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Post by overtherainbow on Apr 19, 2016 13:09:45 GMT -5
I'm so sad  I was just getting into the Ben and Paul storyline Sorry, but I will NOT watch a potential Ben and Johnny love story. Ben and Paul had amazing chemistry. This SUCKS! YET ANOTHER GAY TV COUPLE DOWN THE DRAIN. We have currently like 4 gay storylines on tv... combined in USA and the UK |
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Post by Zathras on Apr 19, 2016 19:43:33 GMT -5
Aw, crap. They just started to work on Ben and Johnny before Johnny left. Now that Ben and Paul are heating up, Paul is leaving. I just hope they don't kill him off.  |
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Post by carld2 on Apr 21, 2016 6:07:46 GMT -5
Paul was never given a chance. He was a clumsy placeholder for Johnny in a tawdry, half-assed affair storyline that did nothing to set up any real feelings between Paul and Ben. He had no real development with anyone else - no friends, no purpose, just the Les/Christine story that was dropped like a hot potato. Only recently did they even try to establish that Ben saw Paul as anything but a booty call. In spite of this, Harry Reid and Jonny Labey worked well together (far more than Harry ever did with Sam Strike), and Jonny gets the sack for it.
I like the new Johnny, but I'm not going to support a prefab, lazy insta-pairing with Ben. I hate the idea that the two only gay characters around must be put together. It just shows how punishing and narrow the scope for gay characters on soaps is.
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Post by overtherainbow on Apr 22, 2016 4:39:52 GMT -5
Paul was never given a chance. He was a clumsy placeholder for Johnny in a tawdry, half-assed affair storyline that did nothing to set up any real feelings between Paul and Ben. He had no real development with anyone else - no friends, no purpose, just the Les/Christine story that was dropped like a hot potato. Only recently did they even try to establish that Ben saw Paul as anything but a booty call. In spite of this, Harry Reid and Jonny Labey worked well together (far more than Harry ever did with Sam Strike), and Jonny gets the sack for it. I like the new Johnny, but I'm not going to support a prefab, lazy insta-pairing with Ben. I hate the idea that the two only gay characters around must be put together. It just shows how punishing and narrow the scope for gay characters on soaps is. How do you know Jonny Labey got the sack? I got the feeling he wasn't happy and that's why he left. It doesn't make any sense to sack him now as the storyline with Ben and Paul was just about to get more screen time. |
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Post by carld2 on Apr 22, 2016 12:09:15 GMT -5
I thought the early articles said he did. It also just sort of fit together for me that he'd go when Johnny Carter came back. Who knows.
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Post by Zathras on Apr 22, 2016 19:04:10 GMT -5
Nothing I've read (which admittedly isn't all that much) suggests Jonny L was fired. I suppose nothing's impossible, but Paul really had very little to do over the last year. Not really much meaty acting material to work with. I could imagine that, as an actor, it's enough to make one want to leave.
The utter lack of reasonable development and screen time for some characters has long been a major problem for EastEnders. I don't know if they just have too many characters to be able to devote enough time to them all, or if they really just prefer to focus on a small number of "favorites." In either case, they should reduce the cast so they can have better focus. Or maybe it's something else.
I also doubt that Ben and Paul were going to get much more screen time (unfortunately), considering how EE works.
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Post by dalphine on May 10, 2016 12:09:05 GMT -5
Is it true that John Partridge is coming back to Eastenders?
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Post by lexmoon on May 10, 2016 13:54:10 GMT -5
Is it true that John Partridge is coming back to Eastenders? Yes but only for a short stay |
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Post by dalphine on May 11, 2016 19:53:44 GMT -5
Okay, thanks for answering my question.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 4, 2016 3:04:40 GMT -5
Is it true Paul will die and that's why his mom will be back? |
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Post by Zathras on Jul 5, 2016 19:56:36 GMT -5
I don't know. Considering how the show has played up Paul's exit, it wouldn't surprise me if they kill him off. I really hope they don't - yet another dead gay man on TV - but at this point I'm not holding my breath.  |
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 7, 2016 13:17:03 GMT -5
So they're definitely gonna kill Paul off then. Great.. another dead gay character.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jul 11, 2016 20:36:43 GMT -5
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Post by justinate on Jul 11, 2016 23:13:02 GMT -5
I can't believe they are killing off Ben. This is the first big story of the new producer and it sucks massively. Ben is a Mitchell and a Beale. He's not even out of his teens yet. He should be fueling stories for years to come. Instead we are losing him and Paul in short order.
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 12, 2016 2:17:54 GMT -5
Killing off a legacy character like Ben Mitchell should not be allowed ffs. Just as he finally accepted he was gay they kill him off, so typical. And just like justinate said, they could have storylines for years with him, considering he's a Mitchell. Instead they go for a lame ass plot twist and kills him off. I am so pissed off right now.
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Post by kevvoi on Jul 12, 2016 7:44:44 GMT -5
I am wondering if it is a bit of misdirection - as we know that Paul is leaving the show. Perhaps at the hospital it is a case of mistaken identification and in reality it is Paul that had been taken to the hospital?
