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Post by lovecars100 on Nov 26, 2009 13:33:48 GMT -5
Reading the last two spoilers set me wondering... Does Iris and everyone else think that there was a fight between Lenny and Reimann which led to the current situation? Carsten leaves with just a letter for Lenny and Lenny with his guilt admits he beat up Carsten.. So nobody knows of the gang's involvement???  Maybe Lenny will end up in jail and Carsten will come to rescue him? But even then will he be able to forgive Lenny?  Anyways, it will be HUGELY rewarding to see them unite after this drama. Totally loving Carsten and Lenny.  |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 26, 2009 13:42:11 GMT -5
Reading the last two spoilers set me wondering... Does Iris and everyone else think that there was a fight between Lenny and Reimann which led to the current situation? As far as I understood it, Iris probably thinks that Lenny and Carsten fought over Emily and Emily's now Carsten's girlfriend (since I don't think Iris knows that Carsten's gay...). Which is hilarious to me! ;D ;D Carsten leaves with just a letter for Lenny and Lenny with his guilt admits he beat up Carsten.. So nobody knows of the gang's involvement??? Sounds like it. Which sucks!! I really hate them now... Maybe Lenny's trying to show Carsten that he takes the responsibility, that he's realized that he made a huge mistake and deserves punishment. Maybe Lenny will end up in jail and Carsten will come to rescue him? But even then will he be able to forgive Lenny? I don't think that he's going to end up in jail, this would complicate everything even more. But, hey, it's a soap... (And they would need a prison set and many extras) Anyways, it will be HUGELY rewarding to see them unite after this drama. Totally loving Carsten and Lenny. Me too, I love how the story evolves! It's totally believable and makes us like Lenny again, because we'll see him suffer and pine... I just have to say again, I love the slow build-up! |
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Post by neenski on Nov 26, 2009 14:06:20 GMT -5
I think the conversation between Iris and Emily at the end of the spoilers will be cracktastic. Iris: Uh, Emily... I know why this happened. Emily:  Iris: I just have to ask for a small favor: help me Lenny and Reimann have a talk to clear the air, y'know? Emily: Uh... why are you asking *me*? Iris: ... Well, didn't you fall in love with Reimann and that's why they fought? Over you? Emily: WHAAA...!?! Iris: Don't worry, I'm not mad at you. Could you please tell Reimann, aka your new boyfriend, to come and see Lenny? Emily: Woman, you crazy. I now wonder if Emily knew about the 'Lenny: So Totally NOT Gay' backstory, because then she could say, "You know, that thing back then? Turns out it's so totally true. And Mrs Cöster, do me a favor and join PFLAG. Yis." |
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Post by esmi on Nov 26, 2009 14:47:53 GMT -5
Wow. The new spoilers sure give hope for the future  . By the way, this show has made me regret deeply that I did not take German at school (instead of French, dah). Therefore a warm thank you to all of you who are involved in translating the spoilers, clips and interviews etc. Your work is much appreciated. |
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Post by Nitty on Nov 26, 2009 14:53:48 GMT -5
HAHA, Neenski, you so funny! You got Emily's facial expressions down pat. These new spoilers are fuc*ing awesome!  |
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 26, 2009 16:34:41 GMT -5
Wow, I couldn't be happier after reading the last (amazing) spoilers! They sound so dramatic but at the same time plenty of hope for Cenny fans: Lenny will be in full "redemption mode" after his (hopefully) last sin, something we've been waiting for a long time. He will finally come out and fight for Carsten's love. I'm already dying to see him in action...Besides, it will be an excellent opportunity to show us he's as good actor as Felix is (btw, I think he is) Me really like the new spoilers!!! ;D I can't really say anything more, I'm just so psyched about Lenny's coming-out and that he finally realizes who his true love is! <3 And I like the way they resolved it with Felix being on tour. This will be really hard on Lenny. But, hate me now if you want, I think he deserves to be suffering for a while. He's treated Carsten like shit for the past months and he even lead him into the trap, for god's sake! He should feel bad for a while, he needs time to rethink everything and become good!Lenny again. And he needs to show Carsten that he really loves him. I wonder how long it will take Carsten to forgive him... I couldn't agree more with you, Liz, the way they resolved Felix's absence is very satisfying (much more than the way VL resolved Jo Weil's, sending him to a weird trip for 2 months to Ibiza, for example). And it's time for Lenny to understand that "what goes around comes around": he will have to suffer almost the same way he made Carsten suffer. And I really hope Carsten is not that pissed off as to take an eternity to forgive Lenny... |
