Spoiler Discussion - Goede Tijden Slechte Tijden

[Hawthorne]

Jun 5, 2013 17:56:58 GMT -5 GTSTfanMark said:

It looks like the spoilers are mixed up. Tomorrow Menno ends the relationship because they're too different. That sounds a lot like the June 10 episode.

Anyway, also on tomorrow's episode:



Really nice Lucas/Noud scenes. It says a lot that Noud confided in Lucas about kissing Wiet.

Ooo, I can't wait to see those Lucas-Noud scenes!

[LadyArmand]

How does Lucsa take Menno's "sudden" discovery?

[GTSTfanMark]

Jun 5, 2013 19:47:37 GMT -5 LadyArmand said:

How does Lucsa take Menno's "sudden" discovery?

Lucas seems shocked. But Menno walks away so he doesn't have time to react to it. Menno came to this discovery after he resigns from the investigation. Another police detective is going to do the investigation now (he will have to question everyone again). Menno says this is the first time he wasn't able to end an investigation successfully.


About the cliffhanger. It really looks like the parachute thing might happen. And we know Menno is afraid of heights. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Hawthorne]

If Menno has resigned from the investigation, I wonder what keeps him in Meerdijk. Something must happen fairly soon, perhaps to Lucas. Aysen won't want Lucas to repeat his testimony to the new investigator. Maybe Menno will be the one to rescue Lucas if his parachute doesn't work.

I'm hoping that having disappointed Menno causes Lucas to have more backbone when dealing with Aysen.

[GTSTfanMark]

I just added the June 18 and 19 spoilers, including these for June 19:

Menno is fishing for original ideas to win over Lucas.


Interesting. I was thinking about that 'warm surprise' spoiler for next week. What if the warm surprise is out and proud Bilal? That could be a wake-up call for Menno and it would also explain why he has to win over Lucas. I'm glad Menno changes his mind and wants to get back together with Lucas. That break-up is probably more about his frustration over not being able to end the investigation successfully. 

In the spoilers it also says Aysen is allowed to get back to work but that a colleague is working against her. Maybe that colleague is Menno... I don't think this means Aysen is off the hook yet. The Danny thing is still hanging over her head and she also just stole Bing's frozen sperm from the hospital. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if there's going to be a 'whodunnit' with Aysen as the victim. She has pissed off enough people.

[lureme19]

I hope its Bilal - Menno needs a little push! It will be nice to see Menno going after Lucas instead of the other way round.

[LadyArmand]

What I like the most about all of this is that Menno has to win Lucas over. For the first when it comes to Lucas someone has to win him back. I love it. It looks like Lucas is going to push Menno away for a little bit, or at least play hard to get. Perhaps this is because Bilial comes back into the picture, or maybe Lucas is just tired of having to convince the men he cares about to care about him too. Either way, Menno looking for original ways to win Lucas over is nothing but a good thing in my book.

As for Aysen it could be a whodonit, soaps love that kind of thing. She has stepped on a lot of toes, her ending up dead wouldn't surprise me. Maybe it's her shute that doesn't open.

[ari]

Jun 7, 2013 0:39:18 GMT -5 GTSTfanMark said:

I just added the June 18 and 19 spoilers, including these for June 19:

Menno is fishing for original ideas to win over Lucas.


Interesting. I was thinking about that 'warm surprise' spoiler for next week. What if the warm surprise is out and proud Bilal? That could be a wake-up call for Menno and it would also explain why he has to win over Lucas. I'm glad Menno changes his mind and wants to get back together with Lucas. That break-up is probably more about his frustration over not being able to end the investigation successfully. 

In the spoilers it also says Aysen is allowed to get back to work but that a colleague is working against her. Maybe that colleague is Menno... I don't think this means Aysen is off the hook yet. The Danny thing is still hanging over her head and she also just stole Bing's frozen sperm from the hospital. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if there's going to be a 'whodunnit' with Aysen as the victim. She has pissed off enough people.