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Post by Zathras on Jul 12, 2016 19:39:52 GMT -5
That's what I've been thinking ever since the spoilers of an accident involving Ben showed up. My guess is it'll be a case of mistaken identity, and that it's really Paul that has died. I hope (that's a weird thing to say). I really would hate to think that Ben dies and then Paul just leaves (or worse). I'll keep my fingers crossed. It's kind of a sad state of affairs to hope that only one gay leaves a show instead of two. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Jul 15, 2016 15:03:25 GMT -5
I am wondering if it is a bit of misdirection - as we know that Paul is leaving the show. Perhaps at the hospital it is a case of mistaken identification and in reality it is Paul that had been taken to the hospital? After today's episode I'm pretty sure you're right. Because of the tattoo there will be a mix up. |
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Post by justinate on Jul 16, 2016 10:34:22 GMT -5
Yes I am now convinced you are right too, Kevvoi - after this week's episodes (not just the tattoo, but Paul heading out without his wallet) and rereading the spoilers (which always emphasize "Ben's loved ones are TOLD he is dead" rather than saying outright "Ben is dead").
It is desperately sad that Paul dies and his grandparents, mother and boyfriend aren't even aware. The Cokers will have lost their last surviving descendant - the grandchild they brought up for 20 years. Paul's mother will never have the chance to get to know her son - just as Pam readied to tell him the truth about her. And Ben, who has finally accepted his love for Paul and decided they will make a life together as co-managers of the funeral parlour, is going to have that ripped out from under him. But it is so typical of EE, always the most depressing soap, to give us an ending like this!
But where is Ben? The last we saw, the two of them headed out together for a night out and Paul winds up in the hospital with fatal injuries following an "incident". What kind of incident? I really hope it is not a gay-bashing; that will really be cruel, not to mention undo all of Ben's progress if he associates publicly displaying his affection for his boyfriend with paying the ultimate price!
On a separate note, I see Steven is interacting with Johnny and flirting a little. Please tell me it is leading somewhere. Steven seems very happy with Lauren but he does have a spark with Johnny and I'm excited for them to explore that. Maybe with all the conversation Lauren's been having about cheating, it's an omen for the same thing to happen to her? And I have to admit - I'd be thrilled if the two lads get it on. I was never enamoured of Steven in his first run, but Aaron Sidwell has certainly grown up HOT.
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Post by atlanticslide on Jul 17, 2016 12:34:10 GMT -5
It sounds like there's some sort of incident or accident (I hope not anything related to homophobia either - I think that would have some really negative connotations to have Ben finally comfortable with himself and expressing his feelings openly only to be attacked immediately after) and both Ben and Paul end up in the hospital, Paul dies and there's a case of mistaken identity in which the doctors think it's Ben and so they tell the Mitchells that Ben's died. The last episode seemed to be dropping a lot of little hints that seem like they'll tie into this (though I can't quite tell how yet) - the tattoos of each other's names, Paul taking a picture of the family and texting it to himself, Ben telling Paul not to take his wallet out with them, etc.
I think it'll be interesting to see this play out, but I'm bummed that it seems very likely that Paul is being killed off, especially before his mother has a chance to reconnect with him.
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Post by Zathras on Jul 17, 2016 20:08:22 GMT -5
I really, really hope they don't suffer a gay-bashing. Assuming Ben is alive, it would push his progress back a lot once he learns Paul's fate. The spoilers suggest an accident, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. |
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Post by Zathras on Aug 15, 2016 19:39:48 GMT -5
Yeah, DS likes to be a bit redundant. The last two are from their per-day spoiler summaries, while the first is just a "special" article about one specific storyline or event. Usually their "special" articles don't say anything new. Oh, well. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Aug 23, 2016 14:14:58 GMT -5
EastEnders used to be my favorite soap, but now with all of my favorite characters leaving I just can't be bothered anymore. I think the new producer is making a huge mistake. Only time will tell if viewers agree and the ratings go down or not.
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Post by carld2 on Aug 25, 2016 8:04:11 GMT -5
I'm very pleased about Colin's return. He wasn't the first gay character on a soap (that was Gordon on Brookside), but he was a hugely important character in a turbulent time for gay men, and on one of the most popular, well-known shows in the UK. Beyond that, he was also a wonderful character - funny, dramatic...real.
I have nothing good to say about DTC's "kindness agenda" - he has consistently told some of the most anti-gay stories I've ever seen on a soap - but I'm happy I'll get to see Colin one last time. I hope they don't screw it up.
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Post by overtherainbow on Aug 25, 2016 11:35:54 GMT -5
I'm very pleased about Colin's return. He wasn't the first gay character on a soap (that was Gordon on Brookside), but he was a hugely important character in a turbulent time for gay men, and on one of the most popular, well-known shows in the UK. Beyond that, he was also a wonderful character - funny, dramatic...real. I have nothing good to say about DTC's "kindness agenda" - he has consistently told some of the most anti-gay stories I've ever seen on a soap - but I'm happy I'll get to see Colin one last time. I hope they don't screw it up. Sorry but nope, this does not make me wanna watch. I am still annoyed that they decided to get rid of three brilliant characters, Paul, Roxie and Ronnie. |
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I was just getting into the Ben and Paul storyline 