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 26, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
And DANKE Levitation for the spoilers, valso for the former translation, and neeski for the definitive one. You brought a lot of joy to my day! ;D
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Post by fnord on Nov 26, 2009 18:41:46 GMT -5
And I like the way they resolved it with Felix being on tour. Am I reading it right, that Carsten's just not going to be around for a while, as he tries to avoid Lenny and friends, that's how they're keeping him off camera while he's doing theater-work? If so, it seems more sensible than any of the dozens of other soap-opera-like things they could try to do, I think. Oh, I certainly don't hate you for that, lizkarita! (Though may I be jealous you have a picture of you and Felix together?) I certainly agree with you. Because Lenny has been treating Carsten so poorly, all because of the image he has in his mind of what he should and shouldn't be/do, he has a huge mountain of mistakes to climb over to earn forgiveness from the guy who cares so much for him. |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 26, 2009 19:07:28 GMT -5
And I like the way they resolved it with Felix being on tour. Am I reading it right, that Carsten's just not going to be around for a while, as he tries to avoid Lenny and friends, that's how they're keeping him off camera while he's doing theater-work? If so, it seems more sensible than any of the dozens of other soap-opera-like things they could try to do, I think. Yes, he's gone, it's not explained where he actually went, he's just AWOL. And it's totally understandable (and realistic) in this situation to not stay around the place where he got beaten up by his former "friends" and where he could always run into the guy whom he loves and who really betrayed him. I wouldn't stay around either, the hurt's too much... Maybe Felix' tour was also a reason, why they included the fight. They needed an event that would let Lenny have his complete meltdown and after that realize his feelings for Carsten and also a plausible reason why Carsten would be away for a while. I really love GZSZ's writers! |
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Post by cheerios on Nov 27, 2009 2:23:09 GMT -5
Well it will do them both some good to be away from each other for a while. They both need to heal physically and emotionally. Though I really hope when they reunite we get one of those kisses that stop time.
I'm not surprised that Carsten skipped town, he's been gang bashed by his former friends. The man he loves betrayed him to these former friends. And his own family has turned on him because he's gay. He needs to get out for a fresh start and be by himself for a while. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he came back into town with a boyfriend, just to be a lemon juice in Lenny's paper cut.
Yeah Lenny has a lot to make up for and I can see him trying everything to get Carsten to forgive him and be in a romantic relationship with him. It will be interesting to see Lenny putting in the work to get Carsten back.
When will Felix be back?
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 27, 2009 6:11:59 GMT -5
Though I wouldn't be surprised if he came back into town with a boyfriend, just to be a lemon juice in Lenny's paper cut. ;D ;D Good question - does anyone know how long he is gonna be off the show  |
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Post by a on Nov 27, 2009 7:48:34 GMT -5
As far as I know Felix’s tour will last for a month (November 13th- December 11th).
So, I think, he’s gonna be off the show no longer than for a month too,
and will come back, I hope so, in the first days of February, but maybe in the middle,
since they shoot episodes two month in advance.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Nov 27, 2009 7:55:42 GMT -5
As far as I know Felix’s tour will last for a month (November 13th- December 11th). So, I think, he’s gonna be off the show no longer than for a month too, and will come back, I hope so, in the first days of February, but maybe in the middle, since they shoot episodes two month in advance. Thanks While I do want to see Lenny show remorse & atonement for the way he's treated Carsten - some of that has to be seen with Carsten actually there. |
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Post by cheerios on Nov 27, 2009 13:54:22 GMT -5
Yeah I can see Lenny coming out to his family while Carsten is away. And telling them that he's in love with Carsten. I also see him apologizing to Emily about the whole beard thing because he had cared for her before this all went down. I can see Lucy being there for her brother and maybe getting him to be more accepting of his sexuality.
