling a certain way in new circumstances, but the fact that he feels entitled to lash out at his fiance about it, truth and history be damned. It's just funny that when I venture a look back on the show, the character didn't even stay as bad as the initial impression I had of him, but got worse, on literally every single one of the traits I had called him out on. It was all in character based on what I'd seen before to me, just more accentuated. I'm kind of glad I wasn't alone in seeing how problematic this whole thing was to be honest. Someone even pointed out that Blaine had once in recent times made a puppet of Kurt and said he'd miss that puppet because unlike the real deal, it did anything he said. Maybe it was supposed to be seen as funny, but again, it's just in character to me. It all fits and what I saw in that last episode made it just that more obvious. So no, I don't think I exaggerated. Really a terrible character to me who, to make matters worse, doesn't really own up to it. Instead he gets to be the one to play the victim and needing to be comforted after a tirade with clear words to the effect that the balance used to be and should still be Kurt being the more ignored and less "strong" one. He clearly said that he was "losing" for the first time; that's not a relationship, it's a competition and there's nothing healthy about it. He just needs to find the damsel in distress I don't think Kurt ever fully was and call it a day. But it's alright, I don't really intend to subject myself to it much more anyway, so the rants won't have to be a usual occurrence, lol.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 17, 2014 19:34:24 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying, macari, but I really can't get too hung up on how the show presents the characters. Mostly because the show is just so incredibly bad at characterization that I'm often inclined to not give much weight to it when they try. I came to that conclusion long ago, after I had tried to interpret some events that just didn't make sense. I just get the feeling that the writers don't really put enough thought into it, so I don't, either. For what it's worth, I tend to see this week's episode more from LadyArmand's point of view. I think Blaine is adjusting to his new life, and things are changing faster than he expected them to. So he was acting out and wasn't actually talking to Kurt. Which, interestingly, is kind of the same thing that happened when Kurt went to NY; he actually started ignoring Blaine's calls. That doesn't mean Blaine wasn't a jerk about it. Either way, I'm sure it'll be forgotten by next week. |
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Post by kevvoi on Apr 17, 2014 20:47:25 GMT -5
I have given up on any consistency in Glee's characterization of any of the major characters -- every one of them seems to be somewhat multi-polar depending on which person wrote the episode. I think for awhile they had no idea how to write either Blaine or Kurt.
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Post by daleeryohm on Apr 18, 2014 2:02:56 GMT -5
And for what its worth, i completely agree with you macari.
The Klaine relationship has always been pretty toxic, but its increased in degree over the seasons to the point of mindblowing ridiculousness since before Blaine even cheated. But as believing his own hype as Blaine's always been, i have a hard time believing ANYONE would lack the maturity at this age to feel and behave this vile. You have to question whether or not he's in love with Kurt, because how could he possibly be? And Kurt's too smart and self-respecting to subject himself to any of it. So you would think, with as divisive as Klaine's always been within the Glee fandom anyway, that the writers and producers wouldnt be writing what comes across as the exact opposite of a good endgame relationship.
I hope youre on tumblr, macari, and not just in here. Plenty of respectful and likeminded people on there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:39:55 GMT -5
And for what its worth, i completely agree with you macari. The Klaine relationship has always been pretty toxic, but its increased in degree over the seasons to the point of mindblowing ridiculousness since before Blaine even cheated. But as believing his own hype as Blaine's always been, i have a hard time believing ANYONE would lack the maturity at this age to feel and behave this vile. You have to question whether or not he's in love with Kurt, because how could he possibly be? And Kurt's too smart and self-respecting to subject himself to any of it. So you would think, with as divisive as Klaine's always been within the Glee fandom anyway, that the writers and producers wouldnt be writing what comes across as the exact opposite of a good endgame relationship. I hope youre on tumblr, macari, and not just in here. Plenty of respectful and likeminded people on there. I'm not and sadly I severely lack on what I'm guessing relates to social media. I'm not in the slightest concerned about viewing things wrong here because in this instance I have to say it's not at all about interpretations or perceptions, these are things that are plainly said and done onscreen. I definitely saw troubling things before the cheating in the little I'd seen before too. I've mentioned before in another thread I think an incident in a car before the couple's first time which I found pretty disturbing. The show might be a miss on a lot, but there's definitely a consistent pattern with the Blaine character; the show just seems to normalize it. I'm glad there are more people out there seeing all that for what it is though, as useless as it's likely to turn out. This is a Ryan Murphy show after all, lol. They'll likely get married and live unhappily ever after (Kurt especially). |
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The first half of the season premiere just finished broadcasting where I live, so here goes:
. Let it not be said that they don't know how to put on a show. Blaine was always a consummate showman, ever since day one. And his words to Kurt were very poetic. I'm still not sure what to think about the idea. If the writers were better (hope springs eternal 
Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I wasn't particularly moved by Kurt getting beaten up. I did like that he was trying to defend someone, though, and that it wasn't a random attack. Unfortunately I expect the event will be fully forgotten by next week.
But I guess we'll see.