Mark, I thought the same thing after reading the spoiler, and immediately went to
Sinan's Twitter page to hopefully find a clue. I remember when he tweeted last
October about not being able to say much about "Bilal" but that "Bilal" at least
wasn't dead. So, I've been hoping he'd return. They would make an interesting triangle,
to say the least.

[lureme19]

I'm curious as to what changes for Menno between June 10th and June 19th spoilers?

[GTSTfanMark]

So... the warm surprise isn't Bilal. It's just Menno. He wants to try it again with Lucas, but Lucas wants someone who wants to be with him for the full 100%. A lot of people have wanted a story where the guy has to fight for Lucas and it looks like this is what's going to happen. I think it's good, because it makes their relationship more balanced.

The spoiler about Aysen not being able to get along with a colleague... It looks like that colleague is definitely Menno. Tomorrow he's looking at an internal email of the police about a job vacancy: police detective in Meerdijk.

[LadyArmand]

I'm glad it's Menno (even though an out and proud Bilial would have been interesting, espeically because Lucas connects so much of that relationship to the dream he had of Edwin telling him it was alright for him to move on and that Bilial could be a great love), I like that Lucas doesn't fall back into his arms as if nothing happened. That he wants someone who takes him for all of who he is and doesn't pick the pieces of Lucas he likes and puts up with the rest of who Lucas is (for those were were saying how immature Lucas has been acting, this to me sounds very mature). Lucas knows himself, he loves himself the way he is and he expects anyone who gets with him to love him just the way he is. Good for him. That Menno now has to work to get Lucas back is a good thing, because it shows, one that he understands what he's missing, two that he thinks Lucas is worth fighting for and three that he was a fool to ever have let Lucas go in the first place.

[spherical07]

I'm glad to see someone fighting for Lucas for a change. I think Lucas needs someone to fight for him too, especially after what happened with Bilal. Lucas is worthy of being loved 100%, as he desires, and Menno is just the man for the job. I really see Menno and Lucas working out for the long haul if they are both willing to put the work into the relationship. When Lucas and Edwin first started, it was that puppy love stage for a long time, and by the time they really started to hit a more serious tone, Edwin died. Yes, they went through a lot, but Lucas's relationship with Menno is being set up to be a more mature one that will require effort on both sides.

[dalphine]

I'm also glad Menno is back, and will fight for Lucas. I'm finally glad the writers kind of hear the fans, that finally someone will fight for Lucas.

[anthonyl]

I doubt if he has to fight very hard. Lucas isn't one to play hard to get.

[ari]

After watching today's ep (thanks Mark!!!) I immediately went
to the assumption that he'd sky jump during the wedding or whatever,
to prove that he'll do anything to get Lucas (he's afraid of heights)
and that he needs him. I then got afraid he'd get hurt, but he probably
won't because someone will have to investigate whatever else is going
on. And if he sky jumps, Lucas probably won't, which will keep him safe,
hopefully.

I loved what Lucas said about wanting someone to be with him 100% instead
of "trying something". That was very mature and insightful of him...and Menno
was so cute once he understood it. They will make quite the couple, when
they become "Lunno Ready".

[amthyste]

So just saw the shortie for the 24th. And omg, Menno. My eyes popped out when I saw him, it was priceless. No idea what was said since I can't speak dutch, but omg, sooo want to see this. That mustache was just so visible. What on earth is he up to.

[GTSTfanMark]

Lucas: "That's the worst act I've ever seen. But you do have guts."

[talula]

OMG! Menno in this outfit ..... .....this is hilarious!

thanks Mark

[GTSTfanMark]

The dancing is so awkward... I love it. (Great job by Dave!)

[dalphine]

Can't wait for Monday to see this esp. Thanks Mark.

[GTSTfanMark]

I have a theory about the cliffhanger and the new season.

This week there was suddenly a scene where Rik defended Mike in front of Nina and Ludo. Afterwards they agreed to have lunch together soon. It wouldn't surprise me if Rik invites Mike for the parachute jump. I think it's pretty clear something is going to happen during that parachute jump. I think Aysen wants to sabotage Bing's parachute, but then for some reason his parachute is swapped with Mike's.