I can see Carsten being back in town one day and Lucy sees him by chance. She runs over and gives him a big hug hello and tells him how happy she is to see he is back. They start to talk and they fill each other in about what has happen. Carsten tells her he just can't deal with Lenny knowing he's back right now because it still hurts too much. Lucy doesn't like this, but she agrees to keep Carsten's return a secret from Lenny. Than someone like one of Lenny's parents see Carsten across the street and tell Lenny he's back. Down the line Lenny finds out that Lucy knew all along and is mad at her for a while. But she gets the boys together and tells them that she loves both of them. But she doesn't appreciate being put in the middle of what is happening between them and she wishes they would make up.
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Post by dane323 on Nov 27, 2009 18:21:18 GMT -5
Nice, Cherrios! I like that scenario. But damn, I'm going to miss seeing Carsten that month or two that he's gone! I'd love it if they still had Lucy talking to him on the phone at times, but whenever Lenny tries to get her to let him talk to Carsten, Carsten always refuses or hangs up. Throw us some kind of bone in his absence. I mean, I don't see why we should have to suffer just because Lenny screwed up so badly!  |
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 27, 2009 19:52:19 GMT -5
Well, I think Felix will be gone for "only" about a month like Amy said and I doubt that there will be any sign of Carsten during that time. I guess the only thing we can hope for will be flashbacks, but I don't think there will be more than that.
And I agree, I want to see Lenny pine after Carsten, when Carsten is back. Sadist!Me wants to see Carsten talk down Lenny and reject him and show him that he has to make up for all that happened.
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Post by cheerios on Nov 27, 2009 21:28:09 GMT -5
Nice, Cherrios! I like that scenario. But damn, I'm going to miss seeing Carsten that month or two that he's gone! I'd love it if they still had Lucy talking to him on the phone at times, but whenever Lenny tries to get her to let him talk to Carsten, Carsten always refuses or hangs up. Throw us some kind of bone in his absence. I mean, I don't see why we should have to suffer just because Lenny screwed up so badly! I like what your saying about Lucy staying in touch with Carsten, so we can stay in touch through her. And Lucy trying to get Carsten to talk to Lenny with no use. Has anyone hear ever watch the series Les Bleus? It has the gay couple Yann and Kevin. Anyway Yann was involved with Lenny, but he would always keep at arms length. Than one night Kevin decides to take hold of the situation and goes on a sex strike. Two guys see this and gay bash Yann on his way home. After Yann wakes up, Kevin wants them to be serious, but Yann pulls away. Kevin tells Yann off for messing with his heart and his head. In season two, Yann wants to be with Kevin again, but Kevin will hear nothing of it. They have a scene of them fighting, but it is still so romantically/sexually charged. Yann is telling Kevin how much he wants him back, but Kevin has been hurt too many times by Yann. This is what I want with the boys, where they really get down to their issues. But at the same time as heated as it gets between them, it just shows how much love and passion is still there. |
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 28, 2009 0:25:56 GMT -5
Even though I loved the super promising last spoilers , I'm still trying to cope with the idea of a whole month without Carsten  (why, oh Felix, you have to love theater?); surely we'll have the usual hot flashbacks to keep us hooked, and may be ( pure speculation) some Felix's scenes filmed before he left... Anyway, I hope during his Carsten-less long agony, Lenny tells his sister about his feelings for his (ex)best buddy (I'm soo looking forward to see his confession and Lucy's reaction: I think she's gonna love it... ;D) And I'll totally melt when Lenny finally tells Carsten he's in love with him... |
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Post by cheerios on Nov 28, 2009 1:17:31 GMT -5
Oh I see Lucy squealing and going on how she always knew there was something there and how perfect the boys would be together.
