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Post by mona on Nov 22, 2009 17:31:13 GMT -5
I don't know but I fear they're taking it too far. I tend to dislike couples when only once the slightest idea of phsyical abuse comes up and I know he isn't doing it then but alone the fact that he wanted to and is watching when others do is really unfortunate for a lovestory. I wish they wouldn't have gone so far with this embarrassing street gang and when I read "Pitbull"  But I hope now is the change and it won't come across too horrible. What's also "weird" is the mention of Leon celebrating his "success" the whole night. |
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Post by stl29tide on Nov 23, 2009 2:25:39 GMT -5
Dane, have you been reading FanFic lately??? If so, I think it's time to slow down. If not, I think you should write some 'cause I'd totally read it! : )
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Post by dane323 on Nov 23, 2009 3:27:03 GMT -5
Well, thank you, All! You're all too kind! Honestly, the writers have really painted themselves into quite the corner with these new revelations! Though I'm sure they've got it all mapped out and should (hopefully!) give us all the necessary relief for Cenny as a future couple, while still remaining believable. They'd better! Although, it would be funny if Carsten woke from his coma with full amnesia, and didn't even remember that he was gay and started dating Lucy instead. Poor Lenny then!!! (Serves him right)
Oh, btw, I used translation services to see if I could glean any further nuances from the German versions of the spoilers. And it did seem to indicate that Lenny gets beaten up for coming to Carsten's defense. Liz, did you get that sense for sure one way or the other? The guilty line that caught my eye was in Spoiler 4402: "Dismayed, he holds stopped and looked at with, gets beaten like Reimann." I know we've been kind of assuming that, but this version of the translation seemed more clear on that point.
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Post by dane323 on Nov 23, 2009 3:49:29 GMT -5
Oh, another possibility is that perhaps Lenny himself doesn't quite know the full extent of the "trap" that he's leading Carsten into. Perhaps, the gang has told him that they are just going to have some strong words with Carsten. But when he & Carsten show up, the gang has bats in hand instead, which is a total surprise for Lenny too. It doesn't let Lenny off the hook entirely, but the intent for physical violence may never have been there with him.
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 23, 2009 5:43:06 GMT -5
Well, Dane, my translation skills are not brilliant, but I definitely got that sentence right.  It says in German "Bestürzt hält er inne und sieht mit an, wie Reimann verprügelt wird." It's definitely [...] and he watches, as Reimann gets beaten up. I guess the translator translated the word "wie" with "like", but there are more ways to translate that word. The only way to read the spoilers the way that Lenny helps Carsten, is the beginning of the next spoiler, when we see that Lenny passes out as well and why else would he pass out, if he didn't help Carsten? |
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Post by mona on Nov 23, 2009 6:18:28 GMT -5
It's possible alone the fact he isn't helping them could lead to it. He can't say "I didn't feel like it" and everything is okay.
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Post by lovecars100 on Nov 23, 2009 9:26:38 GMT -5
Thanks Dane. I could totally see that working out! Lenny panics in a losing battle to explain himself. I loved this, this is just pure Lenny:) *Goes off to imagine the various scenes involved in Dane's narrative till Wuschel's clips are up* |
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 23, 2009 9:37:13 GMT -5
I agree with everyone here. Lenny will obviously have some MAJOR hurdles to overcome if he is to regain Carsten's trust & love. Anyone care to make predictions? Here's mine... Carsten will eventually wake from his coma. He won't remember what happened that fateful day that he was bludgeoned, nor how he wound up in the hospital. He'll simply open his eyes to see Lenny lying asleep next to him in the hospital bed. To Carsten, it will play out like he awoke to the most wonderful of dreams...the love of his life suddenly caring for him, no longer angry and scared. They share kisses and loving carresses, and Lenny eventually takes him home with him. However, an uneasy silence surrounds the events of that day months earlier. Of course, Carsten is told of what happened by Lucy & others. However, only Lenny knows the real truth of his own Judas involvement. Though Lenny remains racked with guilt, he keeps his role secret. But as Carsten's body heals, so does his mind. He begins remembering flashes...horrific snippets of memory...until finally the details of that day become clear again! Carsten is enraged. Lenny panics in a losing battle to explain himself. As Carsten leaves Lenny, Lucy too is horrified by the truth. Suddenly, Lenny finds that he has lost everyone who had remained in his life after his coming out. He starts drinking, loses his job, is thrown out of his apartment... He has basically given up on life. Lucy finds him. Seeing the dire straits that her brother is in, she takes him in to help rehabilitate him. She reaches out to Carsten to please re-enter Lenny's life, help him out of this abyss he has sunk himself into. Carsten is resistant. But that spark of love was never entirely extinguished. Once he actually sees the pitiful state Lenny has become, he finds it in his heart to forgive him. He embraces Lenny again, much to Lenny's sobbing sorrow, and Carsten's role as Lenny's savior is finally complete. Their relationship has begun to truly heal and move forward. They become daytime's newest supercouple.... Oh God, that is sooo incredibly cliche. LOL. So he doesn't wake up being able to speak english then  ;D |
