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Post by justinate on Sept 12, 2017 9:54:14 GMT -5
Sean O'Connor's reign of terror didn't come to an end soon enough. Aaron Sidwell's second stint as Steven Beale was a disaster ftom start to finish. Bad enough they chose to retcon his homosexuality to apparent heterosexuality (I suspect this was the actor's demand to reprise the role), but then killing him off? Disgraceful.
And unfortunately future spoilers are just as bad even with SOC gone. His replacement is off to a poor start by emulating the worst idea he had. They are leaving money on the table by not having Keanu be attracted to guys. The actor has quite a gay following thanks to phptospreads in the gay press so a gay role is low-hanging fruit.
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Post by buja on Sept 29, 2017 14:53:11 GMT -5
Earliest upload so far. Perhaps a longer version will be up later. Though again it's not very much. Perhaps 2 or 3 minutes all in all.
There is a cut right before their lips meet. We don't even get to see the kiss. It's the good doctor from Holby who had a love hate relationship Malik I think. The actor left right the show right after the character came out. This Luke character in EastEnders was in prison recently where he met Max Branning. Max is with Luke's sister Fi right now. They are part of Max's revenge story line. Luke's sister Fi will be leaving the show. That much has been announced. So likely this isn't more than a guest stint for Luke.
Keanu was in the pub with Ingrid. When she wanted to go for dinner he declined and left without further explanation. Donna hit on Keanu as well as Luke. Keanu didn't react. Yesterday he asked Ben for a job again. Ben said no again. Nothing but teasing then. Obviously the show revels in the speculation over sexuality.
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Post by hfolk on Sept 29, 2017 15:23:08 GMT -5
I could ship Ben & Luke, he needs an older daddy
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Post by justinate on Sept 29, 2017 18:40:38 GMT -5
Luke has been on the show before, as a child 30 years ago and then as a teen (different actors each time). So his character actually predates Ben's on the show. His father is the creep who raped Ben's mother Kathy (years before Ben was even born). I can't see this ending well since Luke almost definitely seduced Ben in order to manipulate/hurt him as revenge for Ben's mother sending Luke's dad to prison. I wouldn't be surprised if Luke isn't even gay but "prison-gay", i.e. a straight guy who was pressured into homosexual encounters while imprisoned.
Still, it's fun to watch. Ben really needs to get some action, and the Wilmott-Browns' revenge plot is the most thing remotely interesting on the show. (Although I find it ludicrous that three adult children and a former brother-in-law would abet Wilmott-Brown's revenge believing him to be an innocent man after he was convicted a second time for raping another woman after he served his sentence for Kathy's rape.)
Some are speculating that Jay is actually Wilmott-Brown's son, too. The timing works for Jay's mum to have been the second rape victim of Wilmott-Brown. If true, I wonder how Jay will react to having such a nefarious dad and being conceived under horrible circumstances. Not to mention, gaining three older half-siblings, with his biological brother in a relationship with his foster brother!
I hope they're not queer-baiting us with Keanu. But putting him in a relationship with newbie Ingrid is poorly conceived and all but guarantees no one will care about him. If he has to be straight, at least put him with an established character like Bex or Louise or even Donna. Or Michelle since she apparently changed her tastes to teenagers. Two newbies together will be fast-forward material.
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 24, 2017 16:06:47 GMT -5
Megs has been posting the random Ben clip every so often - here is the latest:
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Post by kevvoi on Oct 27, 2017 16:42:32 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Megs:
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Post by kevvoi on Nov 19, 2017 18:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Nov 24, 2017 23:05:38 GMT -5
Luke in tonight's EastEnders as he strangled Josh
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Post by kevvoi on Dec 1, 2017 18:01:00 GMT -5
New clip courtesy of Joshua-Wayne:
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Post by buja on Dec 10, 2017 4:47:10 GMT -5
I was just checking to see if there were new gay characters or stories. Instead I found this business. So much for the dreams of Ben getting a happy ending riding into the sunset with a new guy. I'm glad I've not been watching EE anymore.
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Post by hfolk on Dec 11, 2017 16:27:57 GMT -5
Is Danny Boy Hatchard (Lee Carter) gay in real life? looking at his social media and starting getting that vibe
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Post by justinate on Dec 14, 2017 10:27:43 GMT -5
Is Danny Boy Hatchard (Lee Carter) gay in real life? looking at his social media and starting getting that vibe I wondered this myself but as far as I know, he has only ever said publicly that he supports the LGBT community, not that he himself belongs to it. I'm really dismayed by the writing for Ben and Luke. Was it necessary to make Luke into a mini-me of his rapist father? We just finished with Steven Beale being straight-washed and reverting to his cruel behaviour before they unceremoniously killed him off (a crime for which his murderer looks set to go free). Two other bi characters (Sonia and Tina) are both currently with men. And to top it all off, Danny Walters who plays Keanu had this to say about the fans shipping his character Keanu with Ben: "Me and Harry are really good friends and it felt a bit like: 'Is this happening? Is this what's going to happen? We're going to have to get really close!'" It doesn't sound like he'd be comfortable playing a gay romance, supposedly because he and Harry Reid are mates. (I wasn't aware they were such good friends and, anyway, Harry has had to kiss his close friend Jamie Borthwick who plays Jay.) The whole 'good friends' excuse is a massive cop-out and especially disappointing coming from Danny who's been pushed by Gay Times as an ally. What kind of physical intimacy did he imagine a pre-watershed soap would demand between him and Harry? It's not QAF ... and even if it was, a true ally wouldn't balk at portraying the sexual part of a relationship with another man!