I really going to miss Carsten while he's away. But at least we don't have to watch Lenny in his pretend relationship with Emily while he's gone.
And knowing what the gang is going to do, it's hard to watch them in scenes. I wonder what will happen with them after all this.
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Post by fnord on Nov 28, 2009 13:10:24 GMT -5
Oh I see Lucy squealing and going on how she always knew there was something there and how perfect the boys would be together. I think she might do that, but I figure she's more likely to yell at him. She'll tell him off about how he could have had Carsten all along if only he had been open and accepting of his feelings before then. Sure, Lucy loves her brother, but he's been a real pain to her about this, and she'll want to make sure he knows it. I'm just waiting for her to to spring that "I like Carsten 1000 times better than Emily" line to Lenny. ;D |
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Post by cheerios on Nov 28, 2009 15:11:08 GMT -5
Oh I see Lucy squealing and going on how she always knew there was something there and how perfect the boys would be together. I think she might do that, but I figure she's more likely to yell at him. She'll tell him off about how he could have had Carsten all along if only he had been open and accepting of his feelings before then. Sure, Lucy loves her brother, but he's been a real pain to her about this, and she'll want to make sure he knows it. I'm just waiting for her to to spring that "I like Carsten 1000 times better than Emily" line to Lenny. ;D Oh I can see all of that, I think I might start laughing if she tells Lenny that she like Carsten a thousand times better than Emily. |
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Post by mycatfox on Nov 28, 2009 20:16:42 GMT -5
I really loved Lucy when she told Carsten that "I'd prefer you a thousand times over Emily". That's one of my favorite Cenny's cites. She likes Carsten as much as she dislikes Emily. If Lenny -hopefully- opens his heart to Lucy (most of the time, they have a good rapport) I think she could be a key factor in getting the guys together...
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 29, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to when Lenny comes out and he can talk about his problems with Lucy again. They used to have a good relationship and she was the only person he could talk too and I hate to see that he's really pushing her away right now.
I hope she'll set his head straight about treating Carsten like shit, but then comfort and help Lenny. I also see her have a role in getting them together, since she's also friends with Carsten...
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Post by cheerios on Nov 29, 2009 14:16:06 GMT -5
It seems that Carsten's only true friends right now are Lucy, Domonik, his girlfriend, and maybe Lucy's boyfriend Phillip.
I can see Lucy being annoyed/anger with Lenny with how he behaved towards Carsten. But I can also she her be forgiving because she almost lost Lenny and she loves her brother. That and even with how horrible Lenny acted, I can see Lucy wanting to Lenny to pair up with Carsten.
I don't know how Lenny and Domonik get along, but I would think that Domonik would be protective of Carsten. And not want Carsten to forgive Lenny because he knows how much hurt Lenny put Carsten through. I can see him telling Lenny to leave Carsten alone. That Lenny had his chance and he blew it.
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Post by lizkarita on Nov 29, 2009 14:30:07 GMT -5
I don't know how Lenny and Domonik get along, but I would think that Domonik would be protective of Carsten. And not want Carsten to forgive Lenny because he knows how much hurt Lenny put Carsten through. I can see him telling Lenny to leave Carsten alone. That Lenny had his chance and he blew it. Well, Dominik is a completely different issue. Lenny doesn't like him, because in the past, Lucy was in love with Dominik and he slept with her and after that he told her that he wanted to be just friends. So, that's a sensitive topic... But I agree, I also can see Dominik protecting Carsten. Or, maybe, telling Carsten to hear Lenny out, but as far as I've heard on the internet, Dominik had troubles with his girlfriend in the past and maybe he tells him that if he really loves him, he should give him a second chance. |
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. By the way, this show has made me regret deeply that I did not take German at school (instead of French, dah). Therefore a warm thank you to all of you who are involved in translating the spoilers, clips and interviews etc. Your work is much appreciated. 
(why, oh Felix, you have to love theater?); surely we'll have the usual hot flashbacks to keep us hooked, and may be (pure speculation) some Felix's scenes filmed before he left...