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Post by dane323 on Nov 23, 2009 11:28:00 GMT -5
Well, Dane, my translation skills are not brilliant, but I definitely got that sentence right. It says in German "Bestürzt hält er inne und sieht mit an, wie Reimann verprügelt wird." It's definitely [...] and he watches, as Reimann gets beaten up. I guess the translator translated the word "wie" with "like", but there are more ways to translate that word. The only way to read the spoilers the way that Lenny helps Carsten, is the beginning of the next spoiler, when we see that Lenny passes out as well and why else would he pass out, if he didn't help Carsten? Well, shoot! I guess I'm desperate to see Lenny innocent...or at least less guilty. Stupid non-Liz translator teasing me!!! ;D Thanks for the clarification, Liz! You're the best! (And I'm still Lenny-level jealous of you!!!!) |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 23, 2009 12:14:49 GMT -5
Well, Dane, my translation skills are not brilliant, but I definitely got that sentence right. It says in German "Bestürzt hält er inne und sieht mit an, wie Reimann verprügelt wird." It's definitely [...] and he watches, as Reimann gets beaten up. I guess the translator translated the word "wie" with "like", but there are more ways to translate that word. The only way to read the spoilers the way that Lenny helps Carsten, is the beginning of the next spoiler, when we see that Lenny passes out as well and why else would he pass out, if he didn't help Carsten? Well, shoot! I guess I'm desperate to see Lenny innocent...or at least less guilty. Stupid non-Liz translator teasing me!!! ;D Thanks for the clarification, Liz! You're the best! (And I'm still Lenny-level jealous of you!!!!) Anytime!  And I totally feel with you, I also want to see Lenny less guilty! But, mona, you do have a point. He might get beaten up, because he doesn't help the gang and therefore they figure he is gay as well and/or does have feelings for Carsten... |
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Post by Nitty on Nov 23, 2009 22:28:59 GMT -5
I think Lenny will help Carsten. I don't think the writers would damage Lenny's rep. that badly. I mean, yeah, they do have him luring Carsten into the trap, but I'm sure they'll try to redeem him a little bit, so that we'll still hold some hope for him and Carsten to become a couple, in the future.
Lenny suddenly realizing that he needs to help his love, and fighting a gang to save him, is romantic. ...The stuff preceding it isn't, but maybe it won't be that bad? *hopes* Maybe Lenny will only witness the first blow, and will immediately go into protection mode, but it will be too late? *really hopes*
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 24, 2009 1:26:28 GMT -5
I think Lenny will help Carsten. I don't think the writers would damage Lenny's rep. that badly. I mean, yeah, they do have him luring Carsten into the trap, but I'm sure they'll try to redeem him a little bit, so that we'll still hold some hope for him and Carsten to become a couple, in the future. Lenny suddenly realizing that he needs to help his love, and fighting a gang to save him, is romantic. ...The stuff preceding it isn't, but maybe it won't be that bad? *hopes* Maybe Lenny will only witness the first blow, and will immediately go into protection mode, but it will be too late? *really hopes* After reading again the spoilers (they're so intentionally vague, as always  ) I tend to agree with you: if Lenny loses his consciousness it got to be because he got beaten up too for the reason that a) he doesn't help the mob to beat Carsten or b) he was really trying to stop them. Either way, I guess it's the beginning of Lenny's redemption  . I don't think the writers will go that far as to make us dislike Lenny to the point of totally risking the viability of the guys as a credible couple. |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 24, 2009 11:20:55 GMT -5
After reading again the spoilers (they're so intentionally vague, as always ) I tend to agree with you: if Lenny loses his consciousness it got to be because he got beaten up too for the reason that a) he doesn't help the mob to beat Carsten or b) he was really trying to stop them. Either way, I guess it's the beginning of Lenny's redemption . I don't think the writers will go that far as to make us dislike Lenny to the point of totally risking the viability of the guys as a credible couple. I also hate the vagueness of the spoilers!! And I also agree that the writers won't make us hate Lenny completely, because that way nobody would want them to end up together. I mean, there are already some people, who say that they want Carsten to end up with someone nicer than Lenny... Concerning the spoiler pics: Gosh, Lenny looks bad! I wonder how poor Bambi will look like?  I'm already nearly crying, this is going to be so dramatic!! Btw, why are they at Mocca? |
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Post by esmi on Nov 24, 2009 11:25:34 GMT -5
Hiya all. I'm kinda new here - and in shock. The spoilerpics Alienamy posted on the Spoilers Only thread show quite explicitly the state of poor manhandled Lenny, too. I cannot even think how badly Carsten must has been beaten up. Oh, why all this violence? I used to think that Cenny chemistry was the hottest thing on daytime TV, but does it really have to be this violent and brutal. I know that it is a device in screenwriting, but it is usually a very cheap one if overemployed.
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Post by dane323 on Nov 24, 2009 12:08:08 GMT -5
Wow, I wasn't expecting Lenny to look that badly beaten up! I thought he'd just have a bump on the head basically. So yeah, poor Carsten must be dressed up like a mummy! (Hey, maybe Carsten won't go away for a bit...they can just use a different actor under all the bandages, heh.)