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Post by antistatic on Dec 19, 2017 7:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by hfolk on Dec 19, 2017 9:14:36 GMT -5
never should've brought him back if they didn't have a plan to use him properly
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Post by justinate on Dec 19, 2017 9:42:25 GMT -5
It looks like this show will soon have to be moved to "Gone but Not Forgotten" (unless the lesbians want it in their section, but I'm not sure they will because both the LGBT women are currently in/pursuing relationships with men). Johnny's exit removes the last gay/bi male on canvas. Ben is exiting soon, I can't see any longevity for Luke beyond the climax of the Wilmott-Brown story this Christmas, Derek has been confirmed to be off the show permanently, and Steven was murdered back in September. I fear John Yorke's tenure is going to be even worse for LGBT characters than Sean O'Connor (who was pretty awful).
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Post by dmagiclight on Dec 19, 2017 16:34:19 GMT -5
such A waste
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Post by buja on Dec 25, 2017 21:29:46 GMT -5
Read something about the Christmas episode. So I just watched the very end. Maybe they're dead. If that's how Yorke's team treats the children of legacy characters, long-standing characters themselves that doesn't bode well for Ben.
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Post by carld2 on Dec 28, 2017 2:09:43 GMT -5
It looks like this show will soon have to be moved to "Gone but Not Forgotten" (unless the lesbians want it in their section, but I'm not sure they will because both the LGBT women are currently in/pursuing relationships with men). Johnny's exit removes the last gay/bi male on canvas. Ben is exiting soon, I can't see any longevity for Luke beyond the climax of the Wilmott-Brown story this Christmas, Derek has been confirmed to be off the show permanently, and Steven was murdered back in September. I fear John Yorke's tenure is going to be even worse for LGBT characters than Sean O'Connor (who was pretty awful). The show has had anti-gay stories for years now (especially the way they treated Paul Coker), but getting rid of Ben (who should have been a future fixture) and making Luke into a laughable joke (those choking scenes...) who is then carted off in the back of a lorry (while Willmott-Brown's straight kids were given depth and sympathy) was pathetic beyond belief. The show truly seems to have no respect for lgbt viewers or characters.
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Post by hfolk on Dec 28, 2017 10:09:51 GMT -5
It looks like this show will soon have to be moved to "Gone but Not Forgotten" (unless the lesbians want it in their section, but I'm not sure they will because both the LGBT women are currently in/pursuing relationships with men). Johnny's exit removes the last gay/bi male on canvas. Ben is exiting soon, I can't see any longevity for Luke beyond the climax of the Wilmott-Brown story this Christmas, Derek has been confirmed to be off the show permanently, and Steven was murdered back in September. I fear John Yorke's tenure is going to be even worse for LGBT characters than Sean O'Connor (who was pretty awful). The show has had anti-gay stories for years now (especially the way they treated Paul Coker), but getting rid of Ben (who should have been a future fixture) and making Luke into a laughable joke (those choking scenes...) who is then carted off in the back of a lorry (while Willmott-Brown's straight kids were given depth and sympathy) was pathetic beyond belief. The show truly seems to have no respect for lgbt viewers or characters. not to mention the 180 the show did w/ Steven Beale who left the show gay and returned as straight w/ only one flirting scene w/ Johnny
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Post by justinate on Jan 11, 2018 9:08:34 GMT -5
So it turns out Ben was the one who stole the money from Aiden's gang, and now Mel is on to him. He also stupidly gifted his mother a diamond necklace which might catch the attention of one of the gang. The scene he shared with Kathy felt uncomfortably like a permanent goodbye, like he was going to die without ever seeing her again. I really hope that is not where this leading. Can't he just go on the run, and leave the door open for a return down the road?
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Post by justinate on Jan 12, 2018 23:09:27 GMT -5
Ben's exit scene: he makes it to Calais, having lost most of the money except for a stack he'd kept in his coat. On the ferry from Dover, he was warned by Mel Owen to give up the money to avoid the Maguires coming after him but he refused; it's implied that Mel somehow managed to swap out the money in his suitcase for a stack of newspapers. The ending is ominous because we see Ciara Maguire has followed him to Calais and she sees him with the remaining money - so does he get killed offscreen?
He also threw away his phone so evidently he will not be in contact with his family or friends. Ben seemed happy but I thought it was a sad ending really. At least when Aaron Livesy ran away to France he had a boyfriend with him.
Anyway, it's time to move this show to Gone but Not Forgotten - that is the saddest part of all!
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 13, 2018 0:57:57 GMT -5
It would be something if Johnny also went to France.
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Post by buja on Jan 14, 2018 5:01:14 GMT -5
Ah, commit a crime and take a ferry exit. Ever so original. Yes, this story was really worth kicking SoC out and bringing Yorke in.
Why move it? Derek has left. Is Johnny gone as well? Oh wow! He is. Wow, what a load of shit. Has the BBC dropped all diversity guidelines? Unbelievable. Eastenders back at 0 gay characters again in 2018.
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Post by mrfixit477 on Jan 15, 2018 8:19:25 GMT -5
maybe they will add some new gay blood to the show
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Post by justinate on Jan 15, 2018 11:23:27 GMT -5
maybe they will add some new gay blood to the show I wouldn't hold my breath. So far they've announced a number of returns/casting but the only confirmed male is definitely straight. And of course we need two to tango so even if he turns out to be bi, who would he date besides exclusively women? Don't get me wrong, SOC really had to go but this new regime is not turning out to be an improvement.
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