It's a soap so this doesn't have to mean Mike dies (I don't think he's leaving). But anyway, Aysen doesn't have a motive to hurt Mike so this is why she won't be a suspect at first. This would also explain why she will be part of the cast photo (Last year Jack left two months into the new season but he was still part of the cast photo). Mike is the victim so it probably means Nina and/or Ludo will be suspects (earlier that week is the custody case for Nola). I could see Menno doing the investigation. This could create drama between Menno and Lucas. Only after a while they find out the parachutes were swapped and then the truth about Aysen comes out. And then she goes to jail! Hopefully.

[daleeryohm]

Wow, Dave looks really hot in this leather daddy get-up. Masculine and sexy. Can't wait for the episode.

And nice theory Mark. We'd thought Menno taking the role of police chief and the Sanders' often getting on the wrong side of the law would be a great source of drama for Luno's relationship, so it should make for a good next season. I hope we get the more normal issues as well between them too. Like, Menno's an older independent man who may have never had a serious relationship, and once they settle his living situation (possibly a home set of his own?), I'd love to see him ask Lucas to live with him. It'd be interesting to explore. There's also Stefano and potentially Bilal as well that's make for good stories. I hope we get it all.

[GTSTfanMark]

Cliffhanger photo. It's hard to see, but I think it's Wiet, Nuran and Mike that we see (from left to right).



On GTST.nl there's an article about how to write a good cliffhanger episode. They wrote that romance can also be an important part of a good cliffhanger episode. I wonder if that's what we'll get with Lucas and Menno (since we do know Menno will be in this episode).


From RTL/Endemol:
An important day is getting close: Rik and Nuran are getting married. To celebrate this 'big jump' Maxime organizes a bachelor party. With a big group of friends they're going to make a parachute jump. They're busy with training and preparations, but the atmosphere in the group is getting more and more grim because of the different conflicts.

Rikki and Wiet are excited because they're going to make their first solo jump, but Wiet is also frustrated over the fact that Noud has once again chosen Nina over her. She feels used by Noud and hates Nina from the bottom of her heart. Nina is busy with her own problems regarding Noud, Mike and Wiet. Nina is furious at Noud because he betrayed her in court during the custody case of Nola and because he cheated on her with Wiet. She's also terrified that her worst nightmare might come true: Mike taking her daughter Nola away from her. This is why her aunt Maxime is watching Nina closely in the plane, because she fears it will be 'war' between Noud, Nina, Mike and Wiet.

Mike, personally invited by Rik, should ask himself if it's a good idea to get on a plane with the cunning Lorena, seeing as he has been getting in the way of her business. Lorena has found out that Mike took De Rozenboom from her and she's obviously not going to just accept that.

Things aren't going great between Rik and Nuran either, even though all the festivities revolve around them. Rik keeps trying to reunite his future wife and her sister Aysen. He's determined to resolve this, despite not knowing what the reason is for their separation. But then Aysen invites herself for the jump and by doing that she puts everything in perspective.

Bing is also on the list of people who's going to make a jump, even though he has other things on his mind. In a fit of rage he hurt the mother of his unborn child, because Aysen has been making trouble in their relationship.

What should be a fun day will slowly change in a nightmare when the group of friends, each of them with personal conflicts, are heading for a disastrous accident...

[daleeryohm]

Very soapy with the skydiving, but what a clever cliffhanger they've got going whodunnit style. Just about everyone's got some sort of motive, and then like you speculated Mark, there's always the possibility of twists and further convolution with a parachute mix-up. I hope they give us some Lucas and Menno goodness and then their own little tantalizing cliffhanger to leave us on.

[GTSTfanMark]

Promo:



Voice over: The last episodes...
Nina: Maybe it's better if you don't participate tomorrow.
Wiet: So you used me?
Noud: Yeah, well... if that's what you want to call it...
Lorena: Who says you won?
Voice over: The tension rises to an incredible height in the last weeks of this season. Goede Tijden Slechte Tijden, every weekday at 8PM, of course on RTL4.