That is rather odd to see Unconscious!Lenny in Mocca. Notice Carsten's hair & stretcher poking into the pic on the left! His head doesn't seem to be as bandaged up as Lenny's! So, I guess we can infer that Lenny led Carsten into the attack at Mocca??? Jeez, witnesses anyone? Or maybe it was after hours? But that does suggest that Lenny had no idea it was going to turn violent.
Just seeing those pics, I hate to say it but I've already forgiven Lenny. He certainly looks to have paid a heavy price. And how must Iris & Alexander feel to see their baby boy bludgeoned into a hospital bed like that??? How incredibly devastating! And I'm picturing Lucy flying to the hospital right now as those pictures are taken. I also like that Dominik is involved. It'll be interesting to see his reaction to all of these events while Carsten lies in his coma.
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Post by dane323 on Nov 25, 2009 19:02:33 GMT -5
Uh oh, looks like the pressure's really starting to build on Lenny tomorrow. Carsten needs to walk by him right then as he's sitting on the curb by himself in the dark looking miserable...
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 26, 2009 0:48:14 GMT -5
Wow, I wasn't expecting Lenny to look that badly beaten up! I thought he'd just have a bump on the head basically. So yeah, poor Carsten must be dressed up like a mummy! (Hey, maybe Carsten won't go away for a bit...they can just use a different actor under all the bandages, heh.) ;D LOL! You really cracked me up, Dane... ;D And I've already forgiven poor Lenny too, I believe that if he got beaten up so badly because somehow he helped Carsten, that was a hell of a redeeming quality |
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Post by jasmineg on Nov 26, 2009 10:24:41 GMT -5
Ooh, I like those spoilers. Thanks, valso and Levitation! Is Carsten's absence because of Felix's theater thing? When will he be back on the show?
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Post by maya on Nov 26, 2009 10:25:19 GMT -5
I was afraid about how they would write the after bashing but I'm really impressed and excited for the new turn of events. I wonder if they'll make appear Emily a little less of a good girl.
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Post by neenski on Nov 26, 2009 11:39:59 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll make appear Emily a little less of a good girl. When was she ever a good girl, eh? *wry grin* But otherwise, yeah, the new spoilers are good. Now I really am interested to see how it'll all play out when Reimann finally returns... *whistles* |
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Post by dane323 on Nov 26, 2009 11:57:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the new spoilers & translations! Reading them is devastatingly heartwrenching for Lenny (and Carsten). I hope Felix's theater run is only for a month long or so. I can't bear the thought of watching Lenny agonize for so long. It's torture I tells ya!
[And Happy Thanksgiving to all the U.S. readers! Gobble gobble!]
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Post by dane323 on Nov 26, 2009 11:58:59 GMT -5
Wow, I wasn't expecting Lenny to look that badly beaten up! I thought he'd just have a bump on the head basically. So yeah, poor Carsten must be dressed up like a mummy! (Hey, maybe Carsten won't go away for a bit...they can just use a different actor under all the bandages, heh.) ;D LOL! You really cracked me up, Dane... ;D And I've already forgiven poor Lenny too, I believe that if he got beaten up so badly because somehow he helped Carsten, that was a hell of a redeeming quality  Looks like he won't be under the bandages for that long after all. Dang it! |
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 26, 2009 12:59:02 GMT -5
wow - if Carsten is released from hospital before Lenny, then it looks like Lenny took a bigger beating than Carsten  I'm glad that Carsten has not just forgiven Lenny and it's all lovey-dovey again - Lenny needs to show atonement for his behaviour - but I hope this doesn't mean we're gonna have weeks of remorseful Lenny - better buy an extra box of hankies then |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 26, 2009 13:02:55 GMT -5
Me really like the new spoilers!!! ;D I can't really say anything more, I'm just so psyched about Lenny's coming-out and that he finally realizes who his true love is! <3
And I like the way they resolved it with Felix being on tour.
This will be really hard on Lenny. But, hate me now if you want, I think he deserves to be suffering for a while. He's treated Carsten like shit for the past months and he even lead him into the trap, for god's sake! He should feel bad for a while, he needs time to rethink everything and become good!Lenny again. And he needs to show Carsten that he really loves him. I wonder how long it will take Carsten to forgive him...
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Post by Duskysoda on Nov 26, 2009 13:19:01 GMT -5
I don't hate u..Lenny has to earn carsten's love,,,,eat crow...do what he has to do to make carsten believe
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But I hope now is the change and it won't come across too horrible. 
It says in German "Bestürzt hält er inne und sieht mit an, wie Reimann verprügelt wird."
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And I totally feel with you, I also want to see Lenny less guilty!
) I tend to agree with you: if Lenny loses his consciousness it got to be because he got beaten up too for the reason that a) he doesn't help the mob to beat Carsten or b) he was really trying to stop them.
. I don't think the writers will go that far as to make us dislike Lenny to the point of totally risking the viability of the guys as a credible couple.
I'm already nearly crying, this is going to be so dramatic!! 
